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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Sep 20 - 12:08 AM

“Wearing of eyeglasses is common among Chinese individuals of all ages,” wrote the study authors. “However, since the outbreak of Covid-19 in Wuhan in December 2019, we observed that few patients with eyeglasses were admitted in the hospital ward.”

The observation “could be preliminary evidence that daily wearers of eyeglasses are less susceptible to Covid-19,” the authors speculated.


Does Wearing Glasses Protect You From Coronavirus?

After researchers noticed fewer nearsighted patients in a hospital ward in China, they speculated that wearing glasses might offer some protection against Covid-19.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 09:11 PM

Whaduknow, Fauci is human. He just called Chris Hayes to say he mispoke and he meant the 4th quarter of NEXT year.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 08:30 PM

Dr. Fauci, a basketball enthusiast, said he will play pick up basketball with Chris Hayes when the pandemic allows - as soon as the 4th quarter of this year.^/
He also said he will raise flags if corners are cut on vaccine.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 05:16 PM

Can't see that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 12:21 PM

That paper has a paywall that pops up pretty quickly. Here are snippets of it.

The Food and Drug Administration recently issued emergency use authorization for the BinaxNOW COVID-19 Ag Card rapid test, produced by Abbott, a medical device and health care company.

The company plans to begin shipping tens of millions of rapid tests this month, increasing to 50 million per month by October. That means the U.S. could have the capacity to test more than 1.5 million Americans a day in October.

In the past week, there have been between 588,965 and 911,329 daily tests performed in the U.S., according to Johns Hopkins University. In Texas, the number of daily tests administered over the past week has ranged from about 58,000 to 98,000, according to Johns Hopkins. . . .


Test accuracy
Molecular tests like the PCR, or polymerase chain reaction, test has been the most common test throughout the pandemic. It is taken as a nasal swab, or it can be taken as a throat swab or saliva sample. Those samples are taken to a lab for processing and can take days to produce results.

Antigen rapid tests work differently by looking for a virus’s proteins. Antigen tests deliver results in a few minutes and are administered with a swab from the nose or throat without the need for the sample to be taken to an offsite lab. Because the results come back so quickly, there has been some doubt regarding their accuracy.

Within the first week of symptom onset, Abbott’s new test has a 97.1% positive percent agreement, meaning it is accurate by that percentage when a patient is positive, and a 98.5% negative percent agreement, meaning it is accurate by that percentage when a patient is negative, according to Abbott.

“In order for them to be a practical option, they have to be inexpensive, involve an easy sampling method, be readable in under an hour ideally, and be at least 70 to 80% accurate,” Petrosino said.

Even if Abbott’s test or other rapid tests were less than 70% accurate, they would still be “tolerable,” according to Petrosino because a follow-up test could be administered to double check.

“Highly accurate tests are ideal, but we know that the tests with the greatest accuracy are molecular tests,” Petrosino said. Because molecular tests require a deeper nasal sampling and need to be processed in a lab, they’re more expensive and require more time, according to Petrosino.

“And [it] involves a sampling method that is uncomfortable,” Petrosino said.

More tests to come
Abbott’s rapid test isn’t the only one that has received emergency use authorization by the FDA. In August, Yale School of Public Health was granted authorization for its SalivaDirect COVID-19 diagnostic test. While most COVID-19 tests require a nasal swab, Yale’s test uses a spit sample — one of five saliva sample tests that have received approval by the FDA.

Such a sample can be collected in any sterile container compared with nasal COVID-19 tests, which require extraction kits that are sent to off-site laboratories.

“Providing this type of flexibility for processing saliva samples to test for COVID-19 infection is groundbreaking in terms of efficiency and avoiding shortages of crucial test components like reagents,” Dr. Stephen M. Hahn, FDA commissioner, said in a statement.

Sometimes if you open an article from Twitter it lets you see content.

Dallas Morning News article


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 06:28 AM

And your paper won't let "readers in the EU" see the article you linked to. Haven't they heard that we've left? Let's hope that their journalism is a bit more accurate...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 11:45 AM

Unfortunately, the more "rapid" the test, the more likely it is to throw up a false result. That includes false negatives. A high proportion of those would arguably be more damaging than not testing at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 10:45 AM

Texas is supposedly going to have access to a "$5 five minute COVID-19 test" that will be supplied by the federal government.

