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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Donuel 14 May 20 - 04:08 PM
Mr Red 14 May 20 - 01:51 PM
Mr Red 14 May 20 - 01:46 PM
Mrrzy 14 May 20 - 09:53 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 20 - 04:08 PM

There is a benefit to putting patients in a coma with a ventllator but it benefits doctors and nurses in terms of being able to tend to people who are conscious and breathing. It is true that sometimes forcing air into sore lungs is beneficial.
It is partly a matter of emotional relief. Some people are stressed hearing a baby cry. Hearing 200 people choking to death is stressful.
I would not condemn anyone who has to make survival choices when there are so few choices one can make.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 May 20 - 01:51 PM

lack of oxygen in the blood, and headaches? wasn't that one of the symptoms?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 May 20 - 01:46 PM

Former CDC Intel Officer Dr. Rishi Desai on Why It's Hard to Get a Grip on the Coronavirus Pandemic

It is 50 minutes long, but one thing caught my attention. The doc was saying the virus, when it finds its way to the bloodstream, results in a reduced ability for the blood to transport oxygen. Which supports the contention I have seen elsewhere (and posted here) that ventilating, per se, is not that effective.

And Sir Peter Piot (formost authority on pandemics!) has done videos on the effects of the virus that he has only just got through, er still recovering!
He tells of kidney damage, lack of strength, and more.

When you put it together with the lack of oxygen in the blood, - organ damage is understandable. Peter Piot is saying "You don't want this disease".

I believe him, I believe him!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 May 20 - 09:53 AM

Barry, dude.

Loud talking:https://m.jpost.com/health-science/loud-speech-can-leave-coronavirus-in-air-for-up-to-14-minutes-study-627972/amp

Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 20 - 01:27 AM

Since Dave Berry is retired I gotta do my own Dave Berry.
By using anachronistic facts, the absurdity shines even brighter.
Hey Ebbie this milk smells funny...you drink it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 May 20 - 12:52 AM

Donuel, I sometimes enjoy your posts but among the things for which I am grateful is that you are not a journalist. Your reporting is specious.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 20 - 08:32 PM

Good News - The death toll was overestimated by half according to Trump and Dr. Birx.

The 'inflated' death total included people who only had the virus but died from falling down stairs, or that they were going to die anyway and didn't die directly from Corona virus.

Dr. Fauci said the opposite. The numbers are under estimated.

Trump responded "I like the numbers where they are, I don't want the numbers to double. Dr. Fauci is unacceptable."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 20 - 09:24 AM

Men have more of an enzyme that helps Covid to enter cells of the heart kidney and lungs.

Avoid buffets like the plague.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 May 20 - 05:31 AM

It attacks the heart, weakening its muscles and disrupting its critical rhythm.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell I would dispute the contention that we would not expect it to affect any of our muscles. Ask anyone who had ME/Yuppy 'flu/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. The virus (Epstein Barr, Cocksackie B, etc) lives in the muscles and every time you get a cold the muscles weaken. It re-awakens the virus. FWIW Glandular Fever is a manifestation of the Epstein Barr virus and that is a chronic condition.

In the 80s, my doctor thought it was psychological, I insisted on a second opinion, I had the tests, and the specialist said "you had a virus". "Which one?" says I. "We don't know".

Thanks - but that is what I told the bloody doctor in the first place.
3 years later I saw a TV prog and my evidence fitted about ½ of all symptoms. In a syndrome you don't get them all.

My solution at the time was to fight it, eg run up stairs and get the pain at the top, not on each step. Apparently fighting psychologically is deemed a good methodology. But how fit would I be now without that burden? Who knows, you habituate to the new norm, like a poorer short term memory. It is what it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 12 May 20 - 02:47 PM

Cytokine Storm

How an immune system has evolved, developed, how efficient, super efficient or lacking all play a role in the response to Covod 19. It is not surprising that various immune reponses act differently.

Sorry that merely understanding this does not help.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 May 20 - 02:40 AM

Covid toes
it can present with skin problems, a bit like chilblains I have heard.

