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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Doug Chadwick 25 Apr 20 - 02:33 PM
Mrrzy 25 Apr 20 - 01:20 PM
gillymor 25 Apr 20 - 08:15 AM
Backwoodsman 25 Apr 20 - 05:59 AM
Bonzo3legs 25 Apr 20 - 05:57 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 02:33 PM

Over on the UK Politics thread, I made a mistake when I replied to a post, not realising that it was a joke. As it happens, my reply there is more or less appropriate here:-


Never set any store on information that includes the word "apparently".

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 01:20 PM

Kim jong un is apparently probably dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 08:15 AM

Mercifully the White House reports that the Disinfector in Chief is going to pare back appearances at the daily task force "briefings" after turning tail before answering what would have been highly embarrassing disinfectant questions for him at last night's truncated "briefing".
Don't drink bleach.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 05:59 AM

Ah, you’re a qualified doctor and medical research specialist, as well as an accountant, Bonz?

Who knew?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 05:57 AM

Arsenicum Alb might be considered helpful, despite idiot NHS doctors scorn of homeopathy!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Apr 20 - 04:02 AM

Interesting to see where Agent Orange got his duff info from...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 07:59 PM

20% increase in disinfectant poisoning


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 07:32 PM

Local news (npr) said that in our area over a dozen emergency responses were made to people who had applied various disinfectants to their bodys


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 01:32 PM

Oh yeah? In their own words


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 01:28 PM

Now twitler is claiming that his disinfectant discourse last evening was sarcasm directed at reporters which was clearly not the case. There is no end to the mendacity.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 01:09 PM

I have noticed a great deal of pink eye among those interviewed on TV
Nurses, doctors, recovered patients etc.)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 12:59 PM

My toes are officially curled. It's in the eyes, like ebola.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Researchers-found-coronavirus-in-a-patient-s-eyes-15223616.php


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 10:21 AM

Stephen Fry Reveals How Right-Wing Media Crippled America’s Coronavirus Defense

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stephen-fry-fox-news-trump_n_5ea23e27c5b669fd8921e3a3


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 08:20 AM

I gotta hunch that napalm destroys the corona virus better than lysol.
Ask your Dr.if this is good for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 08:13 AM

I don't do the experiments but the reason the packing plants closed is the workers being too sick to pack, not the meat being contaminated.
I have already posted a link to how long this virus lives on various things. Dead meat is not a live host.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 07:29 AM

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-drink-inject-disinfectant-bleach-us-dettol-rb-lysol-094417426.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 07:18 AM

I hope everyone puts a shot of Lysol in their coffee this morning per the suggestion of the Idiot in Chief.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 06:54 AM

Within thirty seconds of my arriving in the fruit and veg aisle in Bude Morrison's yesterday, a masked man and a masked woman, not with each other, barged within one foot of me at the bagged lettuce shelf. An unscientific sample of two, maybe, but it made me suspect that mask-wearing may not be the panacea...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Apr 20 - 02:03 AM

UK human Trial in 2 Universities started.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 06:08 PM

Have you done experiments on how long the virus lives on moist raw meat?

A covid vaccine started human trials today. It contains the protien of the corona spikes.

There are about 70 entities developing vaccines.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:49 PM

Elizabeth Warren just lost a brother to the virus.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:42 PM

The packers, not the meat, are infected.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:45 PM

While you don't have to eat meat, how long does virus live on raw refridgerated meats?

We don't know but Drs have said That Covid is a respiratory/eye/nose throat threat, its safe to eat Covid.

They really don't know, they just make best guesses.
Handling raw meat should be done VERY cautiously

Lots of meat packing plants are closed due to mass infections.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:23 PM

This might be helpful, though not exactly new news: info on how long the virus lives outside people:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/how-long-covid-19-lives-on-surfaces


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 10:47 AM

My local drug store is locked up. Nobody there to staff it?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 09:12 AM

Not just the bottoms of the feet: https://kfor.com/news/covid-toes-puzzling-condition-a-possible-coronavirus-symptom-mostly-seen-in-young-people/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 06:16 PM

it's bad for sure. a ray of good news this morning on twitter..out of a yale lab. look it up yourselves or don't believe me. your choice. said that tests via saliva vs. nasal swabs were superior in results. It seems it would also cut down on personnel. I wonder if all the genealogy labs working with saliva kits could be pressed into service or at least provide expertise. Would not require as much exposure of personnel.

I can not imagine that viral load would not be a huge factor. Constant reexposure, such as in a nursing home, must be really bad. there have to be explanations for the high number of deaths both of staff and residents, athough I do believe many were slow to institute lockdowns etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 02:26 PM

Also this is likely why that giy had his leg amputated: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/

Also survivors may be left with badly trashed kidneys and hearts, not just lungs.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 01:04 PM

SING ALONG


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 12:46 PM

David Carter UK,
the concept of 'Viral Load' was initially my opinion of one possible factor in infection as reasoned from a occams razor simplistic POV.

Age and Underlying conditions remains a known primary factor.

This 'load' factor is untested to my knowledge, so blame me for the speculation. I can not prove this load theory but I do not see that thinking should be discouraged.
^^^^^^^

The US Attorney General Bill Barr says if people sue to be free of what he calls house arrest, the governmnt will side against strict States and side with plaintiffs.
Bill Barr is on the side of genocide


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mossback
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 12:27 PM

Just what the world needs - more crap "poetry"[sic].


