MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 09:31 PM

Welcome, Noodles. I'm in Pocatello,ID. You have found the Annex to MOAB -- not Utah's MOAB, but the Mother Of All BS threads. Perhaps Stilly (our very own moderator) can make you a link to the original MOAB -- something better than 50,000 posts. Stilly has deep roots in the Seattle scene, even though now she lives in Texas.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: noodles_incident
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 08:07 PM

Hi all! I just joined and figured I'd introduce myself, though the only introduction thread I could find was last used in 2009, so for lack of a better place...

You can call me Allen or Noodles, I'm fairly new to the folk scene (been listening to and enjoying the music since I was a little grub, but just recently making forays into the wider community) -- I figured I spent enough time on here digging up lyrics and song origins and suchlike that it'd be worth making an account and talking to all you cool folks!

I'm most into union songs & work songs, and the intersections of labor/protest history and music history, as well as songs about historical events (even heavily fictionalized ones). I've also lived in Seattle my whole life and go ham for anything dealing with boats and the sea.

Really excited to be here!

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 09:46 AM

C11H15NO2 + (1 hour later) C12H16N2 - any monoamine inhibitors = cure for trump syndrome

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 09:12 PM

Only if it's brewed in the toilet.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 08:38 PM

Is Sparkling Pineapple wine any good?

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 06:01 PM

I see your C₂H₆O and raise my single malt Scotch in salute (though lately I've switched to a nice 12-year-old blended Scotch that's pretty good).

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 21 - 06:45 PM

Yep the pandemic and bar closures cleaned him up real good.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jan 21 - 06:04 PM

Was this Shane McBride of Blind River, Ontario??

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 21 - 10:58 AM

It was time for Shane's audition. Sirely he was nervous, but this was his shot at becoming famous. He was a talented musician and singer. The audition was his chance to play at a well known nightclub Shooting Star in Los Angeles.

His wish was to produce his own album, but he needed this job to help him make the money to do it. Shane's type of music was unique. His music was a combination of pop and hip-hop music with an Irish twist. He had been born in Ireland and his family moved to the United States when he was very young.

Shane had practiced for many hours for his audition. He had polished and perfected the shitty songs he would play for the nightclub owners.

He stood in front of the owners with his guitar in hand. He began to play. His songs were shaping up nicely and the owners seemed to like it. Everything was going smoothly, when all of a sudden...Crash! A shower of glass flew past him.

A large stage light had fallen and shattered on the stage he was auditioning on. For most people this would have been a huge shining distraction, but this was Shane's moment to shine. He kept playing and didn't miss a beat.

After finishing his songs, the owners gave him a standing ovation.
Even drunk patrons gave him a shtanding ovation. They loved Shane's songs so much, they thought he planned for the light to crash during his song. Shane assured them that he had not planned it.

The owners offered him the job. "Yes!" Shane said. He started that Saturday and couldn't wait to shine at the Shooting Shtar club.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 09:08 PM

C₂H₆O.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 09:06 PM

The doppler ultrasound showed good blood flow in the carotid arteries (both right and left). They said I can do whatever I feel up doing, within reason. My speech, especially with S-sounds, remains a trifle problematic but I have a speech therapist and we're working on it. Saying something like, "Sue sold Susie a slew of slaw" would be come out as, "Shoe shold Shushie a shlew of shlaw" -- or at least that's what I hear and others say my speech is fine. That is why I'm not speaking at the Inauguration next week.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 06:56 PM

The average fundamental vibration of the universe is a very deep B flat and the averaged visible light spectrum of the universe is beige.

With different alien senses it would probably be a different color.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 05:38 PM

The important thing is that
Rapparee is still checking in,
so that ultrasound ordeal must be hopefully past.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 02:03 PM

I found a number of diamonds beneath the ping pong table where people had hit their rings on the edge while playing and dislodged their setting. The true gem is far beneath.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 12:55 PM

I couldn't remember what NYCFTTS stood for and when I Googled it the top result were a bunch of Mudcat threads. :-/

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 08:30 PM

He can always check in to the NYCFTTS.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 07:44 PM

I think the political miasma has sucked all of the normal BS energy out of the atmosphere. We'll just bid our time till the Trump methane cloud gets hit by a spark. Be prepared to duck when that happens.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 12:33 PM

5 in a row is a record.