We have seen almost a hive-like rash ............ It’s hard for us to know if this is a viral manifestation or an immune response

- Right Oh, right toe.






I'll get my surgical gown.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 May 20 - 04:52 PM

More than four months of clinical experience across Asia, Europe and North America has shown the pathogen does much more than invade the lungs. “No one was expecting a disease that would not fit the pattern of pneumonia and respiratory illness,” said David Reich, a cardiac anesthesiologist and president of Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City.

It attacks the heart, weakening its muscles and disrupting its critical rhythm. It savages kidneys so badly some hospitals have run short of dialysis equipment. It crawls along the nervous system, destroying taste and smell and occasionally reaching the brain. It creates blood clots that can kill with sudden efficiency and inflames blood vessels throughout the body.


Talk about a moving target.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 May 20 - 04:35 PM

New symptomogies here.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 20 - 02:41 PM

Shanghai opens Disneyland singing "its a microscopic world afterall"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 May 20 - 12:50 PM

An NHS worker we know, when asked - if the NHS Nightingale hospitals are empty, why are Covid 19 patients in our private hospitals, replied that maybe because it limits the travel of the virus. If people isolated as locally as possible, maybe it contains the virus to the area that they are in. Rather than taking the virus to another area where the virus already is too, and making the virus stronger there.

A lot of sense in that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 May 20 - 01:50 PM

Sounds like hydronium could also make a wet battery heavier than lithium. I'm spitballing like Trump.

Most water will have some hydronium in it


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 May 20 - 10:16 AM

Tygrus on LinkedIn

About Us
Tygrus is a platform technology company that has innovative, proprietary chemistries and systems for use across a wide range of industries from water and industrial waste stream remediation to industrial cleaning solutions and food processing.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 May 20 - 09:48 AM

Anyone heard of Hydronium ? H3 O+

I was listening to a Youtube video about Lithium Ion batteries and the guy who developed GM's batteries until 7 years ago when he went to china to develop Lithium Ion for CATL. A big fish in battery technology who also majored in biology as a student.

The subject came up about Tygrus (Troy, Michigan) who had an improved method of obtaining it. No mention of volumes or cost.

But what was said is that it is benign to Eukaryotes (anything built from cells with a cell wall - like us) and kills 99.999% of viruses, in one minute (he pointed out kill was a misnomer but you get the idea). What was not said was its effect on bacteria (non eukaryotic), which I would compare to penicillin in that if it kills so many bacteria there are side-effects, like the shits.

My point here is: "is this the disinfectant that Twitler referred to?". Him being limited on any subject that doesn't include him.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 May 20 - 09:45 AM

Siegfried lost Roy


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 May 20 - 09:18 AM

The US relies on China for 90% of antibiotics.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/us-dependence-pharmaceutical-products-china

When it comes to Heparin
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-110hhrg53183/html/CHRG-110hhrg53183.htm

The US will not join or speak to the 8 Billion Euro vaccine quest.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 20 - 05:16 AM

That's all true except for the fact that we're not allowed to visit. I used to see my mum four times a week. I haven't seen her now for two months. The other hazards you mention are very difficult to reduce.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 May 20 - 03:48 AM

Wise thoughts concerning care homes:

"With and without irregularities what did they expect to happen to the geriatrics? Attendees can't keep social distance if they have to wash them, feed them, move them, changing sheets, medicating...
Doctors and employees don't live there... they have to move, they are potential virus carriers.

Just like us if we go visiting "unnecessarily"

And we can also infect being asymptomatic!"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 May 20 - 06:46 PM

There is no "world supply" of blood thinners. Go chew some willow bark, or eat a lot of garlic, or befriend an organic chemist...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 20 - 05:08 PM

The realistic number of those infected in the US is somewhere between a minimum of 10 million and a maximum of unknown.

The stated infected numbers are arrant nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 20 - 04:54 PM

Guess who makes the world supply of blood thinners?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 May 20 - 01:39 PM

Seriously.

