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BS: 2020 national election, USA

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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 20 - 07:37 PM

Ruth Bader Ginsberg dies at 87.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Sep 20 - 12:29 PM

I have voted. Yay. Took about an hour including the line, not bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 10:06 PM

For the faithful it is all a witch hunt hoax, don't believe your eyes and everything except my tweets are the enemy of the people.
However the quote "I love to play it down, I'm still playing it down" is repeated often on TV.

In DC town the armory has stockpiled body armor piercing ammo, Gas explosion bass loud speaker crowd control weapons (they nauseate crowds) and microwave cannons, they call it a heat ray today.

I was exposed to the microwave cannon years ago and it immediately disabled me falling flat. Don't ask why.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 08:38 AM

McGrath of Harlow, you reminded me of an old practical joke from the days before intercontinental phone calls, where you'd send a cable saying Ignore previous telegram all fine don't panic, which would of course panic the poor recipients.

One. More. Day.

I squint a lot.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 08:31 AM

does anyone feel will Bob Woodward's book on Trump have any effect on the election?

As is said in an article about the book - "there are many books on Trump, this is just another". And Captain Catstrophe allowed interviews because he thought he could sweet-talk a man of integrity.

Just another book? That people will sit up and take notice IMHO.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 08:19 PM

So Trump and allies are talking violent take over.
Let him declare war on America and nobody comes to fight.
Its probably happened before in history but I wouldn't know.
How embarrassing for the two guys who actually show up in DC to defend a deposed Donald.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 06:42 AM

Armed insurrection if Biden wins is Trumps own rhetoric.

For people who work at the NIH they have noticed that CDC data comes in the same day every month for the last 28 years but lately the data could be 2 or 3 weeks late.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 09:42 PM

Here's an excerpt if blocked

Mr. Caputo charged that scientists “deep in the bowels of the C.D.C.” walked “around like they are monks” and “holy men” but engaged in “rotten science.”

He fiercely defended his scientific adviser, Dr. Paul Alexander, who was heavily involved in the effort to reshape the C.D.C.’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports. Mr. Caputo described Dr. Alexander, an assistant professor at McMaster University in Canada, as “a genius.”

“To allow people to die so that you can replace the president is a grievous venial sin, venial sin,” Mr. Caputo said. “And these people are all going to hell. The shooting will begin if Biden does not concede”


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 09:28 PM

This is the man Trump put in charge of censoring the CDC
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/14/us/politics/caputo-virus.html


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 09:41 AM

"Don't Panic" is probably the most frightening phrase in the English language.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 09:06 AM

I got a Please vote in person or absentee thing from the post office that had no false info on it.
Today is the Monday of the week I can vote on Friday. So if you look at it one way and squint, there are only three more whole not-yet days left.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Sep 20 - 05:07 PM

It looks like out county mails the ballots to voters on September 19. I'll be watching to see if the post office mangles the delivery of them to our homes (I'm due to receive an absentee ballot, I filed a request to get one every time now that I am eligible as I have reached the age I have reached).


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 20 - 04:06 PM

Its been said in the land of the free
(to demonstrate)
and the home of the brave
( who stay home)
downplaying a pandemic is the worst thing to do.

The only panic came from being 'legally' shot in the streets.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Sep 20 - 07:23 PM

9 more days till I can vote. I can hold on that long.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Sep 20 - 05:14 AM

True enough - lots of side effects which did a little bit to set against the disastrous consequences. No traffic on the roads meant fewer road casualties, less pollution from planes. Nice quiet road behind my house which is normally deafening. Fewer hedgehogs flattened...

But overall a lot more people died. The UK government figures on August 20 had total extra deaths to date as 55,000, with 49,000 of those linked directly to Covid.
..............

Typical of Trump that when denying calling fallen soldiers "losers" and ¿suckers" he immediately moved on to talking about the money he claimed to have pushed in their direction. Thus confirming that he sees all these things in "transactional" terms. (And predictably enough, those claims were false.)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: mg
Date: 06 Sep 20 - 01:10 AM

re excess deaths...how would you count, or would you, the people who did not die but probably would have. i think this is noted in australia, where flu deaths are way way down...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Sep 20 - 05:44 PM

I saw that video where a guy who voted republican last time said this time, if the dems ran a can of tomatoes, he'd vote for the can.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Sep 20 - 04:08 PM

founding fathers sing


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Sep 20 - 08:28 PM

As in someone like Boris Johnson? Up against Trump clearly you'd choose him. It's a bit hard to think of too many you wouldn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Sep 20 - 03:51 PM

I would take lazy and incompetent over what we have any day, with gravy.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Sep 20 - 02:50 PM

The Trump faithful in their millions will believe him when he denies it. The leaders will pretend to believe him.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 09:45 PM

"The killed, injured and captured members of the armed services are all losers and suckers."

