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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Donuel 27 Sep 21 - 01:20 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 01:20 PM

As a pacifist I favor the elixer of peace similar to the ancient Greeks at Elysium. Old solutions can be repeated. However there is wisdom in the Art of War when it comes to conflict and conflict avoidance.
We are doing amazingly well so far in our struggle for health.
That people often do not like being told what to do is a rock in our sock.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 12:09 PM

Donny - ok..Thanks...

'Knowledge is power'...!!!'

For a lifelong pacifist, I have big respect for military maxims

.. Best of all "Know thy enemy"...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 11:53 AM

OK the new conspiracy https://www.techtimes.com/articles/265811/20210924/anti-vaccine-facebook-groups-imploring-people-stay-away-icu.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 11:49 AM

Simply the data as you will, I won't do it for you.
viral mutation rates


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 11:25 AM

.. on the other hand...

When I started getting the flu jab 2 or 3 years ago,
that was a positive turning point in my life..

Prior to that I could count on most Januarys or Februarys being wiped out by a nasty bout of Flu..

It was even worse for the years I was actively keeping fit and strong in the gym..

Apparently that healthy lifestyle weakens resistence to winter bugs...???

===========================

"This week the conspiracy crowd has surpassed all of its previous damaging rhetoric. It is so perverse, not even I will repeat it."

Donny - don't be so precious...!!!

If there are new strains of conspiracy theories,
this is the thread were we need to be alerted to them...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 10:54 AM

i have never botherd with the flu jab it is one instance where i would prefer to build up my immune system mind you i have not had a bath for 25 years so most people smell me and run,
but each to their own


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 21 - 09:43 AM

I believe we are all biased to negative news. This is compounded by a confusion between evolving research, actual data and the fears and conspiracy speculations of the insane or those with a political agenda.
The Martin Gibson's in society, whacko people with a MD after their name and narcicists go to great lengths to give the illusion of points of view and bogus authority that can beguile even highly intelligent people to believe that the negative news is larger than it is. People I know actually begin to think in terms "if all those doctors say...then it must be true". This week the conspiracy crowd has surpassed all of its previous damaging rhetoric. It is so perverse, not even I will repeat it.

Life, liberty and happiness. If you don't have life you can't have liberty, if you can't have liberty you can't have happiness. Save your life by staying alive with vaccines.

So its time to get the flu shot again, get it, and get it early.
Its actually less reliable than Covid vaccines but more likely to help you than facebook. imo
And don't forget the good news is much larger than you can even imagine despite the bias to nocticing bad news.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 10:02 PM

Raindog I am a spectator like everyone else but on this issue I have a front row NIH seat. If you want Nobel prize winners you should seek another website.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 07:35 PM

thanks, Nigel, when I posted the link the last few letters were left off - several times. Each time I re-posted, I made sure the entire URL had been copied, but it still left them off.

One Of Life's Little Mysteries!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 01:43 PM

Many aspects of this discussion - we've seen them somewhere before.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 01:18 PM

That makes horse sense to me...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 01:04 PM

I take all Donuel's post with a pinch of ivermectin.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 12:44 PM

Guardian clicky as above


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 10:34 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/24/absolutely-madness-melbourne-teenagers-reveal-they-are-behind-leading-covid-tracking-website (clicky didn't work - dunno why, can you fix it please Stilly.

It turns out one of the most authoritative Covid-19 tracking sites in Australia is run by three teenagers.

The trio, who have been running CovidbaseAU, became part of their own statistics after getting their first doses of the Moderna vaccine in Melbourne.

The identities of the brains trust behind CovidbaseAU had not been public before Thursday afternoon, when 14-year-old Wesley with Jack and Darcy, both 15, tweeted a photograph of themselves ...

Nick Evershed, the data and interactives editor at Guardian Australia, said CovidBaseAU had done impressive work collating hard-to-find information.

“There has been a few occasions, particularly with the numbers around vaccine imports and supply, where I’ve cross-checked my numbers against theirs,” he said ...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 10:12 AM

That's perfectly good and clear English. And this morning Walensky over-ruled the board and included people in high-risk (exposure) jobs to get the booster also.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 09:29 AM

Perhaps you could run that by us again, this time in plain language...?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 09:25 AM

Confidence is emotionally good. The odds of a vaccinated death is much less than 1% percent but getting the variant (Breakthrough infections) can go up as much as ~20%.

