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BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19

Donuel 13 Apr 20 - 08:47 AM
Donuel 13 Apr 20 - 08:35 AM
Mr Red 13 Apr 20 - 06:09 AM
Mr Red 13 Apr 20 - 02:17 AM
Helen 13 Apr 20 - 02:13 AM
mg 13 Apr 20 - 01:00 AM
Donuel 12 Apr 20 - 07:10 PM
Mrrzy 12 Apr 20 - 04:56 PM
Donuel 11 Apr 20 - 09:45 PM
Thompson 11 Apr 20 - 06:45 PM
Senoufou 10 Apr 20 - 06:13 PM
Donuel 10 Apr 20 - 06:04 PM
Mrrzy 10 Apr 20 - 05:21 PM
Senoufou 10 Apr 20 - 04:42 PM
fat B****rd 10 Apr 20 - 04:20 PM
Senoufou 10 Apr 20 - 03:41 PM
Nigel Parsons 10 Apr 20 - 03:05 PM
Mrrzy 10 Apr 20 - 02:56 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 08:47 AM

If this was WW2 we are at the end of the beggining.
We have yet to discover 'radar' and 'enigma machine'.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 08:35 AM

Mr Red
Ventilators are one means to oxygenate blood and remove CO2. It is not the best but is more available and cheaper.
When ventillated;
TOU CAN NOT EAT
YOU CAN NOT TALK
THE CHEAPEST NOURISHMENT IS GLUCOSE DRIP :(not good for diabetics)
20%+ effective in saving life
Sedation or medical Coma is not required but is considered more comfortable.

You've seen the oxygen hoods used as an alternative or intermediary treatment.
Mucus/ (different kind of sputum) from Covis 19 is thicker but not like a fluid suffocating pnumonia.
The X ray of Covid damaged lungs looks more cotton like than dark fluid filled lungs with other pnumonias..
There are attempts to drain lungs.
There are a bevy of medications being tried.

Yes there is room for specific improvement to address damage and symptoms. Standards of care is being treated like a one size fits all.
This is a common problem in all areas of medicine. Perhaps a novel alternative will prove promising by a risk taking smart doctor.

Or you could ask the Stable genius and self proclaimed scientist Steve Shaw for assistance. He is the one who condemened my early pandemic warning in January and did nothing for 2 months.

The clues are there for all to see but the next effective treatments are immunity plasma and vaccines.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 06:09 AM

worrying opinions on the use of ventilators

Basically some respected medics in the US & Italy are saying that what they see is that COVD-19 causes a lack of oxygen, rather than pneumonia per se. And ventilating with positive pressure does cause lung damage and the sedation has side effects also. It is treatment, a patch, not a re-fit with new parts!
The bottom line is that COVID-19 is new and we are learning, and we do what has worked before. What is needed is not necessarily what was done before.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 02:17 AM

The cause is probably education and the nature of their employment.

It has been pointed-out that the lower paid/out of work are represented at a higher percentage in the African-American community, and there is a lifestyle dimension too.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 02:13 AM

Hi mg, this data is updated daily and if you click the link on the name of the country you are interested in it will show more detailed data and also charts. I've been looking at this every day.

COVID-19 Coronavirus Pandemic


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 13 Apr 20 - 01:00 AM

how is iran doing? i have not heard anything for a while and the charts that i look at don't show current status.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 07:10 PM

instinct and fact is like going with his gut and underwear for proof.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Apr 20 - 04:56 PM

Trump says he'll base decisions on "facts and instincts" - I haven't laughed that hard in weeks.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 09:45 PM

Now now there is hope with the young


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Thompson
Date: 11 Apr 20 - 06:45 PM

We're having an advance viewing of the horrors that are coming our way if we don't reverse the climate crisis. However, people forget fast. They'll just start driving again as soon as this is over, and soon it will all be over.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 06:13 PM

Merci bcp Mrrzy, c'est vraiment un énorme soulagement.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 06:04 PM

It is reccomended to not go shopping or to the drugstore this week of the peak. They didn't have apples or lettuce or tomatos or cabbage or meat anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 05:21 PM

Oh Senoufou quel soulagement.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 04:42 PM

Thank you very much Charlie!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: fat B****rd
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 04:20 PM

Good to hear, Eliza x


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 03:41 PM

With regard to the BCG (protection against TB) vaccine, my sister and I both had it done at 14yrs old, but she recently got Covid.
By the way, she's home at last, very weak and a bit low, but thankful to be back in her Tayside village once more.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 03:05 PM

Males are twice as likely to get infected. The reasons for that are social and the extra X chromosome in females. Breast milk may provide a bit of protection.

So I just need to find a compliant young mum then ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:56 PM

And this:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.23.20026864v2


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:55 PM

Men are not more likely to catch it, but they are more likely to die of it.

Also this: https://wsvn.com/news/us-world/smoking-weed-and-coronavirus-even-occasional-use-raises-risk-of-covid-19-complications/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:17 PM

Perhaps, too, we will finally start to understand patriotism more as cultivating the health and life of your community, rather than blowing up someone else’s community. Maybe the de-militarization of American patriotism and love of community will be one of the benefits to come out of this whole awful mess.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:57 PM

Males are twice as likely to get infected. The reasons for that are social and the extra X chromosome in females. Breast milk may provide a bit of protection.

