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Frank Petersohn (what does ingeb mean?)

keberoxu 10 Sep 19 - 04:08 PM
Reinhard 10 Sep 19 - 06:14 PM
GUEST,keberoxu 11 Sep 19 - 12:40 PM
keberoxu 11 Sep 19 - 02:32 PM
leeneia 13 Sep 19 - 12:14 PM
GUEST,Grishka 14 Sep 19 - 05:57 AM
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Subject: Frank Petersohn (what does ingeb mean?)
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 04:08 PM

I'm pretty new to the Mudcat, as many of you know.

You oldtimers are well acquainted with the work of
Frank Petersohn (1941 - 2009)
whose ambitions included
the creation of
"the largest online folksong database," at his site
ingeb dot org.

What does "ingeb" mean anyhow?


The ambition in quotes preceding, by the way, is a direct quote
from the obituary that was published in The Globe and Mail,
and reproduced at Petersohn's legacy-dot-com page.

Actually I'm surprised that Mr. Petersohn
didn't rate an Obit thread,
but that was ten years ago anyway.


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Subject: RE: Frank Petersohn (what does ingeb mean?)
From: Reinhard
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 06:14 PM

Ingeborg is a German female name.


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Subject: RE: Frank Petersohn (what does ingeb mean?)
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 12:40 PM

Which leads to the next question,
thanks very much:

was there an
"Ingeborg"
in Frank Petersohn's life?


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Subject: RE: Frank Petersohn (what does ingeb mean?)
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 02:32 PM

Well, I just made a quick-and-dirty attempt to answer my own question
from the previous post,
naturally with a GOOGLE search.

Still don't have an answer,
but I did find something really amusing.

This comes from a German website, and was written
before Petersohn's death;
the Google search permits me to use Google Translate so as to understand
what the German-language comment actually says.

Here's the original German.
Hubert Feyerabend's opinion of Frank Petersohn's webpages


rough English translation:
Well, about the website "www dot ingeb dot org" I would rather not submit the address without my own comments.
It is the work of Frank Petersohn, an American of German origin.
He collects the lyrics of German folk songs, of which
he displays some several thousands.
It's really a treasure trove already.

Leider -- unfortunately -- his definition of "Volkslied"
is anything that is older than he is
(about sixty years of age)
that eventually was sung and passed on by the people
(im Volk gesungen wurde).

Included in [Petersohn's] collection, unfortunately, is
a great load of weird stuff
(eine Menge schräges Zeug)
dating between 1933 and 1945.

[Aha, National Sozialismus ...]

From experience, little would result from
sending letters of protest to Mr. Petersohn;
so one should carefully avoid this crap (diesen Mist).
That is the only way to avoid surprises (Überraschungen).
Otherwise, click here on 'ingeb dot org' !


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Subject: RE: Frank Petersohn (what does ingeb mean?)
From: leeneia
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 12:14 PM

I've collected a number of fine pieces from Frank's site. I'm grateful to him and sorry to hear he is dead. Not being conversant with Nazi filk, I never noticed its presence.

I wonder how many of the several thousands of songs Frank collected offend that writer. I wonder if Frank even knew the history of the songs.

I think this is a case of an entitled, disgruntled critic saying, "You did me a great favor, but you didn't do it perfectly!"


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Subject: RE: Frank Petersohn (what does ingeb mean?)
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 05:57 AM

Many songs from many countries and times convey questionable ideology, and many more songs have been (ab)used in such contexts, with or without the authors' consent. Always be careful what you sing or approve of in public, but censorship of Internet sources would not be the right answer even if it were possible.

ingeb.org is relatively reliable source, with no visible ideological agenda of its own (as opposed to deutscheslied.com), though not on the high scholarly level sometimes asked for by Mudcatters. Well, the Mudcat's own "DT" is not the pure Philosophers' Stone either, but much better than nothing. Our thanks are due to all such collectors.

Websites run by university scholars exist in many languages, but inevitably with much smaller databases.


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