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BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)

meself 17 Apr 20 - 09:25 PM
JennieG 17 Apr 20 - 08:38 PM
gillymor 17 Apr 20 - 12:30 PM
Donuel 17 Apr 20 - 11:39 AM
Charmion's brother Andrew 17 Apr 20 - 07:49 AM
Charmion 16 Apr 20 - 09:18 AM
Donuel 16 Apr 20 - 08:32 AM
Donuel 16 Apr 20 - 08:12 AM
Donuel 15 Apr 20 - 06:40 PM
Mrrzy 15 Apr 20 - 12:08 PM
Bill D 15 Apr 20 - 10:00 AM
Steve Shaw 15 Apr 20 - 06:43 AM
Joe_F 14 Apr 20 - 06:29 PM
Bat Goddess 14 Apr 20 - 04:56 PM
Donuel 14 Apr 20 - 03:23 PM
EBarnacle 14 Apr 20 - 03:06 PM
Mrrzy 14 Apr 20 - 02:39 PM
Steve Shaw 14 Apr 20 - 02:20 PM
EBarnacle 14 Apr 20 - 02:14 PM
Donuel 14 Apr 20 - 08:53 AM
Mrrzy 14 Apr 20 - 08:40 AM
Donuel 14 Apr 20 - 07:04 AM
Mr Red 14 Apr 20 - 06:15 AM
Mrrzy 14 Apr 20 - 12:40 AM
meself 13 Apr 20 - 11:06 PM
Donuel 13 Apr 20 - 10:02 PM
Steve Shaw 13 Apr 20 - 09:24 PM
Sandra in Sydney 13 Apr 20 - 08:30 PM
Doug Chadwick 13 Apr 20 - 07:15 PM
Donuel 13 Apr 20 - 06:39 PM
CupOfTea 13 Apr 20 - 03:26 PM
Mrrzy 11 Apr 20 - 09:32 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Apr 20 - 05:32 AM
meself 11 Apr 20 - 12:07 AM
Joe Offer 10 Apr 20 - 09:46 PM
Mrrzy 10 Apr 20 - 08:24 PM
Senoufou 10 Apr 20 - 05:35 PM
Mrrzy 10 Apr 20 - 05:20 PM
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Senoufou 10 Apr 20 - 02:40 PM
Donuel 10 Apr 20 - 02:01 PM
Mrrzy 10 Apr 20 - 01:57 PM
Mrrzy 10 Apr 20 - 01:57 PM
Senoufou 10 Apr 20 - 01:28 PM
Sandra in Sydney 10 Apr 20 - 11:48 AM
Charmion 10 Apr 20 - 11:22 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: meself
Date: 17 Apr 20 - 09:25 PM

Reminds of years back one time, listening to an old Ontario farmer complaining: "These dogbone lawyers - they make all the dogbone laws, and they put these dogbone loop-holes in'm that only they can pull you through!"


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From: JennieG
Date: 17 Apr 20 - 08:38 PM

gillymor......"dadgummed" is a wonderful word. I shall keep it in mind.

Many years ago I saw a keyring in someone else's possession: "Phuque housework!"


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From: gillymor
Date: 17 Apr 20 - 12:30 PM

WVA guv on reopening up his state- "You're dadgummed if you do and dadgummed if you don't."


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Apr 20 - 11:39 AM

Andrew carries on the fresh spirit of Mad Magazine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 17 Apr 20 - 07:49 AM

"It's new, improved Fresh Hell(TM) with 50% more sulphur and twice the brimstone!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Charmion
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 09:18 AM

But what fresh hell is this?


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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 08:32 AM

Ever notice that all hell breaks out and never just some hell?


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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 08:12 AM

Oh heII, I remember it now Bill


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 06:40 PM

To be infinitely concise,
is wise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 12:08 PM

Nice, Joe!


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From: Bill D
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 10:00 AM

Paul Krassner... of "The Realist" fame used to offer for sale a bumper sticker that said "F*CK CENSORSHIP!"

