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BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich

Donuel 05 Aug 20 - 10:37 AM
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Steve Shaw 05 Aug 20 - 11:51 AM
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Charmion 05 Aug 20 - 07:38 PM
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Donuel 05 Aug 20 - 10:30 PM
leeneia 05 Aug 20 - 11:43 PM
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Subject: BS: Reinventing the lowly P&J sandwich
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 10:37 AM

Mostly kids eat them so why not make them healthier.

Use only a hint of a preserve/jam of your choice or not.
On top of the peanut butter side place fresh blueberries next to each other. The texture and moist goosh of blue berry is great.
Milk is not mandatory anymore.

Or sliced necterines or manderine oranges or the ol standbye bananas or thinly sliced carrots.
Just don't try to sneak in broccoli.

Whats your perversion version?


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly P&J sandwich
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 11:13 AM

I loved slices of dill pickle on peanut butter in the sandwich.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly P&J sandwich
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 11:19 AM

What’s a ‘P&J sandwich’?


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly P&J sandwich
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 11:36 AM

It is PB and J. I'll fix the title. Peanut butter and jelly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 11:51 AM

I can't have peanut butter in the house. I'd just sit there with a spoon and the jar and eat the 2000 calories all at once. It wouldn't get near bread. It has to be the crunchy stuff though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Jos
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 12:28 PM

My "perversion" is never EVER to put jelly, jam, preserve or anything sweet anywhere near peanut butter (and at all costs avoid any peanut butter that has been sweetened.

That said, I recommend wholemeal bread and butter, one slice spread with crunchy peanut butter, one slice spread with cream cheese, and put chopped celery and/or cucumber in between them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 12:29 PM

Aaaahh, peanut butter and jam! Gotcha!


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 01:21 PM

PB&J doesn't work quite right on that newfangled wholegrain bread, although it isn't bad if the bread is toasted. PB&J is meant for white bread, I think.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 02:02 PM

Crunchy. Almost any jam but strawberry or grape. And milk is, too, obligatory. Peach, apricot, sour cherry, rhubarb are all yum. Bread toasted but cooled so the PB doesn't melt. Cut on diagonal. Rye, whole wheat, pumpernickel, but not air-bread like Wonder, must have some bite to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 02:54 PM

This is a bit of kitchen physics, Joe.

I make homemade wheat/white bread (the recipe has three cups of white flour and 1 cup of wheat) that is perfect with PB & J. It's a nice consistency, not as tough as full whole wheat. The trick is to have the peanut butter out of the fridge long enough so it doesn't tear up the bread. Like trying to spread hard butter on bread, it just doesn't work.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 03:57 PM

Put your rock-hard butter in thin slices on a plate and microwave it on full for 10-12 seconds. Geronimo. I use the microwave for nothing else except for very occasional emergency porridge. I can't think that microwaves could ever be used for actual cooking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 04:11 PM

I have a knifelike utensil that makes spreadable, skinny curls out of hard butter...


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 04:53 PM

Peanut butter... crunchy... mixed with Almond butter..and/or Cashew if you can get it.

Add Red Raspberry jam and 'maybe' a bit of good honey and put it on fresh baked whole wheat....or even store bought whole wheat. I often have it as breakfast.

Other combinations are ok.. but that's my current favorite.

I've been a PB&J connoisseur for about 70 years....

(Steve... I have known a couple others who eat it out of the jar, but I seldom do.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Jos
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 05:28 PM

From Wikipedia:

"The Peanut Butter and banana sandwich, or peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich, sometimes referred to as an Elvis sandwich or simply the Elvis, consists of toasted bread slices with peanut butter, sliced or mashed banana, and occasionally bacon. Honey is seen in some variations of the sandwich. The sandwich is frequently cooked in a pan or on a griddle."

