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BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Steve Shaw 05 Oct 21 - 09:31 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Oct 21 - 09:31 AM

She's great, isn't she.

Here's a bit of a speech from someone who I regard as far from great:

Freedom to protest is a fundamental right our party will forever fight to uphold.

But it must be within the law.

Measures already going through parliament will ensure these criminals can be brought to justice for the disruption they are causing.

But we are going further to close down the legal loopholes exploited by these offenders.

So today I can announce I will also increase the maximum penalties for disrupting a motorway; criminalise interference with key infrastructure such as roads, railways and our free press; and give the police and courts new powers to deal with the small minority of offenders intent on travelling around the country, causing disruption and misery across our communities.


So Priti is calling people "criminals" and "offenders" who haven't been convicted of a crime. She agrees that we all have a right to protest, but is bringing in new laws to make sure that we can't. Isn't she just lovely. Oh, and there's renewed talk of turning small boats back that are halfway across the Channel, just as the stormy season serifs in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Oct 21 - 08:59 AM

I have admitted before that, when she is on form, I like Marina Hyde's articles. This one had me laughing out loud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Oct 21 - 04:12 AM

"Prime Minister - STOP...TALKING!"

Nice one, Nick Robinson (of whom I'm no fan as it happens)! That one will definitely go down in the annals!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 04 Oct 21 - 02:55 PM

Binzo, you are confusing Angela Raynor with thatcher. Why do you have a problem with scum being called what the are?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Oct 21 - 07:51 AM

More from the scum


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 12:50 PM

Absolutely


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 12:33 PM

...Sez the man who idolises Thatcher. Oh, the irony!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 12:15 PM

Angela Rayner is nothing but a loud mouthed cow, an evil woman if ever there was one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 10:18 AM

I said a bit back that PR was only chance Labour had to gain power and this Guardian opinion sums it up far better than I could.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Oct 21 - 02:47 PM

And, after that, and all the other stuff he's said about flag-waving piccaninnies with watermelon smiles, Muslim women looking like letterboxes or bank robbers, gay men as bumboys in tank tops, we have confected outrage over Angela Rayner calling him scum. It might not have been her best tactical move, but begod it was accurate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Oct 21 - 09:01 AM

I was talking about a disregard for people on another thread. BoJo has shown his true colours yet again

From this interview

I’ve given you the most important metric – never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes – look at wage growth

Once again the Tory leader shows that he believes money is more important than people. How some otherwise caring people can continue to support him is beyond me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 05:28 PM

From Priti Patel on Twitter:

"Every woman should feel safe to walk on our streets without fear of harassment or violence."

But it's OK if they don't feel safe on a dinghy when they're threatened with being turned back halfway across the Channel...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 04:08 PM

Here's a great comment from a Guardian reader in response to an article about Starmer and the conference. I agree with every word:

The right of the Party which had their knives out for Corbyn from the getgo, despite him leading a broad church party reflected in his cabinet which Starmer cannot bring himself to do. The right of the Party, many of whom were pursuing and openly campaigning for a Tory victory in the extremely close fought 2017 election. Now the same right of the Party calls desperately for “unity” as it finds that its “kick the left” platform has even less appeal across the country as a whole than the bold centre-left Labour manifesto offered in 2017. Corbyn was no leader, but he was a principled left winger who tried hard to get people to vote for a transformative left wing programme, and in 2017 came very, very close to succeeding. I’ve no idea what Starmer is and neither does the country it seems.

That is spot on. The contributor could have enlarged on what he or she said by pointing to all those "centrists" who petulantly refused to serve in Jeremy's shadow cabinet, and to all those scumbags who crawled out of the woodwork to confect a fake antisemitism campaign against him. They all clearly thought that it was worth condemning him to an election defeat in order to get him out. It must have really annoyed them that it took two goes. I note that there's a warm welcome back into the party for the utterly obnoxious Louise Ellman, allegedly "forced out of the party"...Like bollix she was. As they say, grr...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 11:39 AM

Starmer was talking to the party within the conference bubble, very little to the country. All hope will be erased by the end of next week, by which time the Boris hubris will have been fully restored.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 10:38 AM

Keir Starmer's dad was a toolmaker.

In a way, so was Boris Johnson's...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 03:50 PM

be fine


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 01:32 PM

Under him, they are. But never underestimate the left. We never go away. I've already noticed "calls for unity." That means "go away, inconvenient lefties." It would all fine (relatively) if he was any use. But he isn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 01:25 PM

My wife's school academy has removed the school Union Rep's entitlement
to use working hours for Union business.
At the same time as using any petty flimsy reasons
to pressurise older higher paid teachers
into taking 'early retirement'.

