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Subject: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 May 20 - 09:18 AM

Following the murder of George Floyd by chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer, who would ever want to visit USA again???


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 30 May 20 - 09:27 AM

I wouldn't dream of going to the USA for any reason, mind I've got several American made instruments, mandolins.


Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 30 May 20 - 09:55 AM

You have to admit the cleverness of the racist killer cop for appearing non chalant for 9 minutes, with his hands in his pockets and whistling while he worked. The cop strangled a big man to death without breaking the hyoid bone!

For all you stranglers out there, that is really hard to do.
Judges gave him a 10 for technical and a 9 on required elements.
A shout out goes to the victim for being extremely polite and cooperative throughout.

A speed record was also set. Usually it takes a white policeman a year to be charged with murdering a black man. The 3rd degree murder charges are called 'a depraved heart murder'. Manslaughter charges have also been brought. The 3 backup cops who helped as assesories have not been charged.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 30 May 20 - 10:09 AM

Yep, white cops killing black people is practicly a sport in the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 30 May 20 - 10:19 AM

For three minutes after there were no signs of life in George Floyd's body, the killer maintained his knee on George's neck. That is precisely the time 3rd degree murder became first degree murder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 May 20 - 10:30 AM

Um, no. Intent does not form after the fact. Either they intended to kill him before the attack began, or they didn't. And if they had, shooting him would have made more sense.

And what about arresting all the nonwhite CNN guys but not the white ones?


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 30 May 20 - 10:38 AM

In Court my argument would prevail but beyond that Minnesota has upcharging rules that allow for 1st degree murder be considered by the jury.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 May 20 - 01:21 PM

The USA should be run by a Council of Native Americans & those who don't like it can repatriate to Europe, Africa, etc. The Trump family, e.g., may choose Scotland or Slovenia; my poem, from WalkaboutsVerse, on "Repatriating"


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 May 20 - 01:37 PM

”And if they had, shooting him would have made more sense.“

Not really, Mrrzy. Far easier to claim ‘accidental’ than it would be if they shot him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 May 20 - 02:07 PM

With Trumpitler calling himself a president, nothing surprises me any more!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 30 May 20 - 05:57 PM

In the U S of A - Black lives DON'T matter,and haven't for quite some time- like since 1609 ??.

HEIL TRUMP!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Neil D
Date: 30 May 20 - 09:34 PM

Mrrzy, there was also an incident in Louisville where a reporter and crew were shot with pepper bullets and I believe another reporter was shoved to the ground by an officer. Are we seeing the beginning of trend of widespread targeting of the media by police? After all, the free press of this country has been under attack by its Commander-in-Chief for years. The first casualty of war is truth, and if anyone thinks that's not war out there tonight, just wait a bit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 May 20 - 10:30 PM

I just read about that. Sigh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 May 20 - 11:03 PM

A related language peeve: most media are saying Died while in police custody. I was pleased my local station said Killed by police.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 May 20 - 11:09 PM

Stop it, WAV. This is no place for your treacle.

Murdered (alleged) would be fine also.

The whole place isn't going to Hell in a Handbasket, it just seems like it at the moment. Every time you think things under Trump couldn't get worse, he says "hold my beer."

Police and citizens marched together this evening in Camden, New Jersey, and people are trying to quickly sort out the white extremists who are trying to blow everything up from the regular peaceful protesters. Trump offering to send the military to Minneapolis probably is a stupid move (simply because anything Trump does is stupid.) The military isn't supposed to go into law enforcement situations unless it is an extreme emergency. People are hard-pressed to deal with protesters right now, but it doesn't rise to the level that the military should be called in. I'm willing to bet what Trump wants is a way to declare martial law. Make himself look real presidential, it will. Of a banana republic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 May 20 - 02:16 AM

Is trump's middle name Bob??????


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Senoufou
Date: 31 May 20 - 03:51 AM

This incident reminded me vividly of footage I saw, when young, (cinema newsreels) of the treatment of Jews in Germany by the Gestapo etc. Psychopathic disregard of their humanity, and evident sadistic pleasure taken in tormenting/torturing/beating/killing of defenceless civilians.
It's absolutely chilling, and I'm not surprised that riots have ensued.
It's murder, but also a racist atrocity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Neil D
Date: 31 May 20 - 04:21 AM

Speaking of a language peeve, for two days every report stated that George Floyd was transported to the hospital where he later died. Having watched the video I was certain that the victim was dead before he was picked up from the ground. My wife, an RN, was able to point out the exact moment he drew his last.
Finally after two days of misinformation, the fire department issued a statement that Mr Floyd had never had a pulse from the time he was put in the ambulance. Even when paramedics used the paddles they couldn't raise one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 May 20 - 04:55 AM

In answer to you question, Bonzo, I'd go again at the drop of a hat. We stay with my cousin when we are there and meet ordinary, everyday American citizens who, like the rest of us, are mostly decent, honest and law abiding. Don't tar an entire nation with same brush as a few racist criminals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 May 20 - 05:37 AM

I'm sure you're right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 May 20 - 05:51 AM

And it would not surprise me if trump (small t for small willy!!!) was behind it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 May 20 - 07:02 AM

DtG - me too! I have a number of friends in Houston TX where I used to spend time each year (former colleagues at my employer‘s Houston office), every one is a Republican, and they are amongst the friendliest, most kind and hospitable people I know - I’ve had some great times in their company, and our political differences have never been an issue on either side.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 31 May 20 - 09:45 AM

On Saturday, “Liberal Redneck” Trae Crowder posted a lengthy Facebook condemnation of police violence, slamming “out of control” cops and calling for justice.