Betelgeuse farted! toward bottom of page

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 11:57 AM

dark matter black holes?
well its my guess anyway

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:04 AM

One of two Space X's Dragon cargo ships were docked with theISSalong with with three Sovus space craft early this year. To make room for another cargo ship they brought one home.One isway back the astronauts heard an impact behind them. Finding no apparent damage they continued to proceed through the atmospere. A difficulty trimming the ship in the lower entry orbit caused only a momentary concern.

Back on Earth a diagnostic was done and it was discovered part of the main engine exhaust cone was dented and feeder pipes had a residue and damage apparent. After 2 days it was determined that at least 22 kilos of frozen poop from the ISS had impacted the rear of the ship.

Missions in the future will take these discharges into account to safely have emmission orbits decay and burn up in the atmoshere.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 12:52 PM

The backatcha reflecto metal made of nickel tungston selenium and propriatory elements delivers inertia back at 90%
Its unique double punch some say defies conservation of energy.

When Ford made a pick up truck with a backatcha unibody it totaled Toyota, Dodge and Chevy Trucks while it sustained only broken headlights.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 09:34 AM

Horatio the fault is in ourselves not the galactic overlords.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 08:46 AM

Here is an action photo of the Idaho Legion's nifty keen Backatcha Mechanism in action! When the GO's forces attacked yesterday and tried to Destructoray Washingon, DC the Legion's Space Corps sprung into action, launched the new Mark XXXIV Scout ship, and reflected the Destructoray back at the Galactic Overlord's Super Cruiser. The day was saved!

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 11:25 PM

trump theme
"killing me softly, with his saw"

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 11:20 PM

uk version

There was a young fellow named Buck
Whose thing was exceedingly Fucked.
So fast was his action
The Fitzgerald contraction
made his pepee almost get stuck

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 08:34 PM

Mother MOAB! You get yourself up where you belong, and don't give me any of your sass!

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 09:34 PM

There was a young fellow named Fisk
Whose fencing was exceedingly brisk.
So fast was his action
The Fitzgerald contraction
Turned his epee to a disk

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 07:41 PM

One more impossible thing.

In my thirties I found myself beneath a Bodhi tree meditating.
I was inside a complicated life thinking simple thoughts.
Now in my den I am in a simple life thinking complicated thoughts.
Between conscious innerspace and cosmic space I forsee a changed Earthly society despite the reptillian ignorance of the liars. By their camoflage you will see them. By their lies you will know them.

This winter beside a stair step stream, an icicle from an over hanging branch traced a wide spiral dripping as it grew like a spring. It is a mystery to me like myself. Why is it here, how did it form? The small mystery humbled my complicated questions. There has to be an explanation. There is only one explanation. Its just one more impossible thing I've seen in my life. One of them is you.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 04:44 PM

I just want to know why the transformation of maximally entangled states under the action of Lorentz transformations in a fully relativistic setting can not be used as FTL messeging when entanglement is optimal? By explicit calculation of the Wigner rotation, we can describe the relativistic analog of the Bell states as viewed from two inertial frames moving with constant velocity with respect to each other. Though the finite dimensional matrices describing the Lorentz transformations are non-unitary, each single particle state of the entangled pair undergoes an effective, momentum dependent, local unitary rotation, thereby preserving the entanglement fidelity of the bipartite state. The details of how these unitary transformations are manifested are explicitly worked out for the Bell states comprised of massive spin 1/2 particles and massless photon polarizations.

SETI might be barking up the wrong cosmic tree with the eletrodynamic spectrum of radio waves when entangled receivers are at work and can never be hacked or deciphered.

Well I kinda know why FTL entanglement communication doesn't work but the answer still pisses me off. Whadu I hafta do, use neutrinos instead of electrons.....EUREKA

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 01:53 PM

Pages can turn backwards in time but 'you' can't.

Antimatter is in every precise meaningful sense matter moving backward in time. The notion of "moving backward in time" is nonsensical in a Hamiltonian formulation, because the whole description can only go forward in time. That's the definition of what the Hamiltonian does--- it takes you forward in time a little bit. So if you formulate quantum mechanics the Hamiltonian way, this idea is difficult to understand (still it can be done--- Stueckelberg discovered this connection before the path integral, when field Hamiltonians were the only tool).

