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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 01:21 PM

We seem to have mislaid one of little jimmies posts, so why leave my response hanging? be more sensible to delete both.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 12:22 PM

OR HERE
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 12:18 PM

THE ANSWER LIES HERE
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 11:06 AM

What an outstandingly ridiculous assertion!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 10:41 AM

To fail - which of course it was
Obvious to those who have an answer and don't have to hide behind typos, of course
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 10:02 AM

The Junta has just announced that they have recieved a letter from Tuske saying thatt Johnson's deal was designed not to fail from the beginning

What a bizarre post. Can anyone understand what the laddie is on about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 08:33 AM

The Junta has just announced that they have recieved a letter from Tuske saying thatt Johnson's deal was designed not to fail from the beginning
Johnson's lap dog has confirmed the truth of that by announcing they will breach parliamentary democracy and crash out at the end of the month
The next step will quite likely to be accompained my the sound of Jackboots kicjg down the front doors of anybody who gets in their way led by the unelected Dominic Cummings
Jim carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 06:43 AM

Hot off the press:
“Merkel said that if Germany wanted to leave the EU they could do it no problem but the UK cannot leave without leaving Northern Ireland behind in the customs union and in full alignment forever.

“She said that Ireland is the government’s special problem and Ireland must at least have a veto on Northern Ireland leaving.

“Merkel said that the Prime Minister should tell northern Ireland that it must stay in full alignment forever, but that even this would not eliminate customs issues.

“It was a very useful clarifying moment in all sorts of ways. If this represents a new established position, then it means a deal is essentially impossible, not just now but for ever.


The last time Germany annexed territory it all ended rather badly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Oct 19 - 06:09 AM

******* BRILLIANT !
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Oct 19 - 05:05 AM

Johnson to the Queenie "Sack me if you dare"
I wonder hos the Royal bum-kissers will react to that open act of 'treason'
Perhaps our resident flag-waggers might emlighten us
DAMNED TRAITOR - I SAY!!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 06 Oct 19 - 03:47 AM

Proverbs 17:28.
or to put it in the vernacular so even the 'challenged' can understand:

Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.

I fail to see why you insist on constantly polluting these brexit threads.
You are now disenfranchised in the UK so your opinions are as meaningless as your vote.
You are simply here as a troublemaker and troll.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 03:06 PM

Dave !!!

Just having fun prodding our pet moron while you all were off somewhere else
Can't let me out of your sight for a minute, can you :-)
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 01:05 PM

Jim!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 12:31 PM

The only intelligent response to idiocy is to mock. Intelligent debate requires a certain degree of intelligence to initiate it. Do you see a problem here?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 10:53 AM

And our resident moron displaying his inability to respond intelligently
Game, set and match - again
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 10:44 AM

Your inability to control your bodily functions extends to your being unable to quote in context
Little jimmy displaying his idiocy again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 09:02 AM

Full quote
HERE’S WHAT MAKES A FIGURE LIKE TRUMP A TEXT-BOOK POPULIST:
division of society into two camps, “the people” and “the elites”"

Your inability to control your bodily functions extends to your being unable to quote in context
This lapse into discussion with a self-imposed self-declared ignoramus Trump is over
Had my fun for the week


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 08:49 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 07:48 AM
division of society into two camps, “the people” and “the elites”

I assume by putting up a link containing the above you fully support the elite telling you what to do.
   The commie force is strong with you.

I prefer democracy. The shenanigans around Brexit demonstrate beyond all doubt that the elite is trying to deny us of it.

Very kind of you to put up a link to demonstrate it so clearly!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 07:48 AM

BRILLIANT THUMBNAIL ANALYSIS OF POPULISM
HOW IT APPLIES TO BREXIT
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 06:09 AM

Rather than distorted out of context quotes -
TRY HERE
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 05:10 AM

The master plan is working well. Parliament is being shown to be in defiance of the people.

Well exemplified by the fear they have of an Election.

I seem to remember reading that the EU can only deal with the government in Brexit negotiations.

