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Subject: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jul 20 - 01:32 AM

Part One

Back in 2003 I was working out of my home state. I was sent to California to work in a refinery near Oakland. And California hit the big time news with a successful effort to recall Governor Gray Davis from his second term. My closest of kin was a native Californian who found the recal ridiculous. For one thing the newly reelected Democratic governor was perfectly honest and capable. The Republican legislator who sponsored the recall was notoriously not so. And then when the recall was successful, he backed out of the whole thing and did not run to replace Davis himself.

What followed was a political maelstrom with over a hundred contenders and a fracas that was simultaneously horror show and low comedy that would have kept Spitting Image busy with tons of papier mache had they still been around. And long story short, California got The Governator. Arnold Schwarzeneggar was elected, served a full term, and was reelected.

The next year, The Apprentice ‘reality show’ premiered with Donald Trump. I watched some of the early episodes. Trump did not take to the screen very much in the episodes I saw. The contending novices and the tasks set them took up the bulk of the show and provided the competitive tension. Trump would furnish the gravitas as the ‘decider’ at a final boardroom showdown and got to utter the immortal phrase: “you’re fired!”. Right from the start I could not see why anyone would humiliate themselves to be subjected to that man’s judgment. I would find it defiling, but then, in America the trappings of wealth, power and competence is accepted as a substitute for the real thing in so many cases. Fronting a reality show is definitely one of those cases.

That show with Donald Trump went on until 2015. Then Trump left for possibly higher things, and the show morphed into Celebrity Apprentice with guess who as the new decider:

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Jul 20 - 12:28 PM

Did he never say "you will be back"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jul 20 - 12:55 PM

LOL -actually it was a chuckle-


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Jul 20 - 03:31 AM

I wish you hadn't mentioned Spitting Image. It got me remembering the two Davids (David Owen with David Steele in his pocket) and asking myself if is they would portray Trump and Johnson as conjoined twins - then the imagery got worse when I remember what Johnson was slang for - Trump with a talking Johnson in his trousers. Surprised that Steve Bell hasn't picked up on this - I suppose the imagery would be too much even for the Guardian.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jul 20 - 12:41 AM

Good story, robomatic.

You probably are aware that we're trying to recall our governor? I don't know the man personally but what convinced me is what he did to the ferries that fed our offshore islands. Deplorable. A tRump wannabe, if I ever saw one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: Jos
Date: 26 Jul 20 - 01:26 AM

"what Johnson was slang for"
Well, that's one I hadn't come across before. Maybe it's a US thing. I suppose Americans know what a "trump" is (aside from the card-playing meaning)?


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Subject: BS: Federal Funding and jurisdictions
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Sep 20 - 09:38 PM

This is really ominous to me --
if the US Government in its branches
(executive and judicial, here)
can go this far,
I hate to think what is next.

in response to Trump memorandum


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Subject: RE: BS: Federal Funding and jurisdictions
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Sep 20 - 10:35 PM

From Keberoxu's link:
    The U.S. Department of Justice today identified the following three jurisdictions that have permitted violence and destruction of property to persist and have refused to undertake reasonable measures to counteract criminal activities: New York City; Portland, Oregon; and Seattle, Washington. The Department of Justice is continuing to work to identify jurisdictions that meet the criteria set out in the President’s Memorandum and will periodically update the list of selected jurisdictions as required therein.

    The list was published on DOJ’s website today in response to President Trump’s memorandum of September 2, 2020, entitled “Memorandum on Reviewing Funding to State and Local Government Recipients That Are Permitting Anarchy, Violence, and Destruction in American Cities.”


Well, the election is in November. This decree won't make Trump popular in these cities.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Federal Funding and jurisdictions
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Sep 20 - 12:11 PM

To me it smacks of the Soviet Union and the KGB.
Well, this country already has gulags ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 20 - 12:25 PM

I moved this "Federal Funding and jurisdictions" topic over here. We're ending up with a lot of Trump threads, and I have to agree with the UK contingent - if we're going to limit them to the number of UK politic threads they start we need to keep the Trump threads under control as well. There are plenty to go around.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 05:22 AM

I've been awfully afraid of the outcome of the upcoming presidential election. But after tonight's debate between the current pResident and Joe Biden I can only say grimly:if anyone still supports the Golden Ass they deserve him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 10:58 AM

There was a term used in an interview recently that I can't get my hands on how via a search. The interviewee said that people have trouble predicting a different future when looking at current events. That they tend to see more of the same in the future instead of a decisive change.

This is certainly the case now - several friends who fully intend to vote for Biden have expressed sorrow that they're afraid Trump will win anyway. Simply because they're so miserable now they can't see enough people pulling it together to make a change.

I'm optimistic enough to read the current political climate as a whole bunch of people who are working hard to get out the vote, because what they most fear is another Trump term. And if they keep working, they will see positive results.

If nothing else, last night's series of "non-presidential" interruptions by Trump will spur Democrats on to go ahead and vote (if they haven't already. I mailed my ballot yesterday, figuring five weeks will be enough to reach the election administrator).


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 06:06 PM

And at long last
there has been a parting of the ways
between Donald Trump and the Drudge Report
(according to the New York Times).


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Subject: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Elmore
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 01:10 AM

The latest news on MSNBC declares that Donald J. Trump and his wife have tested positive for what he claimed was the disappearing virus. Nancy Pelosi is praying for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 03:42 AM

Or at least it’s a way of avoiding any further televised debates? He made a complete bell-end of himself on the one the other night, perhaps he and his controllers have decided enough is enough and pulled this stunt to save face?


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 04:33 AM

I can't help but be cynical and think it's a publicity stunt, he will come back (early) and say it was no more than a cold and we shouldn't be taking precaution, wearing masks etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 05:12 AM

I can certainly see that happening, Raggytash. Or if he is more affected but recovers in a week or two, claim that shows how super-fit and resilient he is. Or, if it a bit worse, seek the sympathy vote. Really, there are a lot of ways to play it if he is not actually hospitalized.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 06:57 AM

There are so many ways in which this announcement could get a bit more support for Trump that I very much doubt its veracity.
But if it's true, to wish that it would carry him off isn't morally defensible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 07:00 AM

I was reading that there is much uncertainty about what would happen to all the mail-in votes that have already been cast which have his name on them if Trump died or withdrew. In the accounts I have read, it is not clear if any votes cast for him would automatically transfer to another nominee. Even the votes cast for Biden could be in some doubt, since saying you prefer Biden to Trump does not inherently say you prefer Biden to A. N. Other.

