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BS: Fun with maps

Mrrzy 06 Jun 20 - 12:50 PM
Mr Red 07 Jun 20 - 04:40 AM
Jos 07 Jun 20 - 07:24 AM
Jack Campin 07 Jun 20 - 07:44 AM
Senoufou 07 Jun 20 - 07:51 AM
Mrrzy 07 Jun 20 - 09:08 AM
Stilly River Sage 07 Jun 20 - 11:00 AM
JHW 09 Jun 20 - 02:32 PM
Senoufou 09 Jun 20 - 03:05 PM
Bill D 09 Jun 20 - 05:13 PM
BobL 10 Jun 20 - 03:48 AM
Mr Red 10 Jun 20 - 05:10 AM
Senoufou 10 Jun 20 - 07:17 AM
Mrrzy 10 Jun 20 - 10:35 AM
Mr Red 12 Jun 20 - 03:17 AM
Senoufou 12 Jun 20 - 04:22 AM
Raedwulf 12 Jun 20 - 01:24 PM
Raggytash 12 Jun 20 - 01:50 PM
Senoufou 12 Jun 20 - 02:40 PM
Raedwulf 12 Jun 20 - 05:38 PM
Senoufou 12 Jun 20 - 05:49 PM
Mrrzy 14 Jun 20 - 11:47 AM
Senoufou 14 Jun 20 - 11:56 AM
Mo the caller 15 Jun 20 - 11:11 AM
Jack Campin 15 Jun 20 - 11:14 AM
Mr Red 15 Jun 20 - 11:49 AM
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Subject: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 12:50 PM

Found a bunch of map-related threads but none were germaine...

This site was being advertised as a father's day gift generator but it is just a cool thing...

Grafomap, for those who don't click without info.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:40 AM

you can have a whole lottafun with What3Words.com - the three words defining any 3 metre square on the planet can have amusing descriptive triads eg:
Trump St, London
///move.influencing.future
///economies.wrong.pardon
///filer.detect.hurt
///laws.films.badly

Capitol Hill Washington, DC
///cover.power.bravo
///aims.vouch.shared
///fades.bills.folds
and fortuitously ///tried.maps.towns !

and what does it say about your town?


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Jos
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 07:24 AM

Suffolk as well as Norfolk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 07:44 AM

Pightle is pingle in the northern half of Britain. There is a plaque in the church at Youlgrave, Derbyshire, which records donations of land to the church funds. Somebody in the 1700s gave them Barearse Pingle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 07:51 AM

Ah, I didn't know that Jos. Must be those ancient Angles/Saxons who gave us the word.
And I didn't know about the word pingle. I'd like to live in Barearse Pingle/Pightle, but I'd be a bit chilly going around with a bare arse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 09:08 AM

We don't smoke! We don't chew! NORfolk! NORfolk! NORfolk U!


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 11:00 AM

Yesterday I posted this map to another thread. It's an interesting way to keep track of the weather and see how it reacts to landforms.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: JHW
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 02:32 PM

In case anyone didn't know I'm a Norfolker. Born in Norwich.

Once stayed in a pub in Over Peover.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 03:05 PM

I just looked that up JHW, and I see it's in Cheshire.
Bill Bryson finds the hilarious place names of UK so intriguing.
('Notes on a Small Island' and 'Mother Tongue')
Didn't know you were from Naaaarwich bor! We're nearer to Dairem (not far from Spaaaaarham), and before that lived in Nooton. (Sinfaze)
When I first looked at a map of our village and the surrounding area, I was amazed at the amount of water. The Wensum, numerous lakes and streams, pools and ponds. No wonder we get so many water birds here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 05:13 PM

As SRS says, there are interesting ways to follow weather..like
Windy dot com many details


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: BobL
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 03:48 AM

FWIW, when I lived in Cheshire many years ago, a "pightle" was a pitchfork.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 05:10 AM

OK, so the pronunciation should be?

piei-tul and ping-ul ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 07:17 AM

Yes Mr Red, 'pie-tull', a small field or paddock. Our row of bungalows was built in a field. But I'm forever having to spell our road's name over the phone. Also, a few years ago I stupidly scraped our old Meriva while looking for Halloween pumpkins to buy, and the insurance lady sounded annoyed that I was teasing her when I explained where it had happened... Fustyweed! (It's on maps)


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 10:35 AM

Who wrote all those books named for British pubs?