This creates an air of uncertainty around the Benn bill.
It was driven through by an unaccountable rabble.
This coupled with the antics of the gloating hag of the supreme court
has destroyed confidence in the role of parliament, the speaker, and now the judiciary.
If brexit is not delivered Britain will be changed very rapidly as our basic institutions no longer attempt to represent democracy. 17.4 million will not be thwarted.

“Protest beyond the law is not a departure from democracy; it is absolutely essential to it.”
? Howard Zinn


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Oct 19 - 02:36 AM

”That little ferret wouldn’t know truth if it bit him on the arse.”

Of course, I meant weasel. Apologies to any ferrets who may have felt insulted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 19 - 04:00 PM

That little ferret wouldn’t know truth if it bit him on the arse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Oct 19 - 03:48 PM

Cummings accused of lying. Again.

Why does this not surprise me?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 09:21 AM

WILL DO - HOW ABOUT THIS ?
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 04:38 AM

A rather odd fact is that Cummings has lived and worked in Russia and loves the place obsessively. And he thought that Iain Duncan-Smith was totally incompetent and that David Davis was lazy as hell and "as thick as mince." :-)

"Thick as mince." Heheh. I'll be using that one...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 12:58 PM

It may be true, though, at one level. The referendum needed to convince people of a proposition. This just needs to assure people that of course they were right, which is simpler.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 12:56 PM

One day last week Cummings bragged that brexit would be a walk in the park compared with winning the 2016 referendum. The next day he pretended he'd never said it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 12:43 PM

It’s gone quiet because the Tories are all at their accursed annual mutual back-slapping exercise, The Conference, in Manchester.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 12:39 PM

And what about Dominic Cummings? Are you still discussing him? What is he saying this week?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 12:32 PM

Starkey is a snob of the worst kind - an apologist for all the worst aspects of British History
He's always reminder me of Reese Moog (or rather vise versa as I've been aware of Starkey far longer than we've been blessed with the presence of his alter ego
WORTH SKIPPING THROUGH THIS OVERLONG INTERVIEW FOR HIS CUT GLASS SNOBBERY
Awful-awful man to borrow his favourite phrase
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 12:19 PM

David Starkey sees everything through a fug of authoritarian, Victorian stiff right-wingism. I won't argue that he doesn't know his history, but in all other regards he is as mad as a box of frogs. And he's incredibly abusive and rude to boot. He argues by shouting you down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 11:41 AM

The link to a David Starkey interview is typical. Looking him up, here's a bit of information about him from Wikipedia:

    In August 2011, Starkey appeared as a guest on the BBC's Newsnight programme together with Owen Jones and Dreda Say Mitchell,[43] made during a discussion about the 2011 England riots. Starkey claimed that "the whites have become black", and that "a particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic, gangster culture has become the fashion".[44] The then-leader of the Labour Party, Ed Miliband, spoke about Starkey's remarks, saying "they are racist comments, frankly".[44] The author Toby Young, blogging in the Telegraph, defended Starkey by claiming that Starkey had been talking not about black culture in general.[45] Rod Liddle argued in support of the remarks.[46] Jones described the comments as "one of the ugliest episodes of the backlash",[47] claiming that "multiculturalism and ethnic groups have nothing to do with what happened".[48]

    Writing in The Daily Telegraph, Starkey argued his views had been distorted, he referred only to a "particular sort" of 'Black' culture, and that the "black educationalists" Tony Sewell and Katharine Birbalsingh supported the substance of his Newsnight comments.[nb 3][49] The broadcast regulator Ofcom said that Starkey's comments were part of "a serious and measured discussion", and took no action.[50]

    In a June 2012 debate, Starkey stated that a Rochdale sex trafficking gang had values "entrenched in the foothills of the Punjab or wherever it is", and was accused by his fellow panelist, writer Laurie Penny, of "playing xenophobia and national prejudice for laughs".[51]


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 11:32 AM

This is the original editorial:

LONDON — One of the rare occasions on which I’ve encountered Dominic Cummings, who may be the most important man in Britain right now, was at a private political dinner in 2016, just after the plan to hold a referendum on Britain’s membership in the European Union had been announced. Mr. Cummings, who a few years earlier had been a political adviser at the education ministry, had been invited to outline the argument that the Brexiteers would be making; a counterpart from the fledgling Remain campaign was there to present his.