“I got a question. How come nobody ever talks about how often Black people don’t riot?” said Crowder. “I mean, all the sh*t they put up with every day for generations without rioting? Meanwhile, a bunch of white people’s hockey team loses, they burn it all to the ground? … But you can only push people so far, and apparently, they draw the line at wanton public murder at the hands of the law. And I, for one, am not going to criticize that.”

“As far as I’m concerned, the blame for what is happening in Minneapolis lies solely with the Minneapolis Police,” said Crowder. “To put simply, if you don’t want your town ripped apart by riots, then to paraphrase ’90s Jim Carrey, stop murdering people, assh*le! Shouldn’t be that hard. The rest of us seem to manage.”


Hear, Hear!


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jeri
Date: 31 May 20 - 09:54 AM

I guess there's some sort of "virtue signaling" competition.
In any case, as I heard someone else point out, somewhere, the violence usually doesn't start until the cops show up. Personally, I think I'd want to burn some shit down. I don't like people getting hurt, but it's pretty much been proven that folks won't DO anything until the riots start.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 May 20 - 10:39 AM

What was it MLK said about rioting being ‘The Language of The Unheard’?

He got that right


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 May 20 - 11:08 AM

Language peeve again... In a Slate article. I read this morning and now can't find, the author referred to this death as a lynching. Nonono no no. A lynching is when a) the mob takes the victim *away* from the justice system, not when the members *of* the justice system kill said victim, and b) the victim is *hanged* by said mob.

Mob shoots suspect without trial, not a lynching.

Cops hang suspect without a trial, still not a lynching.

It's like terrorism: armed troops in uniform committing violence on civilians is a war crime, not terrorism. Civilians committing violence on armed uniformed troops is a rebellion, not terrorism.

Using such loaded terms to cover other crimes is merely inflammatory.

Ok, rant off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 31 May 20 - 11:51 AM

Sure have come a long way since 1964 in the Mostest Bestest Post-Racial Cuntry On Earth.

Click Here

And Then Click Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 May 20 - 01:27 PM

Sorry to point this out but the death is one thing and is sort of being dealt with.

But the riots are the result of Trump being president. His rhetoric is not just strident, but seditious. How often has he said and gestured shooting on his election rallies?

Threats beget threats, and any trigger can spill over to violence.

J'Accuse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 May 20 - 01:55 PM

Demonstrations in 30+ American cities and across the world, inclding London
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 31 May 20 - 02:02 PM

Bill de Blasio is now blaming the demonstrations on "outside agitators".

Jaysus, NY City is now Mississippi in 1963.


The outside agitators came.
They burned some churches and put the blame,
On decent southern people's names,
To set our colored people aflame.
And maybe some of our boys got hot,
And a couple of ni**ers and reds got shot,
They should have stayed where they belong,
And preacher would've told us if we'd done wrong.
             - Tom Paxton


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 07:40 AM

I'm with you, Mr. Red. Also why cops are shooting and arresting news crew members, mostly nonwhite ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:39 AM

Congratulations mods for not halting speech about George Floyd and endemic institutional racism. How bad is it? Officer Chauvin is the first white policeman charged with killing a black man in Minnesota history.

What an odd remark. Why would social justice discussion be quashed? ----puzzled mudelf


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:44 AM

Love the new "Treason Flag" advert by The Lincoln Project!

Go get 'em!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: mayomick
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:49 AM

Bill de Blasio's daughter arrested for unlawful assembly while protesting in Manhattan .No comment from Mayor de Blasio    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-de-blasio-daughter-chiara-arrested-manhattan-george-floyd-protests/


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 01:27 PM

Too many African Americans attacking property because it is "owned by whites" - without knowing what such "whites" believe in; that IS racist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 01:50 PM

These demonstrations have now become world-wide, Londoon being a major joiner-in
Thay have ceased to be just about the murder - now people are demonstrating against Trumps demand that the police use more force against the demonstrators
He sseems now on the point of declaring martial law in Washington
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Brian May
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 02:06 PM

Good to see Social Distancing and a real risk being ignored to complain about the conduct of another country's police for that doesn't directly affect this country.

Well balanced, intellectual and well considered actions.

Hmmm


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 02:12 PM

Pointing out the irresponsible stupidity of many hot headed young protesters,
should not be acceptable as a tactic to dismiss and distract from the serious reasons which sparked off the the protests...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 02:46 PM

Too many African Americans attacking property because it is "owned by whites" - without knowing what such "whites" believe in; that IS racist.

There's an entitled response.

The lion's share of the looting is not being generated by the protesters. Protesters are protesting. Looters are looting. They're not the same people. Keep your eye on the ball.

While we're at it, Buzzfeed: We’re Keeping A Running List Of Hoaxes And Misleading Posts About The Nationwide Police Brutality Protests is keeping track of online hoaxes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 03:29 PM

Walkabout, your ignorance is devastating, at least you didn't link to one of your lukewarm racist "poems" about it. One positive takeaway from all this turmoil is that a large percentage of the protesters seem to be white in many cities.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 04:09 PM

Walky's solution to the race problem would be to have never transplanted Africans
to any other regions of the world...???

Not that anti slavery might have been his main motivator...?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 04:09 PM

re: odd remark
mudelf, for a short time 3 days ago this very thread appeared to 'me' to be gone/removed as well as other remarks about the demonstrations elsewhere. At that time I thought that was a horrid decision.
There are probably other explanations but they are moot now.
Like signs I've seen, "silence is violence".

