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RTim 02 Jun 20 - 10:20 PM
Jack Campin 03 Jun 20 - 03:06 AM
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Steve Gardham 03 Jun 20 - 08:00 AM
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Subject: New Song Book Available soon...
From: RTim
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 12:26 PM

SOUTHERN SONGSTER
ENGLISH FOLK SONGS FROM THE HAMMOND AND GARDINER MANUSCRIPTS
Selected by Nick Dow
Musical notation by Cohen Braithwaite-Kilcoyne
With notes by Steve Gardham
The Hammond and Gardiner manuscripts are amongst the most important nineteenth-century collections of English folk song.

PRE-ORDER – AVAILABLE IN JUNE
£15.00
https://francisboutle.co.uk/products/southern-songster/?fbclid=IwAR28KTHsFQdPjptlTqxBOzdd2_-wrSvM2xGwnza_nZUyYpLpHuCgMvSJBn8

It is over fifty years since Frank Purslow edited Marrow Bones, the influential book of folk songs collected by Robert and Henry Hammond and George Gardiner in Hampshire and Dorset between 1905 and 1908. Purslow went on to produce The Wanton Seed, The Constant Lovers and The Foggy Dew (the last two reprinted in 2017 as Southern Harvest) – 350 songs in all out of a total of 2,400. Southern Songster makes available a further 100 songs and ballads that have not seen the light of day for over a century. There are some unique tunes and texts, as well as interesting versions of songs already visited by Purslow.
The musical notation has been supplied by Cohen Braithwaite Kilcoyne, and the song notes have been supplied by Steve Gardham who has added considerably to our knowledge of these important nineteenth-century collections, while Tim Radford introduces ten chanties.
Above all this book is a collection of songs to to be sung and we hope that the new generation of singers who are raising the flag for traditional folk song will find our volume as important as the invaluable works of the late Frank Purslow.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: RTim
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 10:20 PM

Some one must have a comment...? But this brings up to the top again..

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 03:06 AM

Stellar cast of people involved in producing it. Should be great.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: GUEST,guest (Dawn)
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 03:48 AM

ordered!


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 08:00 AM

Still a bit of proofing needed but a matter of a couple of weeks should see it off. Too kind, Jack! But thanks.

Thanks for the heads up, Tim.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 08:16 AM

Looking forward to it - it seems great value considering it's importance
One of these days someone will tackle the Grainger collection - and, dare one suggest, make a better job of the BBC project
These collections are essential to our understanding of our song heritage
Is there going to be a hardback edition - I can see this being very used ?
Thanks
Jim


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 08:27 AM

Also ordered


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 05:51 PM

Nick said something about the previous volume Southern Songster getting another run-off.

The only one that I know is still available is Marrow Bones. EFDSS have several copies for sale I'm told. Although we worked together on the notes, Malcolm's detailed stamp is marked all over it.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: RTim
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 06:32 PM

I believe The Wanton Seed has been given a new printing.....

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 04:45 AM

It is worth mentioning that if you do not read music, every single song has a Midi file available. Click on the file and it plays the tune. They are being submitted to the Full English Website under each song, or you can have them from me as a transfer when the book is purchased.
The book has been a long time coming but I think it will be worth it.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: RTim
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 10:21 AM

Good News Nick...How will they be indexed on the Full English site - ie. if a song is made of from more than one source...which source song will they be under..??

Tim Radford (and looking forward to see all...)


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 11:37 AM

The best way would be to search by singer and Roud number, in advanced search, then scroll down the result to the Midi.
The gentleman who looks after the Midi files for the Full English lives in Australia. We submitted the files to him in the acceptable format about two months ago. I have no idea if they have been attached on the website as yet. I'll have a look when I can.
Nick


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon...
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 02:05 PM

Tim, presumably the midi file will be attached to whoever's version we took the tune from. That seems reasonable. Although some texts, as in previous volumes, have been collations, the tunes are all single source.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: RTim
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 03:01 PM

Steve....(and Nick).....When I wrote I was not thinking as clearly as I should have...Yes, your answer is now obvious to me....and I also had a peek at the pre-print copy I have and looked at who provided the tunes for each song.....
All publicity is good publicity.....

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 06:00 PM

Just had a peek at the cover. Lovely woodcut of what I think is a cuckoo but I'd prefer a blackbird just because my favourite songster is he.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 07:15 PM

Clive tells me it's a song thrush. Advance sales so far are encouraging.
Good News.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 07:21 PM

I've bought books from this publisher before, and their service to the US is very good. For me, the price of the book was £15.00, plus £7.00 for shipping here to California.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 02:55 AM

I asked earlier if it would be issued in hard-back form
Jim


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 03:59 AM

Sorry Jim so you did. I think at the moment with things as they are we have to test the water, financially before we dive in. Then we have to see how the book is received. Your input as well as others will be valued. Then we can decide on the viability of a further run.
kind regards
Nick


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 05:03 AM

Thanks Nick
I'll gat a paperback for now but I would guess I'll need a hardback
Good luck with it
Jim


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Reinhard
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 05:28 AM

Have the previous books The Wanton Seed and Southern Harvest been released as hardbacks? I can't remember having seen them in this format.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 08:49 AM