But in Feynman's particle path-integral picture, when you parametrize particles by their worldline proper time, and you renounce a global causal picture in favor of particles splitting and joining, the particle trajectories are consistent with relativity, but only if the trajectories include back-in-time trajectories, where coordinate time ticks in the opposite sense to proper time.

Looked at in the Hamiltonian formalism, the coordinate time is the only notion of time. So those paths where the proper time ticks in the reverse direction look like a different type of particle, and these are the antiparticles.

Sometimes there is an identification, so that a particle is its own antiparticle.

Precise consequence: CPT theorem
The "C" operator changes all particles to antiparticles, the P operator reflects all spatial directions, and the T operator reflects all motions (and does so by doing complex conjugation). It is important to understand that T is an operator on physical states, it does not abstractly flip time, it concretely flips all momenta and angular momenta (a spinning disk is spinning the other way), so that things are going backwards. The parity operator flips all directions, but not angular momenta.

The CPT theorem says that any process involving matter happens exactly the same when done in reverse motion, in a mirror, to antimatter.

The CPT operator is never the identity, aside from the case of a real scalar field. CPT acting on an electron produces a positron state, for example. CPT acting on a photon produces a photon going in the same direction with opposite polarization (if P is chosen to reflect all spatial coordinate axes, this is a bad convention outside of 3+1 dimensions).

This theorem is proved by noting that a CPT operator corresponds to a rotation by 180 degrees in the Euclidean theory, as described on Wikipedia.

Precise consequence: crossing
Any amplitude involving particles A(k_1,k_2,...,k_n) is analytic in the incoming and outgoing momenta, aside from pole and cut singularities caused by producing intermediate states. In tree-level perturbation theory, these amplitudes are analytic except when creating physical particles, where you find poles. So the scattering amplitudes make sense for any complex value of the momenta, since going around poles is not a problem.

In terms of mandelstam variables for 2-2 scattering, s,t,u (s is the CM energy, t is the momentum transfer and u the other momentum transfer, to the other created particle), the amplitude is an analytic function of s and t. The regions where the particles are on the mass shell are given by mandelstam plot, and there are three different regions, corresponding to A+B goes to C+D , Cbar + B goes to Abar+ D, and A + Dbar goes to C+Bbar. These three regimes are described by the exact same function of s,t,u, in three disconnected regions.

In starker terms, if you start with pure particle scattering, and analyticaly continue the amplitudes with particles with incoming momentum k's (with positive energy) to negative k's, you find the amplitude for the antiparticle process. The antiparticle amplitude is uniquely determined by the analytic contination of the particle amplitude for the energy-momentum reversed.

This corresponds to taking the outgoing particle with positive energy and momentum, and flipping the energy and momentum to negative values, so that it goes out the other way with negative energy. If you identify the lines in Feynman diagrams with particle trajectories, this region of the amplitude gives the contribution of paths that go back in time.

So crossing is the other precise statement of "Antimatter is matter going back in time".

Causal pictures
The notion of going back in time is acausal, meaning it is excluded automatically in a Hamiltonian formulation. For this reason, it took a long time for this approach to be appreciated and accepted. Stueckelberg proposed this interpretation of antiparticles in the late 1930s, but Feynman's presentation made it stick.

In Feynman diagrams, the future is not determined from the past by stepping forward timestep by timestep, it is determined by tracing particle paths proper-time by proper-time. The diagram formalism therefore is philosophically very different from the Hamiltonian field theory formalism, so much so Feynman was somewhat disappointed that they were equivalent.

They are not as easily equivalent when you go to string theory, because string theory is an S-matrix theory formulated entirely in Feynman language, not in Hamiltonian language. The Hamiltonian formulation of strings requires a special slicing of space time, and even then, it is less clear and elegant than the Feynman formulation, which is just as acausal and strange. The strings backtrack in time just like particles do, since they reproduce point particles at infinite tension.

If you philosophically dislike acausal formalisms, you can say (in field theory) that the Hamiltonian formalism is fundamental, and that you believe in crossing and CPT, and then you don't have to talk about going back in time. Since crossing and CPT are the precise manifestations of the statement that antimatter is matter going back in time, you really aren't saying anything different, except philosophically. But the philosophy motivates crossing and CPT.

