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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

The Sandman 13 May 21 - 05:37 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 May 21 - 05:37 AM

all the more reaon scotland and the uk should be ventilating schools, or even starting to build new schools. building new schools also boosts the economy if you accept keynsian economics


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 May 21 - 12:42 AM

Two new outbreaks in Scotland, after the number of new cases had been reduced to near zero.

One at a secondary school in Elgin, the other at a primary school in Midlothian.

Given the much too rapid reduction in precautions in schools across the UK, I expect there will be more.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 21 - 08:52 PM

I've had horizontal grooves on my nails for decades.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 May 21 - 08:34 PM

Are ‘covid nails’ a sign you had the virus? Experts weigh in.

At this point in the pandemic, the coronavirus’s devastating effects on the human body have been well documented. But unusual symptoms that may be connected to the virus continue to crop up, including “covid toes,” “covid tongue” and hair loss.

Now, news reports and social media posts have documented visible changes in the nails of some covid-19 survivors, most commonly in the form of horizontal grooves. Dubbed “COVID nails” by a U.K.-based epidemiologist who tweeted about the markings earlier this month, the anecdotal reports have prompted assertions that it could be a way to tell whether you’ve had the virus.


The changes are a result of "Beau's lines" - “a temporary interruption in the nail growth.”

Twitter post by Tim Spector about "COVID nails" included has some oddball responses.

News reports and social media posts aren't science. Consider this a source of anecdotal coincidences that could lead to something but are more likely to mean nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 May 21 - 08:08 AM

Bad news from India:

Mucormycosis

Massive underreporting


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 May 21 - 09:24 AM

I wonder if Biden's infrastructure plan innvolves virus-proofing hospitals. That would be a great idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 21 - 11:36 AM

NYC is still storing 750 covid vidtims in deeo freeze refridgeration trailers while poorer families are trying ti resov the burials.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 21 - 09:22 PM

A new problem needs a solution regarding graduating doctors being left out in the cold because of residency requirments. There are not enough residencies to go around.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 May 21 - 05:51 PM

I wasn't just thinking of hospitals. Our local education authority has been replacing old schools (with windows that open, so every classroom was independently ventilated) with big glass boxes sold as "community hubs" and funded by PFI (the Blair/Brown scam). My wife went to Pilates classes in one. The windowless room they got had NO air inlets at all - it just used whatever air flowed through the cracks from neighbouring rooms or in the door when you opened it. If you used it now you'd be inhaling viruses that had drifted the length of the building through at least two other rooms.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 May 21 - 05:27 PM

if the nhs had not been deliberately run down and starved of money. it could have been done, mean while field hospitals standing empty.[more government incompetence]
it can be done if the government has the will instead they spend the moneyon other things .
jack when was the last time one fever hospital designed to cope with viruses was built.
we have a pandemic and the government of the uk is like nero fiddling while rome was burning ,
of course new hospitals can be built, but the conservative party has not and will not build them, they have spent billions listed below but not built one virus designed hospital designed specifically for virus pandemics HERE
The government failed to provide transparency when hastily awarding billions of pounds worth of contracts during the covid-19 pandemic, the UK’s public spending watchdog has concluded.

The National Audit Office (NAO) said that the government had failed to provide adequate documentation showing how some key decisions were reached, including why particular suppliers were chosen or how potential conflicts of interest were handled.

Some contracts were awarded after work had already begun, many were not published in the timeframe they should have been, and some conflicts of interest were not disclosed, a report1 by the auditors found.

The investigation into government procurement during the pandemic found that the government awarded over 8600 contracts worth £18bn (€20bn; $24bn) by 31 July, with most of these (£16.2bn worth) awarded by the Department of Health and Social Care and its national bodies.

Contracts totalling £10.5bn have been awarded without a competitive tender process, the NAO found.

Gareth Davies, the head of the NAO, said, “While we recognise that these were exceptional circumstances, it remains essential that decisions are properly documented and made transparent if government is to maintain public trust that taxpayers’ money is being spent appropriately and fairly. The evidence set out in our report shows that these standards of transparency and documentation were not consistently met in the first phase of the pandemic.”