What was once supposed to be a caring workplace is now a toxic environment.

All the union can do is acquiesce to this ruthless regime
and advise the 'victims'
on their least painful method of exit..

"Best not complain or resist, if you want a good reference"...

==========

Btw.. sir keer's ambition to be PM at any cost..

Are Labour now effectively the liberals or tory wets...????


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 12:52 PM

Well, Raindog, trade unions are generally organised on democratic principles. True, turnout in union elections is low and that reflects lack of interest in union matters from members. Since Thatcher emasculated the unions, with Blair following behind enthusiastically, unions are generally perceived to be impotent. Year after year of governments ignoring pay review bodies and imposing pay freezes has gone virtually unchallenged by anything other than words. Big and small companies can cheerfully refuse to recognise trade unions. Blame the unions for failing to update themselves by all means, and I might in part agree with you, but this unhealthy situation has led to horrors such as zero-hours contracts, no job security, full-time working couples unable to afford the rent, burgeoning food banks and the rest, all led by right-wing union-bashing ideology. Strong unions are a sign of a healthy nation. And we're not all Red Robbos. I've been a trade unionist all my life (still am, at 70) and I've seen how tough it is to resist the ruthless forces of that ideology. Working class people need strong trade unions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 11:28 AM

Yes, I've subscribed to that view for a long time. Are you starting to agree with it? Or do you just think that it's a false correllation?
Well, I am not *starting* to subscribe to it, because it is a concern I have had for a long time. I would much prefer if on everything except the most minor matters the unions balloted their members and split the block vote in line with the ballot result. It is one of the problems with the way the party is organised. That is not how it is set up, however, and I am aware it would be difficult because the exact question to ballot on is not known until conference. So it would probably need a two-stage voting system, which is cumbersome.

All party organisations have problems. Do you want me to list some of those of other parties too?

But you also need to distinguish between principles and structure, and for all the flaws in the structure, the principles of the more centrist Labour party match mine more closely than other parties. Not 100%, of course, and other parties have positions on some topics I might prefer. I have been pro PR since before I joined Charter '88 when it was first formed, for example.

(And when I say 'more central' I am aware that judged by European standards Corbyn was far more centrist than the Tory press would have us believe.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 11:06 AM

They probably have little to no idea of how their members want them to vote.

Look at Unite, members aporox 1.2 million

McCluskey last elected in 2017 with 59,067 votes.

Graham elected in August with 46,696 votes.

In both those elections only approx 12% of the members voted. 12%. Makes the turn out at local elections look fantastic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 10:59 AM

Who are these barons?

They are those in control of the unions (and I don't mean their members) who control how the unions' votes are cast.

To quote Laura Parker from Labour for a New Democracy:

“Rank-and-file trade unionists play a key role in our campaign, but despite this most unions do not yet back reform. The truth is, if the leadership had engaged with this unifying policy as intensively as they pushed their own proposed rule changes, PR would now be Labour policy.”

Above quote from The Guardian


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 10:34 AM

Who are these barons?

And let me remind you of a couple of things. First, the Labour Party grew out of the trade Union movement. I for one want to see that strong link retained. Second, on the question of block votes, show me that the "barons" vote against the wishes of their members. I don't think you can. It's little more than received wisdom perpetuated by the right (as is "unions holding the country to ransom"). Third, crucial votes in the Commons are usually decided by block voting. We call it whipping.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 09:34 AM

DMcG:
"After an inconclusive show of hands in the conference hall in Brighton, a card vote showed just under 80% of CLP votes backing the motion. But the votes from affiliates – almost entirely comprising unions – were 95% opposed. The eventual result was nearly 58% against."

Presumably the union block votes count for more because they are supposed to be representative of their thousands of members.

Brilliant. So a comparative handful of people cast block votes to override the 80% CLP. No wonder one of the charges against Labour has always been that it is under the control of "Union barons."

Yes, I've subscribed to that view for a long time. Are you starting to agree with it? Or do you just think that it's a false correllation?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 05:29 PM

errrmmm.. why have I started calling sir keer "sir keef"...!!!???

It's not a clever dick in-joke..
f@ck knows what's been miscomunicatibg
between my brain and typng fingers..

Though, it is that easy not to remember anything at all about this bland besuited corporate clone...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 03:51 PM

I should have said the motion was to change from first past the post in elections.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 03:49 PM

"After an inconclusive show of hands in the conference hall in Brighton, a card vote showed just under 80% of CLP votes backing the motion. But the votes from affiliates – almost entirely comprising unions – were 95% opposed. The eventual result was nearly 58% against."

Brilliant. So a comparative handful of people cast block votes to override the 80% CLP. No wonder one of the charges against Labour has always been that it is under the control of "Union barons."