Let each republican leader explain that Trump quote.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 08:57 PM

That last post I made was open to misunderstanding. The actual running daily death rate from Covid 19 in the UK is now down to 13 - which scaled up to the size of the USA would be equivalent to about 75 a day, somewhat lower than the actual figure of 1000 or so.

What I meant was, the total number of dead from Covid in the UK so far, where our 41,527 works out to more than the USA total to date if you adjust it for your population.

Of course the figure that is really significant here is the excess deaths, to allow for stuff like people dying from other things because they couldn't get help they needed, because of the Covid crisis. That's a good bit higher for both the UK and the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 06:20 AM

Shhh...Trump has stumbled and fallen and went to Walter Reed. Since then he has tweeted that he has not had a stroke. Nope no stroke here and protests too much that he has not had a mini stroke. His family history is sad for his father and his brothers regarding cause of death (Alzhiemers, Alcoholism and A stroke) but his mom lived to 93. Donald is probably just top heavy and as a result wobbly.

Biden's mom is alive and over 100 last I heard.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 06:13 PM

I live in Massachusetts,
where the state primary is this very day.
There will be drama.
A Kennedy scion running against
Senator Ed Markey,
whose background is that he was a US Representative for a long time.
Darned if I know who will defeat whom.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 02:43 PM

A Facebook investigation shows that Russian controled sites are targeting Americans to go to fake left wing websites. I do not facebook so I don't know what they say.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 01:31 PM

In some ways. We've got the NHS, which is big thing. But the death rate from Covid 19 relative to population is actually still a bit ahead of that in the USA, though it won't be long before you are way ahead at the rate you are going.

And Boris Johnson isn't quire as outright evil as Donald Trump, but he's still a lazy and incompetent clown.

But at least nobody sees not wearing a mask as a political statement or a patriotic gesture. It may have helped that Boris Johnson, after boasting about shaking the hands of everyone when he visited at hospital, came down with Covid and very nearly died. It's a great pity that the same didn't happen to Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 06:51 AM

Yes the UK has much to cheer about

in comparison


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 06:46 AM

To cheer us up a little maybe, here's this elegant lyric from Australia
Which has a rather similar chorus

And here is another version of the same ditty.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 06:39 AM

Rather than civil war, it looks more lie state provocation towards a race war - as if the white supremacists are going beyond reversing what Obama achieved back to trying to rkeverse the social progression since the civil rights unrest. Trouble is it seems to be spreading over here. All it takes is insidious rhetoric by governments - eg May's 'Hostile Environment' to stir up race hate.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 06:02 AM

The western and mid western right wing militias are now in competition with each other. Some ride in pick up truck beds shooting mace and paintball guns into demonstrators. Some show up with live ammo. They are defending themselves and Trump, their excuser and chief.
Escalation will culminate in intensifying a fear of going to the polls.
They are correct in assuming they have most police on their side.
The use of the term civil war is discouraged and it is said that we are a country at war with itself. More blood will be shed as the election draws closer and Trump throws more troops into Portland and Chicago. It won't be as bad as you think but it could make Trump President for four more years as more nazi like folk heros are created and memorialized while ignoring the dead mad crazy democrats and blacks. At least stratigists like Steve Miller, McConnel, Bannon and Trump hope so.

Yesterday I watched from my parked car as a policeman in a cruiser detained an apparant vagrant and homeless black man and called for back up of two more police vehicles. There was no search or abuse but there was the appearance and fear by the police. Even a firetruck showed up but soon left the scene. It feels like things are on a hair trigger. Perhaps you didn't know the police can now call paramedics to administer 500 mg of Ketamine to suspects. It will be fatal to small people but only render larger people unconscious.
Things are moving just slow enough that Americans are getting used to it. It remains that Trump is the only one calling balls and strikes be it about violence or the pandemic.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 01:40 AM

Thanks Kevin. I was attracted to folk music back in the Protest days, and I reckon that’s as good a Protest Song as any I’ve heard.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 09:59 PM

And thank you for that link, Backwoodsman. Very concise, eloquent and timely. And a real Mindworm!