I keep an eye on white supremecist web sites and they tell you all you need to know about bombs, incindiary devices and inciting race wars at demonstrations. 'boogaloo boys'


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 04:30 PM

sarcasm alert
Is this the end of the brutal violent web of institutional financial conspiratorial murderous racism? Or is the beggining of non chalant murder by racist cops too lazy to even take their hands out of their pockets and instead just sit on and take a knee on handcuffed victims necks?


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 06:30 PM

He can't issue an order to have the Army to attack the demomstrators and or looters due to the Posse Comitas law.
It was forbiden for Julius Ceasar to bring the Roman Legion into the city of Rome by crossing the Rubicon. As you know he did it anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 07:00 PM

Great link, thanks Stilly!


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 07:52 PM

By declaring an Insurrection the president may only send the military to states where the govenor has asked the federal government for troops.

Instead of a press conference Trump waddle marched accross the street after mounted police had cleared the street with tear gas and was given a bible that he held up in front of a church sign that said "services online". He stood for pictures for about 3 minutes and tossed the bible to an aid and waddled home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 07:58 PM

He may not have crossed the Rubicon but a short while ago he did cross Pennsylvania Ave. to stand in front of St. John's Church holding up a bible for a photo op for his 35-40%, after his troops forced peaceful protesters out of Lafayette Park with rubber bullets, flash bangs and brute force. It's now official, we are a banana republic with a tinpot dictator.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:11 PM

I liked your version best.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:28 PM

According to a WH source he was embarrassed by coverage of him hiding in the bunker Friday night so he orchestrated this bad piece of reality TV to give people the false impression that he has a pair of cojones. ATTACKING U.S. citizens peacefully exercising their right of free speech, I shudder to think what the fallout of this publicity stunt going to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:52 PM

IF
Donnie pulled out his dick and yelled at Nancy Pelosi "SUCK THIS"
The fallout would be "Pelosi ignores Trump's invitation"


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 03:01 AM

will trump declare war on, and invade, any US states
that don't bow down to him...!!!???


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 03:36 AM

Too many African Americans attacking property because it is "owned by whites" - without knowing what such "whites" believe in; that IS racist.

Threat begets threat. Violence begets violence.

Which is why Trump is so dangerous.

Chickens and roost? Chicken and egg? Chicken and chlorine? Toxic stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 04:08 AM

Child molesters become Catholic priests to take advantage of the opportunity to be in power over victims. Brutal sadists become police officers to take similar advantage of the opportunity to be in power. Most priests and most police officers are wonderful, but there are a few among them who are truly evil. It is the duty of Upper Management (i.e., bishops and police chiefs) to root these evil people out and to stop them immediately if they do wrong. Oftentimes, Upper Management has other concerns, and these evil opportunists have free rein. That's what has happened in so many cities in the United States, and the damage done is staggering.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 04:23 AM

pfr there comes a point where exhausted dictators want to punish their own country and people. Trump has already criticized select states in chickin shit ways. I think mr T would like to be a civil war president   like Lincoln


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 05:17 AM

But what popular movement would he promote after the war had begun, although it had not been the immediate or principal cause?


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 05:33 AM

Rome burns while Nero fiddles?

Fact check, Romans played lyres, but there is still a pun in there anyway.

What worries me, is the old adage "When America sneezes, the world catches a cold" - and in the UK we have some pretty mendacious excrescences of our own. Mind you they are spreading the virus, not fueling fires in cities.

(I typed cites, should have left it at that - maybe)./small>


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 05:40 AM

WWW DOT COM?
Winning White Winners - Dream of Trump - Commanding our Mission
or maybe Right Supremecists

MAGA is getting out of date as the clamp down begins.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 07:15 AM

As Trump is failing to demonize black people as thugs and domestic terrorists who must be eradicated by the military, we have had our reverse krystalnacht.
FOX news is doing their best but their heart just isn't in it.
The adminstration screams "we must dominate the battlespace"
"WE WILL put them in jail for ten years and never see them again".

This show of strength by the President is really happening like a top down civil war. This is not clever rhetoric or a spoof.

Hitler had a global depression to motivate the masses that radical change was required. The USA has record unemployment now.

Yet there are some who muse it can't happen here.
But we have different desperation, scapegoats real and imagined, bully police in the streets and white suprmecists feeling more clever and successful and protected. However unlike any America president since world war 2, Trump has never achieved a 50% vote or popularity, yet we are nearing military rule.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 07:54 AM

Can Biden inspire a passion and excitment from young voters or capture the imagination of the black community? Joe used to be a hugger but that is also antiquainted and dangerous now.
We could become victims of own compromises.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 09:25 AM

Sorry, Joe, but the "few bad apples" defense/excuse for U.S. institutional racism is bullshit.

And the "its a management problem" excuse is as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 09:55 AM

Nice neologism! Stealing "antiquainted" (I might footnote).


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:25 AM

Mossback, you're exposing Democratic institutional 'excuses' and will get you disinvited to appear on MSNBC.

Playing it safe in the most dangerous times is foolish imo.
The middle of the road is exactly where people get struck and killed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:41 AM

Any photoshoppers already posted trump posing in front of the church,
bible high in one hand, AR-15 at ready in the other...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:42 AM

Trouble is, trump supporters would not recognise the satire,
and queue to buy it as a poster...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:49 AM

Antiquaited adj. and noun
Definition: The use of antique phrases, expressions or extinct technology.
"Phrenology is an 'antiquaited' pseudo science'"


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:52 AM

Many arrests in Dallas last night, and someone firebombed the courthouse in Fort Worth. This isn't "protests," this is something else. Sorting the looters from the protesters, and the white supremacists from the rest, it is a challenge.