On the UK side of the ocean this passes almost in a single comment, but presumably it is exercising people on the US side more. I'd be interested in hearing comments on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 07:08 AM

At this moment I can't of anything that would be more beneficial to mankind than for this would-be dictator to exit this mortal realm, perhaps we could get those children on the southern border reunited with their families. Unfortunately the statistics indicate he's liable to weather this even though he's elderly, fat, eats garbage and doesn't exercise beyond playing golf out of a cart.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 07:34 AM

Also with his passing and the election of a new administration we're sure to get a serious response to the virus which will save untold numbers of lives.
If he does pull through expect a whole new raft of lies and misinformation from the White House about the virus that will lead to even more death and illness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:01 AM

This has also caused the cancellation of this weekend's planned super-spreader events in Wisconsin, without masks and social distancing, which will no doubt save lives up there as there will be no additional trump cultists spreading the virus among their fellow citizens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:17 AM

I think that Twitler going viral may just ensure he doesn't win. But will he leave?

Hey - give him some of his bleach, that'll solve the problemo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:27 AM

Incidentally Spitting Image is back to tomorrow, though only on the streaming service Britbox. The trailer on YouTube and the releases of pictures of the new puppets look very promising and pretty savage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:50 AM

There has been talk (on NPR this AM) of what will happen with the election. He's on the ballot. If Pence has to be sworn in, will votes for Trump automatically go to Pence?
I think it might be believed that he and Melania got it from Hope Hicks, but it's speculation, and more is coming out about this as time goes on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 09:02 AM

Who knows if Hicks infected them but the WH knew of her infection in advance of his fund-raising trip to New Jersey.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-10-02-20-intl/h_da0bc1f63ac9a7ab1e5ea0a4135723b7

Maybe trump's illness will inspire a number of his numbnutz followers to take CDC guidelines seriously at long last.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 09:45 AM

At the least it's a wake-up.
People politicized mask wearing.
Can't politicize Covid-19.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:09 AM

Unfortunately, this as close to evil as humanly possible man
can afford the finest emergency health care on this planet;
to help him claim how super human Übermensch fit he is
to shrug off this minor inconvenience harmless virus...

Would it be more beneficial for humanity
if covid kills trump,
or permanently reduces him to a feeble dribbling invalid old man...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:11 AM

He's gone from having a positive test to having "mild Covid symptoms" in only the past few hours, so I think it's too early to know what will happen.

...not that he or his toadies will tell anybody if he DOES get really sick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:11 AM

I don't want him to suffer, I just want him gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:33 AM

Ironically, his surrogates, including his idiot son, Don Jr., have been spreading unfounded rumors about Joe Biden's health.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:47 AM

I saw the thread title and said to meself: "That's interesting!" totally forgetting who the OP....

But I've got another Trump story. A 45 year old Trump story.

I took Russian language in high school. Really loved it because aside from the wonderful flow of the phonemes and the fact that the Russian teacher was the best teacher in school, a massive presence who could entertain and terrify at the same time, we had a huge supply of a magazine called "Soviet Life". These magazines were the result of an agreement between the U.S. and U.S.S.R. which encouraged mutual understanding. They published a magazine for Americans in English with stories of life in the Soviet Union. We published a magazine for Russians in Russian with stories about our side of the world. Their magazine was very print heavy with large low definition black and white photos I even remember fingerprints from the dark room visible on a page sized print. Our magazines were a little thinner with glossy color prints. Their magazine piled up mostly unread in our libraries and as it happens in my Russian language schoolroom. I found out that our magazine was gobbled up within minutes of going on sale because I happened by such an event in the USSR one day.

Anyhow, while confined in classroom with little to do I opened one of the Soviet mags and saw a question and answer section about life in Soviet Russia. Someone had asked the question: "What do Soviets think about political jokes?" The answer in the magazine was pretentious and serious, all about having a proper regard for the seriousness of public office and considerations as to proper sense of levity balanced against the need to appreciate humor. But even young ignorant teenager that I was I already knew the correct answer to the question:

"Political jokes are fine, as long as they don't get elected!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 11:57 AM

I moved some of the "Orange clown" posts here and closed the other thread. Seriously, we already have too many Trump threads going, and just as we're trying to restrict the number of UK political threads, it isn't necessary to start a new thread any time some new Trump event or insult happens.

That said, if someone starts a thread where there is a sober discussion of constitutional questions during this time, with good links to responsible journalism, that would be welcome. The closed one was mostly a gloating thread and the content can join the rest of the Trump chatter in this tread.



That thread has been started.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 01:17 PM

The President is certainly a candidate for "Super-Spreader of the Year."

The worst quip I've seen this morning was with regard to Biden's prospects for victory in November: "There is always hope!"

Cheerily,
Charlie Ipcar (previously known as Charley Noble)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 04:54 AM

One way and another I suspect this could save thousands of lives. It could mean the end of the crazy situation where it appears that millions of Trump's true believers see wearing a mask or social distancing as treachery. It's been estimated that if all Americans started to behave rationally in those matters it would cut the predicted death rate over the next few months by a significant amount.

I was watching a White House correspondent on the BBC commenting on the way that the White House atmosphere had totally changed, and instead of no-one wearing masks (the President didn't like them to) they all were.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 05:01 AM

I wish trump and his wife a speedy recovery - then the mocking can restart!!!!!!!! Is he wearing his jacket in hospital I wonder!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 09:41 AM

The gathering in the Rose Garden last week looks like it was a super-spreader event with little social distancing, a lot of glad handing and about 50 mask wearers among about 180 attendees. WTF is wrong with these people, they're suppose to be leading us out of this pandemic.
Essence.com

Fortunately trump was waylaid by the virus before he could hold his event in Green Bay today where public health officials are reporting that their hospitals are overwhelmed with COVID cases.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 10:34 AM

The Rose Garden event has led to 6 confirmed cases, including Mr. Trump. The Supreme Court nominee and her husband have already recovered from the coronavirus infection so they are not a factor.

The Debate in Cleveland has led to 11 confirmed cases among out of state staff informed in planning and set-up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 01:36 PM

Jos, do tell.

I have heard of the last trump and of coming up trumps and of bridge-whist-spades-type trumps, what am I missing?

And I thought Johnson was British, I coulda sworn it came from that Monty Python skit, with John Thomas and one-eyed trouser snake. Which I shall now go find.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 03:07 PM

They are a factor if you can catch COVID-19 again. It hasn't been proven that there is long-term immunity after recovery.