None of the books in this series have ever been issued as hardbacks. Keeping costs down is essential with books of this sort. I might be wrong but what would be the advantage of a hardback anyway? When I get a book, and I have a couple of thousand, all I'm interested is what's inside it. Some of them are falling apart but that's actually the hardbacks anyway. Just curious! My original copies of the Purslow editions, apart from Foggy Dew which was badly bound, are all still in one piece after 50 years.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 09:32 AM

The Purslow became unusable very quickly
Beside the point really Steve - I'll welcome any improvement in the way of untampered-with texts and fuller notes and hope to use them and pass them on to whoever gets them (Limerick Uni., in our case) in a form I hope they can continue to be used
There are some I wouldn't bother with and others which are no loner replaceable - I was hoping this would,t be one of I could get in a solid form
Jim


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 10:35 AM

Well we're certainly not ruling that out Jim. Please let us know your thoughts when you receive your copy.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 11:02 AM

To Joe Offer

Joe you appear to be getting off light. I purchased a book from your side of the pond last month, mailing to the UK added around 60%.

Being bookworm don't come cheap right now just when another Robert Johnson biography is due.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 02:18 PM

I am hoping to make the book available to overseas customers by PDF download. I assume this can then be viewed by tablet or kindle. Watch this space.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 02:52 AM

I'm told Cohen Braithwaite-Kilcoyne will be singing a song from the book and posting it on line. I'll flag it up when it's available.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Reinhard
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 03:42 AM

Cohen is a wonderful singer; I'm looking forward to this -- and of course to the book too which I ordered just after your annoucement.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 05:58 AM

Absolute agreement, Reinhard. For me the very top, but there are many great young singers of traditional material in England.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 10:31 AM

I'll Email him and report back.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: RTim
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 11:06 AM

Excuse me - but I am taking a liberty by posting here one of the songs from the new book as recorded by me on my CD - "From Spithead Roads"
it is the song "The Fair Maid of Bristol" - Roud 17811 - that was only ever collected twice, both by Dr. Gardiner in The New Forest, Hampshire - My old home area, being born less than 4 miles from where the song was collected from Fred Osman in 1908.

https://soundcloud.com/tim-radford/the-fair-maid-of-bristol

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 01:51 PM

Big help Thanks.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: r.padgett
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 02:41 PM

I have ordered a copy of the book

Ray


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 02:56 PM

Well done Ray. Sales are very encouraging on this first run.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 04:55 PM

The project I'm currently working on involves going through the Hammond Gardiner Mss again, and I've already come across enough unpublished material for another book, but current project needs finishing first.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 07:19 PM

Funny you should say that Steve...… I am reading and making notes on every tune in Hammond, I just want to hear what they heard. Comes of being mad on unwritten history.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: RTim
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 07:23 PM

There is still an awful lot to be found in Gardiner.......and that is without adding to texts from other collectors (well - maybe just a little...)....But then as a proud Hampshire man I am always going to claim that.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 05:06 AM

And so you should, that's why you were on the team.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 01:24 PM

Looks like the PDF is available. Not long now.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 04:40 AM

Non UK customers please contact thesongcarrier@gmail.com for access to a PDF Copy of the book. All enquiries answered.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 11 Jun 20 - 07:57 PM

The advance sales have been excellent, and the publisher is increasing the first run by 50%. Thank you all for your support and interest.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 15 Jun 20 - 03:57 PM

The first run is quickly selling out. Please use the publishers link above to reserve a copy.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: r.padgett
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 01:56 PM

I have had email confirmation of despatch ~ could well be received this week

Ray


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,guest (Dawn)
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 02:51 PM

we also received same e mail


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 06:31 PM

Yes it will be with you early next week. Meanwhile here is Cohen Braithwaite-Kilcoyne singing a song from the book

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcVSkU0mpSI


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jun 20 - 10:16 PM

I got notice today that my book had shipped. I can hardly wait.

I have a Kentish friend here in California who has been working on a book since I met him in about 1993. It's a collection of British political songs for the period 1750-1850. He's finally ready to publish it. I've been very impressed with Francis Boutle, so I suggested he might want to publish his book through Boutle in the UK. The University of Notre Dame Press did a nice job of publishing Dan Milner's recent book in the US, so I recommended that my friend try Notre Dame for US publishing.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 11:45 AM

I've just been chatting to Clive Boutle, Joe if you contact me on
thetraditionbearer@hotmail.co.uk we'll talk on. Your book has been posted by the way.


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: RTim
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 12:37 PM

Here is another song from the new book.......a very different arrangement to my original recording - "Come Roll The Cotton Down" - performed here with The Vox Hunters at the Mystic Sea Music Festival.
This version of the song was collected from James Bounds while he was in Portsmouth Workhouse in 1907 by Dr. Gardiner

Tim Radford

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wd9jPHo-hs


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: RTim
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 03:02 PM

And another - this time an Audio file - Young Taylor, Huzza........

Tim Radford
https://soundcloud.com/tim-radford/young-taylor-huzza


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Subject: RE: New Song Book Available soon-Southern Songster
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 04:58 PM

Masterful performance, Tim. Great stuff!


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