Trump is entering the fireworks stand with a lit match, claiming he wants to treat the protesters with long prison sentences. . . what could possibly go wrong?


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:57 AM

this is a scenario where it's far too easy for white n@zis to dress up as antifa
to ignite arson and violent disorder...

Trump knows this...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 12:03 PM

If you look them up, anti-fascists (antifa) would most likely align, in their non-aligned way, with Black Lives Matter. The fact that white men are out there doing damage trying to ramp up the pressure on the BLM protesters tends to show their antecedents as White Supremacists and other anarchists. Months from now sharp reporters will piece together the social media messages, but for now, they seem to be achieving what they set out to do. And Trump offers mis-direction by calling them antifa.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 12:05 PM

the obvious irony of trump's hostility to anti fascists...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 12:22 PM

Stilly - I'm from south west England,not too far from Glastonbury..

What you Americans call Antifa,
is so close to the diverse radical hippy punk student youth culture we grew up with since the 1970s..

To a large extent, that's what I still am...

But just a bit too old, fat, lazy, and responsible,
to ever have been bothered with the negative stupidities of rioting...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 01:12 PM

A bit establishment PFR
Trump's type of misrepresentation of vigorous demonstrating as "rioting" is as old as public demonstration itself
Anyboy who has been on a demonstration knows the latest hostility emanating from those there to keep the peace
I haven't been on a demo since I marched in protest at the closure of our local A and E here in our market town, but the last time I felt this hatred was when we attended The Notting Hill Carnival when a black friend offered two policemen a share of his locally-bought kebab
Peaceful demonstrations ended around the time youngsters got the shit kicked out of them outside the Greek Embassy when the Colonels were in control
I think Steve Shaw knew Blair Peach - go dig him up and ask nim how his headache is after having en killed after having his head rammed into the corner point of two walls by two jolly London Bobbies
ASK THIS LADY ABOUT PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS
Public demonstrations were really never more than paying lip-service to democracy - now that is have all but gone because people are automatically give "mob" instead of "demonstrator"
It's a bit like the rem "terrorist" - adaptable
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 01:13 PM

There is antifa and there is antifa.
One is anti fascist and the other is anti facts.
On Inauguration day Trump blamed antifa for one broken window and dozens were charged for rioting. We all know about Trump's anti facts and alternative truth.

In this time of cold truth war we are all vulnerable believing almost anything. All I have is 'what is more likely possible' and that too is untrustworthy.    So I choose to believe both boogymen exist.

It would be possible for Trump to anonymously make himself president of antifa and and stir the pot (a trick he did before in 'call in' shows back in NYC.)   In short nothing is as it seems but crime is going big time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 01:30 PM

Jim - my problem with riots,
is I usually get out of bed to switch on my mobile,
far too late to read the invites...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 02:56 PM

Antiquated is the old word. No second "i" in it.
The new one I am stealing is antiQUAINTed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 04:08 PM

Sile The Spanish Inquisition - nobody expected a riot - that's wahat they are
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 04:54 PM

Just watched a BBC news report on American police targeted brutality on journalists,
and resulting life changing injuries to a photographer...

It's so open and blatant, the cops no longer care about who around the world
sees them doing it...!!!???

That in itself sends an explicit message from the whitehouse...!!!

Trump really wants to impress his mates in the global evil dictator's club...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 07:10 PM

I highly recommend the HBO documentary '16 shots'.
It will answer all your questions as to - HOW?


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Neil D
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 02:42 AM

Donuel said: He can't issue an order to have the Army to attack the demonstrators and or looters due to the Posse Comitas law. Unfortunately, not true. After the greatly muddled election of 1876, we still have no idea who really won, a compromise was made to put Hayes in office. In return for southern delegates Hayes withdrew all federal troops from Southern states, effectively ending Reconstruction. With southern politicians back in charge they tried to return as much as possible to the "good ol' days". Of course. the 13th amendment kept them from bringing back chattel slavery, but sharecropping scams, prison farms and vagrancy laws created new forms of forced labor that lasted well into the 20th century. As southern politicians returned to the U S Congress they pushed through Posse Comitatus to prevent military interference with these policies. This law did not keep Eisenhower from using the military to desegregate southern schools in the 1950s because one of several limitations to Posse Comitatus is Federal troops used in accordance to the Insurrection Act. Bottom line is that the Comitatus law is superseded by the Insurrection Act of 1807.
Most presidents have avoided this option for many reasons, not least of which is that the military is not trained in law enforcement and crowd control and is reluctant to square off against U S citizens. The last time troops were used in this regard were the Rodney King riots in L A in 1992 after Bush was asked for assistance by the governor. Using Armed Forces for policing without the consent of a state governor would have such a stench of autocracy that most presidents simply wouldn't consider it, but we all know that Trump doesn't care.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 09:39 AM

Interesting article on Slate about how this time the protests are different because, while Trump is trying to make it about him, it isn't. Author does not mention that also, this time, nobody has a job to protect.

Article here. Might be a paywall, might not. I got to read the whole thing but when I checked the link, I couldn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 10:21 AM

It is obliquely about him. This protest is about RACISM and the president is a racist, so there is that.

