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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 06:28 AM

Just has Pfizer booster from a junior nurse at our surgery - would have preferred a senior nurse or doctor.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:27 PM

I got my booster in early September, just walked in and there was no line. But there is an embarrassment of riches here when it comes to vaccine availability. Now if we could just convince more people to take advantage of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 06:08 PM

picking the vaccine to promote best results


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 06:01 PM

Mrs G and I get our flu jabs and covid boosters next Wednesday. Hope the cocktail is OK!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 05:09 PM

The Launceston Tesco does flu jabs, I've just discovered. That's 20 miles. The next nearest is Barnstaple, an hour's drive. These city-slickers don't know they're born...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 04:38 PM

Since June up to today 49 of the 50 deaths from Covid 19 in Washington DC were black. 60% of those deaths were in the black neighborhoods of ward 7 and 8.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 04:31 PM

Incidentally, Boots told the missus today that the earliest date for her would four weeks from now. I'll bet that if she offered to go private for £14.99 they'd do her tomorrow. B*ast*ards...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 04:29 PM

I'll have a pot at that tomorrow, pfr. The only thing is that where we live in pastyshire the nearest Tesco is 20 miles away...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 01:27 PM

After the holidays I'll be looking at my 4th jab. Self Immune disorders may not make as many antibodies per shot as others might but its still a crap shoot when it comes to beating the odds.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 01:14 PM

Just a suggestion, phone your nearest tesco pharmacy, and ask if they have drop in sessions. Or if you need book online.

If they have an appropriate qualified pharmacist on duty,
my wife got jabbed same day.
I waited until after the weekend.

This on presumption all tescos provide this service...?

Sod waiting for useless gp surgeries...!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 01:03 PM

Yep. Our flu jabs, booked long in advance, have been cancelled - twice. I'm booked in now for Nov 6 but Mrs Steve, who goes to a different medical centre, can't even rebook yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 11:43 AM

Roll out of the flu jab is a shambles..

Last year our GP contacted us to say we were entitled to a free jab,
right late near the end of the flu season.
We'd already paid for them in Tesco Pharmacy well before xmas.

This year we got texts from GP that we will be notified when available.
That was some months ago.

So last week we just walked into tesco for on the spot drop in free flu jabs.

Now waiting approx 3 weeks for protection to become effective.
Which aint easy with mrs punkfolkrocker working in an infant school...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 11:28 AM

Good for you Bonzo! Hope it goes well.
Wish our surgery would call us in for our boosters, but our second jab was in July - maybe it's a bit early for the booster.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:54 AM

I was told my mum got the booster and flu jab in her care home recently...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:45 AM

We are booked for boosters in the morning!!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:35 AM

An interview with a pediatric office nurse today on NPR talked about the contact they expect to have with a group of parents of young children who consider themselves healthy and young enough to not need the shot, many of them healthy enough that they don't have regular physicians of their own to see annually. She thinks the interface of pediatrician's office where they will take their children for the shot is the place the staff can also convince the parents (with logic and science) to get the vaccines themselves. Chances are the pediatrician's offices can't give the parents the shots (though that would save a step if they could.)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:33 AM

..and I do have an innate 'fear' of needles,
so far as I could never become a junkie...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:27 AM

"We are talking about sticking needles into people, lest we forget"

But it's just a tiny prick.
So small and inconsequential most folks probably wouldn't even feel it going in, or being pulled back out.

It's not like you'd be having a giant dildo rammed up your arse without lubrication.
which is more like the scale of discomfort all this pathetic hysterical anti-needle whining conjurs up...

F@cking snowflakes...!!! [yes, us lefties can use that insulting word as well...]

.. and anyway, there are effective alternative injections in development and practice,
which don't use needles.

Ok, I'm a a bit squeamish about having blood samples taken.
But am never at all bothered by injections..

I'm a big brave boy...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:01 AM

While nearly all things are possible, a novelist would have to consider that in the unvaccinated ignorant population there is a possibility that they are more prone to evolutionary DNA responses to pandemic by factors previously mentioned. Yes instead of a curse there could be a blessing in refusing vaccine. No this is not ammunition for conspiracy theorists but is just a very remote possibility that an open mind could consider. Of course the cost is millions of needless deaths in the short run. Bottom line, it was just an interesting thought I hold in personal distain.