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Jun 20 - 03:17 AM

There used to be a lot of pubs called "the Marquis of Granby" because they were started by retired soldiers of the Marquis, who loaned them money to get them started. He was well regarded by his soldiers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jun 20 - 04:22 AM

I have very strong views about British pub names. I think they should be 'listed' and kept, because they represent an important part of our history (such as Mr Red's point about 'the Marquis of Granby')
In a village near us, there was a historic pub called The Crown (very common pub name). Been there for centuries. New people took it over and called it 'Ruby Tuesday'. Ridiculous.
Our own village pub was called the Fox and Hounds, again for centuries.
Political correctness has changed it to just The Fox. And its beautifully painted sign showing a hunt is now a stylised, modern cartoon-type of thing of a fox. Horrible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Jun 20 - 01:24 PM

Pightle - "pie-tle", I imagine, Sen? Now you've told me the name of your road (more or less), I shall be stalkin' 'ee, lass! ;-)

There are a lot of fantastic map sites out there, depending on what you want you them for. I've been writing a series of not very serious "Streets of London" things for a small group of friends on Facebook; a bit etymology, a bit random obscure (mostly) facts; so I've been squinting (often) at old maps from time to time recently. If you like that sort of thing, there are some fantastic sites out there.

Leake's 1667 map of London

The Agas Map of London

The Agas Map is a bit of a misnomer; it used to be thought that Robert Agas made it, but it's the earliest authentic & complete map of London we have. That is, literally, just a couple. It takes a bit of patience sometimes, but if you're keen on genuine maps, there's a lot of stuff out there.

British Library is another one, though it's a bit of a sod to navigate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Jun 20 - 01:50 PM

Many years ago I went up the Orkney islands, could can imagine my surprise when driving down a road I was confronted with a sign that told me I was in Twatt.

My fevered imagination thought up this. Just imagine being stopped by the constabulary in a far away part of the country.

"Evening sir, it this your car"

"Er yes, yes it is"

"Can I ask you where your going sir"

"Twatt"

"No need for that sir, where are you from"

"Twatt"

"No need at all for that sir, it was a polite question, now just where are you going"

"Twatt!!"

"Got a right one 'ere Charlie, get the cuffs"


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jun 20 - 02:40 PM

Ah but Raedwulf, there are several streets in Norfolk villages called Pightle this and that. (But not many with a very black man resident) We'll keep an eye out for you!

I was discussing pub names with an elderly neighbour just this afternoon (socially distanced of course) and he told me there used to be an old pub in Stibbard called The Whippet. He said all the lads referred to it as The Whippet Inn. I nearly fell of The Bench laughing. He's a bit of a wag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Jun 20 - 05:38 PM

Well, I'd say "Oi loiks a lass 'oo plays 'ard to get", but honestly, Sen! How many clues do you want to hand out*? I've still not looked, but don't be surprised to see a PM that starts "Gotcha!"

* Never mind the fact I'm sure you've said before "where". But I'd have to wade back through I don't how much... Much more fun to do it this way. As the bishop said to the actress! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jun 20 - 05:49 PM

Hee hee Raedwulf! Just look for a village with a pair of mad swans, a tame red deer, a sow on the loose, a blackbird that sings Jingle Bells and an African chap covered in sploshes of grey paint (he's been painting the high school doors). That will be us!


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Jun 20 - 11:47 AM

And a flying bald mouse, Senoufou!