$5, 15-minute rapid COVID-19 tests are coming to Texas

A spokesman for the Texas Department of State Health Services said the tests are being allocated by the federal government and that the state was discussing how to deploy them.

"Imagine arriving at your office. You walk through the front door, stop at the front desk, and then take a COVID-19 test. Within minutes you are cleared to begin your work day.

Cheap, rapid coronavirus testing could change how businesses, schools and other places move forward during the pandemic, and Texas is hoping to be at the forefront."

I imagine the only reason Texas is getting them now is because it generally votes Republican and has a GOP governor who was "nice to Trump."

(And on an unrelated note, I hear ABC broadcast a Town Hall meeting it ran in Philadelphia that Trump attended last night and the Independent and Undecided voters really held his toes to the fire regarding his COVID-19 response, and other topics.)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 08:27 AM

So, um, timidly going back to the thread itself..

Indonesia condemns mask nonwearers to digging graves for covid dead:

Blicky

I kinda like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 09:12 PM

The last time I read any of your posts about COVID-19 and masks, you were still suggesting they weren't necessary in your area and you weren't wearing them. If that's what I remember, that is quite possibly what others also remember. There is a gap in the information supplied. Good for you for wearing masks now.

Following people around from thread to thread and fighting about stuff or insulting others on each of those threads is what gets 1. threads closed and 2. people kicked out of Mudcat. So stop doing it. I've had messages from others about this and decided this is the place and the time to make the case AGAIN that anyone who does this (and there are others, you aren't alone) is going to find a "BONK" message after a while if they don't cut it out. We're trying to improve the general demeanor around here, and it has meant ushering the fighting parties off of the property. There have been lots of second and third chances offered.

This is it. Stay with the thread topic from here on out, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 08:58 PM

Maggie, he called me a dangerous mask-denier.

I have complied with every mask requirement for many weeks. I have a large supply of masks at the ready in my car wherever I go. I pester all my family to ensure that they always have masks at the ready. I would never break the mask rules. Or encourage anyone else to do so. I do question the efficacy of wearing masks, true, but I do not encourage mask rebellion in the slightest. Yes, I have confronted Donuel about his serial misinformation on a number of occasions in recent times, in threads in which I take an interest. I have always done that in a measured way, I can fully justify every criticism of him that I make (try asking me), and I have no interest in following him around on topics in which I have no interest. Please do not pull me up for "stalking" when I have just defended myself against blatant misrepresentation.

You criticised me very publicly. You are not always right. I have responded equally publicly. You could have done this via PM, and I would have responded civilly in the same vein, but you chose not to. I fully accept that I may have gone for Donuel's jugular a few times too often (though you do appear not to have noticed his trolling needling). If you decide to delete this, as is your right, I would ask you to also delete your post accusing me of stalking this vexatious man. If you don't, be assured that this post will remain in my archive.

Cheers

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 02:35 PM

However, test availability may be limited, in which case would-be testees need to be prioritized.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 12:43 PM

I just talked a friend through the process for getting the COVID-19 test through the county. He wasn't sure if the recorded message they sent was phishing of some sort, but it's just a weird way the county sends out messages. Anyway, it helps if everyone is tested, even those who think they couldn't possibly have it. One less question mark for county officials for the time being.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 09:24 AM

Ebbie its OK by me if you're the last one standing.
You are a Fiesty & smart favorite.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 09:15 AM

Aw, Ebbie, how awful.

I've had 3 cousins [loosely defined] get it, only one of whom, in their 20s, got really sick. My uncle who died of old age had it when he died, but did not die *of* it. My kid's girlfriend's positive test was deemed a false positive after a follow-up antibody test.