Personal protective equipment (PPE) accounted for 80% of the number of contracts awarded (over 6900 contracts) and 68% of the total value (£12.3bn). The Department of Health and Social Care awarded contracts to 71 suppliers, worth £1.5bn in total, before its process to assess and process offers of support of PPE was standardised, the NAO found. Examples of contracts awarded retrospectively after work had already been carried out included £3.2m to Deloitte to support procurement of PPE on 21 July 2020.

The government also established a “high priority lane” to assess potential PPE sources referred by officials and politicians that were deemed more credible. About one in 10 suppliers processed through the high priority lane (47 out of 493) obtained contracts, compared with less than one in 100 suppliers that came through the ordinary lane (104 of 14?892). The NAO also found that sources of referrals to the high priority lane were not always documented, with one supplier, PestFix, added in error without a referral.

A clear trail of documents to support key procurement decisions was sometimes missing, the auditors said.

The NAO also reported that many of the contracts awarded have not been published in a timely manner. By 10 November 2020, details were still missing for 55% of the 1644 contracts worth more than £25?000 awarded up to the end of July 2020, and only 25% were published within the 90 day target.

If a similar situation arises again, the government should identify and manage potential conflicts of interest and bias earlier in the procurement process and ensure that basic information on contracts are published within 90 days of award, the auditors concluded.

Meg Hillier, chair of the Commons Committee of Public Accounts, said, “Even in an emergency, public procurements need to get the basics right. Clearly, too many didn’t.

“The mistakes revealed by this report are likely to be only the tip of the iceberg.”

This article is made freely available for use in accordance with BMJ's website terms and conditions for the duration of the covid-19 pandemic or until otherwise determined by BMJ. You may use, download and print the article for any lawful, non-commercial purpose (including text and data mining) provided that all copyright notices and trade marks are retained.
https://bmj.com/coronavirus/usage


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 May 21 - 05:01 PM

Jaysus, Jack, and here was me thinking that you were only 49...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 May 21 - 04:38 PM

Governments have had a year to redesign buildings , redesigm schools and hospitals

I once had a summer job standing up on a mobile scaffold with a glue brush and a roll of tape sealing leaks in the airconditioning ducts of a large glass cube modern hospital (50 years ago, but the design is not very different now). If one minor quality control glitch could give me a job for two months imagine what completely replacing the airflow systems of every glass cube building on earth would take.

It can't be done. But mask wearing is doable


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 May 21 - 04:05 PM

And, Dick, it appears from their posts that Maggie, Jeri and Mrrzy have swallowed the propaganda from governments making it sound like we're all responsible for this pandemic because we don't wear masks (or because we don't like masks, or because we don't trust masks) hook, line and sinker. Nothing to do with governments' gross incompetence in their mishandling of things, of course, as I've listed several times. "There are numerous studies out there" is more weasel words. There have been no studies, and can't be any studies, that isolate mask-wearing from a number of confounding factors, as I said earlier. That is not unwishful thinking. That is science. Anecdotal "evidence" doesn't get over the high bar required by science. Anyway, my mask is always with me and I comply with all rules. That's what we should be doing, no messing. But we can still discuss masks, can't we.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 May 21 - 02:51 PM

yes, very funny. you understand my point to make hospitals effective at preventing the spreading of viruses.
governments are passing the buck to ordinary people instead of doing their supposed job to protect the people is the job that they are supposed get paid for
if you are more concerned about typos, that reflects on your persona


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 05 May 21 - 02:21 PM

"governing responsibly planning to redesign some hospitals and schools to be effctive at spreading viruseses"

Leaving aside the delightful typos, wouldn't making hospitals and schools "effective at spreading viruses" be irresponsible?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 May 21 - 02:10 PM

Jeri it sounds like you are saying everyone who disagrees with you is crazy. Governments have had a year to redesign buildings , redesigm schools and hospitals, do we not pay politicians to govern and have long term plans , instead of which in the uk we have someone who is more concerned about redesigning a house in downing street , than governing responsibly planning to redesign some hospitals and schools to be effctive at spreading viruseses , how long do governments need?
of course its easy for governments to abdicate responsibilty and say everyone will have to wear masks and do nothing in a year to ventilate public buildings, its just passing the buck to the public.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jeri
Date: 05 May 21 - 01:59 PM

There are numerous studies out there, but Steve (and anyone) is capable of searching for them. Living in the USA with its conspiracy theories and batshit crazy ideas, you can't dissuade people who believe that praying to little baby Jesus will prevent Covid because they're crazy. You can't convince people who rely on faith-based "medicine" that they're wrong, becausethey're crazy. You can't convince people who won't listen that "well documented" means there have been studies out the wazoo proving masks are effective that you're right, because they don't WANT to believe it. It's disappointing (I'm actually surprised), but there's a time to give up trying. Argument never changes anyone's mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 May 21 - 09:43 AM

Incidentally,

"It is well-documented that..."