I liked it, but never ordered one.... but I worked in a store that made t-shirts with decals and lettering... so I made myself one in honor of the demise of "The Realist". Still have it in a drawer somewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 06:43 AM

I always thought that a euphemism was a medium-size conical bore tenor-voiced brass instrument. Why, my uncle played the euphemism in Besses Band in the fifties and sixties...


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Joe_F
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 06:29 PM

As for me, I am so intolerant of euphemism, I damn my socks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 04:56 PM

Ebbie, I was just going to post the same story -- you beat me to it.

Some people have really prissy attitudes towards "questionable" language. And even I had to watch my vocabulary when I was in retail positions or substitute teaching.

But otherwise my vocabulary is as extensive as Charmion's and I don't hesitate to use it...most of the time. I rein it in when in conversation a few of my friends who find it offensive, but in general I'm a "classy lady who uses 'fuck' a lot".

Sometimes to keep from offending tender ears I'll use the word in another language. So I'd like to point out that if you hear me utter what sounds like "shit", I'm actually saying it in Norwegian. (Skitt)

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 03:23 PM

Euphemism or not
The future ain't what it used to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 03:06 PM

By the way, the Bryson book is well worth reading.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 02:39 PM

I have also said, with feeling, expletive deleted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 02:20 PM

I remember Jeremy on The Session building in automatic substitutes for swear words. One absurdity that ensued was that we could no longer type "Scunthorpe," as it was altered to "Seejithorpe."


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 02:14 PM

100

Once, when I was working in my state correctional system, I was told, after writing "buggered" in a report, that the preferred term was "sodomized."

As anyone who know his or her ropes can tell you, the declivity between strands of laid roper is called the "contline." Having checked the history of the term, the original was "cuntline" because of similarity to the resemblance to labia. Presumably, an earlier Dr. Bowdler persuaded user to change it out of deference to the ladies.

My preferred euphemism for Hell is Hades--different word, same meaning.
When sufficiently ired, I sometimes say "sugar, brown sugar" for "shit."

If I am dealing with sensitive types, in place of [your choice of curse word or invective here], I have been known to say "maledictions."


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 08:53 AM

"Will the owner of the Ford that is blocking everyone in the driveway please go to Helena Handbasket. Again go to Helena Handbasket"


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 08:40 AM

Are you guys doing wants pawn term?

And of Tom Lehrer at that. I am musically impressed.

Next will be mots d'heure, gousses, rames, and the inevitable result of child marriage.

Things I learned when my sister emigrated to Tas include I'll have his balls for a bowtie (improving on guts for garters).


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From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 07:04 AM

obscurist but OK.

No knee to mist a sing gull Mormon of D agro-sizing hollow cross.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 06:15 AM

NZ Graffiti (c 1987)

When the Atom Drums Bop Whale oil beef hooked...


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 12:40 AM

Verb you!


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From: meself
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 11:06 PM

In the recently-revived thread on Ned Kelly, there is some discussion about whether the word "adjectival" was ever actually used in Australia as an adjectival euphemism, or whether that was dreamed up by a novelist. Several Australians said they'd never heard of it; one, however, said it was a favourite euphemism of her grandmother. Make of that what you will - you adjectival nouns, you!!


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From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 10:02 PM

Once in a blue moon Steve makes me laugh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 09:24 PM

I prefer to compromise, Doug. To me, it's sh*it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 08:30 PM

Australians were once very good at nicknames & insults, but 4-letter words took over.

speaking of well put together insults ...

in yesterday's sort out (a small part of a gi-normous ongoing & often unmoving clean up) I found a scrap of paper where I'd scribbled these classics, dunno when I noted them or where they came from.

drunk? drunk? he was as full as two race trains.

under the bar with the rest of the dead spirits


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 07:15 PM

.................
He's slicker'n owl sh*t.
..................



Why did you feel unable to write the full word "shit", Donuel? This seems to sum up the absurdity referred to in the opening post.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 06:39 PM

"He's puttin down hay where the goats can't get it."

he’s stuck up higher than a light-pole.
he has his nose so high in the air he could drown in a rainstorm.
He thinks the sun comes up just to hear him crow.
You're lower than a snake's belly in a wagon rut.
He's slicker'n owl sh*t.
She’s meaner than a wet panther.
He's a snake in the grass.
Why, that egg-suckin' dawg!
Worthless as gum on a boot heel!
Even a dog knows when its kicked on purpose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: CupOfTea
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 03:26 PM

I grew up in a house where the use of obscenities was considered evidence of a meagre vocabulary. "Bitch" was a female dog, no euphamizing it, "bastard" was a kind of a file. I appreciated the finesse of a well put together insult, particularly if it went over the head of it's target.