The Remainer, a powerful, confident and well-connected man, went first. He presented a baffling, limited, sterile case: Britain had a thriving and critical car industry, which would see its profit margins wiped out by tariffs if Brexit went ahead.

Mr. Cummings, a spindly, socially diffident, unsmiling figure, spoke next. He was emphatic, evocative. He talked about pride, independence, nationhood, sovereignty, dignity, making our own laws and decisions.

I detested Brexit and all it stood for, but I was captivated. Mr. Cummings was making it sound like the noble path. I came home anxious and uneasy. Remainers were way ahead in the polls, but would they come up with something effective to combat the deep emotions that Mr. Cummings’s campaign was tapping into?

They never did. Mr. Cummings went on to drive Brexit, pushing it to a narrow victory against huge internal opposition, by focusing aggressively on what worked. He outwitted Britain’s establishment by combining a brilliantly simple slogan — “Take back control” — with shameless lies about the European Union, the National Health Service and the danger that Turks could soon emigrate to Britain en masse, all backed up by a huge and hidden microtargeted social media campaign. Every element was designed to have a powerful, visceral appeal.

Mr. Cummings proved that stories and lies, allied to strategic cunning, conviction, secrecy, ruthlessness and upending convention, could be much more appealing than reason and fact. Years of studying and writing obsessively about the art of strategy, the failings of most institutions and the success of revolutionary thinkers like Otto von Bismarck had paid off.

Now this single-minded insurgent is the most powerful individual in the British government, vaulted into Downing Street as Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s chief strategic adviser. His job is to deliver Brexit and win Mr. Johnson five years more in office, making up for the prime minister’s deficiencies as a lazy, inattentive bumbler. Mr. Cummings is deploying all the techniques that have worked for him before: disruption, deception, intimidation and an implacable willingness to alienate people.

Those tactics have gone off in British politics this week like a series of grenades. No prime minister has had a more calamitous start. These are the opening battles of a seismic political war. Within five days, Mr. Johnson has lost control of Parliament, lost his party’s majority, lost his ability to leave the European Union at the end of October without a deal, as he has pledged, and lost the loyalty of many moderates in his Conservative Party by brutally expelling the 21 principled, thoughtful, experienced and respected members of Parliament who had opposed his plans to catapult Britain out of Europe without a deal.

Mr. Cummings’s decisions have left Mr. Johnson dangling at the mercy of the opposition parties. He can’t pass any laws, and the opposition now has the power to make the crucial political decision: the date of the next election.

These convulsions have caused uproar in the Conservative Party’s ranks. The former prime minister John Major is demanding Mr. Cummings’s sacking, saying he’s a “political anarchist” who must be ousted before he poisons the government “beyond repair.” Incensed and appalled members of Parliament are watching their party morph before their eyes into a hard-line vehicle for the most intransigent, right-wing Brexiteers, in which centrists and Remainers are welcome so long as they shut up and do as they are told. A senior party figure told me, with classic English understatement, that this is “a ghastly mess.” “I’m not sure that Boris read the small print of the Cummings plan — this is the ultimate proof that one is a charlatan and the other a psychopath,” he said.

This looks like a catastrophe for Mr. Johnson. But the story may not be so simple. Mr. Cummings deliberately framed and precipitated the confrontation with Parliament, intending to lose the vote so that Mr. Johnson could instantly call an election as the people’s champion, the deliverer of Brexit, the supporter of no deal. He didn’t expect so many Tories to revolt or the opposition to derail his timetable for an election, but Mr. Cummings, who considers himself a master strategist, sees these as little more than skirmishes before the real fight.