Look up "weasel words" on wiki. Goes nicely with "it is widely recognised that..." "experts have shown that..." "everyone knows that..."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 May 21 - 09:35 AM

That's as maybe. How much they help, if at all, can't be teased out from all the confounding factors such as social distancing and lockdown measures such as restricting indoor visits, closing pubs and restaurants, etc., and now vaccination. It's impossible to do a controlled experiment to isolate masks from all the other factors in order to glean their efficacy, but we can at least adopt a sort of precautionary principle. When you say they help you are speaking in hope, never from science. Which doesn't necessarily mean that you're wrong. Just don't go thinking that a mask makes you so safe that you can be all blasé. The people who breach the distancing rules in the shops round here are all wearing masks. What should I make of that, d'ye think? None of this is really the point. The point is that, whatever we think, we should stick a mask on when it's legally required. That way, no-one need feel more threatened or vulnerable than they need to. Fine by me. I'm have mask, will travel at all times. Sorry if I sound like Mr Spock.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 May 21 - 09:10 AM

It is well-documented that masks help. How much they help is irrelevent. They help.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 21 - 08:18 PM

Well shops are entitled to refuse entry to non-mask wearers, to anyone at all actually, though it could be said that putting unfair burdens on shop staff, to require them to challenge customers, is a step too far. I agree that mask exemptions should be rare. It's hard to conjure up a sensible notion of some way of having instant identification of exempt people, a badge or sticker for example. However, I'm viscerally opposed to obliging anyone to publicly display an affliction. I'm deaf enough to struggle badly at supermarket checkouts when the shop is noisy and there's music on the tannoy, but I'm damned if I'm going to walk round town with a badge advertising the fact. I must be living in a very unrepresentative area, because I haven't seen this mask fake exemption problem round here.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 04 May 21 - 07:53 PM

I worked in hospital operating theatres and other departments nearly 50 years ago: we all wore masks: surgeons, anaesthetists, nurses, theatre assistants, porters: no-one, but nobody at all was exempt. You just got used to it, wearing them all day, with maybe a new one after lunch if you got a break at all. So I am slightly sceptical of some modern-day claims to be exempted from wearing masks now: e.g. whole gangs of teenagers going into the local Co-op for their lunchtime fast food fix, ALL claiming they can’t wear masks as they have asthma!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 21 - 06:30 PM

I'm rather pleased that my sour attitude irks you. I would much rather suffer from a sour attitude than your broadcasting of the fact that you appear to want the world to see you as a confounded and unstable idiot almost every time you post. Perhaps, after the last couple of days of your shameful posting, you would consider refraining from making any further stupid comments about me. You have nothing to say that I want to even remotely engage with apropos of the substantive issues of this and other threads, so let's just settle for that and avoid each other, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 21 - 06:22 PM

We don't behave like that because, to put it as simply as I can, and not for the first time, we are in this together and we have no wish to make anyone else feel uncomfortable, insecure or vulnerable. It's a function of our accepting (contrary to many an accusation here) the fact that other people may not share our views, and may be even required to wear masks as part of their jobs. I don't go around feeling all hoity-toity about being "forced" to wear a mask. Like everybody else, I just put the bloody thing on then forget it. I have two friends who refuse to wear masks (and who think Bill Gates is out to get them), and I am extremely critical of them. Right?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 May 21 - 06:05 PM

So when I went to a&e the other month would it have been ok to refuse to wear my mask?

Would it have been appropriate to say to the staff, why are you wearing those masks when there is a lack of evidence as to their efficacy?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 21 - 05:55 PM

Stve and others say they have near perfect mask behavior which is all well and good. What irks me is his sour attitude about the whole thing.
I suspect the subject is more inflamatory here but maybe not.

And here are the wayward missing e,e,e's that perform poorly on this keyboard.

