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BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Bonzo3legs 09 Oct 21 - 05:00 PM
punkfolkrocker 09 Oct 21 - 12:09 PM
Dave the Gnome 09 Oct 21 - 12:03 PM
punkfolkrocker 09 Oct 21 - 08:28 AM
DMcG 09 Oct 21 - 07:53 AM
DMcG 09 Oct 21 - 07:47 AM
Backwoodsman 09 Oct 21 - 06:58 AM
Steve Shaw 09 Oct 21 - 06:42 AM
Rain Dog 09 Oct 21 - 06:24 AM
Nigel Parsons 09 Oct 21 - 06:02 AM
Steve Shaw 09 Oct 21 - 05:46 AM
Backwoodsman 09 Oct 21 - 05:45 AM
Rain Dog 09 Oct 21 - 05:05 AM
Dave the Gnome 09 Oct 21 - 04:32 AM
Senoufou 09 Oct 21 - 04:17 AM
Dave the Gnome 09 Oct 21 - 03:35 AM
Raggytash 08 Oct 21 - 01:42 PM
punkfolkrocker 08 Oct 21 - 10:16 AM
Backwoodsman 08 Oct 21 - 07:26 AM
Steve Shaw 08 Oct 21 - 06:40 AM
Backwoodsman 08 Oct 21 - 03:42 AM
DMcG 08 Oct 21 - 03:28 AM
Backwoodsman 08 Oct 21 - 03:20 AM
The Sandman 08 Oct 21 - 03:03 AM
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Rain Dog 07 Oct 21 - 12:01 PM
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DMcG 07 Oct 21 - 07:01 AM
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DMcG 07 Oct 21 - 04:06 AM
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punkfolkrocker 07 Oct 21 - 12:21 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 05:00 PM

Ist episode of Ridley Road was very good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 12:09 PM

I grew up in the 1970s taking it as a fact of life that succesful business men
dropped dead in their 50s..

Why they aspired to take early retirement in their 40s...

Well at least that was the impression I got from the News of that era......


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 12:03 PM

I suppose it is a better metric if you want to be measured on wealth rather than health. In other words if you think that wages are more important than lives.

Give it a rest, Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 08:28 AM

Not got round to watching Ridley Road yet.. So no spoilers please..

I'd be a good Jewish spy infilrating British fascists..
I've got blue eyes and a foreskin...!!!

There's bound to be closet gay pretend homophobe fascists keen to check out new knobs in the urinals.

Seriously, I secretly followed a thread on a well known white power forum,
where they hotly debated if they would allow and trust quarter Jew Mischlings [like me] to join the cause...

Short answer - No...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 07:53 AM

In fact, let's try a thought experiment. We will offer you a thousand a year more, but the more you take, the earlier we shoot you. do you take the money? I don't. which suggests wages are not more important than life expectancy for me.
Your view may differ.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 07:47 AM

My quesruin would be in what sense is that a better metric? A different one, certainly, but to assert us is better is to say the others are inferior, which is certainly open to challenge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 06:58 AM

Well he doesn’t have to persuade the likes of Nigel does he? They would accept any lie Johnson spun, and those are legion, without question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 06:42 AM

So how did he think that would be interpreted, Nigel, with those brushing-aside "never minds?" Not clever, that, was it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 06:24 AM

With regard to farming and farm workers wages, we should remember that as customers we have some of the lowest food prices in the world. This is driven by the supermarkets who, in order to attract us the customers, are continually forcing the food producers to cut costs.


Which report on food prices from 2019


"Globally, after Singapore and the US, the UK spends the lowest proportion of household income on food shopping, lower than our European neighbours Germany, France and Spain.

We’ve compared how much popular foods cost in 1988 with the equivalent cost in today’s money, accounting for inflation, and the actual cost in June 2019. All foods we investigated are cheaper to buy now, apart from white fish."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 06:02 AM

Dave the Gnome:
Didn't your illustrious leader just say that high wages were more important than people's lives?

No, he didn't. Much as some people seem to love misquoting him, The Guardian seems to quote his actual words: In a BBC interview on Friday before the Conservative party conference, the prime minister was challenged that there was no measure for determining whether those who were more deprived were really catching up with those who were better off under the policy.