J&J says 2 shots brings their protection up to 100% but the other vaccines don't go that high.

at least thats the NIH propoganda I have been taught.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 08:20 AM

There seem to be several youngsters with Covid in our village, quite a few in our street. And what puzzles me is that their siblings are happily strolling down our road to board the school bus to the high school, or moseying down to our little village primary school. I would have though all members of a 'Covid household' should be quarantined until they all test negative?
Since my husband cleans at the same school, I'm worried he may be exposed to these 'carriers'. He seems to believe that the two jabs he's had are magic and he'll never get Covid! The pupils are all around him during the afternoons, and he's cleaning toilets etc. He promised me he always wears his mask and visor.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 05:47 AM

The US has more than 2,000 agonizing Covid deaths per day.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 04:08 AM

There was a village built of crumbling clay and rotting wood, and it squated under a broiling sun like a sick and mangy animal that wanted to die. This village had a virus shared by its people. It was the germ of squalor, racism and hopelessness. Those who claimed faith had lost their faith. For the faithless the hopeless and the misery laden, there is time, ample time, to engage in one of the pursuits of men. They began to destroy themselves. Every person had their own side, their own facebook page and harbored in the safety of annominity, their savory hate.
Gradually that hate grew openly and expressed itself beyond the digital world into the streets, into the school board meetings and into their guns with bullets. The only reward was the self satisfaction of owning or disgracing the other side. There was the sickening competition of the number of the dead. The only good dead were the 'other' ones. Sadly your own tribal dead were the real people, the decent folk who hated all the right folks.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 23 Sep 21 - 03:37 AM

I'm looking at the state government COVID regulations page & there it is - a bald statement, but oh, how so true what with anti-vaxxers & "freedom" marchers around. COVID-19 RULES IN NSW

It also rules in other places around Australia.

In Melbourne, Australia's 2nd largest state capital "Freedom" marchers have taken over in the past few days. Yesterday they occupied the
Shrine of Remembrance

As someone said recently, we don't have enough villages for the idiots we are producing.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 11:57 PM

Washington Governor Criticizes Idaho Leadership: “Stop Clogging Up My Hospitals”

Washington Governor Jay Inslee (D) criticized Idaho leadership, saying that Idaho Governor Brad Little’s (R) disregard for the Covid-19 pandemic is “clogging up” Washington’s hospitals.

“Today in my state, Washington citizens in many cases cannot get heart surgery, cannot get cancer surgery that they need, because we are having to take too many people of unvaccinated nature and unmasked, many of whom come from Idaho, and that’s just maddening frankly,” Inslee told MSNBC.

“So we are calling for Idaho and the leaders there to lead and take some commonsense measures,” Inslee continued. “I’m disappointed the governor of Idaho has spent more time trying to reduce protection by reducing vaccine usage instead of concentrating on this, and then clogging up my hospitals.”

Inslee proceeded to criticize the Republican Party in its entirety.

“Unfortunately, that entire party, the other party, is not helping out, pulling on the rope here. Many states are in the same position and many governors will experience the same frustration I have. So it’s time for people to start pulling on the rope and do an American duty. Get vaccinated, have useful use of masks where appropriate. If we do these things, we know we can best this pandemic,” he said.

Health care workers are exhausted as Idaho’s Covid-19 cases continue their upward trajectory.

“The numbers continue to increase, and we expect them to continue to increase,” said Dave Jeppesen, the director of the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 09:38 PM

All Idaho, Alaska and Montana hospitals are on [crises status].
translated: The entire state is on a kind of DNR where a triage of patients will now deny hospital service to those who are judged to probably not survive. This will apply to all patients whether they have Covid or not.
The mantra of the right that safety standards be it masks, vaccines or other mitigating procedures is a 'personal matter' is clearly not true.