But the guy I work with on activism lost his brother, and there's you guys, so I know how lucky I am. I continue to be careful.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 01:52 AM

Thanks for the good thoughts, everybody. It is a difficult for us all, isn't it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 08:40 PM

I'm sorry about your siblings, Ebbie. This is such a difficult time for so many reasons.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 08:34 PM

Steve. Stop it. You're stalking Donuel. If you don't like what he posts then don't open the threads where he is participating.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 08:08 PM

The 07.42 AM post is a troll post, mods, put out here by a liar.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 12:37 PM

Especially calcium.
People who drink bleach briefly complain of heart burn and sore throat. ;^/

Taiwan is the currently world leader in preventing covid infection due to contact tracing and a VP who is also an epidemeologist.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 12:22 PM

I read recently (forget where) that most vitamin/mineral supplements just go straight through you and aren't absorbed particularly well by the body. But well-chosen food is a better way to boost levels to the optimum.
Perhaps we should just all drink copious amounts of bleach, as advised by the Big Toddler.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 07:42 AM

I am more likely to believe npr than our local dangerous mudcat mask denier.
Personally I don't feel I react well to vitamin D supplements. it feels achey or is a coincidence


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 03:43 AM

Thank you Sandra, it helps so much to have this support on Mudcat.
And I'm so sorry Ebbie for your losses. A hug from me too.
I think you're right Steve, because my sister was extremely vigilant about her food. She must have been the most correctly-fed person in Scotland, because she always made sure her diet was beautifully balanced and complete regarding all the vitamins, minerals and essential things. (Organic food from farmers' markets etc) She was so active and strong it was phenomenal. Whizzing up mountainsides, playing table tennis for a team, going for ten-mile hikes. etc. So I imagine that the vitamin D levels in her body were as they should be.
I suppose however up in Scotland the sunshine is more scarce, whereas I'm as brown as a berry down here in Norfolk, sunning myself on The Bench. (But not in a bikini -wouldn't want to alarm the locals!)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 07:28 PM

thinking of you & your sister, Eliza. I hope she can get into hospital & get some treatment that helps her.

hugs to you, too Ebbie,


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 06:39 PM

Well, so far I have lost my last remaining sister and a cousin, in Oregon and Virginia respectively to the virus.

That leaves just one brother and myself alive out of nine children, some of whom died 20 years or more ago. I told my brother that I don't want to be the last one living so he has to take good care of himself for awhile yet. He is a trumper, though, so I don't have too much hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 01:50 PM

Prior to and during infection it is wise to take vitamin D supplements. The reason why is because Vitamin D SLOWS DOWN a cytocline storm (a monster immune response that attacks the body indescriminatly)

It also speeds up safe healing. Perhaps you see the connection between dark skin people having less vit D production compared to light skinned people and as a result have a higher rate of morbidity and fatality. There are many other factors and influences but vit D is readily available and relatively safe.

Getting sufficient sunshine is even better than supplements.

I heard it on npr


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 09:46 AM

Thank you Stilly for your good wishes. I'll mention the steroid treatment to her, it may be that's the answer!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 08:12 PM

I've read about some steroid treatments being used now, a fairly recent development, of using low cost Rx steroids on people who had the worst cases. I wonder if it would apply to this manifestation as well. Best wishes for her next recovery from this.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 01:45 PM

Thank you so much Bonzo.
So ironic, as we thought she was getting along quite well. She said that her GP told her there are about 60,000 people in UK with this dangerous post-Covid lung problem, and so far not much has been discovered as to how to treat it.
Husband is so upset,as she has been very kind and generous to his family, and the last time we were up in Tayside visiting her (two years ago) she was extremely kind and treated us like royalty!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 11:04 AM

So sorry to hear about your poor sister, I do hope they can help her.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 03:32 PM

It is indeed Mrrzy. She seemed to be getting a little better a few weeks ago, but I think she was reluctant to trouble me with the gory details and make me worry. I just hope they can re-admit her to hospital and get her lungs cleared somehow.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 03:12 PM

Man, Senoufou, horrible.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 01:28 PM

Sorry, forgot to say, she caught Covid19 back in March, so about six months ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 12:56 PM

Have just heard from my poor sister and she is really struggling. Her lungs are absolutely messed up, she has tachycardia and her oxygen levels are dangerously low. Her GP has made several appointments at the local hospital for scans and assessments, and she might be admitted as an in-patient. There are now 'Covid clinics' being set up everywhere, as people are finding the after-effects to be serious and even life-threatening, despite surviving the actual virus.
Her lungs fill up alarmingly with fluid, and she mentioned 'bradykinin overload' (she's a doctor so I don't always understand these things) Apparently it's an enzyme which stimulates secretions via the blood vessels into the lungs and one can even drown!!
I do so wish people knew about these post-Covid symptoms - they'd soon obey the safety rules if they knew the actual facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 20 - 02:37 PM

Washpost: Trump told Bob Woodward on Feb 7 "You just breathe the air and thats how its passed..."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Sep 20 - 02:32 PM

Breaking News"   Bob Wooward released the tape of Trump admitting he knew exactly how deadly Novel Corona Viris is and purposfully down played the pandemic to Americans.