It doesn't bode well for the initial post's suggestion "... why not make them healthier". It is reputed to have contributed to Elvis's demise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Joe_F
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 06:20 PM

Jos: I applaud your heresy. PB&J makes about as much sense, to me, as marzipan & dill pickles. I have always regarded cream cheese as the canonical underlayment for peanut butter. I shall have to try your vegetable elaboration some time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: JennieG
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 07:04 PM

In Oz pb&j isn't a thing......but I have been eating peanut butter and honey sangers* since childhood.

*Sangers - sandwiches. Also known as 'sambos' in some circles, comes from the pronunciation of sandwiches as "sammidges".


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Charmion
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 07:38 PM

Peanut butter — the crunchy kind, from the health food store with no sugar or salt — on lightly toasted whole wheat bread with sliced apple or pear ... and a large beer mug of tea.

Breakfast (or lunch) of champions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 08:05 PM

We can get peanut butter with no sugar, salt or palm oil now. Just smashed up peanuts and nowt else. I can't buy it without Mrs Steve knowing I've bought it. Can we change the subject? :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 08:48 PM

many decades ago I used to buy a wonderful sandwich from a vegetarian cafe - crunchy PB, tahini, sliced banana & a drizzle of honey - YUM!!! I'm sure it would not have been on supermarket white bread.

Here in the land of Oz we keep our PB in the cupboard, but I used to refrigerate it back in the days when I made my own. I used my kitchen blender on coffee bean speed & added some oil as a kitchen blender is not as fast as commercial machines so the crunchy bits stayed dry & crunchy. My crunchy PB was not smooth with added crunchy bits, it was solid crunch with a bit of oil to hold it together.

I recently finished a jar of cashew butter so need to get some as I like to have occasional snacks of 4 crackers, 2 with PB, 2 with CB. YUM!

But I also might get some tahini & some bananas as well. Shopping list has been updated.

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: JennieG
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 10:17 PM

Slight thread creep, Sandra......many moons ago a small cafe I used to frequent (closed for a long time now, sadly) served toasted raisin bread topped with cottage cheese and sliced banana, drizzled with honey. Geez, that was nice.....

Returning you back to your regular programming now.

Himself buys his peanut butter from a local 'health store' which makes its own. He likes crunchy, so crunchy it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 10:30 PM

Its going to take weeks to try all these.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: leeneia
Date: 05 Aug 20 - 11:43 PM

When I was a student with little money, I had to resort to a sandwich made of p.b. and pancake syrup. Now I can enjoy p.b. and honey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 10:43 AM

In the Canadian Army, the PB&J is a go-to option for food that can be eaten while standing in a crew commander's hatch of an armoured fighting vehicle, navigating, and monitoring the communications nets. You're monitoring the nets because talking with a mouthful of sandwich will make it hard to get your message across. Good thing you have a signaller to respond for you.

Variations on the PB&J include the Body-Builder Sandwich, which is Cheez Whiz and peanut butter on raisin bread, a favourite of mine when I was a gun position officer on recce in winter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 01:59 PM

I don't think the contents of the 'Elvis' contributed to his demise...

I think it was the number of them!


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Jos
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 02:58 PM

You could be right.
But bacon sarnies are so nice as they are that I can't understand why anyone would want to mess them up with peanut butter, let alone banana. Though lettuce and tomato are tolerable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 03:18 PM

I have put PB on Raisin bread... I just don't buy raisin bread often.
I used to go to the trouble of mixing it with honey, but now I'm lazy and often want it with just jam/jelly. I really like the Almond butter mixed in, and adding honey to THAT is just and extra step.

I know several people.......including my wife... who add banana. I'm not sure why I never tried that. It's probably ok... but I really don't need to discover another treat that I like. Too many already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Helen
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 04:30 PM

JennieG said, "In Oz pb&j isn't a thing" - well it was in our house, 100 miles north of Sydney.

Why milk? Do you mean drinking a glass of milk while eating the sandwich or is there some strange, esoteric milk-related ritual which we Aussies are not privy to?