I suppose this is happening due to the thin healthcare network in those states as well as the overwhelming pandemic numbers. I'm sorry, people are more than just numbers.
This development is a challenge for gallows humor comedians but I'm sure it can be done. I imagine 'crises status' might work well all the time to save money, time and suffering for patient's families, besides the dead don't pay hospital bills reliably.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 07:00 PM

Good Bono joke.

That kind of humour is on display in a good show to watch during the Covid Continuation: Ted Lasso. It celebrates the mutual appreciation between our two sides of the Atlantic Ocean, where an American football coach is hired to manage a Manchester UK football team. I'm quite enjoying it.

The local headlines have been focused on our sad rate of Covid infection, which apparently leads the nation in per capita cases. According to the Daily News, people have died due to lack of availability of treatment room and proper medical equipment. Because of our low overall population the death count is very low. Most people I interact with are healthy, masked, or both. Our schools are open for now. The epidemologists are calling attention to the likelihood that Alaska lags the other states, so they hope our numbers start to decline within a week or so after the Labor Day celebrations.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 06:29 PM

Yeah, don't ask me why, but Raindog's quip reminded me of that yarn about Bono (the most pretentious man on the planet apart from Sting, or possibly Geldof): "At a U2 concert in Glasgow, Bono asks the audience for some quiet. Then in the silence, he starts to slowly clap his hands. Holding the audience in total silence, he says into the microphone, 'Every time I clap my hands, a child in Africa dies.' A voice from near the front pierces the silence: 'Well, stop clapping your fucking hands then!' "

Anyway, enough of the diversions. Back to the substantive. Joe wants the world vaccinated. He's yet to tell us how it can be delivered, but I like the sentiment. The way out can only be by vaccination, and we are not safe until everyone's safe.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 05:58 PM

Rain Dog, best guffaw in weeks!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 06:00 PM

Vaccines are the only way out of this. Boris says that his priority is to protect the British people via booster jabs. The World Health Organisation calls for the west to suspend boosters in order to get the rest of the world jabbed all the faster. I know who's right.

But I'll still take the booster when offered...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: DaveRo
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 04:10 PM

Donuel wrote: ...another shocking statistic is from Alaska that reported more deaths than births for the first time in our recorded history
Unsurprising. The population increase in the US is very low - about 0.35% in 2020 (ref). It suggests to me that the mean age of the population of Alaska is increasing a bit more than other states.

Bear in mind also that most Covid deaths are brought forward a year or two, and births are the result of, er, sentiment, 9 months earlier. So it depends on the period that the statistic applies to.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 12:06 PM

Robomatic, another shocking statistic is from Alaska that reported more deaths than births for the first time in our recorded history. One statistic means next to nothing but a myriad of statistics start to tell a tale that is incontravertible.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Rain Dog
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 12:01 PM

Here in the UK we just bury them once.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 11:29 AM

Statistics can be shocking and factual. In the US we are burying a pandemic victim every 35 seconds.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 10:14 AM

Nigel stated facts, Steve, he didn't challenge you. And if anyone else states facts you can take it from me now that they're simply stating facts, they're not here to challenge your opinion.

Update: JUST STOP the arguing and discussing moderation. You've said the same thing over and over and this won't end well if you keep it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 21 - 06:38 AM

Its worse than the Spanish flu.

Hard nose, red nose
some cut it off
When science is denied
the gift of life is lost

When loved ones died
of course we cried
from the terrible cost
of nature's holocaust

Here is the cure
"But I'm not sure"
Please take it anyway
"Perhaps I should just pray"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 08:37 PM

Complete bollocks (which started with yada yada trolling). Still, as long as you're enjoying life.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 08:32 PM

yada yada yada
Lets get back to whats important, his feelings
In the land of the annoyed when the Earth and life was destroyed
in novel new ways as it has been for billions of years,
Manunkind could 'end' in a pyramid myriad of alerts and fears.
There were digital attack alerts, domestic terrorist alerts and climate
fire flood and tsunami alerts even Hawaii flirted with nuclear alerts.
What I will miss in advance, are mysteries and histories left unknown,
not just human mysteries but of whales wondering about the space
between our fingers and the dark of the deep.
Secrets of all life that time will forever keep.
Mutations won't drive evolution into a rapidly changing world
as much as our exogenetic genes from our past that turn back on.
Life may spread by pan spermia and death may spread by space virus.
We don't really know what is next for us.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 05:08 PM

Nigel, I've undertaken to not discuss this. You've seen the post. So it's rather unfair of you to challenge me, frankly. I completely disagree with you, but that's as far as I'm prepared to go for now.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 04:47 PM

Steve Shaw:
If one in a hundred of us is infected, then 99 in a hundred are wearing masks for no good reason and are not protecting anybody.