I'll get me 'over thinking it' hat.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 09:21 AM

A passing thought...
We as homo sapiens differ by a tenth to a hundredth of one degree and compared to Chimps differ by 1 full percent.
This not a scientific observation but I have a question that a diversty of 24% of us refusing vaccination has an effect on the species at large. Pandemics have changed us before in terms of those more suited for survival. 24% of us are not dying off but perhaps in a smaller way our DNA will have changes that would not appear without pandemic. Exogenetic factors could in be in play as well as ancient genes turning on or off. We are not seeing a subspecies going extinct but we may be changed in ways as a species we may not know.

26 million kids 5-11 in the US are to be vaccinated. A quarter of them will not get the shot as a result of parental opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 07:30 AM

Republicans REJOICE ! Future cures and profits lift hearts.
A Florida man discovers that smoking crack cocaine cures Covid 19. He said "Its way better than Ivermectin". Miami Circuit Court Judge Yahwright did not order the man's Doctor to prescribe huge doses of Cocaine, unlike the Jacksonville judge who ordered Physicians to prescribe Ivermectin. I guess a JD outranks an MD. :^/
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/07/1034947315/ivermectin-ohio-hospital-order-judge


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 07:11 AM

The Washington State U. football coach along with 4 of his assistants was fired the other day for refusing to be vaccinated. He had a couple of months to do his research and, after dithering a bit, went for a religious exemption that was denied.

from the BBC

Pat Chun, the AD said "Our priority has been and will continue to be the health and well being of the young men in our team." It was obviously not the priority of their former coach. Let's hope this resonates with other non-vaxxers.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 07:03 AM

With my face it may not be a bad thing...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 07:00 AM

I have absolutely no problem with people being *encouraged* to do anything, including wearing a mask. As I said, this thing is with us for the rest of our lives, and hands up all those who want to be hiding half their faces for the rest of their lives...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:55 AM

Husband has just done his lateral flow test (every Sunday and Wednesday) and thank God it's negative again. He has to do nine hours of heavy cleaning work during lesson-times and evenings at the high school, where all the pupils & teachers wear a mask. He's given a mask and a visor plus disposable rubber gloves to perform his work. Being BAME he is more vulnerable to Covid.
When he gets home, he showers and cleans himself, plus changes all his clothes.
I can't imagine how I'd feel if the poor chap had refused any vaccinations. But (thank God again!) he has had two AZ ones and awaits the booster shortly, as do I. Also, he's very determined to wear a disposable mask (as am I) when we go to the supermarket.
Now imagine if he was a refusenik anti-vaxxer, contracted the virus and generously passed it to me. I have a heart condition, am elderly and he could be the cause of my demise.
We both take this very seriously, and feel that everyone should be encouraged to accept the vaccine. And wear a mask. Or risk death after infecting other people.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:49 AM

I quite enjoy the background stuff but then again, I'm a lightweight :-D

Maybe you can find the nitty-gritty by following a Google trail from her Wiki entry?

No good me looking. I'd fall off my chair after the first page!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:44 AM

It's a good yarn, Dave, but it doesn't exactly tell us how our behaviour should be informed by the findings. We get a lot about stuff like her daughter at the gym, her floods of tears, dramatic wakenings, etc., instead. I was kind of waiting for the big denouement, i.e., WEAR A BLOODY MASK! ....but it never came...

Popular science often seems to talk down to people, thinking that they'll only pay attention if mucho colour is added. It's a shame, because it often means that the baby is thrown down the plug'ole with the bathwater...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:13 AM

Absolutely fascinating article on how the WHO and some scientists got how the virus spread wrong.

The 60-Year-Old Scientific Screwup That Helped Covid Kill

We know that scientists do get it wrong sometimes and the article shows that once it is wrong, it can be difficult to put right.

What must have happened, she thought, was that after Wells died, scientists inside the CDC conflated his observations. They plucked the size of the particle that transmits tuberculosis out of context, making 5 microns stand in for a general definition of airborne spread. Wells’ 100-micron threshold got left behind. “You can see that the idea of what is respirable, what stays airborne, and what is infectious are all being flattened into this 5-micron phenomenon,” Randall says. Over time, through blind repetition, the error sank deeper into the medical canon.