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Subject: RE: Constitutional Questions re Trump has SARS-CoV2
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 03:30 PM

well they are all puppets
The Man in the Mask

Notes: words and music by Malvina Reynolds; copyright 1971 Schroder Music Company, renewed 1999. A portrait of Richard Nixon, and Richard Nixons in general.


Come sit down beside me before the big T.V.
And watch the funny pictures they have there to look at,
Shampoo for your hair and the last polar bear,
And the man on the moon who was walking around
Then left, leaving junk on the once virgin ground.

There's old timey movies with old fashioned dresses,
The kidnap of babies and other such messes,
There's football and baseball and guys selling cars,
And then there's The Man in the Mask.

Chorus:
They say it's his face, but I just can't believe it.
It looks like a mask that I saw in the store.
It talks with deep feeling about ending some war
And stopping inflation, and it's so fantastic,
You'll cry while you're laughing, and roll on the floor.

Every four years he puts a new mask on.
Each one is worse than the one he had before,
But the words are the same and the same earnest manner,
About ending inflation and stopping the war.

The sponsors paid out a million of millions
To get him up there with his magic routine,
But it's really a bargain, 'cause there's such a margin
In war and inflation and the big T.V. screen
That gives us The Man in the Mask.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jos
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 04:44 PM

For Mrrzy

https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/trump-fart.1529620/


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 05:50 PM

‘Trump’ is in very common usage in the UK as a slang term for the act of breaking wind. In my own family it has always been regarded as a somewhat polite term, suitable for children - whereas ‘fart’ is regarded as vulgar.

Donald Trump has thus always been regarded as a figure of ridicule by many British people because of his extremely unfortunate surname.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 05:58 PM

And his grandfather chose it for them. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 07:11 PM

Anybody who went to that super spreader meeting to launch Amy Barrett's nomination without wearing a mask, including Amy Barrett, is clearly so stupid that it would be totally irresponsible to put them on the SupremeCourt, regardless of any other issues.

The same obviously goes for the President, but that's a matter of a much wider electorate. The Senator's have a much more direct responsibility as individuals. Ordinary voters can always be pretty sure their single vote won't make a crucial difference. The Senators don't have that let out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 06:34 AM

I saw a video yesterday on CNN that showed Barret sitting in the White House with her children in close proximty to Melania just before the Rose Garden event and all were maskless.
As for Dr. Conley it seems that everyone in trump's orbit has only a passing acquaintance with the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 09:20 AM

Risking the lives of her children in that way was a breathtaking level of irresponsibility.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 10:22 AM

It seems that with three GOP senators out ill with COVID19 they don't have enough votes for the senate confirmation. Dog works in mysterious ways indeed!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 10:23 AM

If Barret has a confirmation hearing, and I sincerely hope that the religious zealot does not, let's hope that disgraceful little tableau comes up along with her maskless presence at the WH super-spreader event.
A new NBC/WSJ poll has Biden up by 14 points, trump is going to have to go a ways to steal this election but don't think he won't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 10:37 AM

Trump is continuing the negative ads against Biden, despite Biden pulling his negative ads while the pResident is in the hospital. Trump wouldn't understand Grace if it bit him in the ass (which, of course, Grace would never do).


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 01:26 PM

Jos, thank you so much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 05:52 PM

Trump just hopped in a SUV and the presidential motorcade drove around Washington, D.C. A man with COVID-19 just sat in a closed vehicle with supposedly non-COVID-19 staff so he could go wave at supporters.

Seriously. He put all of those people in harms way so he could go wave at his fan base.

Unbelievable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 05:59 PM

I'll be really pissed off if covid kills me but fails to eliminate trump...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 07:24 PM

Here's what Dr. James Phillips tweeted about trump's joy ride today:

"Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary Presidential “drive-by” just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die. For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity."

Daily Kos

By now it should be obvious to even the dullest among us that trump doesn't care about anyone but himself. When I consider the chaos he's going to send this country into as the election nears and his poll numbers continue to flag I gotta say I'm pulling for the virus.


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Subject: RE: Constitutional Questions re Trump has SARS-CoV2
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 03:55 AM

It seems there's nothing this bozo can't turn into a publicity stunt. I suppose it's a lot easier than actually doing your job.


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Subject: RE: Constitutional Questions re Trump has SARS-CoV2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 04:19 AM

He’s totally insane.


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Subject: RE: Constitutional Questions re Trump has SARS-CoV2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 10:18 AM

Apparently trump refused to allow an engineer on to his boat in 1983 because he was black - how appalling.


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Subject: RE: Constitutional Questions re Trump has SARS-CoV2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 10:55 AM

Almost as appalling as the suggestion that defenceless, destitute families fleeing torture, rape, murder in their own countries, and begging the UK for asylum should be sent to Ascension Island, or incarcerated on disused oil rigs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 01:31 AM

Today it was 'discovered' that instead of the 16 or 18 that had been revealed as having tested positive, there are at least 34! Most of them trace to the (outdoor!) event when Coney Bartlett was introduced. She herself is reported to have had the virus in July and recovered but it is not yet known whether a recovered person may still shed virus cells.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 09:48 AM

Ebbie, where did you see that?

I'm thinking the press can work their way through the known individuals at that Sept. 26 event.

This Washington Post article gives you a good look at each attendee. It was updated yesterday.

Here is a New York Timeslook at attendees.

I think the one and only presidential "debate" is all they're going to do. No one in their right mind would want to get near any of the White House crowd who work on Trump events (regardless of the Hatch Act - another issue that seems to be largely ignored by the GOP and White House employees).

There is so very much wrong with how Trump conducts himself and minds the main chance in this office.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Oct 20 - 03:06 AM

“It is high time that we all stopped being tools and victims of totalitarian techniques — techniques that, if continued here unchecked, will surely end what we have come to cherish as the American way of life,”

senator Margaret Chase Smith June 1, 1950


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Oct 20 - 05:11 AM

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/34-people-connected-white-house-previously-infected-coronavirus/story?id=73487381

Sorry, Stilly River Sage, I've forgotten how to make a link.
    Fixed. Joe


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Oct 20 - 01:29 PM

There is a UK TV programme called Frankie Boyle's New World Order, which is essentially a comic programme but of late they have discussed quite a few quite serious topics in amongst it. This week Armando Iannucci was reflecting on a fear he had that if Trump loses, through Trump TV or whatever, states that voted Republican could continue to follow him with bare compliance to federal rulings, and he could remain a major influence on the US through his dedicated followers, who would easily accept the story of a stolen election. This could be a major running sore in the US for years to come.