Although we can not always see beneath the surface, there are ALWAYS undercurrents.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 10:26 AM

Good post Neil. In a separate post I got to the insurrection act but whose counting. The US can declare war on the US and have a Civil War.
Anything can happen. These days undeclared wars are in fashion. In the meantime I am glad to be edited and better yet corrected.

We only had one small drug store looted out here in the suburbs but NOTHING WAS TAKEN - except - for kidney medication!
I suspect Granny Gangs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 10:46 AM

At the Pentagon defense secretary Esper is trying to walk back the trump threat of the 82nd airborn being used to quell/kill demonstrations and looters as I write.
He 'tried' to distance himself from Trump's church photo op.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 11:19 AM

Is there a legal requirement for regular mental health assessment of US presidents...???

Even if so, how do independent health inspectors enforce
a crazy vindictive megalomaniac's removal from office...??????

Do dictators mostly get happy endings...???

Americans have been quite ruthlessly effective
at getting rid of foreign dictators
no longer of any use to them...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 11:58 AM

Sane lawmakers statesmen and officials have tried every legal avenue for removal of a disabled president including the 25th ammendment desiged for such an occurance to no avail pfr.

my cartoon caption of Trump standing in front of the church sign...
"Forgive him Lord for he
does not know what he does...
On second thought LORD
SMITE AWAY !"


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 11:59 AM

Very moving scenes of huge numbers of protesters lying down in peaceful protest in Ohio
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 12:10 PM

Its called a die in


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 12:26 PM

I'm running a one way bus to Beachy Head, so trump, johnson amd mogg in the front seats - who else??


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 12:31 PM

Is it a single or double decker...???

How many seats, and do you allow standing...???

We'd need a fleet of one way buses...!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 12:53 PM

All lives matter & the Black Lives Matter youth protests are going to cause a lot of I Can't Breathe COVID19 suffering, especially, through transmission, among the elderly; also, African Americans attacking property because it is "owned by whites" IS also racist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 01:23 PM

Walky - you are wasting your time here.

Stand on your soapbox in the middle of the London demonstrators.

They should gladly listen to you and thank you for your helpful advice...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 02:25 PM

If we are to discuss racism one should be clear. One should be Honest and one should not call the kettle black and denigrate. was that racist?

Racism must have existed before the Neanderthals. Animals practicing animal racism is unclear to me but I know the ant insect world engages in race wars.
Whites in the US are the racists I know best. A response to white racists by the victims of that racism is not racism. but this is an opinion board.
Don't flog the messenger


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 02:58 PM

No racism is justifiable,
though it is understandable when victimised folks fight back fire with fire..
But that kind of racist response is still wrong..

There will always be collateral damage and injustice in these extreme circumstances...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 04:51 PM

Jeff Foxworthy is a comedian known for his, “You might be a redneck…” jokes. These are ours;

If you own a confederate flag you might be a racist.
If you combine the words welfare and queen you might be a racist
If you lock your car doors only upon seeing a black person you might..
If you ever shot a black person you might be a racist

“You might be a racist” if you use your power to establish systems, rules, practices, or laws that support your beliefs that people of other races are inferior. Consequently, when you hear the words “systemic racism” it is because racism still persists across systems such as government, insurance, education, finance, criminal justice, etc. In America, white people are the dominant group controlling positions of authority across most systems, so it is technically incorrect to call a person of color a “racist”, because of their position/lack of power to establish/maintain racist practices within systems.

“You might be a bigot” if you are completely intolerant, and devoted to your own opinions and prejudices such that you treat members of other groups with hatred and intolerance.

“You might be prejudiced” if you have a feeling for or against something or someone without any good reason. For example, if you feel that a certain group is inferior or bad because of their religion, gender, race, etc., but you really don’t know anyone from that group or much about them, then you are prejudiced.

“You might discriminate” if you have strong prejudicial or bigoted feelings about an individual or group and treat them unequally or unfairly due to their individual or group membership.

“You might be biased” if you have a preference that keeps you from making a fair judgement. For example, it could be as simple as a bias for vanilla over strawberry ice cream or as harmful as an employer preferring men over women or a realtor preferring white people to people of color.

Archie Bunker, of the 1970’s sitcom “All In the Family,” was openly prejudiced, biased, and generally considered to be a bigot. The show became a “safe place” to spark discussions on a number of race related issues, using humor to “ease” the conversations. Unfortunately, there is no humor in what is happening in the current political climate. As we endure the next 70 or so days, I’m deeply concerned about the post-election environment that is being created in our country by the use of harmful and inflammatory rhetoric.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 05:03 PM

Archie was the americanised franchise version of our Alf...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 05:12 PM

Alf came fourteen years after Archie Bunker


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Neil D
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 05:17 PM

In my last post about the Insurrection Act of 1807 I mentioned reluctance by military to be used for domestic law enforcement. Today, the Secretary of Defense, who up to now had staunchly supported Trump policies, issued this statement: “The National Guard is best suited for performing domestic support to civil authorities in these situations in support of local law enforcement. The option to use active-duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort and only in the most urgent and dire of situations. We are not in one of those situations now. I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act.” Trump's top aides were not amused. I expect him to be asked for his resignation soon.
If anyone reads this shortly after I post it here's a heads up. President Barrack Obama will be making a public statement shortly if you want turn om a news channel not named Fox.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 06:27 PM

Donny - that'll be your Alien Alf..

Not our great much loved / hated Alf, the working class conservative racist..