Once people admit they were wrong through things can be fixed.

ON FRIDAY, APRIL 30, the WHO quietly updated a page on its website. In a section on how the coronavirus gets transmitted, the text now states that the virus can spread via aerosols as well as larger droplets.

I am not qualified to assess the impact of this but I still find the study very interesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 06:10 AM

Its simple.
I have an old small pox scar so most of you don't have to have one.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 21 - 04:55 AM

We are in the same pickle here in Blighty as we were a year ago. Case numbers are going through the roof and hospitals are coming under pressure. It seems that as yet unvaccinated schoolchildren are the main drivers of this spike. The death rate is rising but, because of the vaccines, is only a small fraction of what it was last autumn. Like last year, voices abound, including many from in the NHS, which are trying to get the government to act immediately. Like last year, that isn't happening.

Well Johnson told us in July that there was no going back to the restrictions we endured last winter and spring. The big difference from last year is that we have most of the country vaccinated. I think we should push hard to get children vaccinated (via information and persuasion). I don't think we should reimpose *mandatory* bubbles, social distancing and masks. I think we should be organising a massive public campaign which tells people to get vaccinated and how to be careful in public places, and give us the full information about how the virus spreads, what the risks are, how we can protect the vulnerable and what we should do if we feel unwell. The lateral flow test kits are free, easy to get hold of and have been shown to be reliable. I've yet to see a public service ad on TV showing people how to use the kits. All that sort of thing. Ordering people to wear masks, to stay away from their loved ones' homes and cancelling Christmas simply won't wash again with the public. Compliance with the rules erodes away every time restrictions are imposed. They are no longer the way to get people onboard. Just for once I agree with the governments reluctance, but I have yet to see that huge public campaign that I believe would be by far the best way forward. We have to live with this virus for the rest of our lives and we do have to live those lives.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 07:09 PM

Yes, I know what you were saying, but you do at least know that the contaminated clothing and bedding came from a smallpox victim, so not hidden in the same sense as COVID-19 being hidden by the fact that it can transmit under cover from asymptomatic people, which could be around one infected person in three. As for needing to be more careful with covid-19, well we can hardly say for ANY potentially fatal infection that we should be more careful or less careful (or more careless) with one than with the other. Ethics, and all that. It's worth contemplating that the mortality rate (a term fraught with difficulty, though probably easier for smallpox as it is such an obvious and prominent infection when someone has it) for smallpox was around 30%, whereas for Covid-19 the mortality rate is in single numbers or less (fraught because we can't simply divide the number of confirmed cases by number of deaths, as many cases go unreported - mild symptoms or symptoms not recognised - or are asymptomatic). That is not in any way an argument for being either more careful or less careful. We must be as careful as it is humanly and practically possible to be. What we are arguing about here is the degree to which each step we take is either not enough, too much, or not required. As there's some evidence that transmission from hands or surfaces is possible (live virus has been harvested from those surfaces), sanitation is a no-brainer. Making every effort to keep your distance and to avoid crowded confined spaces, as we know that airborne is the main means of transmission, no-brainer. Taking the vaccine, far and away the best thing that everyone can do. Walking around with a damp rag on your face, that is infected if you're infected and doing very little if you're not, well I'm not sure about that. We'll never get rid of this virus so we have to decide how we are going to live with it for the rest of our lives. For the rest of our lives, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Charmion
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 06:22 PM

Steve, my point is that smallpox doesn’t have to be seen to be a threat.

Indeed, COVID is more contagious. That should make us more cautious, not less.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 05:47 PM

The word "foolhardy" was intended after "right or wrong."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 05:46 PM

Well I have no idea what you mean by public activities. I can only guess at the intended scope. Perhaps, instead of calling people with carefully measured and carefully considered opinions, right or wrong, you could stop the kind of misinformation which is constantly peddled here. There is a large error in the post of 04.25pm for example, that can be checked in ten seconds, from a person I never see you criticising. I submit to you that a closely-argued opinion, capable of being civilly disagreed with, is far less damaging than blatant misinformation.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 04:38 PM

Foolhardy devil's advocate posts abound here lately, supporting the rights of the ignorant to continue being able to infect others.