Getting rid of the Tories has just been made far far harder, essentially because the unions thought they would lose influence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 09:16 AM

Quote from Philip Pullman's 'Book of Dust' volume 2 - The secret commonwealth.

It's the oldest human problem, Lyra, an' it's the difference between good and evil. Evil can be unscrupulous, and good can't. Evil has nothing to stop it doing what it wants, while good has one hand tied behind its back. To do the things it needs to do to win, it'd have to become evil to do 'em.

It's a fantasy book but I read the quote last night after watching 'highlights' of the Labour party conference. I wonder if Mr Pullman had the gift of prophecy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 04:16 AM

My son who works in Manchester just pointed out something I had not thought of. There is a shortage of bus drivers too! Being retired and not having to commute anywhere, it doesn't affect me. But how many people is that going to hit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 12:01 AM

Sir Keef - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyFt5gZ-3hQ&ab_channel=NovaraMedia


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 03:59 PM

Oh, 1900!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 03:58 PM

I think it's even worse, PFR :-(

I can't see Labour, as it stands at the moment, ever getting to power. On the other hand, the current Tory administration cannot continue its run of lies, cheating and mismanagement. Surely people will realise eventually. Won't they?

I think the best result we can hope for at the next election is a hung parliament with minority parties joining forces to force a radical restructure of our electoral system. Maybe PR? Something else? I just don't know but, whatever it is, could result in neither of the main parties having an overall majority again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 03:50 PM

Cheers, Dave. I'm on the brink. Watching this conference anxiously...

I note the early interference of the Board of Deputies...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 03:40 PM

I went out at 9am today for petrol, saw that roads were gridlocked so turned around - much to the annoyance of a car full of yobs, and came home. Bag is packed for bus & tram to work in the morning, and probably for the rest of this week.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 03:38 PM

I'm being over optimistic hoping for a real progressive Labour Govt before I'm 70..

Better revise that to at least 75...


[l'm 62]


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 03:23 PM

My lovely daughter in law, Lee, is being threatened with expulsion from the Labour Party. Her 'crime'? Antisemitism for criticising Israel. Even though she is 100% Jewish. The real reason? Being too left wing. Last month she stood in at the last minute to be a candidate in a local election. The local party threw everything in her way but despite that, she beat their preferred Tory light candidate by a few votes and was nominated. She lost the election by a handful of votes and it went to 2 recounts. After the event she was told that the local party executive Committee abstained from voting rather than support her. The Tory contender won and that was purely down to the pettiness of the local party executive. She showed willing to stand as Labour candidate in other wards as the need arose. They couldn't have that of course.

I had already resigned from the party. It was a hard decision and I have been soul searching ever since. This debacle has confirmed that my decision was the right one. I will continue to do what I can to pull the politics of this country back from the right wing extremes it has reached. I will do this in spite of the current shower pretending to be the party of the people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 12:47 PM

I've no interest in football or popular celebrities

but I just caught the BBC TV news 30 minute version of this quite interesting podcast..

Gary Lineker: presenter, influencer, campaigner

It seems the radio version is an hour long...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 11:59 AM

DMcG, did your daughter manage to get her flowers sorted ok?

She got some flowers, but neither the quantity nor intended style.   It ended up as essentially a bouquet and some round an arch in a garden which the groom's dad built, plus some small table decorations she made herself.

As I said, it was a somewhat fraught affair as we did not know who would be able to make it. Bride and groom were supposed to be an a formal interview at 11:30, prior to the noon service, but we were all gathered round at about twenty to, hearing text messages "SatNav is estimating I will be there about ten past twelve" and so on. Just on noon he came running up to the hall. His parents did not arrive until about ten past, but we had to start late because of the legally required interview of the bride and groom.   Both delays there were because a section of the motorway was blocked after an accident.

Apart form a slight need to dodge the next set of people arriving, it went quite smoothly after that.

Until we found the venue in the evening had double booked an 18th birthday event at the same time. Different areas, but next to each other and we had to walk through theirs to get to the bar. Not neat.

But at the 5th attempt, thanks to covid, we got there in the end!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 10:20 AM

bum bum bum bum.. arsehole blue...


.. quite fitting catchy ditty for a tory PM and his handling of a fuel crisis...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 09:34 AM

We went to Morrisons just now, tank half full. To our amazement, the forecourt was almost empty. We drove straight in and topped up. We'd gone to buy grub, not petrol, but why not we thought...