There may be many wearing masks to protect themselves from the 'one in a hundred' who is infected yet doesn't wear a mask. The one infected person in a hundred does not necessarily know that they are infected.
So the other 99 are not wearing masks for 'no good reason'. They are protecting themselves, and by doing so are are protecting others by avoiding some of the risk of catching Covid.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 03:35 PM

A pandemic related thread? How odd. I was expecting a market crash post next.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: robomatic
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 02:36 PM

In Alaska, I've only associated with a few people, all vaccinated and careful, and while there was a Summer stint without masks, the onset of the Delta variant along with a substantial unvaccinated population in the State and a consequent loss of spare beds in the local hospitals has led to renewed mask self-mandate, the 'self' part of it being that Anchorage has elected a Mayor who is not into the whole 'action' response to the pandemic. Likewise the Governor is no better. They both owe their electinos to the right wing pro-business people (who are not the same thing, but if you campaign carefully you can get a majority).

And the folks I assoiate with now have other associates who have been marked by Covid infections. This has lowered the degrees of separation we have experienced from the disease.

Meanwhile due to some youtube presenting with other folks, all of whom were declared vaccinated, I'd been exposed to some people I know but haven't socialized with for over a year. Anyhow, about twelve days after starting the project I awoke with a sore throat and a slight temperature. My regualar friends suggested I get a Covid test and I agreed, although I suspected I was fighting off a non-Covid virus. I was able to look up among the various test options in town and register over my cellphone. Then I took a fifteen minute drive to a church parking lot where there was a line of cars. As I have found in Alaska, things were run very efficiently. There were two health aides at once taking samples from cars, and things moved faster than I expected. They promised to post results within 48 hours and it was more like 30 hours. And it was negative as I expected.

looking both around the world and back in history, it seems that the level of variation in response and experience is not that exceptional. There are many photos you can find of people wearing masks during the Great flu pandemic, but many not so garbed. The medical establishment then was far more primitive than that of today. And if you look at the Israeli situation, it seemed to start out so progressively and has deteriorated sharply with many vaccine deniers and breakthrough infections, and I believe that most other countries have their version of non-vaccinated at various levels of fantasy and mistrust.

Wishing everyone well and coming back to the standby slogan: "Keep Calm, Vaccinate, Mask-on".


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 08:56 AM

Ah yes, the Science teacher! Has had a very extensive education, knows and updates everyone about many interesting topics in the world of Science, and enjoys gourmet dinners with fine wine.
Actually I had a Physics teacher who was a rampant misogynist and despised his female pupils, a Chemistry teacher who also taught rugby (ferocious chap) plus a really lovely Biology teacher who knew how to teach with enthusiasm and insight. Thanks to them all I passed with Grade 1 in all three subjects.
My favourite though was a very camp, gay English teacher, Mr Shearn. He read out to us all the poems and quoted Shakespeare with feeling. He acted out the parts as if he was on stage. I was fascinated by him and got an 'A' at A level thanks to his dedication.
It takes all sorts eh? (innit?)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 08:43 AM

You forgot to mention the science teacher... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 08:28 AM

Hee hee Steve!! Careful, you might end up buying the Daily Mail and voting Tory (Quick! Send for an ambulance!!)
I often feel that Mudcat is rather like a lively staff-meeting in a school. There's the young student teacher tentatively making a tiny comment, the Head Teacher trying to keep things moving along and squashing the strident teachers. Then the airy-fairy Arts teacher who side-tracks the discussion with aesthetic remarks. Not to mention the Politics/Economics person who knows an awful lot and wants to enlighten the others.
Me? I'm the dotty old tea lady. "Tea and crumpets anybody?" (yap yap yappity yap)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 07:45 AM