Here's another link, with the words, which might be handy. All together then...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 06:57 PM

That caravan of pro-Trump paramilitaries driiving in to Portland looked like a terrifying development, with so many parallels from other times and places. The TV pictures looked for all the world like the kind of thing we've seen in the early stages of Civil Wars.

What do we call them? Trumpshirts maybe?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 05:14 PM

By satire I meant a rolling 'My voting buddy' combo chair kitchen bathroom designed to last hours in a slow pandemic voting line.
It comes up your armpits and has a HEPA filter air supply and mask.
It comes in red blue or purple.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 01:21 PM

Amy Rigby and Wreckless Eric have the right idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 11:02 AM

Trump doesn't care how anything he does looks, he just does what he thinks can mess up the opposition and get him another four years in office. At first it seemed like he was surprised at being elected and didn't want to stay, odds were he would resign in the early days. But once he got the hang of shoveling cash directly into his enterprise and doing things that make certain people praise him, he ignores the rest of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 10:44 AM

Not sure if that would make Trump look very good in the eyes of the world media if he refused to condemn such an action is his favour, especially if this happens in pro-Democrat voting neighbourhoods in states that narrowly voted for Trump. Hard to see how he could spin that in his favour.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 09:46 AM

Mwah!

Meanwhile I am actually starting to worry about armed white supremacist Americans and this November.

But my anxiety remains in check.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 08:06 AM


In UK, anyone is allowed to vote who is in the queue for the polling station, as long as they join the queue before the polls close. In theory, if a very large number of voters turned up in the last few minutes, the voting could go on late into the night, and having been counting agent (scrutinising the count on behalf of the political [party I belong to) it is tiring and painful on the feet for the four-five hours it normally takes without having a couple hour extra added waiting for the late boxes to arrive.

With regards to your advice regarding queuing for hours, would an empty bottle be advised - sorry about lowering the tone of the conversation!!!

Look forward to hearing you again tonight. You are a superb story teller.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 07:10 AM

Trump rationalizes that Congress can not be trusted because they leak and use video of the harrassed members of his administration by Democrats questioning his loyalists face to face.
He will still provide tweets or post it notes to Congress.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 11:28 PM

"The Office of the Director of National Intelligence has informed us that it will no longer provide briefings to Members of Congress, including the House and Senate Intelligence committees, on foreign efforts to interfere in our upcoming election. This is a shocking abdication of its lawful responsibility to keep the Congress currently informed, and a betrayal of the public’s right to know how foreign powers are trying to subvert our democracy. This intelligence belongs to the American people, not the agencies which are its custodian. And the American people have both the right and the need to know that another nation, Russia, is trying to help decide who their president should be."

Politicus USA (if you look at the bottom of the firewall popup there is a small line that says "continue w/o supporting this time" to click on and expose the article.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 09:15 PM

What I meant was that with enough local polling stations and enough voting booths in them there needn't be long lines, even with a high vote and long voting slips. The only reason for long lines is not enough polling stations and voting booth. It only makes sense if you're trying to reduce the number voting.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Aug 20 - 10:21 AM

The number of *potential* voters doesn't change, but *actual* voting declines with long lines. For starters, polls close at a certain time, not when everyone in line has voted.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 08:53 PM

Are there a lot fewer polling stations in the States than there are here in England? Where I live we had a turnout of 64% last time, and no queuing at all so far as I could see. I know you have a much more complicated set of votes than we ever do, but that would just need a few more voting booths than the two we've got in our local school. The number of potential voters doesn't increase even if it takes longer for each one to vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 03:05 PM

Mine wasn't satire. I am reading those recommendations. I just added the advice about peeing.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 20 - 05:10 AM

There is room for satire regarding election suppression tactics and long lines but be prepared to be attacked for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 11:20 PM

Mrrzy: Take no chances. Stay hydrated and bring a "stadium pal"!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 05:09 PM

Advice includes bring a chair, a picnic, comfy shoes. Anticipate loooong lines, in other words. They say bring water too but then you'll have to pee...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 09:32 AM

It's a special case this year, which requires and justifies postal votes - but generally I don't like the idea much. Going along to stick your vote in a box in a polling station set up in a school or a pub seems a pleasant ritual.. (As for voting machines...)


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