On our way into town we drove past the Esso garage, much dearer than Morrisons. They were queuing a hundred yards down the road. You couldn't make it up...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 07:36 AM

DMcG, did your daughter manage to get her flowers sorted ok?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 06:45 AM

And if anyone still reserves a scintilla of doubt about Starmer's rank inadequacy, he's proving it in spades this week: even the Guardian/Observer is referring to his conference chaos. It's clear that Angela Rayner and he don't get on. I know which one of 'em I prefer. At least calling scum scum is honest and accurate in this case. Cue being told that I don't understand tactics, etc. Well the best tactic Labour could employ would be to get rid of Sir Keir as soon as possible. He will never, ever, reside in Number Ten. And I'm a desperate party member, still clinging on...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 06:37 AM

"public transport is state owned in rep of ireland"

Not strictly true, not all of public transport in Ireland (note spelling) is state owned.

Citylink, owned by ComfortDelGro a Singaporean company, operates buses from Dublin, Galway, Cork and Clifden, there is also the Wexford Bus company.

There may be others supplies of public transport


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 06:23 AM

I agree with that.

If I want to go to Exeter I can catch a bus (a two-hour journey there and a two-hour journey back, approx four buses a day) I have to get into Bude, about four miles away. Taxi, ten or twelve quid? Back in Bude I have to get the four miles home, and I live down a lane 3/4 mile from where the extremely rare and badly-timed local bus would drop me off. Or get a taxi for ten or twelve quid... On the other hand, I can be in the multi-storey at the Guildhall in a hour and five minutes if I jump in the car and be sitting on a bench in the sun eating my Marks and Sparks Best Ever prawn butty ten minutes later.

What would YOU do?   And the answer is NOT buy a BLT instead!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 05:18 AM

I live in an isolated are in ireland i have a bus that goes in to bantry twice a week there is also a bus that comes by every morning at 8 15, my public transport travel is free so i can get on a bus at 8 15 then catch a 10 am bus to Cork, i can get back to bantry, but then have to get a txi cost 20 euros.
the answer is increasing public transport make it free, both bus and train to pensioners, but people have to use it. public transport is state owned in rep of ireland


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 05:00 AM

I did say gas (not petrol) in one post, Nigel! And I tend to think that we are all divided by Donuel's indulgent and obscurantist language...

Electric cars are not the panacea to save the world. You have to make the bloody things, you have to generate the electricity, you have to mine rare metals for the batteries in environmentally-destructive ways and they don't go far enough on a charge, etc. But I still might get one once my owld Focus snuffs it. Public transport, great. But here in Pastyshire it's almost non-existent in any useful form, and, thanks to Beeching, the biggest political vandal who ever bestrode the country, the nearest railway to me is at Bodmin Parkway, an hour's drive. You can't ban cars round here unless you want to depopulate Cornwall! Solutions, please...?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 04:46 AM

Stilly & Steve

A problem here with two countries divided by a common language.

Gas (US) petroleum (or any gaseous fluid)
Gas (UK) flammable gaseous fuel (or any other gaseous fluid)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 04:10 AM

.. and motorways only permitting utilitarian electric commercial vans & lorries,
and public transport coaches...

Yep, I can definitely do extreme lefty 'popular vote losing' idealism
quiely in my own head...

Won't see me out ranting in the streets driving the mass population further towards the far right...!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Sep 21 - 03:45 AM

I agree with you on that one, PFR. Once we have the situation where you can walk out if your front door and within 5 minutes get good, fast public transport to within 5 minutes of where you are going, we can get rid of private transport for all but those who really need it. It could be done with a mixture of small vehicles, preferably electric, going from door to hub. The hubs would be train and bus stations for longer trips. No delays on the roads with no nutters in Chelsea tractors causing havoc. Less pollution all round. What's not to like?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Sep 21 - 11:13 PM

.. it's a funny old world.. gotta laff...!!!

.. and good serious lefties should not have to be cowed into silence
if they see deficiencies in the thinking and actions of activists on our own side...

I see too much conformist lefty peer pressure to refrain from saying anything critical
about counter productive disruptive protests by our 'heroic comrades',
or 'hippy green liberal' allies...

As strange as it may sound..
Lefty keyboard warriors may actually be ultimately more effective
than alienating mobs of street demonstrators...!!!

["Pen is mightier than the sword" 2021 remix...]

Btw.. I would like to see a proper progressive Labour party govt in power sometime before I'm 70...

sir keef is doing eff all useful to win back working class ex Labour voters
from the clutches of the alt right...

While barmy extreme* lefties are driving even more ordinary folks away to the even barmier right...


[* bearing in mind I might be even more extreme lefty than a lot of 'em..
I'm good at keeping strategically quiet when necessary..
If I had my way there'd be swingeing reductions in private car ownership..
.. oops.. I said it.. duh..]...


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