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BS: UK thread, Politics and political

DMcG 04 May 20 - 03:13 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 04 May 20 - 03:13 AM

Top scientists set up ‘shadow’ SAGE committee to advise government amid concerns over political interference

I am not sure anything will come of this - I can see political pressure being applied to convince the members that it 'may not be a good idea' - and I am sure they will end up advising the general public far more than the Government, who really do not want alternative views being aired.   But from a scientific viewpoint rather than a political one, it is akin to a peer review or a viva, and quite a good idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 20 - 05:54 PM

Conspiracy theories rule OK, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 03 May 20 - 05:41 PM

There has been a lot of media attention given to the fact Dominic Cummins attended SAGE(Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) meetings on covid-19.
What is not so well known is that he blogged on related issues over a year ago.

March 4, 2019 by dominiccummings        
The most secure bio-labs routinely make errors that could cause a global pandemic & are about to re-start experiments on pathogens engineered to make them mammalian-airborne-transmissible



https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/04/the-most-secure-bio-labs-routinely-make-errors-that-could-cause-a-global-pandemic-are-abo


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 20 - 03:44 PM

Bonz - yeah.. all that useless lefty crap
about trying to make sure fewer folks suffer needlessly, and die too early...???

Mind you, I've not been reading this thread,
but that's my edumacated guess...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 May 20 - 03:32 PM

Useless leftie crap continues!!

Stop. This could and probably would be looked at as trolling.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 20 - 02:26 PM

Hello mates - Much happening while I'm away from here spring cleaning my computers...???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPkKgrmgFTw


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 20 - 02:16 PM

Anyway, I notice that the number of tests has fallen very sharply. I guess that's because the postman doesn't come on Sundays...

Lies, damn lies and Tory lies...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 20 - 02:14 PM

I suppose...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 May 20 - 02:11 PM

And I think the less we comment on it, the better. For everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 May 20 - 02:10 PM

Because they posted as a group, rather than an individual, would be my guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 20 - 02:05 PM

Just a thought. Why would mods post as guests?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 20 - 01:27 PM

"It makes me laugh Iains, how these lefties consider this forum to be their own leftie "
Shut up Archie and get back in your box
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 May 20 - 01:11 PM

It makes me laugh Iains, how these lefties consider this forum to be their own leftie shouting box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Better to make snide remarks as a pm directly to Iains rather than appear to be flame baiting!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 20 - 05:47 AM

ANOTHER REMINDER of POPULAR LEADERS
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 03 May 20 - 05:27 AM

populism rules Ok
Not often I   agree with   you but:
Populism   won    the    referendum
Populism put Boris in   power with a huge majority
Populism put Labour into the wilderess for a generation.
Whhat is there not to like about it?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 20 - 03:23 AM

GREAT LEADER WITH A LORRA - LORRA SUPPORT
You pair have opted for insulting and populism rather than caring about the people who ahre sufferineg and dyind due to this crisis - populism rules Ok

Stalin was the second most popular leader in history, pipped at the post by Attila the Hun
Hitler was a close runner up
Mosely filled the streets of London with his thuggish supporters, demanding a 'final solution' to the Jewish problem - the owner of the Tory Daily Mail joined him in his campaign
Thatcher became a popular post war leader - she tore Britain in half before climbing into bed with a mass-murdering dictator wh she described as a hero of democracy - she helped him escape being tried for his crimes at the human rights court
In the end, she even became an embarrassment to he own right wing party, who dropped her like a hot turd newly out of the oven

If you pair are going to be a double-act (may as well talk to each other - nobody else is interested), you need to decide WHO is going to be WHO
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 20 - 02:39 PM

https://www.livemint.com/Politics/2XisSUc2zugK1AkPagHgEN/Joseph-Stalin-is-greatest-individual-of-all-time-according.html


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 20 - 02:14 PM

It takes a special level of ignorance not to be able to tell the difference between Humanity, Intelligence AND EDUCATION
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 20 - 01:15 PM