I have to say it sounded quite plausible to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 20 - 05:16 PM

" (White Nationalists) Stand ready" is a Trump quote. The effect was speeding up the arrest of white nationlists who were going to kidnap and kill the Democratic Govenor of Michigan and law enforcement. In the FBI arresting killers any time to the left of - BOOM - is better than waiting too long. It is hard work being a spy inside hate groups. The othr informers come from the hate groups themselves such as guy who hate the government but ar against killing cops. In a way democracy unravels plots from the inside.

The Trump quote of calling 50,000 armed citizens to watch the polls will have the effect of post election disruption regarding mail in ballots.

If you watch carefully Trump is trying to emulate everything Putin has done from arresting political opponents to election manipulation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 20 - 05:58 PM

Trump will be so mired in legal troubles that he won't have time to direct his misbegotten army. It's clear that the numbers are coming out, his income sources are drying up, his partners in crime are being charged and jailed and Barr is out of dirty tricks.

But this last four months of his "presidency" aren't going to be pretty and it's going to be painful for all. Picking up the pieces is going to take a lot of work come January 20.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: meself
Date: 09 Oct 20 - 05:59 PM

"Stand back ... stand by" is what he said, as I recall. Same implication - but with just the slightest hint of ambiguity which trump, despite his seeming inability to control language, always seems just cunning enough bring to his most dangerous pronouncements.

Btw - nobody seems to be paying much attention to the fact that Pence, like his master, would not commit to a peaceful transition of power. These fascists clearly welcome murder and mayhem - it's not just the madman trump ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Oct 20 - 11:30 PM

That seemed telling to me too, meself. Frankly, Pence surprised me in a number of ways. I already knew I don't like his positions but I took him at his word that he in an honorable man- and he is NOT. I was surprised at his ease in lying without so much as a twitch of an (inflamed) eyelid. He is a lot quieter than the current pResident, almost soporifically so, but obviously he is in the camp he wants to be in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 07:22 AM

Trump and friends want a Covid relief check to go out to everyone 2 weeks before the election. This will put the Post Office in a real bind with ballotts combined with Checks. This is in McConnel's court now if Pelosi can reach a deal.
btw Trump's name is on the stimulus checks.

As for the terrorist American Taliban white nationalists vs. the Army, Navy, Air Force, Space Force and Marines - many of the terrorists are retired Marines. The FBI leads the investigations but local sheriffs call kidnapping govenors "arresting" govenors.

Now a prayer: Lord please let Trump become an example of how not to rest and heal. He could still accidentally save some lives by bad example.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 11:35 AM

In our heart of hearts I think many people wish Trump could experience some of the misery he has visited upon so many.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 01:28 PM

I suppose we can expect something akin to the Comey letter when election day nears, the donald does like to replay his greatest hits over and over. It will be interesting to see the amount of social distancing and masks worn at today's potential super-spreader event at the White House.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Hrothgar
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 08:39 AM

The Last Trump

Andrew Barton ‘Banjo’ Paterson

‘YOU led the trump,’ the old man said
With fury in his eye,
‘And yet you hope my girl to wed!
Young man! your hopes of love are fled,
’Twere better she should die!

‘My sweet young daughter sitting there,
So innocent and plump!
You don’t suppose that she would care
To wed an outlawed man who’d dare
To lead the thirteenth trump!

‘If you had drawn their leading spade
It meant a certain win!
But no! By Pembroke’s mighty shade
The thirteenth trump you went and played
And let their diamonds in!

‘My girl! Return at my command
His presents in a lump!
Return his ring! For understand
No man is fit to hold your hand
Who leads a thirteenth trump!

‘But hold! Give every man his due
And every dog his day.
Speak up and say what made you do
This dreadful thing—that is, if you
Have anything to say!’

He spoke. ‘I meant at first,’ said he,
'To give their spades a bump,
Or lead the hearts, but then you see
I thought against us there might be,
Perhaps, a fourteenth trump!’

They buried him at dawn of day
Beside a ruined stump:
And there he sleeps the hours away
And waits for Gabriel to play
The last—the fourteenth—trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 08:51 AM

Our boneheaded Florida governor and trump sycophant, Pete Desantis, was filmed yesterday at trump's rally in Sanford (where Trayvon Martin was murdered) high fiving mostly maskless attendees and then wiping his nose with the same hand. This sort of recklessness and stupidity from a public official as COVID19 numbers are rising in more than 30 states is mindboggling.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 09:09 AM

That's Ron DeSantis and here's the story:

msn.com


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 09:13 AM

And just like that it's a music thread. Nice one, Hrothgar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 10:58 AM

Trump's first choice for VP was Ivanka not Pense.
Things could always be worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 04:33 AM

Well, Homer Simpson was seen sporting a badge that said "Ivanka 2028".

All done as a humongous joke but as Shakespeare wrote Jesters do oft prove prophets

And "worse" could be if Trump refuses to accept defeat. You have civil war, and civil it won't be!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 10:48 AM

It's more and more clear that he might not ever say the words but everyone will know he was defeated, and he'll be ushered out of the White House when the time comes. I suspect there will have to be some legislative move to take him out of the White House before January 20 when he completely blows a gasket. Trump will prove to be the most repulsive "lame duck" the nation has ever seen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: meself
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 12:57 PM

He and his gang will have almost three months put legal strategies into effect - and with a partisan Supreme Court, who knows what will happen .......?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Oct 20 - 02:42 AM

Words almost fail me, but there is an even more 'out there' story courtesy of the New York Times and coming from a quite literal Trump worshiper: It can only go under the name of- Trump Apotheosis


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Oct 20 - 03:20 AM

Clearly he was as insane as the Fart he worshipped.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Oct 20 - 07:07 PM

I have the PBS News Hour on and was just watching a clip of a Trump speech from this afternoon. He keeps holding his hand up in the "ok" symbol, but that has been identified as now firmly a dogwhistle for the white supremist appropriation.

The 'OK' Hand Gesture Is Now Listed As A Symbol Of Hate. This story is from a year ago, so it isn't like it just popped up now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Oct 20 - 02:58 AM

I detest it when signs and language are taken over to represent extremism. I resent any suggestion that if I use the OK hand sign that I might be associated in any way with white supremacism. It is my language just as much as it is the lowlife's.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Oct 20 - 11:55 AM

Agreed on that.

I didn't watch either event last night. I've already voted, I don't need to make up my mind (and there was never any consideration of Trump ever).

The trouble with people speculating about what he might or might not do is that these folks give him ideas. I wish everyone would shut up and just hunker down till this is completely finished.