Johnson replied: “I’ve given you the most important metric – never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes – look at wage growth.


So he was not saying wage growth was more important, only that it was a better 'metric' (measure) of levelling up!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 05:46 AM

Well, in order to fend off inflation, the thirty-quid broccoli-pickers would have to pick it three times as fast! :-) ...And have we got the appetite for three times as many helpings of that boring veg... But seriously, we've bumped along the bottom for many years apropos of productivity in this country. I want to know how the Tories intend to raise productivity in order to justify his dream of a high-wage economy. Otherwise, higher wages means higher prices, companies unable to pay them going out of business, inflation, more people pitched into poverty, more food banks... So what's the plan? Eh??

Ridley Road is superb. I'm not one of those who binge-watches on iPlayer. One week at a time!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 05:45 AM

Along with other young people during my schooldays, I used to go beet-singling and spud-bashing to earn some pocket money. The farmer would send his beat up old van round to pick us up from our road-end. Sore hands from beet-singling, sore back from spud bashing, and sore ears from the effing and blinding of the farmer at us because we weren’t doing it properly, or fast enough, or both. Crap money, but better than nowt.

My mum also did both when I was a child and she didn’t have a permanent full-time job.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 05:05 AM

It was not always done by migrant workers Senoufou. I remember when it was not unusual for people on the dole to work on the land for cash in hand. All off the books of course.

Picking crops is seasonal work of course. Most people would prefer an all year round job,if given the choice, rather than a seasonal one. In recent times this has been done by migrant workers, a lot of whom would just come here during the crop season.

It is hard bloody work. Someone i know did some fruit picking last year. Long hours, encouraged to work 7 days a week, poor conditions as well. The crop does have to be picked quickly in order for the shops to take it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 04:32 AM

But you support capitalism don't you, Eliza? Wasn't it Maggie Thatcher that introduced the Yuppie "screw everybody else" economy? Didn't your illustrious leader just say that high wages were more important than people's lives? Aren't the Tory Party blaming those damned Europeans for all our ills?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 04:17 AM

I just read that farmers in Lincolnshire (county north of our Norfolk) are now offering £30 an hour to attract workers to come and harvest broccoli!! I expect this was always done by European migrant workers, but the sad thing is that our British people don't want to work in the fields nowadays, not even for £30 an hour!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 21 - 03:35 AM

Anyone seen "Ridley Road" on the BBC? Deserves a thread of its own but as it is likely to cause political comment, I'll mention it here.

Set in the early 60's against the backdrop of the rising National Socialist League. I was amazed by how much has not changed :-( Minority groups are still blamed for the countries ills and people are still falling for it. People fighting against injustice are still targeted by the police. Politicians and the media are still preying on peoples fears. It's a brilliant drama but who would have thought it could have been a blueprint for today's extreme politics!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 01:42 PM

You are quite correct Sandman, the government could and should provide the necessary training (free of charge).

Had they been any sort of decent government they could and should have done this months ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 10:16 AM

"Tory MP James Brokenshire dies aged 53 after lung cancer battle"

No.. I'm not a cruel lefty thug who'd mock the death of this fellow human being..

But what a perfect surname for a tory MP...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 07:26 AM

Just been watching a repeat of Johnson’s so-called ‘speech’ at the Tories’ Annual Love-in and Piss-up, and the standing ovation at the end.

What on Earth do those people have in place of grey-matter?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 06:40 AM

The prime minister and every cabinet minister have clearly been primed to claim at every juncture that it's not this country's fault, it's global, when challenged about the crisis that this country is facing. Well yes. But we are in a much worse state than many other countries because we have under-invested in the NHS for a decade, we've converted to a penal benefits system that has catapulted hundreds of thousands of people into food-bank poverty, we ignored all warnings about future pandemics years ago, we recklessly went ahead with brexit, we cruise along thinking that we don't have to train for skills because foreigners are happy to come here, allowing ruthless profiteering employers to drive down wages, and, well, in a nutshell, events always overtake us. We never see things coming. Oh, and the last time I looked into it we were the only country with queues at petrol pumps. So we lack the skills and we have low pay and we have millions on benefits facing a bleak winter and we have five-year waiting lists.