The line outside the grocery store was about a quarter mile long.
Distancing and one in one out policy is why.

Drivers are pent up and definetely out for themselves with a me first atttude.

No hamburger. No cleaning products. No frozen foods.

They had milk and cookies.

Grocery baggers are dieing despite being only in their 20's.

The supply chain is suffering.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 09:49 AM

Just heard on bbc news that the BCG (old tuberculosis vaccine) might work. That would make me happy, my sisters and I all had that. The BCG, not consumption.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 09:15 AM

Loop hole allows debt collectors to seize pandemic relief checks and social security checks from those in pandemic need.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Apr 20 - 07:00 AM

Patriotism is imho the wrong metaphor. Patriotism would make it right of Trump to steal Germany's masks. Fuck the idea that the citizens of any one country deserve to live more than those of another, sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: mg
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 11:41 PM

except that the military (composed of both men and women) is increasingly a part of the response to this, and is used to doing things fairly quickly and efficiently. We have a lot to learn from them (us).


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 03:53 PM

The personal becomes dangerous.

Deborah Tannen is a professor of linguistics at Georgetown and author, most recently, of You’re the Only One I Can Tell: Inside the Language of Women’s Friendships.


On 9/11, Americans discovered we are vulnerable to calamities we thought only happened in distant lands. The 2008 financial crisis told us we also can suffer the calamities of past eras, like the economic meltdown of the Great Depression. Now, the 1918 flu pandemic is a sudden specter in our lives.


This loss of innocence, or complacency, is a new way of being-in-the-world that we can expect to change our doing-in-the-world. We know now that touching things, being with other people and breathing the air in an enclosed space can be risky. How quickly that awareness recedes will be different for different people, but it can never vanish completely for anyone who lived through this year. It could become second nature to recoil from shaking hands or touching our faces—and we might all find we can’t stop washing our hands.


The comfort of being in the presence of others might be replaced by a greater comfort with absence, especially with those we don’t know intimately. Instead of asking, “Is there a reason to do this online?” we’ll be asking, “Is there any good reason to do this in person?”—and might need to be reminded and convinced that there is. Unfortunately, if unintendedly, those without easy access to broadband will be further disadvantaged. The paradox of online communication will be ratcheted up: It creates more distance, yes, but also more connection, as we communicate more often with people who are physically farther and farther away—and who feel safer to us because of that distance.


A new kind of patriotism.

Mark Lawrence Schrad is an associate professor of political science and author of the forthcoming Smashing the Liquor Machine: A Global History of Prohibition.


America has long equated patriotism with the armed forces. But you can’t shoot a virus. Those on the frontlines against coronavirus aren’t conscripts, mercenaries or enlisted men; they are our doctors, nurses, pharmacists, teachers, caregivers, store clerks, utility workers, small-business owners and employees. Like Li Wenliang and the doctors of Wuhan, many are suddenly saddled with unfathomable tasks, compounded by an increased risk of contamination and death they never signed up for.


When all is said and done, perhaps we will recognize their sacrifice as true patriotism, saluting our doctors and nurses, genuflecting and saying, “Thank you for your service,” as we now do for military veterans. We will give them guaranteed health benefits and corporate discounts, and build statues and have holidays for this new class of people who sacrifice their health and their lives for ours. Perhaps, too, we will finally start to understand patriotism more as cultivating the health and life of your community, rather than blowing up someone else’s community. Maybe the de-militarization of American patriotism and love of community will be one of the benefits to come out of this whole awful mess.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 01:21 PM

Another of my cousins has it. This one is in the DC area, the others were in Austin.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 11:12 AM

Also posted on the Cause thread


Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 09:21 AM

WHAT IS THE AFTERMATH?


I admire thinking ahead. Here are the best macro thinkers on dealing with the now and future.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/19/coronavirus-effect-economy-life-society-analysis-covid-135579


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 08:48 AM

Yep, Mr. Prine made it clear how he wants his remains disposed of long ago:

"Please don't bury me
Down in that cold, cold ground
No, I'd rather have 'em cut me up
And pass me all around"

"Throw my brain in a hurricane
And the blind can have my eyes
And the deaf can take both of my ears
If they don't mind the size"


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Apr 20 - 07:58 AM

And don't bury John Prine down in the cold cold ground.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 04:01 PM

The racial parameters are not measured in the hospital but are garnered later by calling the morgue. So the figures could be unreliable bu t I fear not. I believe I can see the social and economic reasons. The psych reasons for not trusting whitey and not giving a fuck goes around and comes around. Poverty is a powerful killer.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 02:36 PM

Donuel said, "...losing black citizens at a death rate 7 times higher than other communities..."

This is what worries me. The people who cannot afford medical services, the people who are on or near the poverty line, the people who are targeted by the racists, they are all of the people who seem to be fair game in Donald Trump's policies and strategies. I keep seeing in my head the media scenes of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and what I saw was a country abandoning its people in crisis to a great degree, and most of the people in those media images were black people.