I think Biden is going to have to add two more justices to the Supreme court after McConnell is out of power. And Biden is going to have to codify in law a number of things that the Supreme Court decreed that are slowly being chipped away - the most conspicuous are marriage equality and the right to abortion. Once they're laws, the Supreme Court is out of that (for a while, anyway). And they'll need to do it within the first two years if the Democrats sweep the house, senate, and presidency. The "blue dog" Democrats threw a spanner in the works when Obama was first elected, those individuals elected in Republican areas who are determined to hold onto their jobs by going against everything the party is working on the keep their bases happy. Someone will need to take them aside and explain the concept of "greater good."

Did anyone listen to the Barrett hearings when Senator Whitehouse illustrated, very carefully, how the Federalist Society has been supported by a few huge donors and how they move people around but still end up with the same results - that 80 out of 80 decisions that these donors wanted were agreed to, 5-4, by the Supreme Court? I'll have to see if his half-hour was recorded somewhere and post a link. It was a real education.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: meself
Date: 16 Oct 20 - 06:26 PM

I don't know why Biden and Harris don't just say, "Nothing's off the table" or something equally pithy when they're asked about expanding the Supreme Court - their waffling on the question looks ridiculous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Oct 20 - 12:46 AM

Their not answering one question looks ridiculous? What are you doing, applying traditional standards to presidential candidates? Trump waffles dozens of times a day and people don't seem to hold it against him.

Dog help us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: meself
Date: 17 Oct 20 - 01:19 AM

You said it: they don't hold it against trump. But they do hold it against Biden.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 20 - 05:45 AM

I doubt if even many Trumpophiles actually believe a word he says. They just don't think it matters.

Mind, he can speak the truth - I've just been seeing him proclaim to a cheering crowd of the faithful "We are all headed round the curve" - which take it is the same as declaring that he and his supporters are giingriund the bed, which is clearly the case..


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 17 Oct 20 - 08:14 AM

A recent trump waffle would be his petty denial of federal aid to California for those disastrous wildfires. It's a state he has no chance of winning and often uses as a liberal punching bag so therefore he's not interested in the human suffering taking place. No doubt the California GOP congressional delegation howled like banshees, this coming so close to the election, and he relented. Wether it's a flip flop or a waffle it's just another indication of his complete lack of humanity.
I'll take Biden and his "waffles" or "Any Other Reasonable Adult", for that matter, over this odious creature any day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Oct 20 - 08:04 AM

Sorry about the rather strange typo in my last post - for "giingriund the bed" read "going round the bend". Maybe my ipad has picked up a trumpian virus...
.......


Truth - this mudelf corrected several typos and spacing issues, but couldn't make head nor tail of that last collection of letters. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 08:17 PM

The OK sign also means Asshole in ASL...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 10:52 PM

Apparently Trump stormed out of an interview with Leslie Stahl of 60 Minutes. I'm sure that program on Sunday evening will show him leave in all of his petulance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 04:14 AM

I wish that the number of Justices were changed by the new administration to 13. There is nothing sacrosanct about the number in the court- the first number was three. If there were thirteen and Biden filled the four vacancies, a 7 to 6 split would reflect very well where this country is historically, morally and politically.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 09:32 AM

Trump and his Republican sychophants seem intent on dismantling everything that makes the USA the USA. I don't know why anyone would vote for him, or ANY of them.
...of course, I came from a generation where the kids on the playground who were the bad guys were Nazis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 09:27 PM

Ebbie, in the Islamic religion the number 9 is sancrosanct. Count the number spires on the Taj Mahal. Its a more important # than 72.

Stand bake, stand bready.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 10:02 PM

In the coming weeks, the election obstruction and results will define the country for a generation. These are perilous times. Over the last four years, much of what I hold dear has been threatened – democracy, civility, truth. The country is at a crossroads. The Supreme Court hangs in the balance – and with it, the future of abortion and voting rights, healthcare, climate policy and much more. Science is in a battle with conjecture and gut instinct to determine policy in the middle of a pandemic. At the same time, the US is reckoning with centuries of racial injustice – as the White House stokes division along racial lines, violence, institutional corruption and lies.

Villains have a way of coalesing the 'good' and bringing us to the brink of hitting a reset button for our future and our legacy.
Do what makes you proud and be kind. This is coming from someone who has never been on Facebook or Twitter and is possibly a smart thing for you to do for Democracy. That kind of social media we can live without.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 11:20 PM

I am seeing more Biden signs in my neighborhood than Trump signs, and I live in what is considered a GOP stronghold. I hope they're so ashamed of their party and Trump that they aren't promoting the bastard (even if they vote for him on Nov. 3). Or they quietly vote for Biden.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 02:36 AM

Stilly River Sage, I am glad to hear that. Since I am almost entirely home-bound(in self-isolation) I don't get to see campaign signs. I hope it's a good omen. What scares me is that if I were a secret 'admirer' of the trumpet I would be embarrassed to admit it publicly and therefore might not put up a tRump sign. God. I can hardly wait for Election Day and yet I am so scared.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Hrothgar
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 06:25 AM

In the absence of compulsory voting (which I think is the best thing in the Australian political system), it seems that one of the major factors going for Biden will be the number of people who won't vote for him, but can't bring themselves to vote for Trump again - who will abstain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jos
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 07:10 AM

I wouldn't want compulsory voting.
People who were only voting in order to avoid a fine might just put their cross against some candidate without thinking about or even knowing what that candidate intended to do if elected.
An interesting alternative might be a box for a choice of 'None of the above'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 07:21 AM

Donuel - not just define your country, but define the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 07:27 AM

It might be more effective and more popular to combine elections with a free lottery.

The none of the above option opens the question, what do you do when that option gets the most votes. Rerun the election, and you still get the same result...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 09:46 AM

Voting is a duty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: meself
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 10:44 AM

I just read on youtube a comment from an anti-trumper who identifies as a "Christian", and who claims that "most Christians" (I know, I know) support trump because they see that as the way to hasten the "End Times" .... The poster was not being facetious, but explanatory.

It leaves me at a loss for words.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 04:43 PM

Random people were asked "How is Trump actimg?"
man: "He's acting like a crack head."
woman: He's acting cheesy and whines alot"
cowboy: "He'a acting like Yosemite Sam."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 06:18 PM

Who is enough of a glutton for punishment to watch the "debate" tonight? I'm thinking I'll stream some Netflix. I already voted, and the recapped details will be in the ether for a while afterwards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: meself
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 07:37 PM

The only reason to watch is so you'll know what everyone is yapping about for the next couple of days - for the public water-cooler talk, as it were. Or if you've been following the whole rigmarole the way you might a ridiculous sit-com, well, this is just the latest episode.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 10:11 PM

The debate, which I have been watching, has preempted my Star Trek show.