HOW ITHERS SEE HIM
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 20 - 08:47 AM

From the news today it seems that the business crown have wone the argument and economics does take priority over general well-being
A bit of "we won't relax till we know it's safe to do so" lip-service but a cabinet meeting of how to proceed early next week seems to suggest either that that is not the intention ot the arse doesn't know what the elbow is doing - either is possible
We'll see
It's far too early to relax in the U.K. - even Boris the Brainless knows that

The ail has now put forward a staged plan for returning to normal - the news-item said the UK is nowhere near in a position to do that
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 May 20 - 10:06 AM

Not the parties Rain Dog - parliament as a whole
It is significant that, when the Newly formed Six Counties in Norther Irland began to flex their muscles in order to build a sectarina state, one of the first things they did was to abolish PR; First past the post = political dominnce over co-operation every time
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Rain Dog
Date: 01 May 20 - 09:47 AM

I too think PR would be better BUT it would need politicians and political parties to change their attitudes. I don't see that happening too soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 01 May 20 - 09:42 AM

I can't speak for Jim, but I always accepted that having UKIP, the BNP or whoever as part of the representation was the price you would have to pay for a proportional system. Even so, I support a proportional system.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Rain Dog
Date: 01 May 20 - 09:38 AM

I kinda get the feeling that you were not so keen on PR when UKIP were doing better in the polls Jim.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 May 20 - 08:23 AM

It's at times like this you reliase th importance to changing the electoral system to one that allows a voice to the parties that put the interests of people higher than that of the rich and powerful
To a degree, Ireland's PR system puts a brake on the right-wing parties by forcing them to justify themselves in the Dail - not the case in Britain
There it is a bear garden where opposition is shouted down and Parliamentarians behave like hooligan children regularly
Money matters should play no part in decisions of life and death such as when the lock-down should be relaxes - it is arrogant nonsense to suggest they should
This has to be a decision taken on scientific advice only
It is diversive crap to suggest that science is divided on this - it ****** isn't - the lockdown should be eased only when it is safe for it to be no matter what the economic consequences

It is true that the present economic structure may collapse - that structure began to do so with the widening wealth gap and the turning of plumbers, carpenters and electricians..... - all those who make our society's wheels revolve by providing the needs of everyday living, into "workers" forced into unsuitable jobs because their old ones are no longer profitable
Unfortunately, we don't live in a society that allows open debate on questions like this so we have to rely on good-will and the crumbs from the tables of others
Things cannot and will not return to where they were- they will eiher worsen or be changed out od necessity
Maybe this is a wake-up call

Happy Birthday Baccie - you don't look a day over 199
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 May 20 - 07:50 AM

200


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 May 20 - 07:33 AM

I see no medical ad advisors on that list RD
Possibly in line with the article in this morning's Times which says that "Politicians must have the final say" and there is nothing wrong with unelected non-experts like Scumminigs being a part of these decisions
One of the impressions his public appearances have left me with is that he isn't exactly a fastidious individual and doesn't put personal hygene on his list of 'must-dos'
I wonder if the attendees will ask for protective clothing - just a thought
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Rain Dog
Date: 01 May 20 - 07:25 AM

From the BBC

"The government will release a series of papers next week outlining its approach on how to safely and gradually restart the economy.
It invited submissions by Thursday from businesses, trade bodies, unions and other workers representatives on how best to slowly restart the UK economy.
It's thought the proposals will not be split bluntly by sector but by working environment.
But there is no confirmed date yet for when such a restart will occur."

How the government plans to get the UK back to work


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 May 20 - 07:07 AM

What have I told you about drinking late Steve ?