But what's this I hear? We are going to magic up a high-skill, high-wage workforce with minimal immigration! All I can say to that is that we've heard about the magic to come but we've heard nothing about the method. It's all words and no plan. He genuinely doesn't know what to do. He'd better start praying that we have a mild winter and no flu epidemic. And just wait 'til April when he'll have to lift the energy price cap by a few hundred quid for the millions of families already on their uppers with high rents, the sudden loss of twenty quid a week, inflation going through the roof, shortages on supermarket shelves...

Merry Christmas everybody!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 03:42 AM

Indeed, DMcG, indeed!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 03:28 AM

A point I have made many times, and no doubt will many times more, is that every company I have ever worked in has a staff shortage. That is no good thing, of course, but it can be managed by overtime, buying back leave and so on. It only becomes a problem when the staff shortage becomes so severe that those techniques are not enough and it turns into shortage of product.

That there are HGV shortages in Poland, or whatever, is not good but they have been able to manage it via cabotage and drivers from elsewhere and similar techniques so it does not flow over into product shortages.

You cannot just treat HGV driver shortages and goods shortages as essentially equivalent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 03:20 AM

According to Johnson and sundry members of The Johnson Gang, the shortage of HGV drivers is a ‘world-wide’ problem, exacerbated by the Covid-19 pandemic, nothing at all to do with Brexit.

And our esteemed and revered Prime Minister, pillar of moral rectitude that he is, would never set out to deceive us, would he? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 03:03 AM

in answer to raggytash , this problem has been caused by the uk government, perhaps they should then to some extent fund the training what alternative is there?
in the meantime my suggestion for training fruit pickers[ another skilled job]is imo a good one, the uk government has to find a solution to a problem that has been caused by brexit


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 06:23 PM

There have been well documented problems at the DVLA. The bosses blame the unions and the unions blame the bosses.

"This week the DfT admitted in response to a parliamentary question that there were 56,144 applications for vocational driving licences – for lorry and bus drivers – awaiting processing. It said of these, about 4,000 were for provisional licences, while the “vast majority” were for renewals. In most cases, drivers could continue to drive while the application was being processed.

The DVLA said provisional licences were being issued in about five days but conceded that “more complex transactions”, for example if medical investigations were needed, may face “longer delays.”"

The Guardian


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 05:29 PM

My son who used to work for the local council HAD a HGV licence. It has now lapsed because he changed his employment.

At the moment, due to cock up beyond his control, he can no longer fulfil his normal job (although that will hopefully change very soon) and is out of work.

However despite having once held a HGV licence the cost and the time of having it reinstated is prohibitive. Somewhere about the £2,000 mark.

With the cost of training, in excess of what my sone would have to pay, and the length of time involved it is not realistic to train new drivers for this current event.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 04:40 PM

if i was in charge in the uk , i would offer all car or van drivers who are also signing on the chance to keep their dole money if they did two OR 3 days a week training as an HGV DRIVER,
I WOULD MAKE THE SAME OFFER TO PEOPLE WHO WERE PREPARED TO LEARN THE SKILLS OF FRUIT PICKING [TWO DAYS A WEEK] With two days off to recover because it is hard work, eventualy there might be a possibilty that these people could have jobs full time


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 03:06 PM

I forgot to mention that those times were spent in Poplar and Stepney, in the East End...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 03:03 PM