Got my first debate Bingo at 9:30 Mudtcat time. But I kinda cheated, like one square was Schools or Guns.

And "18 angry democrats" is a great name for a rock band. Thank you, Dave Barry, for that concept.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Oct 20 - 07:36 AM

I'm a big Dave Barry fan.

Trump: WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE?

Biden: Now you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 20 - 09:52 AM

Vote for Dull & Dreary , down with Dumb & Destructive.


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Subject: BS: TRUMP WINS 2020 ELECTION
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 20 - 02:05 PM

YOU KNOW HE'S GONNA SAY HE DID even if he doesn't.
Can the Supream Court once again 'prove' it?
Unfortunately covid wins 2020.
Trump might win 200 electoral votes imo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 20 - 04:16 PM

Trump's action, to blow past the COVID precautions at the White House, is apparently totally followed by Pence's office, where five people have come down with the infection. If someone hadn't leaked the news, they wouldn't have said anything about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Oct 20 - 05:19 PM

Today, whilst I was driving back to the mental health clinic
(having gone to cast my vote in person),
I heard on the radio that Mister President
would be speaking at the airport rally
in Manchester, New Hampshire.
Whereupon

I resolved not to listen to the news again for the rest of my drive,
and focused on music station broadcasts instead.
Anyway, yes, I voted.
And my spiral notebook has on it
the little red white and blue sticker
that was given to everybody at Town Hall after voting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 20 - 05:54 PM

Trump is a working class NERO !

he only worked to con.

soon he'll be a zero

once he is good and gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 20 - 02:33 PM

https://brokeassstuart.com/2020/10/27/what-to-do-if-trump-refuses-to-concede/

Political sock puppets


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Oct 20 - 07:52 AM

Where is "Spitting Image" when we need 'em? "Last Week Tonight" can't do the entire job by itself!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 20 - 01:35 PM

I can not see Trump ever going to the grocery store.
I can see Biden going to the ol General store and buying some calico for his wife, 50 lbs of flour and a warm Sarsaparilla drink.
Maybe a copy of Malarchy Monthly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Oct 20 - 04:37 PM

This is the kind of thing that matters. While tweets and shenanigans take our eyes off the ball, we elect folks who get to appoint many many judges and justices and weaken our non-partisan civil service.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Oct 20 - 04:59 PM

"Where is "Spitting Image" when we need 'em? "

New series of Spitting Image is on BritBox.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 20 - 08:08 PM

It feels like we are in the days of Deathly Hollows part 2.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 20 - 08:01 AM

The former GOP is now the PWG PARTY of WHITE GRIEVENCE and faces a referendum. With Selecting Barbie Coney Barret for the SUPREME COURT the court is now 100% Catholic. I'm for diversity and am not anti catholic although I am anti cult.

I don't know if she is Mel Gibson's dad catholic or not. Signs point to extreme cultism as a member of People of Praise. Does she think the Spaniish Inquision had good people on both sides? I don't know. She wouldn't say. I get the feeling she is a classicly trained liar.

A solution is expanding a reformed court. Court packing sounds bad like Fudge packing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 20 - 09:56 AM

If you are an ass hole who likes to out shout, show weapons, insult and disrespect others - there is MORE for you to do with Traffic.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/01/trump-caravans-snarl-traffic-on-garden-state-pkwy-mario-cuomo-bridge/

To be fair and balanced the left also fucks with traffic
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35854279

The FBI is investigating how trump pick up truck caravans tried to run the Biden Harris bus off the highway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Nov 20 - 04:59 PM

Um Kagan and Breyer are jewish...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 09:26 AM

Let the Don'l overflow of quickly written misinformative utterances proceed. When we learn to deal with it, we learn to deal with Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 06:16 PM

robomatic I am glad you still support freedom of speech and independant judgement of my supplied links. I pay close attention to your aeronautical posts, you are practically an amateur expert. I would like your opinions on canards but you seem hostile toward me again in an amusing way. You are sounding much the same as you did 20 years ago, but with a name like robomatic I expect repetition. Robo its time you present evidence for your claims if you want to regress back to your old flame war stance. Who knows, I might believe you. :^?

I assume Trump is still tweeting too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 07:03 PM

DonTrumpuel!

You are the replacement for the Chump. You post maybe truths and maybe falses and you take back nothing. It's a guessing game with you like the clock that doesn't run.

I am not hostile to you nor the other trump. I merely point out that your posts are haphazard as to truth and relevance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 08:35 AM

It is debatable if Donald J Trump will EVER deliver a concession speech
but I have the exclusive copy of an initial concession speech approved by the President and written by Bannon and Miller. It was leaked to me by the White House Dry Cleaner who found this copy in a suit jacket along with a bottle of Viagra and steroids:

"Four score and seven votes short of victory shows fraud - but the only fraud is fraud itself. Nobody is a President like ME.
You are not going to have President Trump to be kicked around and fake newsed anymore because I will continue the cause to make my cause ME.      Everybody knows Biden was not born in this country and his son's emails in Ukraine will lock Joe up. -long pause- There is no Covid, only crazy doctors bribed to report fake deaths.
America, I love it, has ruthlessly attacked me and my family. January second is a date which will iive in infamy. This coup you must stand ready to fight in the bars, the churches the suburbs and the fields.
You know who to obey! Thank you."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 09:04 AM

page 2- one liners

Make America Great Again, If you are white you're right, If its too close to call its fraud, Antifa did it, You know in your heart you have to Trump, We'll see, Everybody says I'm number 1, Its all fake video and audio, I'm immune and so are you, Open America, open the brothels, the bars, the churches, the schools, the hospitals, Ther were good people on one side, reach for Bleach and Oxy, STOP THE VOTE...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 10:13 AM

...but only in states where I'm ahead...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 10:31 AM

btw, The dry cleaner was also blind and Ukrainian.

Stop the vote, continue the vote, massage the vote, pee on the vote... he is all over the place in the desperate bizarre death throws of 'winning fatigue' (the new Republican term for defeat).


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 12:14 PM

Trump has no standing to in any way, shape, or form affect the states as they count their votes. And I've heard comments that the supposed lawsuits appear to have been written by a child, they don't address all of the features such as harm and remedy, that would normally be included in such documents.