Also this:

Apparently blood thinners help, not with preventing it but with surviving it: blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 May 20 - 05:07 PM

Latest lunacy from a USAian - a federal judge in the US has ordered Massachusetts authorities to allow gun shops to reopen, suggesting a rule to close them during the coronavirus crisis imposed an “improper burden” on the constitutional rights of citizens.

Gun shops were closed in March along with other businesses deemed non-essential.

However, some purchasers, retailers and gun rights groups sued, arguing it was an unconstitutional ban on acquiring firearms and ammunition for self-defence purposes.

US district judge Douglas Woodlock said he would direct the state to allow gun shops to reopen on Saturday with social distancing measures.

Absolute bollocks


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 May 20 - 11:20 AM

Argh. My uncle is dying of old age and his old folks' home won't even let his children come say goodbye, let alone meeeeeeeee.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 06 May 20 - 02:27 PM

" Live And Let Die."

You can't make this shit up.

HEIL TRUMP!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 May 20 - 12:37 PM

Fatsos beware.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 May 20 - 11:27 AM

The twins and sibs cited in this article lived together in the same environment and had underlying health risks.

“These deaths alert people to the fact that this could be genetic, but when people live together they share an environment as well,” Spector said. The upshot is that twins who live together are more likely to have similar lifestyles and behaviours, from diet and exercise habits to how quickly they seek medical care. Twins are not generally less healthy than the wider population. . . . “When twins or siblings tragically die with Covid-19 that captures our attention, but that doesn’t mean there’s any particular reason to think twins or siblings are at greater risk.”


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 May 20 - 09:57 AM

It's not news yet but interesting research is being done on twins and siblings, seems symptomology roughly 50% genetics so far...

Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 May 20 - 09:44 AM

Children have been being misdiagnosed, rather than not getting it, as it seems to present differently:

Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 20 - 08:30 AM

I heard it will magically disappear in April
Is it April yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 05 May 20 - 08:23 AM

Trump's push to prematurely open up could be deadly:

NYTimes


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 20 - 06:21 AM

47D11 go team go


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 May 20 - 06:16 PM

Also this, which I find encouraging:

Hey I can do blickies again!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 20 - 12:10 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/happy-hypoxia-unusual-coronavirus-effect-baffles-doctors

good catch Mrrzy


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 20 - 12:08 PM

The coming pandemic -Austrailian documentary version
Is highly informative!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 May 20 - 09:14 AM

Happy (silent) hypoxia

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/happy-hypoxia-unusual-coronavirus-effect-baffles-doctors


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 20 - 09:09 AM

Kids being potty trained are virtually immune to Covid 19 so Trump suggested older people could shit their pants for similar results :^/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 May 20 - 08:27 AM

Ah, thanks. Like POC.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 May 20 - 05:38 AM

"bonzo , i notice your posts are a trifle dogmatic"

So they are! Our greyhound in her lockdownness decided to dig a hole in the lower level of our garden this morning until I bribed her away with treats!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 20 - 12:40 PM

Hows this for dogmatic

1. Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.
2. Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.
3. Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.
4. Oh the First World War, boys
It came and it went
The reason for fighting
I never did get
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.
5. When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And then we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.
6. I've learned to hate the Russians
All through my whole life
If another war comes
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.
7. But now we got weapons
Of biological dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.
8. Through isolation days
I've heard old war cries
between the blues and greys
Reds say $ is above lives
Some blame it on the yellow
You'll have to decide
Who rings most hollow
had God on his side.
9. So now as I'm coughin'
I'm weary as hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
no tongue can tell
I hear myself sayin
if God's on our side
He'll stop the next war
and won't let it hide.

Walkabout Don


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 May 20 - 12:18 PM

bonzo , i notice your posts are a trifle dogmatic


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 02 May 20 - 11:33 AM

BAME:- Black, Asian, minority ethnic.

i.e. non white.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 20 - 11:22 AM

Don't ask, he'll just send more bad poetry your way.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 May 20 - 09:29 AM

Bame?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 May 20 - 04:21 AM

Think about the wording!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 May 20 - 03:57 AM

Archaeology eh, Bonz? A very appropriate course to be studied by an Anachronism.


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