Who American TV licensed as Archie...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 07:14 PM

Jim Mattis finally broke his silence and slammed twitler, and not just for his shabby little stunt Monday night but for the whole of his tenure.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 07:27 PM

And I don't know why I bother, Walkabout but the protesters are multi-racial (I know that word stands up the hair on the back of you neck) and mostly peaceful when not provoked, and the looters are also multi-racial. Sorry if this contrasts with your lily white fantasies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 09:35 PM

At least we haven't been favored with a so-called poem................


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 09:39 PM

Sec. Mattis' letter is so eloquent, timely and scathing that it's worth posting here.

In Union There Is Strength

    I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.

    When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.

We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

    James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.


    Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.

    Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.

    Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 06:21 AM

That needed to be said


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 06:55 AM

It is eye opening to see how willing Mudcatters are willing to dicuss racism. The myriad of threads above the line regarding racism is impressive. In America the subject is difficult and in real life whites are reticent to speak about it unless thay are at either end of the spectrum of attitudes.
The demonstrations are a 9 point earthquake in the movement toward sanity. But merely gaining the right not to be murdered when black, is too little at this late date.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:25 AM

It is becoming a major issue since Farage and the Tories played the race card for Brexit - the spike in racist incidents has scared even the authorities
I spent my life, from the early Civil Rights days to the Anti Apartheid Movement, George Jackson... fighting for justice somewhere else - now it's coming home to roost here
The use of Populism has let the old 'Empire Superiority' Djinn' out of its bottle big time
Racism never really went away but it was considered an institutional problem when the Stephen Laurence murder hit the headlines, now it's back big-time
The extremely rightist Daily Mail published the results of a survey not so long ago on national racism and came up with the astounding figure of a third to a quarter of those interviewed admitting that held and had expressed racist views
Without pre-empting a thread I am hoping to start, the Anti-Semitism of The Israel Governmet defending its atrocities by making criticism of it's policy "antisemitic" has painted a target on the backs of every Jew on the planet
These are dangerous days
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:43 AM

NPR mentioned Tianenmen Square when talking about this, which shocked and awed me. This is in another thread now (it's June 4th after all).


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:55 AM

NPR also reports Floyd had coronavirus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 08:29 AM

I clearly see a battlespace that has to be dominated. Brutal force will be required after all this pandemic stress. Perhaps killing millions of
germs will be the key but I gotta clean the downstairs bathroom at long last.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 10:13 AM

Trump has taken a page from Russia using military troops without identifiable uniforms when attcking Ukraine by putting icognito military troops on the streets of DC.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 10:32 AM

Apparently trump imported Texas prison guards to defend Lafayette Park. Nothing but the finest for the Bunker Inspector in Chief.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 11:34 AM

That elite group is highly trained to handle immigrants as inhuman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 12:42 PM

African Americans attacking property because it is "owned by whites" IS also racist.

I think that is called mob rule.
We had something akin in the UK over pedophiles, and vigilantes meted out some rough justice. And it wasn't long before a pediatrician was targeted as a criminal. Vigilantyism receded swiftly thereafter.
Mobs react, they don't think. And agitators know this, and enjoy/are payed to go stirring.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 01:25 PM

Drew Brees is a football player that said Blacks were direspecting the flag by taking a knee etc. He is being defended by claiming much to do with racism is UNCONSCIOUS.

"Disrespecting the flag" is straight out of Donald Trumps mouths*.

*he talks out of both sides

There are lots of stupid white people who are not truly conscious.
Are they really unconscious about choosing to hate?


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 01:36 PM

The perpetuation of Drew Brees type ignorance is willful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 01:52 PM

Brees apologized today


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 06:11 PM

Wow he looks so much ike officer Chauvin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 09:02 PM

Interesting program on Fresh Air today:She keeps insisting she's not comparing Trump to Hitler, but the message is clear. What's going to happen now? This guy is scary. Will he leave in November, manipulate himself another Electoral College victory, or just refuse to leave office?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 09:15 PM

Who on Earth would ever do such a thing?


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 09:38 PM

Trump is lot the least bit scary. He's a buffoon.

The one-third plus of the U.S. population that still thinks he's great is what's terrifying -


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 12:12 AM

He is stupid scary. At the southern border he asked why security guards
don't just shoot illegal immigrants in the legs. They actually had to have a doctor explain that wounding the femoral artery is fatal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 01:56 AM

Why shoot people at all? They are people for God’s sake, not vermin! He has the intellectual capacity of a gnat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 03:02 AM

"Trump is lot the least bit scary. He's a buffoon."
Nope - Johnson's a Buffoon - there's nothing the slightest amusing about Trump - he's a dangerous psychopath begging for a tranqiliser dart
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 05:12 AM

You can bet the farm he's going to do every thing he can to rig this election because if he gets turned out he's looking at spending the rest of his shabby existence in court and possibly doing time in the clink. Our main hope for avoiding the catastrophe of another trump term lies with all these young people out in the street right now, they need to show up at the polls in large numbers and work around all the obstacles that Republicans are going to put in their way. The GOP has never shown much enthusiasm for democracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 05:20 AM

Too many Trump Fanbois out there. The bastard will surely get back in, or my name’s not Michelle Obama.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 05:45 AM

If we have an election that is even close too fair he's gone. He's getting clobbered in every reputable poll and I can't imagine him doing any thing at this stage to improve his prospects and in fact, as the old demented fool gets more and more desperate he's likely to continue in his downward spiral. I just hope the higher ups in our military have the balls to to forestall any more of his attempts to turn their institution into his own personal army a la the SS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 06:12 AM

Please God, let Gilly be right!