Maybe he'll blow an aneurism and put us all out of our misery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 09:54 PM

I ignored the news all day and just now turned on the news. I made the right decision.

I heard that Nevada is not releasing its totality of count until they hear the media pronounce their name correctly. ('vad' to rhyme with 'vat').


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 09:59 PM

nEWT gINGRICH, lEWANDOWSKI, mCcONNEL, jIM jORDEN AND hANNITY are all playing the victim card and are like lambs to the slaughter of vote stealing. They are appealing to the PEOPLE to rise up. I bet they will rise up long enough to find their remote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 09:34 AM

Ted Cruz has added his voice to the fraud conspiracy. It seems all is forgiven for Trump's attack against Ted's wife and father.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 07:49 AM

No, I can't forget that evening
Or Fox News as votes were leaving
But I guess that's just the way the story goes
I always yell but in my eyes my anger grows
Yes, it grows
No, I can't forget tomorrow
When I think of all my sorrows
When I had the white house then they turned it off
And now it is not fair they turned off the power
The fucking power
I can't lie, if lieing is without power
I can't grift, I can't gripe any more
Can't live, if living is without TV
I can't tweet, I can't tweet any more
Well, I can't forget that evening
Or the disgrace of losing
But I guess that's just the…


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 09:07 PM

Fred Trump, Donald J.'s father, described
in Mary Trump's book as a sociopath,
owed much to Elisabeth, his widowed mother,
for bringing him into business in New York
after his father's death.
Fred was a minor, and needed Elisabeth's patronage (matronage??)
to get started.

When the formidable widow Elisabeth was elderly,
and her progeny successful,
she would go around to the Trump family residential properties,
proceed to the coin-operated laundry provided for tenants there,
and empty the coin-operated machines of their coins.

Whenever I wash my dirty laundry at
a coin-operated laundromat,
I shall remember the Trump dynasty, henceforth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 09:45 PM

Robomatic, you cracked me up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 03:13 AM

Trump has farted and thus departed, graffiti toilet wall 2020


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 05:35 AM

One thing the donald and his various GOP ass-kissers hasn't explained yet, in all of his lathered ranting about voter fraud, is why the perfidious Democrats deprived him of the presidency but didn't bother to ensure a Democratic majority in the senate while they were rigging the vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 06:41 AM

Pardon me, excuse me, pardon me, EXcuse me! PARDON ME

Trump is on the verge of pardoning HIMSELF!

It has never happened before and although this is only a prediction, pardons will be coming for his kids and cons. Who he does not pardon will be his vengeful punishment.

My prediction for Trump electoral votes was 207. It stands at 214. For Trump to successfully pardon himself is unlikely. Will he try? You betcha.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 11:55 AM

On self-pardons https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-the-presidential-self-pardon-debate

"Richard Nixon reportedly asked for an internal legal opinion about the option of a self-pardon towards the end of his presidency. The President’s lawyers said he had the power to issue a self-pardon, but Nixon declined to do so.

But just before Nixon’s resignation, the Justice Department Office of Legal Council issued its own memo on the subject, on August 5, 1974. “Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the President cannot pardon himself,” said Mary C. Lawton, Acting Assistant Attorney General."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 08:01 AM

This photo of Melanias's reaction to Donald on Veterans day shows me the terror she feels from his depression, rage and delusion over the election. ah oh


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Nov 20 - 08:45 AM

”This photo of Melanias's reaction to Donald on Veterans day shows me the terror she feels from his depression, rage and delusion over the election. ah oh”

Link doesn’t work - error code 401.

Replaced with working link. Yahoo images in "Melania 'distances' herself from Trump in Veterans Day photos" ---mudelf


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Nov 20 - 04:37 PM

Trump is live from the Rose Garden on TV announcing the readiness of the vaccine (General distribution in April) and how it will not be shipped to New York for some reason until the New York Governor somehow approves it.

Odd that it's not the VP who is supposedly the titular head of the National response allowed to make such announcements. Furthermore, the white house website which usually airs live briefings is not airing this one.

The Trumpster sounds as addled as ever, quoting whatever figures he's cherry-picked for the 'now'.

First public speaking since the election, and still going on, so I don't know if he's going to take questions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 06:31 AM

Has anyone heard of Trump's addiction to amphetamine - namely Adderall?
Noel Casler has plenty to say on the subject. And blames some of the antics on it. He says it stiffens the top lip and there are plenty of images that support the effect on Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 08:16 AM

Sorry. its already a famous photo

WHERE DOES TRUMP GO FROM HERE?
He is actually planning a streaming service to continue his omnipresence. Of course it will be an existing platform like Newmax that is to the right of Fox with its sister channel AHC (All Hitler Channel 24 7)
Programing will include segments like; Trumps Hip Hop tour of Alaska, Stormy Danials Rains, Diamond and Silk, The Greatest Trump tweets, Trumps Virgin birth AND Movies like 'Gone with the Wind', Birth of a Nation, Wall St., Greed is Good, Home Alone and lots of Mel Gibson movies. The streaming service will also serve as a Presidential Book-free Library.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 08:31 AM

I may even tune in to watch the show 'COD Piece' which covers the Conspiracy of the Day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 10:08 AM

Mr. Red OMG that link with Noel Casler was so in depth I could not look away. The ugly truth was so odiferously horrific you can not do anything but stare for an hour.
That is one dangerous link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV9PJQUXsKM

It is like how one would believe a Private more than a General.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 03:48 PM

In the meantime, Fresh Air on Thursday had a show whose subject was the various ways that President (for the next couple months) Trump could yet impose his personality on things American and beyond:

what trump might do with his remaining weeks in office

It calls for a somewhat moderate strong stomach. Or, skip lunch first.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jos
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 04:18 PM

I'm not opening any links for which I might need a strong stomach.
It's bad enough seeing all these adverts for earwax - they really make me feel ill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: meself
Date: 14 Nov 20 - 06:42 PM

Ah! Nice to know I'm not the only prissy one ... !