A note on productive coughs: it's a medical term meaning that the cough is "producing" or ejecting phlegm from the lungs. If you can clear the lungs it will help ease the symptoms. Dry coughs tend not to be productive coughs.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 11:59 AM

A morning productive cough is normal to me.
A dry cough is normally bronchitis,allergies,asthma...
A dry cough with fever should be watched.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 10:52 AM

Article on what might or might not be sn actual symptom: https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/coronavirus-wild-symptoms-correlation.html


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 10:25 AM

It took me several days to get off of Tramadol after taking it for about 3 weeks for the knee surgery. I had to cut the tablets to taper off of it. It was somewhat helpful for the muscle pain (nothing is completely effective). Is coughing with coronavirus "productive" - do you want to keep coughing? Codeine cough syrup is pretty effective with heavy coughs; I prefer taking guiafed. Are people having to sleep propped up?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 10:20 AM

At the intersection of Disinformation and Hate there are hard core Trump advocates that will not relent their conspiracies even unto their deathbed. We are going to lose quite a few extremists to covid 19.
We are also losing black citizens at a death rate 7 times higher than other communities for a similar but different kind of disinformation and distrust.


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Subject: VIRUS DENIERS on TV and radio
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 09:51 AM

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-republicans-denial-fox-news-trump-war-on-science-20200315.html



https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/dr-drew-coronavirus-supercut-restored-to-youtube-after-copyright-takedown/


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 09:45 AM

No narcotics for me, thanks. I had a terrible experience with tramadol - and I only took it for three weeks. Not only that, it didn't work.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 09:35 AM

The problem with NSAIDs is their effect on the immune response to the virus - they drastically reduce it. Paracetamol and microdose aspirin are ok, pain-relief or anti-inflammatory doses of aspirin/NSAIDs seem to be very dangerous right now. Use dihydrocodeine or similar if you really need it. (No idea about gabapentin or amitryptiline).

I haven't seen any research on fhe effects of fever reduction. My take on it is that fever is an anti-viral response, so you want to just let it happen unless it gets dangerously high - and with COVID-19 it rarely seems to get that bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 09:10 AM

https://www.technologynetworks.com/immunology/videos/the-coronavirus-outbreak-explained-through-3d-medical-animation-332089


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 06:23 AM

Acetaminophen and paracetamol are the same thing, as is Tylenol, which is just a brand name in the US.

Well I've been taking diclofenac (Voltarol) for many years for back pain. It's an NSAID but the advice is to continue taking it, and I am doing. I have better things to worry about.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 04:18 AM

very high temperatures - >40C - are, in themselves, life-threatening and need to be reduced.

As I always say, "life ain't binary". But the advice to the general idiot in the street, currently for COVID-19, is "to avoid ibuprofen and asprin", because they are vaso-dilatory.
If you are in hospital, it is a different context, you have the extended knowledge of experts, who have thermometers and are not afraid to wield them.

Some experts advocate Tylenol which would appear to be nothing more than Paracetamol which has been cited as not much better - and is also antipyretic BTW. Though is not anti-inflammatory which is a plus apparently.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 03:55 AM

Good news, Sen. I hope she’s on her way to a full recovery.
I’m also in the same camp as most others re: Boris Johnson - I’ve never wished I’ll health on anyone, and I wish Mr. Johnson a full and speedy recovery.
Stay well dear lady!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 03:46 AM

I live in fear of hearing that Abidjan cases escalate. Most of the people there are poor, ill-nourished and living in very close proximity, several to a room etc. They are all on curfew, but can go out during the day and mix freely, which seems mad to me.
Also, medical care is practically unobtainable there.

I see that most of the major supermarkets are now allowing only one person to each trolley (no couples) so I'll have to stay in the car while husband does the actual shopping armed with a list.

I hope Boris Johnson pulls through. (and indeed anyone in an ICU)
I read today that two-thirds of those put on a ventilator will die from the virus. Luckily my sister is off hers now and on a drip instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Apr 20 - 12:05 AM

DC too.

Bad Supreme Court decisions about in-person voting in Wisconsin and I think simewhere else.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 10:51 PM

A friend of the devil is a friend of mine.
I hope Boris does well in the Horse spittle.
A failure to act is his only sad crime
We can hope his breathe won't get too brittle
What this means is that Covid 19 has stunned
his ace2 receptors deep in the lungs.
The air sacs (avioli) have the ace2 receptors.
If the virus stays in the nose the case may stay mild
but being well behaved is not in virus nature.

ITS OFFICIAL In Chicago the black community is suffering a double
infection rate and is dieing at 7 times the rate of white communities.
The cause is probably education and the nature of their employment.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 05:21 PM

And Oklahoma has partially stopped the ban on abortions.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 05:13 PM

I was just about to post about Boris. When did he last shake hands with Trump?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 20 - 04:07 PM

It's at my mum's care home too. She is 91 and has COPD.

The news about Boris is terrible. Get well, mate...


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