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 06:25 AM

Gawd, I hope so too. It's been said that when trump "won" in 2016 that he drew to an inside straight, losing the popular vote by 3 mil and winning by a total of 70,000 votes in 3 swing states. Some wag pointed out the other day that with the erosion of support in most of his major constituencies, seniors, evangelicals etc. he's going to have to draw to an inside royal flush this time around. Hearing things like this helps me get out of bed in the morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 06:34 AM

I really cannot understand how anyone can be so dense as to continue to support him - he’s the most dangerous man in the world today - more dangerous than Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi Jinping, Hassan Rouhani. A pathological liar, a sexual predator, a narcissist, a sociopath.

And to think how they assassinated JFK...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 06:53 AM

I'm cautiously optimistic that we're witnessing a sea change in our politics with the overwhelming support people are showing for the protesters and the disdain that's raining down on trump from retired, well-respected military men, former intel officers and justice department officials, and even 5 or 6 Republican Senators who seem to be growing a backbone. Most of the folks I know are appalled by trump and his deranged antics, some who even voted for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 07:01 AM

He’s insane, I’m certain of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 07:14 AM

And his response to the crises of the last few months are making that abundantly clear, at least to those who are willing to open their eyes to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 08:12 AM

Mad, mad, I tell you, channeling Alan Alda. Of course he won't leave when not elected. And that is why some will vote for him. So will all the scared for other reasons folk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 08:41 AM

With the right threats, antics and diversions he doesn't have to do them all to get things to appear done. Donnie has not mentioned the name George Floyd in any way at this date. The 82nd airborn is going back to base after coming to Fort Belvoir in DC. There is a military presence here but not overwhelming.

China has even taken a page from the Trump play book and has made a new law that can arrest and prosecute for 'disrespecting the Chinese national anthem'. Sounds like taking a knee during the star spangled banner.

Trump has built a 10 foot tall chain link fence around the White House at 300 yards. Yes Bush Jr was a chicken hawk nut trump is chicken s...

The civil war simmers but did not succeed in turning bloody.
The red neck militias are still doing traffic stops with AK 47s for practice out west


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 09:32 AM

The prospect of trump remaining in the WH after an election loss concerns a lot of people but I think it's a motivating factor to vote against him rather than for him for the large majority. I don't think we're ready for a dictator just yet. Look at all the young folks in the street, you think they're pissed off now wait until he tries to screw with the election process more overtly (he's already denied any election result that does not have him winning). This old fool will be out in the streets with them, with or without a new hip, as I was in the early '70's anti-war riots in D.C.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 09:44 AM

actually I was a demonstrator not a rioter, though I did get whacked by a night stick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 11:34 AM

even 5 or 6 Republican Senators who seem to be growing a backbone

Nope-not a chance. They just think that Pres. Assclown might be a liability & are making noises to cover their asses. If there's any any improvement in his chances, they'll fall back into line in a nanosecond, spineless bastards that they are.

HEIL TRUMP!


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 12:02 PM

Any bit of pushback from these moral cowards is an encouraging sign and he got it yesterday from Grassley and Murkowski.
Other repubs are also weighing in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 12:31 PM

Time will tell, Gilly, but I greatly fear I'm closer to the mark.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 12:34 PM

The National Park Service is in charge of the White House. The employees there are employees of the federal government, not of Trump. As difficult as it will be when he is defeated in November, people are going to have to have a plan to keep him from trashing a National Treasure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 01:27 PM

IMO A desire and need to punish is mental illness. In healthy folks it can be acute but passing and eventually disipates. In the pathological, it becomes an obcession and lasts sometimes beyond retalliation. I have wondered if the Trump kids have experienced his punishments. Melania is easy to read but we don't know everything.
It does not look like the kids have ever tried to teach dad.

Choose your obcessions well
Your fathers hell slowly goes by
And you, of tender years,
Can't know the fears
that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth,
They seek the truth before they can die.
Teach your parents…


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 01:38 PM

Its difficult to work in groups when you think you are omnipotent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 01:43 PM

It’s more likely he’s impotent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 04:25 PM

Unfortunately not - he has produced several little turnips as stupid, ignorant, and useless as himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 04:39 PM

"The section of 16th street in front of the White House is now officially Black Lives Matter Plaza” said Mayor Bowser. They painted a mural on 2 blocks of the street, adjacent to the White House, which reads "Black Lives Matter". I hope the Fearless Bunker Inspector can see it from Marine One.


ABC news


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 10:47 AM

There are mission statements, policy, then there is the way things are done. I have personally seen the dozens of moving parts involved in allowing police to get away with murder. Start with the police car. I have found and seen the 'throw down weapons' the police use when they kill an unarmed man, woman or child to establish provocation and self defense. It is ususlly a 6 inch knife. They do not always bother to put a victims fingerprint on it when it can be done later. Then there is the report - enough said. Then there is the police union and the DA...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 11:12 AM

The implied threat that other officers will not come to your aid if you do not remain silent about wrong doing is perceived as a possible death sentence. It is the way things are done. This s what BLM needs to change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 11:23 AM

Maybe this is a language pet peeve but doesn't a mural have to be on a wall?