My fave PB & ? variations are always on multigrain or interesting bread and PB works well with pumpernickel too:

PB & tomato slices
PB & crunchy lettuce e.g. Cos/Romaine
PB & banana slices
PB & honey
PB & jam.

I admit I don't do the last two variations now that I am a grown up, and especially because my family all radically cut down on sugar consumption in the mid '70's.

My hubby absolutely refuses to try any PB & variations. That surprises me because he likes satay meals and also a Balinese dish called Gado Gado, a salad of slightly boiled, blanched or steamed vegetables and hard-boiled eggs, boiled potato, fried tofu and tempeh, and lontong, served with a peanut sauce dressing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: JennieG
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 05:13 PM

I grew up a few hours north-west from you, Helen, - and the only time we ever heard of pb & j was in American movies.

Late last year my visiting Canadian friend had pb and orange marmalade on her toast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Helen
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 06:39 PM

Oh yes!! pb and orange marmalade! I've done that one too. If there is any food on earth that I could be addicted to it is marmalade, especially made with Seville oranges which have a bitter quality.

We have a couple of varieties of small pink grapefruit trees. Last year Hubby made marmalade with the fruit. Yummo!!!!! The fruit are almost ripe again so he'll be reporting to the kitchen again soon with his jam making equipment (a big saucepan and some sugar) at the ready.

I gave a jar to one of my friends and she's not a huge marmalade fan, but her response was, "Blessed are the jam makers".

Off topic, but I love bitter marmalade on crumpets with thin slices of a mild cheese on top. He has embraced that food delight, which surprised me a lot, but he stubbornly refuses to try the PB variations.

I remember in 1978 when I was doing a practice teaching unit at a local high school and one of my Uni course peers was there too. We were discussing favourite foods and when I listed off my PB variation faves she paused, looked at me intently and said, "Don't you like peanut butter?". That made me laugh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 07:21 PM

The best way to improve a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is to throw the bread away and make a peanut butter and jelly milkshake instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 07:40 PM

People REFRIGERATE peanut butter?? And a PB&J is good on rye, white, whole wheat, foccacia, and most breads. Try PB and honey, or PBf with banana slices. Or from my youth, PB and mayonnaise (or Miracle Whip).


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 08:29 PM

To add to the variety of uses of PB.. today I stopped by my local liquor store for some wine and beer. As I made my way to the checkout, I passed a display of 3... count them THREE, brands of PB flavored whisky!
   The clerk asked me "How are you doing?" and I allowed as how I was fine until I saw 'that' display.
   He said, "Yeah... I know.. but people buy it."

If I knew 50 years ago what I know now, I'd have bought stock in PB businesses instead of just supporting them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 08:37 PM

"The best way to improve a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is to throw the bread away and make a peanut butter and jelly milkshake instead."

The best way to improve a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is to take a dessert spoon, remove the lid from the peanut butter jar and scoff the whole jar in one sitting. Discard the jelly and bread. I mean, why add calories?


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 10:22 PM

I had a peanut butter and orange marmalade milkshake about an hour ago and it was quite delicious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Helen
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 10:31 PM

Bee-dubya-ell. Seriously? No way!


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Helen
Date: 06 Aug 20 - 10:39 PM

I take it back, Bee-dubya-ell. I thought you were pushing the BS aspect of this thread, but I just Googled "peanut butter and orange marmalade milkshake" and there it is.

Is this the reference to milk further up the thread?

And in case anyone doesn't know how to make peanut butter and orange marmalade on toast, a recipe for that also came up in the search results.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Jos
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 01:18 AM

Just imagining a "peanut butter and orange marmalade milkshake" makes me feel ill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Helen
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 02:41 AM

I don't know Jos. I reckon I might give it a try. Maybe. Or ease into it in stages by trying an orange marmalade milkshake, evaluate that for pleasantness of experience and then review the feasibility of trying it again with PB added.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: BobL
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 03:16 AM

PB and golden syrup works quite well - tastes like peanut brittle. However I don't use GS these days - wonder if it would work with maple?