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Jun 20 - 11:56 AM

Ah oui Mrrzy! Il y a plusieurs chauve-souris qui volent autour de notre maison le soir. Pipistrelles. Et tu es beinevenu/e de descendre pour te chauffer aux pieds chauds d'Ibrahima l'Africain!


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mo the caller
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 11:11 AM

A Pingle (in Staffordshire) is a 'wooded dell' according to Ken Alexander who wrote a dance called Pride of the Pingle.(After someone from a housing estate called the Pingle.) This crossed the Atlantic and someone thought it must be called after the Irish town so called it Pride of Dingle, and called a figure from the dance that she borrowed for a dance of her own a 'dingle'

So how many names for wooded valleys are there? Pingle, dingle, clough, chine (Blackgang chine on the IOW)


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 11:14 AM

If Batwoman had been French:

La Femme Chauve-Souris


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 11:49 AM

So how many names for wooded valleys are there

    bosk
    brushwood
    coppice
    thicket
    boscage
    clump
    underbrush
    brake
    brushwood
    bush
    chaparral
    coppice
    covert
    grove
    wood
    spinny


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 07:26 AM

“Holt” is an old Germanic word (and English, with its Anglo-Saxon ancestry, is a Germanic language) for a wood, a forested area.

“Hanger” also comes from an old Anglo-Saxon term; it means a wood on a slope, like the forest on Wenlock Edge.

https://hokku.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/on-wenlock-edge-the-gale-of-life-and-emotion/


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Jos
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 08:10 AM

Eliza, I found my way to a village on street view with a road named after a Pightle. I wandered about virtually and found a bungalow with a bench outside and a bird table, but there was no African to be seen, so I don't know if it is your house. I didn't see any mad swans or deer or errant sows or blackbirds. I might go for another virtual walk around later on and have a look at the older part of the village, maybe they will be there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Raedwulf
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 10:47 AM

Ah, I see Freddy came up with Holt & Hanger (Birchanger, near Stanstead, still has some of the ancient wood on it). Well done sir! I'm not sure that Mo's chine is correct though. A chine is a coastal ravine, rather than a wooded valley. Which isn't to say that it couldn't be wooded, but...


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mo the caller
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 10:54 AM

OK. It's a long while since I went to Blackgang Chine. Seem to remember trees but it was certainly coastal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 02:54 AM

There is a firm around our parts that goes by the name of Cops & Loggers

And I too Streetviewed Pigthle and saw a bungalow on a corner. I use it to view the area that I am about to go looking for my OS Bench Marks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 03:32 AM

Mr Red, I had a look at the Streetview pictures, and they're ever so old! Our bungalow has a 'For Sale' sign outside - well, we've been here a number of years, so that must have been filmed long ago.
I feel a bit 'stalked' by all this! I imagine a posse of Mudcatters in a procession coming along our street, carrying banners, knocking on our door and demanding crumpets and Old Speckled Hen ale!
I've asked Joe to help by deleting any identifying posts. I've been rather silly I suppose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Jos
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 04:05 AM

I'm sorry if you feel stalked, but it is best to let people know that they shouldn't give away too much information.
(If I do ever come your way I'll ask first, and I won't demand crumpets, I'll bring them.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 04:13 AM

My dear Jos, you'd be most welcome, and no need to bring crumpets as we have the National Collection of them! Plus best butter. (Hope you're not on a diet?)
You're quite right of course, people (such as me!) shouldn't give away too much information on the Internet.
Ah well, I'm hoping the excellent Joe Offer can sort it out for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Jos
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 04:41 AM

If I do come I'll bring some Old Speckled Hen, then, and a couple of my other favourites. And I love butter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Jos
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 05:45 AM

At the bottom right-hand corner of my streetview in tiny writing it says "Image capture: Oct 2009". I expect it is possible to update it but I haven't investigated how it could be done. If I switch to the satellite view it says 'Imagery ©2020 Google' and it is obviously taken at a different time as some of the gardens have changed considerably. Judging by the satellite view of my house I would say it was taken last summer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Jun 20 - 01:42 AM

Streetview is far more confusing than that. One pass near the Swan in Sidmouth shows a little car park that as you move around reveals instead, a house. I remember both too.