Donald has killed more than one person on 5th Avenue and gotten away with it. The anger builds at 190,000 deaths.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Sep 20 - 01:14 PM

Ah, I wondered at the name change, thanks!

This is such a litigious society I bet there will be lawsuits over this, that Maine wedding, etc...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Sep 20 - 12:29 PM

I moved the above post from a less appropriate thread because I couldn't find this New news one. I've added COVID-19 to the title so searching it easier.

Those fools on motorcycles must have engaged in magical thinking to believe they could get away with such reckless behavior. The governor was all for it, but she and other officials who invited the activity will never be held accountable.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Labor Day plans during COVID-19?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 11:55 PM

Sturgis motorcycle rally in South Dakota in August linked to more than 250,000 coronavirus cases, study finds

excerpts:

News comes a week after the first COVID-19 death linked to the 10-day event that drew more than 400,000 people was recorded

The event will cost an estimated $12.2 billion in health-care costs, they wrote.

“In counties with the largest relative inflow to the event, the per 1,000 case rate increased by 10.7 percent after 24 days following the onset of Sturgis Pre-Rally Events,” the researchers wrote. “Multiplying the percent case increases for the high, moderate-high and moderate inflow counties by each county’s respective pre-rally cumulative COVID-19 cases and aggregating, yields a total of 263,708 additional cases in these locations due to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 04:31 PM

opinion:
Here comes the mature pandemic. Even with the downsized administration numbers we are at 1,000 deaths a day and 6.2 million contagious infections in the USA. The total number of deaths could double by Jan. 1st. As Rap said the real number of deaths may never be known. Just as people are exhausted by keeping their guard up we will be going indoors, kids to schools, bars to open and gathering at the yule log, all while the number of infections sky rocket. Some call it the second wave. I call it the lingering Trump disaster. LTD

A virus is not political, racist or compassionate but it is nice it spares women and children in some regards.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Sep 20 - 08:07 AM

The long-term lung damage can get better!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/06/health/covid-19-long-term-effects-study-wellness/index.html

Blicky.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 03:50 PM

The curious case of a man getting Covid 19 twice is not conclusive. It could be by 2 different strains OR a mild first case did not trigger an immunity response. The confirmed second infection did not present symptoms. These cases are rare so it may not have any bearing on vaccine immunity response.
npr


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: JHW
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 07:34 AM

I've found 'mask-free bikers' a problem. On footpaths a biker may be suddenly there with no attempt at distancing and giving me no time to distance either. Sure a quick encounter is supposedly low risk but they shouldn't even be biking on many such paths.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Aug 20 - 01:15 PM

I am beginning to lose patience with people not "believing in" science as if it were something subject to faith. Murricans. Sign. Arrgh! Sigh.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Aug 20 - 01:20 PM

Also apparently the loss of smell/taste is brain damage to nerves, not trouble with the taste buds or olfactory receptors. Heard on NPR and seen elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Aug 20 - 02:21 PM

Interesting article on telepsychiatry here. For those of us who miss our shrinks...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Aug 20 - 02:04 PM

Aaand Russia claims to have a vaccine. We'll know in 5 years...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Aug 20 - 03:20 AM

good news - Australian toddler stranded in India helped home by newlyweds


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Aug 20 - 02:30 PM

Meanwhile, in South Dakota:

Thousands of bikers heading to South Dakota rally to be blocked at tribal land checkpoints

Clampdown comes as fears mount that mask-free bikers headed to large gathering could spread coronavirus to tribal groups


The tribal lands are sovereign, and they can keep the bikers out when their lack of protection and precautions as they travel endanger all in their path.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Aug 20 - 01:11 PM

There are fogging issues with glasses but I've stuck with the N-95's


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