He is unmoved by the indignation, the denunciations, the many enemies his contemptuous, bullying behavior has made. He calculates that pro-Brexit voters far from the financial and political elite in London will see the prime minister’s ruthlessness as proof he’s on their side against obstructive metropolitan Remainers. He believes his strategy, to win an election this autumn by making nakedly populist pledges and stealing votes from the insurgent, radical Brexit Party’s votes, can still work.

Yet one of the weakest links in this plan is the character of the leader, the man whom Mr. Cummings is using as the vehicle for his destructive strategy. If Mr. Cummings’s plan is to divide the Conservative Party from the inside out, Boris Johnson is his co-conspirator as his careless, indolent host. But the person who has been left utterly shellshocked by events is Mr. Johnson himself.

Where Mr. Cummings is a steely ideologue, Mr. Johnson doesn’t enjoy conflict; he wants power accompanied by endless applause. He never expected to have to expel senior members of his party; he expected them to be won over by his charm. He was humiliated by the scorn heaped on him in Parliament on Tuesday, where he was nervous and out of his depth. On Thursday came the most damning condemnation: His brother Jo Johnson, a moderate, resigned from the government, accusing Boris of damaging the national interest.

This was such a blow that sources close to the prime minister tell me that he cried when he heard the news. The speech he gave a couple of hours later, originally planned as the kickoff of an election campaign, was a delayed, confused and extraordinarily rambling mess. The qualities that Tory members were hoping for when they gave him the leadership — charisma, confidence, wit and sunny optimism — have been dangerously absent.

Mr. Cummings now faces a fight to keep Mr. Johnson on form and on track in the face of tremendous blowback from an outraged party. But he’s still the master; he calculates that Mr. Johnson can’t afford to lose him now that he has cut so many of his old allies out. Whether Mr. Johnson is heading for either triumph or disaster isn’t up to Mr. Johnson. His course is being set by Dominic Cummings.


Are you still talking about it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 11:29 AM

Brilliant! And so utterly, utterly true...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 11:22 AM

Labour never changes!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buw_YhtbFFQ


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 09:01 AM

CHAMPION OF WOMEN'S RIGHT-WHAT A JOKE
NO JOKE TO THIS LONG-FORGOTTEN LADY THOUGH !!
Jim Caarroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 08:23 AM

Time to point oyur that Boris is now trying to sidestep accusations that he groped a woman journalist
He gets more like his brother in roving hands Trump every day
Lock up your women "Boris's here" to quote a memorable film poster
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 07:28 AM

I do like the continuous stream of ad hominem attacks on the Tory Leader by remainiacs

Time to remind people how many times Corbyn has lied about brexit.
Time to remind them how many times he refused a General Election, despite bleating about the need for one continuously for 2 years.
Time to remind them of the incongruity of accusing Boris of arranging a coup while arranging one themselves.
Time to remind them that the labeling of the Government as scum, fasciss etc. etc. really should be attached to Labour and the treacherous remainer MPs.
The complete illegality of the remainer position can be illustrated beyond any kind of counter argument by the following:

The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that the will of the people, as expressed through periodic and genuine elections, shall be the basis of government authority.

If so convinced as to the righteousness of your cause why are you so scared to give it the stamp of legitimacy by holding an election?
Your refusal is a hijack of democracy in defiance of the clearly stated will of the people.
Inevitably an Election will come, and the longer it is delayed the more the remainer MPs will be shredded.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 03:11 PM

And, in mentioning the DA, the Quiff, and the obvious comb-over, I forgot to mention the Mullet. And the fake tan and white rings around the eyes....


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 02:18 PM

For anyone over the pond scratching their head over the political impasse in the UK the clip below gives a very accurate summary


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxV6SvQHc0


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 11:39 AM

”I wonder why he has started combing his hair since becoming P.M.?”

I wonder how long it will be before he has a DA and Elvis quiff......along with a bad comb-over?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: mayomick
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 11:24 AM

Is there any significance in the fact that Brexit supporter Trump is pictured today wearing a Make England Great Again baseball cap - not one with Make Britain Great Again on it ?A mega acronym but Boris couldn't get away with wearing such a slight to the Welsh ,Scots and northern Irish.