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 11:52 AM

Mrrzy: Yes, that is the meaning.
Maybe this was an extra-mural mural ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 01:28 PM

If you're laying parallel to Black Lives Matter Plaza with cop's knee on your neck I suppose it would appear like a mural to you, just to get back on topic and away from the nitpicking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 01:58 PM

Drew Brees tries to educate (a futile endeavor) the Chief Bunker Inspector-

The Hill


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jun 20 - 06:02 PM

There are mission statements, policy, then there is the way things are done. I have personally seen the dozens of moving parts involved in allowing police to get away with murder. Start with the police car. I have found and seen the 'throw down weapons' the police use when they kill an unarmed man, woman or child to establish provocation and self defense. It is ususlly a 6 inch knife. They do not always bother to put a victims fingerprint on it when it can be done later. Then there is the report - enough said. Then there is the police union and the DA...
The code of silence has a murder threat behind it. If you don't stay silent we will allow you to be killed or die if you ever need assistance. Lynching AND lynching by othermeans hasbeen part of the US for a 100 years. Hopes and prayers was what MLK was about. America is fed up with hopes and prayers and frankly don't want to hear them anymore. Only action, law and convictions are going to be heard


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 09:41 AM

Buffalo Cops Go Full Nuremburg:

Buffalo Police Benevolent Association President John Evans said...
“Our position is these officers were simply following orders"...


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 20 - 11:57 AM

Mossback yes 57 cops walked out over charging a cop with abuse then got a round of applause from the police union...
but in all fairness the push was only about 2 Newtons too forceful for the protesters age.

A full Nuremberg would be 10,000 military troops on Pennsylvania Ave.
that Trump actually ordered.
The military decided it was an unlawful order.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 04:41 AM

Maybe this is a language pet peeve but doesn't a mural have to be on a wall?

or ceiling!

Let us call it an Australian Mural.





I'll get my paint brushes.............


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 05:11 AM

Funny, not funny, Mr Red. It still wouldn't be a mural in Oz.

Except that when I saw the "mural" I was thinking it could be called a "vial" or stretch the language a bit and possibly call it a "viral", because via = road in Latin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 08:59 AM

Which is where we get the word Trivia. Romans posted news snippets where three roads met. But I digress.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 09:36 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 05:43 PM

Cops "strategically deflating tires" - can't that be done by pressing the valve thingie?

https://www.alternet.org/2020/06/video-of-state-troopers-slashing-the-care-tires-of-protesters-and-reporters-goes-viral/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4736


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jun 20 - 05:54 PM

Letting the air out (the knobby thing on the backside of the gauge) takes a lot more time than slashing tires.
I hadn't heard of this. Why on earth would the cops not want someone to leave? (I'd read the article, but I don't care for paywalls.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Jun 20 - 08:39 AM

AlterNet has no paywall, at least, I don't pay and I got to read the article.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 09:19 AM

Also it turns out they knew each other, cop and Floyd, from working at the same nightclub, and had argued over cop's treatment of black patrons. Now *that* might bump it up to 1st degree murder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 10:55 AM

Thanks for that heads-up, Mrrzy. Something to go look for in the vast number of news reports flowing past these days.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 11:23 AM

Does that mean trump will now accuse Floyd of staging his murder as a leftist stunt...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 20 - 12:52 PM

'They bumped heads': Coworker says George Floyd and Derek Chauvin knew each other, had a history

"Now one man is saying that the men knew each other and had a history of not getting along."

HOUSTON — There are new developments concerning the former Minneapolis police officer charged in the death of George Floyd.

Reports had surfaced before that Derek Chauvin worked security at the same nightclub as Floyd. Now one man is saying that the men knew each other and had a history of not getting along.

That man worked security with both men and spoke with CBS News.

“They (Chauvin and Floyd) bumped heads,” David Pinney told CBS News. “It has a lot to do with, with Derek being extremely aggressive within the club with some of the patrons, which, which is, which was an issue.”

CBS News asked Pinney if he had any doubt the men knew each other.

"No. He knew him," Pinney said. "I would say pretty well.”

The Floyd family has said they believe what happened between Chauvin and George Floyd was personal and their attorney has been pushing for him to be charged with first-degree murder.

Chauvin is charged with second degree murder and manslaughter. His bond has been set at $1.25 million without conditions and $1 million with conditions.

The Houston community said their final goodbyes to George Floyd at a memorial service on Tuesday and he was laid to rest in Pearland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Neil D
Date: 11 Jun 20 - 04:19 AM

On Wednesday, Pinney told CBS News in an email he had confused Floyd with someone else: "There has been a mix up between George and another fellow co-worker," he wrote. "I apologize for not doing my due diligence and placing you in a very uncomfortable situation," he wrote. He did stand by his claim that Chauvin was very aggressive with black patrons, a claim previously made by the owner of the club. So we still aren't sure if Chauvin and Floyd had any interaction but police are definitely investigating this line of inquiry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jun 20 - 07:41 AM

Yeah, guess all blacks look alike or something

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-nightclub-bumped-heads-changes-story/


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jun 20 - 11:33 AM

Pinney's fifteen minutes of fame squandered on a bad memory. It did seem that if one person knew about this, others would know also, but there aren't accounts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Neil D
Date: 12 Jun 20 - 02:42 AM

Donuel said "We only had one small drug store looted out here in the suburbs but NOTHING WAS TAKEN - except - for kidney medication!
I suspect Granny Gangs."
Hell's Grannies


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 20 - 09:14 PM

Trump tweets 'gangs of Antifa baby snatchers and statue rapers are ravishing and ravenging Seatle streets and must be dominated and stopped by the Space Force now.'
I think Donald picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 20 - 07:00 AM

An executive order is forthcoming soon and will further define resisting arrest and immunity from murder. No mention of race is to be expected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Jun 20 - 11:48 AM

And don't call him Shirley.


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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jun 20 - 12:22 PM

Rayshard Brooks: protests in Atlanta over police shooting of African American man


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