!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoa, I think that was more Chinese rocket debris that just cratered in the backyard.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 21 - 05:36 PM

Take a me too from me, Dick.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 May 21 - 05:09 PM

yes but we have had the pandemic for over a year , governments could have done it months ago. plus provide evidence of mask effectiveness, before you make such a statement.
yes, i wear a mask but i am not sure or have seen evidence of EXACTLY how effective masks are , have you?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 May 21 - 04:34 PM

INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPATION is infentiisimal compared to well thought government strategy. ventilation of buildings design of buildings to deal with viral infection etc.. is just as important as wearing a mask[a mask that may have been handled or dirty etc ]

Most public buildings put up in the last generation have terrible air circulation when aerosolized pathogens are the issue. The timescale we are dealing with is months, not decades. Masks can work that fast, rebuilding can't.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 May 21 - 07:25 AM

amny way i now have marked 3 people on this forum, who i reckon would love to put on a uniform and start goosestepping


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 21 - 07:05 AM

Whether I spot my own typing errors depends on whether I'm not wearing my reading specs (lethal), using my iPhone (severe), both those at once (which generally means I'm posting whilst still in bed, leaning up on one elbow), or using my iPad mini (mild to moderate). It's rarely worth picking anyone up for their little peccadillos, unless, of course, they're having a go at me for mine. Then it can become open season, as Nigel will tell you... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 May 21 - 07:05 AM

Stilly River Sage posted:
"299 people in the US are confirmed to have died of COVID-19 yesterday. One day total is the equivalent of an airliner crash, but it passes by barely remarked on."

There have been a number of discussions here in the UK about number of covid deaths or number of excess deaths.

The following article in today's Guardian was a sobering read.

"A 30 year old American is three times more likely to die at that age than his or her European peers. In fact, Americans do worse at just about every age. To make matters more grim, the American disadvantage is growing over time.

In 2017, for example, higher American mortality translated into roughly 401,000 excess deaths – deaths that would not have occurred if the US had Europe’s lower age-specific death rates. Pre-pandemic, that 401,000 is about 12% of all American deaths. The percentage is even higher below age 85, where one in four Americans die simply because they do not live in Europe"

Why do Americans die earlier than Europeans?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jos
Date: 04 May 21 - 06:32 AM

As typos go, I really like Sandman's 'infentiisimal'.

It made my morning (I'm easily pleased), and I had no problem understanding it.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 May 21 - 05:20 AM

"WTF is a "prmonition"!?"

I had a feeling that Donuel was going to spell it like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 21 - 04:32 AM

By the way, in a discussion forum in which I'm putting my point of view in a direct yet polite and carefully constructed manner (which is what we are supposedly here to do), I think that trying to shut someone down by telling them "enough already" comes across as somewhat jarring and even just a tad authoritarian...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 21 - 04:27 AM

Are you reading my posts, Maggie? Did you see the bit that said And at least on this side of the ocean compliance with the rules has been generally pretty good. The people have done well? How does that compute with "I think your view discounts the incredible impact individual participation can make when people resolve to do things effectively to protect themselves and those around them," pray tell?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 May 21 - 01:58 AM

i agree with Steve Shaw.
INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPATION is infentiisimal compared to well thought government strategy. ventilation of buildings design of buildings to deal with viral infection etc.. is just as important as wearing a mask[a mask that may have been handled or dirty etc ]


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 21 - 11:01 PM

A typo.

And again, Steve, we must agree to disagree because I think your view discounts the incredible impact individual participation can make when people resolve to do things effectively to protect themselves and those around them. Now enough already.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jeri
Date: 03 May 21 - 09:17 PM

WTF is a "prmonition"!?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 21 - 09:16 PM

And your pronouncements about the efficacy of masks, even going so far as to say that people who genuinely can't wear them shouldn't leave their houses, are made with such certainty that you make other opinions look more than tepid. I'm quite happy that we can disagree on this, but you must accept that flaccid leadership in your country, my country, India, Brazil and elsewhere, and leaky national borders, have played a massive part in making this a GLOBAL pandemic. You can hit out at mask rebels all you like but you won't stop them from being rebels (by rebels I mean refusers, by the way, not reluctant compliers like me), and, as I sort of said before, out of a hundred or two mask rebels it could be that one or none will actually have the infection. That doesn't remotely make them right or safe, but we need to get a grip on where the real problem lies. It is terrible leadership and mass movement of people, mostly for slight reasons, across international borders. This virus doesn't have wings. And at least on this side of the ocean compliance with the rules has been generally pretty good. The people have done well, we have few cases compared to most other countries but our government is seriously adept at throwing away the advantage, as it seems about to do again apropos of allowing foreign holidays both in and out of the country. Unfocussed blaming ordinary people is futile and negative and won't change anything for the better.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 21 - 09:12 PM