Vaccines should be compulsory for most public activities, with the occasional MEDICAL excuse. Never a religious excuse.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 04:25 PM

I mentioned tons of small pox virus had been stockpiled. that is litterally TONS! When you consider how 'light' virus are and that small pox is 50 to 80% fatal it is alot of small pox.

We hear how airplane crashes are miniscule compared to the number of flights ,it doesn't feel that way when I watch Air Disasters tv shows with hundreds of crash investigations. Like Stilly says its 3 giant air buses crashing everyday with no survivors when it comes to Covid in this country alone.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 04:14 PM

Fairy Nuff. I didn't spot the compulsory bit. I do disagree about it being compulsory for all. However, to do certain things there have always been rules. To ride a motorbike, you must wear a helmet. To care for vulnerable people, you must have the vaccine. Overly simple maybe but provides clarity at least.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 03:51 PM

Eliza appeared to be advocating compulsory universal vaccination, Dave. You may be talking about coercion with regard to employment, not compulsion, but when your livelihood is at stake the line between them is as fine as can be. I also see a possible legal and moral argument that employers should not be able to alter contracts on this particular issue in a one-sided way. We are talking about sticking needles into people, lest we forget... We can't stop employers declining to take on vaccination refuseniks, but I'm very troubled about the potential ability to sack them.

Yes, Charmion, I know that, but it shouldn't divert from my overall point that the campaigns against smallpox and COVID-19 are not comparable, because smallpox is far less catching and COVID-19 can transmit under cover, which smallpox can't. Different strategies are needed, and smallpox was abolished without compulsion and without universal vaccination. The one doesn't inform the other very well.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 02:51 PM

I may sound angry at times but through it all is the foundation of the preciousness of humanity. I know some people do not have any empathy like some are bald and some aren't. Most of us have to care for the empathy free folks despite their unrequited empathy. We can 'knit them a hat' and wish for the best.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 01:44 PM

I don't think anyone is advocating holding people down and forcing them, Steve. Bit of a straw man then. And surely, your point about not having to travel apples equally to a chosen profession. People in health care can choose another occupation if they don't want to be vaccinated. Yes, yes, I know there is a shortage and that is likely to make matters worse. I am just pointing out that they are not being forced to have the vaccine, just like international travellers can choose not to.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 01:30 PM

Among the irrational macho anti mandate and vaccine personalities are the Police. It is the leading cause of death for police officers in the last 2 years. In Chicago many cops are willing to go on unpaid leave for their delusion.
They were willing to lie and claim a religious or libertaian objection exception. Could it be that police have a relationship with death that is quite different from you or me? Probably.
Death Wish 19 might be a psyche disease like a cancer that intertwines between duty, honor, devotion and strength. But not likely in my way of wondering.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Charmion
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 12:54 PM

Canadian public schools also require pupils to be vaccinated, and tested for contact with tuberculosis, too. The death toll from polio in particular is still fresh enough in memory to keep that regulation in place, reinforced by the damage done by occasional outbreaks of red measles. People who object to that mandate have to find private schools where the administration shares their opinions -- an expensive proposition -- or home-school their children.

Likewise, if you want to work in a Canadian restaurant, TB testing is mandatory. If you don't like it, tough.

The threat of smallpox is not limited to close contact with the sick in the acute stage of infection; the virus survives in dried exudate on their clothes and bedding. (In quarantine hospitals, all such contaminated materials were burned.) Surely you've heard of the accusations of "germ warfare" levelled against the early British military government in Canada, based on the distribution of contaminated blankets to the neighbouring First Nations. That was in the 1760s, and I don't think that virus has changed its habits.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 12:27 PM

You made that decision for your children who were too young to decide for themselves. I made that decision for mine, too. I'm amazed that your schools can insist on a child's vaccination. Quite rightly ,the advocacy by schools here is strong, but enforcement is considered to be a step too far. As for travel, there are countries I can't go to unless I'm vaccinated against this, that or the other. Two things: first, you don't have to travel. If you don't, you don't have to get the vaccine. You still have that choice. Telling someone they'll lose their livelihood is somewhat less of a choice, to say the least. Second, it could be the country you're going to that does the insisting.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 12:18 PM