As a schoolkid, learning the forbidden words, and exploring useful euphamisms, things like "H E double hockey sticks" had no lasting appeal, but were a transition to having the gumption to use using the actual words. I don't know exactly how I got to the point of using what I do now, but it definitely gets modified by where I am. I agree with meself's comments above about "gosh" and "darn." I know using "good grief!" comes from exposure to Peanuts, but I don't think "good God!" was ever part of my repertoire. Sometimes using a colorful euphamism is a trick of rhetoric to emphasize an artificiality. In recent years, I see the use of obscenities as a way to emphasize the vehemence of my comments. Exposure to the gleefully obscene approach to insults from Scotland has been a bit of inspiration.

I am much more foulmouthed in person than online/in print. Part of that is choosing words more carefully when taking the time to write. I confess to using "fuck" as an exclaimation of frustration often. "Ohforfucksake" I do not tend to use it in print. No, my IPhone and iPad do that for me, much to my disgust & I must carefully proofread. Fun though it might be, I do NOT go to "fuck festivals."

Joanne in Cleveland


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 09:32 AM

Senator says something. Other character (reporter?) says, the senator's wrong. Senator's aide says, quietly, The polite way to disagree with the senator is That turns out not to be the case. Reporter's face lights up, Hey, I like that! Anyway, the senator's wrong.
Joe reminded me of that scene from Lucifer's Hammer.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 05:32 AM

Whale oil beef hooked...


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From: meself
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 12:07 AM

Just for the heck of - whoops! I mean HELL of it - talk of the Ottawa Valley reminded me of the singer-songwriter Mac Beatty: The Banks of the Ottawa


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 09:46 PM

I used to get the biggest kick out of it when my formerly-Baptist mother-in-law said "Gosh all hemlock." It became a family joke. And when we'd laugh, she'd laugh. She was lovely.

And my favorite nun, a very innocent soul who's almost 80 and sometimes seems like a little girl, feels very daring when she says, "Jeesum Cripes!"

Up above, Doug Chadwick calls them "minced oaths," a great term. I think they can be very funny, and I think a lot of them are meant humorously. Some are almost an art form.

I used to say, "For-get you!" My camp song partner Joe McCarthy (same name, same family) worked for Teddy Kennedy. One time, Teddy heard him say it, and Teddy said, "Hey, I like that!"

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......(euphemizing hell)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 08:24 PM

Now I laugh.

Senoufou une fois les histoires finies je viens vous rendre visite.


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From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 05:35 PM

Ah Andrew, that's probably the explanation. I stayed with my aunt & uncle in London Ontario after flying to Montreal and visiting Toronto & Ottawa. The people I met were just fellow-travellers and random folk.
Have to add that I found the Canadians extremely friendly and kind. Several invited me to stay for a day or two in their holiday cabins on the shores of the Great Lakes, and I can say I've swum in every one!

Mrrzy, I've just put your translation to my husband and he says you're quite right, but he didn't want to tell me all the gory details!


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From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 05:20 PM

Senoufou, c'était pour lui.

I was taught your mom has a fat assHOLE, implying an affinity for anal sex, and Your dad has the dick of a lizard, implying tiny.


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From: Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 05:00 PM

Sen, two factors may explain why your experience of vulgar usage in Ottawa and Montreal is different from mine: you may have not been with vulgar sorts that I worked with in the Primary Reserve of the Canadian Forces and, in the case of Ottawa, it has a fair few CFAs, as it is a company town that draws from other regions.

Indeed, the Wikipedia article on Ottawa Valley English remarks on the loss of the accent in the city and environs.


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From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:40 PM

Pwaaaagh haaaagh haaaagh Mrrzy!!! "Your mum's fat bum!" "Your dad's huge willy!" Husband is laughing fit to burst!