And although I like both, PB and Marmite is a combination I've yet to try.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Jos
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 03:38 AM

A thin smear of marmite works OK with the peanut butter, cream cheese and celery sarnie, but don't overdo it.

Maybe that would work as a milkshake. I tried savoury milkshakes a while back, mushroom and chives, tomato and basil, then realised I had merely invented chilled soup.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 03:50 AM

did you patent the process, Jos?


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Jos
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 04:35 AM

Sandra,
Once I realised that all I had done was to reinvent chilled soup it didn't seem worth bothering, so the idea is free for any of you to try - garlic mushroom, prawn curry, cheese and onion? Don't bother with salt and vinegar - milk and vinegar would be a BAD idea ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 06:45 AM

Bernie Sanders might like a good PB and Lox while Donal is more of a PB and Big Mac guy. In 'Thighland' PB and shrimp is popular and spicy.
I favor a PB and fresh fruit. I tried a cream cheese and PB last night.
Not bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Jos
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 07:07 AM

I did have peanut ice cream once, in Tobago, hand-churned over a bucket of ice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 07:44 AM

We both like peanut butter but while I put mine on bread, (definitely NOT WITH JAM!!) husband adds great dollops to his Spicy Horror curries.
We only buy the smooth stuff, because it's better for his sauce and my teeth can't cope with nutty bits (I have several missing!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 09:35 AM

I've been using apple butter.
I'm wondering if I should try peanut butter and bacon. These days, you can get bacon jelly. I probably shouldn't ever buy that, or it wouldn't be just the PB with a spoon in it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Charmion
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 11:41 AM

I did not like peanut butter as a child. I learned to appreciate it as an adult when I joined the armed forces and ended up in recruit school in winter. I had bronchitis pretty well the whole time, which drastically affected my appetite, although we were run ragged and fed like fighting cocks (building muscle was a big part of the program). In the mornings, when I coughed continually and could barely eat, I would put boiled eggs and and toast spread with PB in the pockets of my parka for future reference, and thus did not make myself even sicker than I was already.

Ah, youth.

Bill Day's spotting of PB-flavoured whiskey has to be some kind of gastronomic nadir. That's just wicked -- and not in the New England sense of the word.


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Helen
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 04:50 PM

I heard a question on a quiz show this week about George Washington Carver

"Carver's inventions include hundreds of products, including more than 300 from peanuts (milk, plastics, paints, dyes, cosmetics, medicinal oils, soap, ink, wood stains)" but he didn't invent peanut butter.

Senoufou, your husband's curry combined with pb makes sense to me.

This is one of the many variations on a recipe for satay sauce:

Ingredients

    1 cup fresh dry roasted peanuts (unsalted)
    1/3 cup water
    1 to 2 cloves garlic (minced)
    1/2 teaspoon dark soy sauce
    2 teaspoon sesame oil
    2 tablespoons brown sugar
    1 to 2 tablespoons fish sauce (depending on desired saltiness/flavor; vegetarians substitute 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 tablespoons regular soy sauce)
    1/2 teaspoon tamarind paste (or 1/2 tablespoon lime juice)
    1/2 teaspoon cayenne pepper (or 1 teaspoon Thai chili sauce; more or less, to taste)
    1/3 cup coconut milk


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 05:04 PM

The takeaway from all this seems to be that, if one likes PB at all, it can be adapted in many ways... I just remembered that at about the 3rd Getaway I attended, we were doing our own food and various members who could cook-- or were co-opted into cooking-- adapted their personal recipes for feeding large groups...
   Thus, we had a large pot of peanut butter & broccoli soup! It was either a hit or carefully avoided..


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Subject: RE: BS: Reinventing the lowly PB & J sandwich
From: Helen
Date: 07 Aug 20 - 05:27 PM

Not forgetting those poor PB-deprived souls who are allergic to peanuts. Maybe they were the ones avoiding the PB & broccoli soup.


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