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 07:58 AM

Perhaps it is an obscure reference to what America should have done to Don long ago. Ear whacks

ie box his ears


OK, OK, I'll get my coat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 20 - 08:18 AM

The FBI has reported an historic all time high in hate crimes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 02:51 PM

Trump is telegraphing to the Iranians and Taliban in Afghanistan that he's removing troops (even though the House, Senate, and Joint Chiefs of Staff don't want the change). Trump seems to be intent on getting more people killed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 19 Nov 20 - 09:01 AM

Over hear we are not hearing much about the turnip in the news. Is it because he is now just sulking with his thumb stuck in his mouth, or is it because the turnip is now a nobody who tantrums are no longer newsworthy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Nov 20 - 09:07 AM

Silence is golden but it may only hide evil and not help stop it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Nov 20 - 09:50 AM

I am reminded of accidentally dripping hot wax from a red candle onto one of my twins while making a jack-o-lantern, he must have been around 3. He yelps, I say sorry, and he looks at the red drops on his forearm and asked, is that blood? I said no, dear, it's candle wax. His little face screwed up and he wailed, but why did it whack meeeeee?
Thank you for that memory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Nov 20 - 12:14 PM

Trump says donors are paying for recounts - they aren't.
Re election $ goes directly to Trump (not the Republican party) for maga marches and endless rallies.
This is the age of brown shirts and political street violence, or so Trump hopes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Elmore
Date: 19 Nov 20 - 10:01 PM

Madness. Trump and company have pushed me over the edge with their attempt to bully Michigan legislators into invalidating the presidential election. So, I did what any irate Democratic Socialist avowed agnostic 79 year old would; drank a half bottle of Scotch. and sent 25 bucks to Bobby Schuller for his 2021 Hour of Power calendar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 08:31 AM

After trying to buy and or intimidate electoral college electors and state legislatures his denoument is the supreme court. ""Et tu Amy?""
The last hope is a Pentagon Coup but he only has some recently appointed loyalists there. Then its just him and his cell phone.

Out of power he still will have Trump TV and the Real American Taliban Militias.

ps I knew a Robert Mueller. He was the son of Heinrich Mueller the butcher of Cyprus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 08:54 AM

I've been to Cyprus three times but can't speak for the butchers there. But I do know an excellent butcher in Benahadux in Almería province in Andalucía...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 12:11 PM

What about the ancient carved caves of Malta?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 12:35 PM

I'll go there one day and let you know. It's on the bucket list.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 05:46 PM

On the serious side, Florida and some other like minded states are introducing an EXPANDED 'stand your ground law' by making it a felony to block traffic BUT a person who kills people with a gun may be considered innocent under justifiable homocide law as long as they say they were protecting business' from protesters.

Technically you face 5 to 10 years for crossing the street while a killer with an AK can murder legally.

These laws remind me of the anti Juden laws in the 30's.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 21 Nov 20 - 06:45 AM

Just curious, at what point would a court make a distinction between the legitimacy of taking a pot shot to protect premises just because the business owner doesn't like the look of the protestor, and a protestor who is violently trying to gain entry to a premises.

Also, and more importantly, would a court apply the laws equally to a white supremacist protestor intimidating a business run by a black person.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Nov 20 - 03:35 PM

Trump seems to want to continue to collect money from the public so has suggested he will run for office again in 4 years. So he may try to keep that militia of right-wing gun-toting lunatics stirred up (as a big chunk of his voting base).


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 20 - 07:38 PM

Rittenhouse arrested for murder, the kid with an AK 47 at a protest, is out on 2 million dollars bail. I assume right wing $ is involved.
The problem with the street violence Trump wants to magnify is that Antifa is more of an illusion than a real organized movement like the Communists in Hitler's Germany.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Neil D
Date: 22 Nov 20 - 09:43 PM

This odd fellow Nero was surely no hero
Drunk on wine and playing his lyre
While people were dying and Rome was on fire
And then there was Trump

Things got hairy under Queen Bloody Mary
A hag with a heart made of stone
London was grim and England quite scary
Gravediggers grew callouses trying to bury
All those she killed when she took the throne
And then there was Trump

And Marie Antoinette who infamously said
Shortly before she would soon lose her head
When told that the people were lacking in bread
Wondered why they didn't enjoy a nice pastry instead
And then there was Trump

Hitler and Stalin, God you should have seen 'em
A couple of Hell's wickedest demons
Who slaughtered tens of millions between 'em
And then there was Trump

When history tots up every foul evil ruler
From the imbecilic drooler
To the dumpster fire fueler
Trying to judge which was the crueler
Well then there was Trump


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Neil D
Date: 22 Nov 20 - 09:47 PM

Oh, by the way Donuel there was right wing $ involved in footing Rittenhouse's bail. It was Mike Lindell, the My Pillow guy and former child actor Ricky Schroder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Nov 20 - 10:33 PM

Right now there is a 60 Minutes article about the large number of school-age kids who are 'off the grid' as in, they were in school last year, but haven't shown up in schools or on line, in the E-12 timeline. I'm not saying that our fearless leader is responsible for this. I am saying that the lack of organized response to our Covid Crisis that emanates from the top down has played a big part in a coming sub-population of non or under-educated citizens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 Nov 20 - 05:53 AM

What;s an E-12 - sounds like a food additive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Nov 20 - 06:00 AM

It looks like trump is in for a very active retirement and it won't be all tee times and liasons with pornstars.

WaPo


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Nov 20 - 09:51 AM

Listing all the kindred spirits in style and substance would be all well and good but it is a talent I don't have with names, especially fake names. Critics are just as helpful in the long run but are names easier to remember probably due to 'threat memory'.

It does not feel like a world of right or wrong anymore.
It feels like SANE or INSANE.

Perhaps it has always been the case but its more obvious to me now.
I have always supported helping people regain their sanity...
But where and how do we profit to help Trump to regain a sanity he has never had? Sometimes there is no cure. I only know that truth and its delivery system humor, is an effective vaccine to stem the infection of insanity.

It is my belief more insanity is learned than are born with it.
Insanity itself is a pandemic. I repeat
Insanity itself has its own pandemic today.
Socially distancing ourselves from insanity has always been done.
When the insane gather on social media, infection spreads uncontrolably.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 08:20 AM

SPB-Cooperator: E-12 is a reference to U.S. educational progress of Elementary school through 12th grade, the final year of high school.

Apparently the Current Occupant's tweets have yielded a guarded concession to the idea of transition should all the bogus moves to reverse the actual election fail, which they are doing.

It's so hard to believe that there will be no repercussions to the myriad of Republican legislators and of course FOX bloviaters who have basically lambasted the orderly progression of American institutions. There seems to be no sense of the ludicrous or even basic irony between what they have alleged of the other side and what they are performing in broad daylight right now, seeking to overturn popular votes, insisting that there is evidence without any citations of evidence. Accusing everyone but themselves of base motives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 06:56 PM

Bannon awaits his trial regarding fraud
Trump awaits charges from NYS

After that it looks like prosecution for others will be up to the voters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 09:02 PM

Flynn, former national security advisor and agent for Turkey, got a presidential pardon via tweet.


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