Incidentally, smallpox was eradicated by consent, and by no means everyone was vaccinated against it. I wasn't, and I don't know anyone at all who was (I'm 70, so was definitely of the time when smallpox was widespread). I should also like to point out several crucial differences between smallpox and the current coronavirus. Smallpox is not transmitted from person to person until the blisters appear. Every time, you can see the risk because you can see the blisters. With COVID-19, transmission is possible from people with no symptoms, which could be a third of all infected people. Smallpox is rarely transmitted through the air, unlike COVID-19, with which the air is its main means of transmission. Prolonged close contact in enclosed spaces is usually required for the transmission of smallpox, whereas such close contact and lengthy time periods are not required for COVID-19 to pass from person to person.

In a nutshell, smallpox was never as catching as COVID-19 is. That makes it a far easier (though still not too easy) disease to eradicate. It isn't especially instructive to compare the campaigns against these two diseases.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 12:08 PM

Democracies don't force people to have needles stuck in them.

Bull. My kids had to be vaxxed to go to public achool. I have to get vaxxed to travel. Loads of vaxxes are compulsory.

And should be.

If people won't do it voluntarily yes democracies can make them.

And should.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 11:52 AM

So Eliza, you're in favour of pinning every refuser down so that they can be forcefully injected. I'm afraid I'm not with you.

I've responded to your rather silly and over-the-top similar post on the other thread, Donuel. Let's just say here that thank goodness I don't know any anti-maskers. I know a couple of anti-vaxxers round here who are weird in at least several other ways as well. They are impenetrable. Vaccine refuseniks are often just vaccine-unsure, vaccine-hesitant or vaccine-scared, or the victims of rumours and scare-stories. Those are the people we need to work on via education, reassurance and persuasion. Sticking needles into them while they kick and scream is simply not permissible. The state does not own people and we must preserve democracy. Those of you who support Facebook via your membership should consider that huge numbers of the refuseniks you are excoriating are refuseniks because of the sheer irresponsibility of the organisation which couldn't exist without you. Perhaps you could reflect on that before offering condemnatory opinions about people who just might be harbouring reasonable points of view that don't happen to concur with yours.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 11:34 AM

"Anti mandate, mask & vax folks do not have a valid point in this time of a global health emergency.
You see anti mask folks rant against the obvious truth but they never see their own ravings as insane or contradictory. Sometimes the crazy don't know they are."

This is intemperate. Anti-mandate (a respectable viewpoint, right or wrong) and anti-vax folks (an utter disgrace) are completely different species. I don't know any anti-mask people personally. I know plenty of people who are against the compulsory wearing of masks but who respect the choice of others to wear masks. That's the camp I'm in. You are calling us insane, contradictory and crazy. You claim to know the obvious "truth." Well you don't, and neither do I. You can be a good lad and promote the precautionary principle and be respected for that, or you can insult people who happen not to agree with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats your shortage- is it hype? Supply chain
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 09:21 AM

Anti mandate, mask & vax folks do not have a valid point in this time of a global health emergency.
You see anti mask folks rant against the obvious truth but they never see their own ravings as insane or contradictory. Sometimes the crazy don't know they are.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 09:13 AM

Anti mask & vax folks do not have a valid point in this time of a global health emergency. Its like suicide and euthanasia are being practiced legally because unstable people are killing themselves and others with Covid. Killing without the permission of the uninfected should be punished as a special form of manslaughter. I approve of euthanasia only with the permission of the hopeless and suffering.

You hear anti mask folks rant against the obvious but they never see their own ravings as insane and/or contradictory.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 08:41 AM

First came inoculation developed in England for small pox then several lifetimes later Jenner made a small pox vaccine from a variant.
During the cold war the Soviet Union stockpiled TONS of small pox virus as a one two punch for nuclear annihilation strategy.
Eliza you have your finger on the pulse of certain men's insanity.
Lets hope you don't lose your touch.


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