Cheers for that, Eliza! I agree with you, and, naturally, I'm not at all biased! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 07:20 AM

No, Steve is merely forthright and speaks his mind without timidity.
We all have our different characters on here, and for me, it makes it all the more interesting!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 04:28 AM

Well I haven't dismissed anybody. I've said repeatedly that I respect the wishes of those who want to wear masks, and that I would personally never break rules. I think that's a respectable position. Please don't misrepresent me then go for the last word. On the issue of masks, that's me done now. OK?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 04:05 AM

I agree Stilly that bickering on and on and on serves no purpose really. And perhaps it would be better if people could just 'agree to disagree'.
We always wear a mask (paper ones that we throw away after use) Our lovely neighbour gets multi-packs of them for us in a Poundsavers shop when she visits a nearby little town.
But we don't mind at all wearing one. (Cheeky husband says it 'improves me'!!) However, we very much respect the views and feelings of those who can't bear having their noses/mouths covered and who believe there is no benefit. Each to his own. But we personally need to protect ourselves, being a bit vulnerable.
Same as getting a vaccine/booster etc. We wouldn't 'harp on' to anyone about it, but just quietly (and thankfully) whizz off to our local surgery to get the latest offering (booster soon!)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 12:31 AM

Steve, when the bickering is removed, it really isn't a good move on your part to continue the conversation. Your view on masks has registered and been rejected. Leave it at that. You combine science and opinion as if they are the same thing, and dismiss those who have a very good reason for wearing masks to save their health and lives. "It could be that masks are incredibly effective. But I don't think so." STOP RIGHT THERE. Just give it a rest.

No more.

Most of us don't agree with you, but as you come in and argue again and again how it doesn't work, you feed into the arguments of the antivaxxers, and we're just not having that here. I don't want to close this thread, but my options are to block you or stop the conversation.

It's in your court. We'll see how this goes in the morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Sep 21 - 06:14 PM

Whatever the stats...

It is an objective fact that too many folks I encounter
who seem sensible and considerate enough to wear masks,
are too inept at wearing them effectively and safely..

I can guess there is a factor of passive aggressive deliberate misuse,
from those anti maskers so timid of breaking compulsary mask wearing regulations
that they comply by defiantly wearing them wrong with their noses poking out...???

Then there are the many good folks who do agree with wearing masks
but still fail to do it properly.
They are a frustrating liability...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: DaveRo
Date: 19 Sep 21 - 02:48 PM

punkfolkrocker wrote: I don't bother with statistics...
Statistics is (are?) interesting.

For example, in the UK, we know the number of vaccinated people but not the number of unvaccinated people, so some claims are misleading:
Take care with claims about unvaccinated case rates

When masks became no-longer compulsory on trains around here we bought some higher spec (FFO2) ones.

The other day I was in a busy art gallery and realised I had to sneeze. Do I sneeze in my mask or what?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 21 - 01:53 PM

Well I know I run the risk of being associated with such types, but I am not of them....

Here's where I am:

I don't think masks do much good, if any.

In fact, I think that the majority of mask-wearers are guilty of mask-abuse (using the same mask for days, in and out of their snot-rag pockets and contaminating their notes and coins, left festering on the dashboard, down-up-down-up, fiddled around with, scratching nose through...), any or all of which renders masks potentially worse than useless...

I want to show my face and I want to see others' faces too.

If one in a hundred of us is infected, then 99 in a hundred are wearing masks for no good reason and are not protecting anybody.

I'm sick of seeing mask-litter everywhere I go...even in Bude...

I've seen plenty of examples of mask-wearers being complacent. Coming up close, reaching across me in shops. I can honestly say that not one single unmasked person has ever done that to me, and I don't do it to other people.

Finally, there can't be good science with regard to mask efficacy. I won't repeat myself again on that one. We wear masks mostly because "higher authorities" are constantly pushing them. And they have no better evidence than we do.

I've kept every rule on this to the letter ever since the first lockdown. I won't rebel. But I'm wondering what kind of a country we're turning into when we are told that for months on end we can't be in the same house as our loved ones, we can't have Christmas, we can't go here and there and that we must hide the one physical attribute that is the most human of all, our faces.


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