I too have been on lots of demos and picket lines and I've been threatened not only by the police (also whilst on my bike as it happens) but also by the establishment in my trade union (which was called the NUT in those days). I've been to many a frenetic far-left meeting in an upstairs smoke-filled room. In my somewhat naive yoof I admit to having tended to see things in too much black and white. Just like those party conferences we've just endured, those rooms were bubbles insulated from the outside world. Many of my socialist mates were revolutionaries, but I was never that and I didn't join anything other than the Anti-Nazi League. I like to think I take more of a measured view of things these days, hopefully informed by better understanding of the issues of the day with just a smattering of pragmatism thrown in. I've also been one of those lucky buggers who bought a cheap house with a little mortgage just before the era of house-price booms set in and who has enjoyed a secure-job-for-long-as-I-wanted-it. But I've never shed my leftie predilections and I love to be called a leftie. I won't bother listing what that actually means, but at least I've managed to avoid conspiratorial thoughts to the effect that everyone I see on the telly in a protest is a faux-leftie-ex-student-union-middle-class-showboating-git with a hint of the earth-mother thrown in...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 01:43 PM

"I doubt that you, Doug, pfr or I know a single one of them"

I'm at ease with that..

I've known more than my fair share of political nutters [on my own side] in the past..

I was one of them before I came close to doing something so stupidly vandalistic as a futile protest in my mid 20s
I'd have ended up in prison,
but thankfully came to my senses...

Let's just say I was a militant cyclist anti-cars protester.. and leave it at that......


Remember, I studied and lived in BRISTOL for years..
[look up Stokes Croft Road, as a nexus for revolutionary misfits/nutcases...]

.. and my roots and current resting place aint that far from Glastonbury...

In fact I'm always only a phone call away from getting back in touch with a bunch of 'em...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 01:23 PM

Oh. 2000! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 01:22 PM

I think the Labour party do have alternatives to taxing the poor, Rain Dog. Higher taxes for Rich. Make sure the big corporates pay their whack. Close the offshoring legal loopholes. They have espoused many such. Trouble is the mega rich own the media and most politicians dance to their tune. Sadly, that now includes the current Labour executive so we cannot expect them to oppose the reverse Robin Hood policies currently in favour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 01:13 PM

"If you don't know them personally, you simply can't say."

Er, when I said that I wasn't referring to politicians in the public eye but to the dozens/hundreds of road protesters, who are very likely a disparate bunch of people with all manner of perspectives. I doubt that you, Doug, pfr or I know a single one of them. That's why I don't like the application of the broad brush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 12:01 PM

Boris says that he has sorted social care. Well he hasn't BUT at least he has made a start unlike all the previous governments. As usual there are no details yet apart from the planned NI increase next year. We will have to wait and see if he follows through on that. His plan at the moment is more concerned with people preserving their wealth rather than how social care is organised and paid for.

In an ideal world all the parties would get together to come up with a long term plan for social care. I don't think i will live long enough to ever see that happening. As it is, Boris has not even bothered consulting his own party about social care.

So we end up with a tory party proposing to raise taxes to pay for the NHS and social care, and the labour party voting against it. Who saw that coming? Now Labour might well think that there is a fairer way to raise the money. Why haven't they told us? You would hope that they had given the matter some thought before Boris announced his so called plan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 11:27 AM

On another forum a poster said, “I find it really hard to understand how people can swallow the bullshit that gushes from Johnson’s mouth”.

My reply was, “They believe it because it’s what they want to hear. Johnson is a past-master in the dark arts of gaslighting and dog-whistling (as, indeed, are his sycophantic acolytes in the Parliamentary Party), and he knows the truth embodied in the Goebbels Philosophy.”

It’s the founding principle of the Populism now espoused by our Far-Right party-in-government, and I see no evidence of any of the other parties having the faintest notion of how to combat it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 09:39 AM

Yep, yet another Bozzer fantasy says Gary Lineker

Maybe we should have footballers running the country?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 09:02 AM

"If  you don't know them personally, you simply can't say."

I have never met Boris so all that follows is based on my own observation. I think that he is a pathological liar and a fantasist. I think he has little interest in politics and is most likely not even a tory. He appears to know little or nothing about business and shows no inclination to learn anything about it. His mantra seems to be 'fuck business'. Oh and he also seems to like rewriting history, but not in a woke way.

And yet, and yet he is the prime minister. Such are the times we are living in.

He just wants to be liked and will say whatever he thinks people want to hear.

A lot of the tory party members, especially the mps, are just riding on his coattails, hanging on for dear life. They are in for a bumpy ride, as is the rest of the country. Fuck knows when and where it will all end.