I wonder why he has started combing his hair since becoming P.M.?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 05:39 AM

For those who prefer their facts unadorned, yertis:

From wiki.

The legislation was introduced to the House of Commons by Labour MP Hilary Benn as the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill on the following day. The Government made clear its opposition to the bill from the beginning, and said that, were it to pass through the House of Commons, the Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, would immediately bring forward a motion under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act for a general election. The bill passed Second Reading by 329 votes to 300.The bill was amended once at the committee stage, by a Stephen Kinnock amendment that would allow the Withdrawal Agreement to be discussed again, which passed as there were not any ‘no’ tellers provided for the division. The bill passed its third reading on the same day, by 327 votes to 299.

The bill then moved to the House of Lords on the same day, and there were suggestions that the bill could be filibustered; unlike in the House of Commons, the House of Lords typically does not restrict the content of debates. The Shadow Leader of the House of Lords, Baroness Angela Smith, tabled a guillotine motion that would allow the bill to clear the Lords by 5pm on Friday 6 September; Conservative peers tabled 102 amendments to the guillotine motion in an attempt to prioritise other parliamentary business over the bill. By 1:30am on 5 September, the Government announced it would discontinue the filibuster and allow the bill to return to the House of Commons, if amended by the House of Lords, for the 9 September sitting.The bill passed Second Reading without a division on 5 September, and passed the Committee, Report, and Third Reading stages unamended on 6 September. The bill received Royal Assent and became law on 9 September 2019, several hours before Parliament was suspended.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 05:28 AM

"I notice in The Andrew Marr Show that the Prime Minister has switched to referring to 'the surrender act', "
Yup - imagination and originality never was one of our pet troll's strong points
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 04:54 AM

I notice in The Andrew Marr Show that the Prime Minister has switched to referring to 'the surrender act', and therefore understands perfectly well it refers to the one introduced by Benn et al.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 04:43 AM

FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IN BRITISH POLITICS
MORE
MUCH, MUCH MORE
FOREIGN INTREFERENCE AFTER PM FOUND GUILT OF SILENCING PARLIAMENT

I should have thought Guido is far too busy preparing to talk office as Britain's Culture Minister in Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage's new Government
Sorry lads, too good an opportunity to miss
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 04:17 AM

There is some framing going on with talk of 'the surrender bill' beyond the more obvious one in the term 'surrender'. To be clear:

A Bill is not an Act of Parliament. A Bill becomes an Act if it is approved by the House of Commons and the House of Lords, and is formally agreed to by the reigning monarch (known as the Royal Assent). An Act of Parliament is a law, enforced in all areas of the UK where it is applicable. (www.parliament.uk)


The difference is that a bill is a proposed law that has not been passed yet, and a law has been passed as an Act.

So it is no longer 'a bill'. It is an act of Parliament. But calling it 'a bill' is intended to avoid drawing attention to the fact it is now law, and to go against it is to break the law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 04:04 AM

I think leaving on october 31without a deal puts the uk in a weak bargaining position with other trading nations.
Winston Churchill was not a successful peace leader he was someone who managed to win a war with the help of some friends, particularly stalin and the usa,and some help from hitler who made the same mistake as napoleon, fighting on two fronts ,he was lucky, hitler was a poorer war leader than him ,that does not make him a good war leader, he was quite good at speeches and had some good speech writers but tactically he made at least one serious miscalculation


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 04:00 AM

Interesting articles in some of the papers today about remainer MPs colluding with foreign powers to frustrate Brexit. Maybe Boris should throw them in the tower while the claims are investigated.

Seems a Prima facie case of treason to me.
Treason:adhering to the sovereign's enemies, giving them aid and comfort, in the realm or elsewhere

They are also in breach of UN law by refusing to honour the outcome of the referendum,
(I did explain at great length how this was so but some kind soul deleted it- The truth must obviously hurt!)

It will be an education to see what guido fawkes makes of it all


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