And in St Ives, Cornwall the Barclays Bank can appear different at different visits and at different qualities. I put this down to the Google servers that may be on line/accessed at any moment, or the chronic BT Broadband that varies in speed, so the resolution of the images changes and hence their dates.

Has anyone ever seen a Google Mapping Car? I saw it 3 years ago going into the car park behind our doctors', I have photos. And even the Apple Wagon, came right up to my kerb and reversed out (a cul de sac). I knew what it was from the 4 lidar and cameras, but had to Google it (ha) to see it as Apple. They are both on my pictures of my town in 2017 (scroll down) - you can tell I carry a 20X zoom camera pretty much all the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 08:33 AM

America: a nation divided, again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 10:35 AM

And these

https://www.farandwide.com/s/hilarious-maps-united-states-12a377382e2d43a3?utm_campaign=hilariousmapsus-4b326ab6074d46fa&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=oat&utm_term=NEWS_US

Blicky.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 12:49 PM

forebears.io gives maps of surname prevalence. I didn't expect the results I got for mine.

Has something gone wrong with Mudcat? There are two of my posts here, one from an unrelated thread and one placed out of context (misdated?).


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 01:19 PM

Jack Campin - re Pightle is Pingle, I am mildly curious as to where the 'northern half of Britain' delineation is?
Hope you are not confusing England/Britain/Uk....?!


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Jos
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 01:22 PM

Jack, both your earlier posts are related to the conversation around them, but there was a post deleted at one point, which is why your first post seems out of context.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 02:26 PM

Norfolk 'n good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 02:44 PM

I spent wayyy to much time on that far and wide site.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Oct 20 - 02:50 PM

Pingle is indeed a northern-half-of-Britain word. The isogloss separating it from Pightlestan is somewhere south of Derbyshire. Isoglosses just about never follow political boundaries.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Oct 20 - 03:17 PM

When I studied Phonetics as part of my University course, we were told there is an imaginary line dividing North from South phonetically, and the relative accents (which are legion in UK!) are quite distinguishable on either side. It extends from The Wash directly West across the country. But I tend to believe it's not as simple as that.

I was a Nosy Parker this morning, as neighbour-across-the-road's husband told me to look on the satellite picture of next-door-neighbour and see his back 'garden' (which is not visible being surrounded by high fences) I did, and it looks like a huge junk yard or Corporation tip! But the tip-owner is a lovely chap and has fixed our garage roof today, and we love all our neighbours, so nosiness isn't nice.
I'm quite tickled to be living in Pightlestan! Norfolk n' good it is!


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Oct 20 - 03:43 PM

I am reminded of an old cheer, We don't smoke! We don't chew! Nor...folk, Nor...folk, Nor...folk U!

And then there is this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mo the caller
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 07:04 AM

Mr Red said (back in June)So how many names for wooded valleys are there

    bosk
    brushwood
    coppice
    thicket
    boscage
    clump
    underbrush
    brake
    brushwood
    bush
    chaparral
    coppice
    covert
    grove
    wood
    spinny
"
I'm not convinced that all of those words imply valleys. Coppice is a way of managing woodland. I thought a covert was cover for game. And wood, spinney and grove just suggest trees to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Jos
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 08:39 AM

I agree. All of them merely suggest wooded areas or groups of trees and/or bushes.
And 'brushwood' appears twice - it means cut branches and twigs, or twigs and branches on the ground where they have fallen below the trees and bushes.
Any of them might occur in valleys, but not necessarily.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fun with maps
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 09:15 AM

There is a particular grouping of trees on a highway out of town where the local force likes to hide for speed-trap purposes. It's a copse.


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