I did see mention of a comment in his speech about Brexit helping to put an end to the plans for the ESL. Who would have thought that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 08:17 AM

In case anyone wondered, here is Bozzer's speech fact checked.

And there are STILL people willing to support him!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 07:08 AM

I’m astonished no-one seems to have commented on our esteemed (NOT!) PM’s speech to his band of adoring worshippers at the end of the Annual Tory Love-in and Piss-up yesterday. John Crace, as ever, sums it up perfectly…


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 07:01 AM

By the way, DMcG, the logical fallacy you refer to is POST hoc|/i>

Quite correct, my mistake. It happens!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 05:54 AM

Was it the nasty bog smell wot suffocated him then? Should he have given it twenty minutes before trying to get in?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 05:24 AM

It's still daft chucking yerself under a race horse... quote really we all have to die sometime.and it gets you remembered,and contributed to women getting the vote. .....please somebody tell me the point of protest if it has no effect.
perhaps it is not as daft as dying while on the back of a horse fox hunting. or dying like the rector of stiffkey,
or like a neighbour of mine trying to get in to his own house through a lavatory window that was too small and dying of suffocation


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 05:06 AM

Well I think that keeping yourself in the headlines always has a good chance of getting you somewhere. Of course I know that attacking paintings didn't get women the vote, but it put their cause in the headlines, just one of many strategies. Then you have to convince the people who you've made indignant that while they may disapprove of what you're doing, it shouldn't mean they have to disapprove of your cause. Which they are now aware of because of what you are impolitely doing. Being polite means writing to your MP or signing petitions, and we know how far that gets you. Not living near the M25 means that I haven't had the opportunity to be inconvenienced by the protesters, so by all means call me Mr Smug. Lastly, let's try to avoid tarring every road protester with the same brush. They are individual human beings with their own perspectives, not necessarily all sinister middle-class ex-student union rabble-rousers. If you don't know them personally, you simply can't say. That's not being a leftie. That's being fair-minded.

By the way, DMcG, the logical fallacy you refer to is POST hoc...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 04:06 AM

But that is a tricky link to make, Steve. The attack on the art was in 1913, then the during the war most suffragettes suspended action "in the national interest". In 1918 some women over 30 were granted the vote in 1918, with most not getting the vote until 1928.

We need to avoid the pro hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 03:50 AM

Each pressure group has its genuine cause that it is trying to gain support for and some in those groups may resort to civil disobedience to bring their cause to public attention. However, I believe that some of those marching down Whitehall, chaining themselves to railings or gluing themselves to the M25, in support of the latest protest to hit the headlines, are there for that very reason - it's in the headlines. They don't really care about the cause. They are there to cause mayhem because they can. If I were to start a protest against the Teletubbies in some headline grabbing way, it wouldn't be long before the anti-brigade were marching shoulder to shoulder with me, at least until the next fad came along.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 12:21 AM

Mind you, the suffragettes didn't have the internet in them days...

.. we now live in the 21st century...!!!

It's still daft chucking yerself under a race horse...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 08:27 PM

Well I've just watched one of those Portillo railway episodes, one in which he visited Manchester. There was a detail of three women, suffragettes, who walked into an art gallery and attacked the glass fronts of several paintings (some of which were those of pre-raphaelite tossers) with little toffee hammers. No messing about talking about it, no worries about public condemnation. And guess what. Eventually, women got the vote. Learn from history, or, as the yanks would say, go figure...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 01:57 PM

Bugger! Try again…

It’s a combination of the power of psychological conditioning (a.k.a. ‘Brainwashing’) by the Right Wing media , and the Goebbels Philosophy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 01:54 PM

”If even The Spectator can admit he is the shitiest leader we have ever had, how come the right wingers on here are still supporting him?”

It’s a combination of the power of psychological conditioning (a.k.a. ‘Brainwashing’), and the Goebbels Philosophy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Oct 21 - 01:52 PM

"Most often anonymously"..

nail on the head time...???

Now that might get more effective real results done
than the "Ooh, look at me, I'm a heroic protester" showboaters...


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