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 12:14 PM

Trump should extend his temporary freeze on immigration to a PERMANENT one - respecting Native American/Amerindian/First Nation "Land Rights"
.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 12:06 PM

And now this: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/first-u-s-coronavirus-fatality-found-three-weeks-earlier-than-previously-known.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 10:00 AM

If someone is put on a ventillator due to Covid 19 their chance for survival is only 20%. It is a rare enough event to recover, some hospitals have a protocol of celebrating a recovered patient's release with applause at the exit to the music of Rocky.

Those who are ventilated are put in a medical coma which sometimes leads to blood clots and pulmonary embollisms from the lack of movement. This results in leg amputations when clots are found early.

This 'coroner' virus is a brute but so is the standard care for serious cases.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 07:13 AM

No, I work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday & Friday - at home of course at the moment via Teamviewer to our office server. Not the most satisfactory way of working at the moment, because file transfer speeds have been slow this week.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 05:40 AM

Is that the day you go to work?




I'll get my face mask......................


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Apr 20 - 02:29 AM

My day off - hooraaaaaaaaaay!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 07:17 PM

This just in on Onion news
More Republicans dieing of the pandemic than Democrats
is proof the virus has a bigotry against the right and is a never Trumper.

Militia General Ratner:
This liberal deep state bio warfare against the far right will not stand. "lock and load - or is it load and lock"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 05:15 PM

At first there was a rumor about a couple variants of covid 19 then they said it appears fairly stable and not susceptable to quick mutation. I'm a spectator like everyone else.

The culture war right wingers are ignoring stay at home advisories.
Those politicians who can be bought to open venues like the Vegas Strip and new Shopping Malls are making money. The true red Trumpers are going full goose bonkers to expose themselves to the virus. I will be a spectator to thier mass die off 3 weeks after their grand opening.
The highest fatality rates, which are still only estimations, is about 2%.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 03:05 PM

"The virus is basically the same the world-over."

Is that right? It may be, but I have seen no study of regional variation in the virus. The Wikipedia page on SARS-COV-2 talks about the difference between it and pangolin viruses, but nothing on regional variation or lack of.


There has been research into regional variations. They use techniques that were used to prove archeological migration patterns "out of Africa" and all that. The report I saw was in the Telegrope, and it showed a correlation for Europe & Australia. China was different enough to throw a spanner in the homespun theories of transmission routes. I can't see a Tory bias making that up! The Telegrope is not that subtle.

AND

Yer viral overload results in an over-active immune response where the knowledgeable (on more considered TV) use words like cytokine storm. However you look at it, the body itself attacks you. Hence the temperature.


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Subject: Flu ain't the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 02:31 PM

I wouldn't blame anyone for being impatient. Instant gratification is ingrained in our culture, machines and behavior.
Looking into an ebola drug is thinking outside the box.
Doing the double blind experiments takes a very long time followed by more time. What if there is a connection, what if there isn't?

The mysteries abound and confound.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 12:50 PM

No, they are wise words from a medical consultant in the family, no more, no less. I don't do studies, I only wear a minimal size anorak !!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 11:22 AM

Bonzo again:

"The reason that some otherwise healthy people succumb to the virus, is due to viral load - nothing to do with Johnson not being present at COBRA meetings or what this government has or has not done. If you expose anyone to a high-enough level of viral organisms, or expose them frequently to these organisms, then the viral population in effect overwhelms the immune response. This is what we see in healthcare workers."

Again, can you point to a study to support this? A paper in Lancet maybe?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 11:20 AM

Bonzo:

"The virus is basically the same the world-over."


Is that right? It may be, but I have seen no study of regional variation in the virus. The Wikipedia page on SARS-COV-2 talks about the difference between it and pangolin viruses, but nothing on regional variation or lack of.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 11:14 AM

Donuel, that is a study without a control group, of 53 patients. The number at the end who died was consistent within statistical errors with the Chinese studies without the drug. The article mentions that someone else plans to carry out a controlled study of 600 patients. That might give useful information, but not yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 10:12 AM

Hmm. Once the virus has incubated and you've become symptomatic, or even before that point, the initial virus load would no longer be particularly relevant. And the plural of virus is viruses.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 09:14 AM

Um, of course higher viral load means more virus-shedding. One sneeze from a low-load has fewer viri than one sneeze from high-load.

Bavaria has canceled Oktoberfest.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 09:13 AM

You may well be right about viral load. But I don't know why you attached Boris's non-attendance at those meetings (confirmed by Gove) to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 08:56 AM

The virus is basically the same the world-over.

In fact one of the positive things about it, in terms of working on a possible vaccine, is that it shows very few & minor mutations wherever it's been tested (unlike common 'flu strains). This is thought to be because of its virulence, if it wasn't more virulent then we would probably see more mutation.

The reason that some otherwise healthy people succumb to the virus, is due to viral load - nothing to do with Johnson not being present at COBRA meetings or what this government has or has not done. If you expose anyone to a high-enough level of viral organisms, or expose them frequently to these organisms, then the viral population in effect overwhelms the immune response. This is what we see in healthcare workers.

If you put someone in an environment where lots of people (or things) around them are infected, or they are coming into close contact with someone (or something) with the virus frequently, then their viral load increases - nothing to do with Johnson not being present at COBRA meetings or what this government has or has not done. That's why distancing & hygiene are so important.

Viral load is person-specific. It doesn't spread. Someone with a higher-viral load doesn't shed the virus at a greater rate again nothing to do with Johnson not being present at COBRA meetings or what this government has or has not done.

The reason why isolating yourself is important if you're infected, is as much to keep yourself safe, as to avoid passing it on to others.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 20 - 07:31 AM

Posting actual news about the pandemic is practically thread drift at this point but there is actual news as you are awash in all virus news shows 24/7. The word to the wise today is remdesivir


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