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From: Donuel
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:01 PM

Sen you are a silver tongued devil.


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From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:57 PM

I fa fro bassa!


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From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:57 PM

I ba boda baa!


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From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:28 PM

My very naughty husband has taught me a few swear words of Malinke. When he was on the phone to his family (including his venerable old mum!) he begged me to demonstrate. I was most reluctant but he insisted, so I said, "Eh boh dah! Ee air eh!" (F*** off and the same to you) There were loud shrieks of delight and much laughter from the other end, and I was made to repeat it again and again as different family members came on the phone to enjoy it. I was like a performing circus animal!
When I was teaching,I took no end of pupils 40 at a time (12 yr olds) on week-long visits to France. We stayed in Etretat in Normandy. In the evenings my co-helpers and I would sit in the café and were served by some rather stand-offish people. But I couldn't resist letting loose in fluent French to them and they were amazed. But they expressed their appreciation by bringing me a huge bowl of blooming snails. Yuk!


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From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 11:48 AM

you have lived in interesting times, Charmion

Back in the 80s a friend was an ESL teacher, teaching (Australian) English to Vietnamese Australians who had learnt their English in the French/Vietnamese school system, so naturally they couldn't understand conversational Australian English.

10 years ago I was teaching sewing at a Craft group run by a friend's church with a large Japanese congregation. Naturally these women couldn't cope with conversational English & the group offered ESL classes too.

sandra


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From: Charmion
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 11:22 AM

Sen, if you had that experience at age 17, I think you may have encountered the first stirrings of a social-political movement called the Quiet Revolution that was all about Quebecois folks asserting themselves, their language and their culture against the remnants of colonialism, French and British alike. You also ran into our version of class-conscious reverse snobbery.

In 1969, I got a job in a charity shop sorting donations in a warehouse with a group of working-class Francophone women, none of whom had any schooling after their mid-teens. Their conversation was salty, rapid and conducted at top volume, and I learned a great deal from them -- much of it bad. To them, my Anglophone high-school French was a never-ending source of hilarity mixed with scorn.

Years later, I was in the armed forces and posted in Germany, at a little fighter base on the Rhine River. France was fifteen minutes away by car, and my friends and I frequently popped across the Rhine to shop and dine. My French was comparatively fluent, for an Anglophone with no specialized language training, so I did much of the talking. Every exchange began with the French person snickering and turning to a colleague to say the 1977 Alsatian equivalent of "Get a load a this!" I soon learned that my Ottawa Valley accent sounded to them much as the English of Gomer Pyle sounded to me.

I learned a lot of German, and by the time I left the service and returned to Canada I was fluent enough to understand the news on the radio, read the Badischer Tagblatt, and pay my electric bill at the village Rathaus without help. So it was a no-brainer to join a German choir when the opportunity presented itself. It was deja-vu all over again when my fellow choristers -- almost all immigrants from places like Berlin and Frankfurt -- heard my German, flavoured as it was by the country stylings of Baden-Wurttemberg. Along with learning to sing Bach cantatas, I got a crash course in Hochdeutsch pronunciation, kindly but unsparingly delivered by literally every native German speaker in the choir. I have never been so nagged in my life, even in recruit school.


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From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 04:03 AM

Hee hee Sandra, I flatter myself that my French accent has always been quite good (Parys as you say!) as I used to listen to French radio stations and copied our school 'Assistante'. I'd got an AS grade in my 'A'level before the Canadian trip. But my Ontario cousin told me that the Quebecois had a distinctive accent in French, and maybe they thought I was taking the piss!


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From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 03:22 AM

Senoufou, were you speaking the French of Stratford-atte-Bowe, rather than Parys or Quebec?


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From: BobL
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 03:01 AM

Couldn't resist this, but it seems appropriate:

There was a young girl from Madras
Who had a most elegant ass
Not, as you might think,
Soft, rounded, and pink,
It was grey, had long ears, and ate grass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Can someone tell me.......
From: JennieG
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 12:55 AM

Aussies also say "arse". An ass is an animal.

The longer drawn-out sound of "aahhrse" is so much more satisfying that a quickly snapped off "ass".


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