Raindog, thanks for posting it first. Prmonition is worth its weight in gold.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 21 - 08:41 PM

We will have to agree to disagree about who spreads it. There is plenty of blame to go around though your pronouncements suggest any other opinion is tepid. There is PLENTY of information here in the US, but unfortunately the Resident of the White House for four years was averse to science and facts. And his followers have piled on in arguing against common sense personal behavior. Those individuals are definitely part of the problem. Modi in India is a Little Trump on a much larger stage. He bears a considerable part of the blame, and it trickles down through his chosen administrators if they dismiss medical facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 May 21 - 06:55 PM

New York Times review of Michael Lewis's book The Premonition - A Pandemic Story

New York Times review

It was an extract from the book in The UK Sunday Times that surprised me with the news of the genome tracking in th US


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 21 - 06:20 PM

In this country we have had mixed messages from the top for well over a year. There has been massive confusion about what you can or can't do, what's legal and what's illegal, starting or ending on this date or that. We've had a labyrinthine four-tier system of restrictions that even the politicians didn't understand. We've had hubris from Johnson about defeating the virus in twelve weeks. We've had Tory little-England exceptionalism. We've had a government test and trace app costing tens of billions that doesn't work. You can be in trouble with the law if you fail to self-isolate when the app tells you to, but you don't even have to have the bloody app! We've had delayed lockdowns that have cost thousands of lives. We've had untested sick people sent from hospital into care homes. Tens of thousands of old people have died as a result. We are currently talking up the shining possibility of foreign holidays and our borders are way too porous and quarantine has, at times, been de facto voluntary.

So I don't want to hear about ordinary people being blamed. Of course, there will always be a few. Round here, people all comply valiantly with all the rules when they can, but it's often impossible, in free-for-all supermarkets for example. Everybody round here wears a mask when required. The people in this country have been very good about this. So I'm not accepting blame. It might be different in America, I wouldn't know. But we have leaders who are supposed to lead, not confuse us. We have done it in spite of our leaders. I want to see them promoting a national sense of communal responsibility, predicated on sound, clear advice and abundant information. There has been little sign of a coordinated effort to do that. So put the blame where it truly lies, not on a few renegade non-mask wearers.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 21 - 05:52 PM

299 people in the US are confirmed to have died of COVID-19 yesterday. One day total is the equivalent of an airliner crash, but it passes by barely remarked on.

There are a lot of people out there not pulling their weight when it comes to protecting others. And so many have died that the tragedy of deaths now is that they are viewed as business as usual.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 21 - 04:05 PM

What is the remedy when someone offends an entire country or world?
Facebook is about to review their decision to deplateform Donald Trump. Florida adds its 2 cents by signing a law to fine Faceebook $250,000 if they deplateform anyone without warning and other things...
what to do what to do?!
signed, the incomprehensible one :^?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 21 - 11:29 AM

The whole herd immunity thing was put succinctly on a radio interview today. During a pandemic we live in a time of great personal sacrifice for the greater good. Too many people don't understand that, or have decided the political response is their approach rather than an altruistic attitude. Simply put.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 May 21 - 10:43 AM

Donuel:
Simply put
Are you capable of doing that. I usually find you as incomprehensible.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 21 - 10:36 AM

double mutant variant


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 May 21 - 10:08 AM

From The Guardian today

"New Zealand’s customs agency has fired nine border workers who refused to get the Covid-19 vaccine. The country has required all frontline border workers to be vaccinated by the end of April.

In February, the prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, said the government would not be making the vaccine compulsory for frontline staff, and that those who declined the vaccine would be moved into backroom roles.

But no other work could be found to redeploy the nine workers who were in fixed term employment at the maritime border, Jacinda Funnell, Customs’ deputy chief executive for people and capability, said."

New Zealand fires nine border workers who refused Covid vaccine


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