Despite expert advice to the contrary and his own promised recently, Johnson has said that they will hold a cabinet meeting necxt week in order to get the lock-down ended as soon as possible for the sake of the British Economy
Priorities always were to the forefront in Tory policy, weren't they
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 May 20 - 06:21 AM

Hey Barb'ry, would you be kind enough to remove this and my previous three posts? I'm in the wrong thread don't y'know! Sorry...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 May 20 - 04:50 AM

No it hasn't: I put this in the wrong thread. It should have gone in the Congratulations one. Think I'll go back to bed and get up again...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 May 20 - 04:48 AM

Oops, me context has disappeared! :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 May 20 - 04:47 AM

There was a young lady called Dinah
With a music box in her vagina
The boys they had larks
To the sweet sound of Bach's
Toccata and fugue in D minor


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 May 20 - 04:32 AM

Just had conirmation that something is happening with Heathrow, though my mate says it is "posturing" on the part of BA

" the world doesn’t end beyond the M25."
'Course it doesn't it ends at the Naas Road - according to Dublin
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Rain Dog
Date: 01 May 20 - 04:28 AM

Contrary to the delusion most politicians and fackin’ satherners seem suffer from, the world doesn’t end beyond the M25.

M25? That is well in the north for some of us.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 May 20 - 03:55 AM

"Heathrow"
I only heard it in passing, but I could have sworn Heathrow was mentioned ans being adversely effected - might have overdone the poitín
One of our regular posters wrote to me once boiling with anger about the new runway which was likely to lose him his home
I dropped him a line and am awaiting a reply
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 May 20 - 01:56 AM

They should do it. We have a large airport not far from here, with A1, M1, and East Coast Main Line links, a huge runway (ex-Vulcan base), modern facilities, plenty of room for expansion, and currently very much under-used.

Contrary to the delusion most politicians and fackin’ satherners seem suffer from, the world doesn’t end beyond the M25.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 06:18 PM

Gatwick, Jim, not Heathrow. BA is a very profitable company which is behaving disgracefully.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 01:07 PM

Johnson says that thee crisis has passed its peak but there will not be an easing of the lock-down
British Airways has suggested that it is considering abandoning Heathrow in future   
Ji,


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 10:34 AM

For arts and entertainment, it is at 67%

This is the only one of the sectors mentioned that I have any sort of connection with. I can tell you that Northern Ballet has furloughed all its dancers, orchestra and at least some of the permanent technical staff and is topping up the additional 20% of salary. There are other ancillary staff they have not mentioned in the newsletter I get, but I imagine many of them are not so fortunate. How long they can continue to pay that 20% has to be open to question.

Conversely, a lot of people in the arts are on short term contracts, to cover one particular film, show or whatever. All of the people I am in touch with in that position have had the contract terminated.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 10:05 AM

80% of employees in the hospitality sector may have been furloughed. For arts and entertainment, it is at 67%, whilst construction and manufacturing come in at 40% and 29% respectively.
Only one local authority district in the country – Oxford – sees less than one in five employees furloughed, and even there the level is 19%. The overall rate of furloughing, across the country, is 27%.
British Airways will make 12,000 staff redundant despite the availability of an 80% wage subsidy.
This all suggests things will not be what they used to be at the end of lockdown.
Was the great depression but a walk in the park?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 08:47 AM

Keep digging! You may think you have immunity.Defamation is defamation and actionable.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 08:15 AM

Won't hold my breath - wind and pee, like the barber's cat
You know as well as I that this scumbag is a con-man and would not dare prod this sleeping giant
The fact that you defend him at a time when the British People are locked down fearing for their lives and worrying whether thay will have jobs puts you in his brackeT Patriotism - little Brit style writ large, I would say

A medical expert has saidd that the lock-down cannot be eased until (at the very least) The Government has a long-term plan for testing
At present they have no plan for tomorrow - only acute shortages of equipment
It's gonna be a long - long summer
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 08:04 AM

Look forward to the extradition papers - bring it on
Not near as much as I.



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/a-click-from-the-courts-online-libel-never-easier-1.1252882


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 07:00 AM

"I hope you have deep pockets!"
Look forward to the extradition papers - bring it on
I think this confirms that you hate Britain far more than those you accuse of doing so
Great start to the day, I'd have thought
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 05:53 AM

"They should all resign.
"
Maybe the whole Government should resign and make room for your mate Tommy
Waddya think ?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 05:05 AM

The electoral commplaints Authority is supposed to have evidence before attempting a prosecuuution. Obviously they had none. Therefore the futile exercise was a waste of public money. They should all resign.

Now the British police have come under attack again, this time for prosecuting someone who has fairly obviously breached the laws regarding the Brexit referendum - he has obviously done wrong but has covered his tracks well enough to hide the evidence
The police do not prosecte and the rest of your accusation is simply defamaion. I hope you have deep pockets! r


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 04:15 AM

"Pro-Brexit campaigner Arron Banks has threatened to sue the Electoral Commission "
You'd think he was rich enough with his Brexit scam - people like that don't do anything from dedication or altruism

Some time ago we, who disapproved of the policies and actions of the right (including the British Tories) were accused of being 'Anglophobes'
The first time I became aware of the accuser's own opinion of Britain big time was when he attacked the British Courts for jailing Tommy Robinson for interfering with a British trial, he spent several postings publicising the then circulation of an on-line petition to "Free Tommy Robinson" - it was being circulated by Robinson's own organisation, a spin-off from the defunct National Front
So our 'Anglophobe' accuser appears to have an intense dislike of The British Justice System and its administrators

His contempt for The British Press is ongoing as he chooses to dismiss it in favour of a right-wing blogger with a criminal record who has a history of support for The National Front
So our souce of British information runs a poor second to a criminal blogger
The British Broadcasting Corporation has come under regular attack for broadcasting 'Fake News' - again, he prefers the criminal blogger
No time for Britisdh 'free speech' then

When the police arrested Tommy Robinson again for assaulting an innocent bystander at a swimming pool for no reason other than being there, they were accused by our defender of British honour as being biased and allowing a non-existent pedophile to go free (no evidence of peadofilia has ever emerged

Now the British police have come under attack again, this time for prosecuting someone who has fairly obviously breached the laws regarding the Brexit referendum - he has obviously done wrong but has covered his tracks well enough to hide the evidence
Had it been a Remain supporter in the case, there is little doubt that our 'Anglofile' would be carrying a rope and looking for the nearest tree
So our British Bobbies are both time and public money wasters and supporters of peadofilia
Oor British forces of Law and order are crap, it seems

When the Brexit fight got serious, our hero was insisting that those who were opposing the fight to leave were "traitors" and should be thrown out of Parliament - little respect for British Democracy there - it appears

Now he is gloating over the fact that our Brexit scam-artist is to sue Britain for interfering with his business interests - at a time when Britain is entering for an economic depression, thanks to a world-wide pandemic
Wonder what place the future of the British people during inevitable hard times rates on his like-dislike scale - not high, obviously - the making wealthier of someone with far too much already is far more important

It is difficult to see what exactly this Anglofile actually likes about Britain - not very much as far as I can see
Any suggestions ?
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Apr 20 - 04:07 AM

Coronavirus: New antibody test ‘with 99 per cent accuracy’ approved for use across Europe

This is good news, especially for the researchers. The sample size mentioned in the article sounds a little low to be confident of that 99% accuracy, but I am sure those who approved it have looked into it more thoroughly than I can.

There is a paragraph "Dr Clarke added the test was useful to authorities because it showed “how the virus has moved through the population” but added “for the general public it of no immediate utility.” I would echo that on what we know so far, because most people do not understand the relationship between test accuracy and the number of false results it gives. We do not know how widespread the virus is in the population, but if 5% of the population have it, a back of the envelope calculation would be that the test gives an incorrect result about 19% of the time. As we don't really know what the percentage of infection is, I have made an estimate based on the number of tests and the number of those that tested positive, but it is very rough and ready, because most asymptomatic people would not get tested, meaning the actual percentage who have had the virus could be a lot higher.

If we were getting the 20% false results, those medics involved in serious testing will understand that and treat it accordingly, but I am far from convinced the general public will.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 04:06 PM

The latest development is that inquests into the deaths of health care workers who fall victim of coronavirus have been instructed NOT to look at the issue of lack of PPE.


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