There is a maximum speed limit for causality and that sis the speed of light which is what the speed o ligh actually is. Jus sayin...

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 12:43 PM

"That Silver Haired Daddy Of Mine"

In a vine covered shack in the mountains
Bravely fighting the battle of time
There's a dear one who's weathered life's sorrow
It's that silver haired daddy of mine

If I could recall all the heartaches
Dear old Daddy, I've caused you to bear
If I could erase those lines from your face
And bring back the gold to your hair

If God would but grant me the power
Just to turn back the pages of time
I'd give all I own if I could but atone
To that silver haired daddy of mine.

I know it's too late, dear old daddy
To repay for the heartaches and care
But dear mother is waiting in heaven
Just to comfort and solace you there

If I could recall all the heartaches
Dear old daddy, I've caused you to bear
If I could erase those lines from your face
And bring back the gold to your hair

If God would but grant me the power
Just to turn back the pages of time
I'd give all I own if I could but atone
To that silver haired daddy of mine...

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 12:42 PM

I had a dear old mother,
And dearly she loved me
And when I was in trouble,
She took me on her knee.

One night as I lay sleeping,
Alone upon my bed
An angel came and whispered
And told me she was dead.

Next morning when I woke up
I found the words were true
My mother was in heaven
Above the sky so blue.

So obey your mother children
No matter big or small
For when you lose your mother
You lose the best of all...

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jan 21 - 08:21 PM

My Mother’s Rosary

It takes an old-time love song
To keep this old world young
Each heart must have a love song
Tho’ some are never sung
Some people worship money
The song of clinking gold
But mother’s song at twilight
Brings you right back to the fold

Chorus:
There’s an old-time melody, I heard long ago
Mother called it the Rosary
She sang it soft and low
Without any rhyme, without any prose
I even forget how the melody goes
But then baby fingers and ten baby toes
She’d watch them by the setting sun
And when her daily work was done
She’d count them each and every one
That was “My Mother’s Rosary”

One day we may be happy
Next day we may regret
Some things that we remember
We wish we could forget
Sometimes you may be lonely
In darkness you may roam
But mother’s song at twilight
Keeps telling you to go home.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 21 - 04:41 PM

edit

Old man Potter wanted to eat the tiny Baily Savings and Loan
Old man Walgreen devoured Rexall and Rite Aid it's told
Old man Sam ate Mom's and Pop's by the truckload
Now Wall mart-green will dispense vaccine
that got too warm and is way too old.
There's another hunger of the poor and cold
They've been down so long they wish death on everyone
Armageddonist vs anti armeggeddonist is the civil war to come
Race wars and Face wars have police on the run
Amid disease some forgot to have fun
I didn't notice the poet write his very last one.
Or the homeless eat the last palm oil nutrition free crumb.
The wealthy have their secret supply and can luxuriate in the sun
Only the newly dead are perfectly mum all except for a hiss
Earth has its revenge as thriving life is kissed
DNA has a trick to again and again
take the ultimate risk
that a mutation is
an adaptation

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of nAll BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 21 - 02:51 PM

Old man Potter wanted to eat the tiny Baily Savings and Loan
Old man Walgreen devoured Rexall and Rite Aid it's told
Old man Sam ate Mom's and Pop's by the truckload
Now Wall mart-green will dispense vaccine
that got too warm and is way too old.
There's another hunger of the poor and cold
They've been down so long they wish death upon everyone
Armageddonist vs anti armeggeddonist is the civil war to come
Race wanrs and Face wars have police on the run
Amid disease we forgot about having fun
I didn't notice the poet write his very last one.
Or the homeless eat the last palm oil nutrition free crumb.
The wealthy have their island and can still luxuriate in the sun

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Jan 21 - 01:03 PM

Rapparee has a valid point.
Idaho has become notorious for the, er, "eccentric" people.
But he's right --
in other places camouflage and concealment is the way to go,
but Idaho's reputation is that
the Armageddon freaks can let their freak flag fly free out there.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 21 - 10:47 AM

In the vaccination race Isreal is in the lead with 13% done and the US is just over 1%

Arkansas Has 20,000 doses but they lost the directions and no on was listening when it was explained.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 09:26 PM

It is estimated that we'll get ours in (roughly) mid-February. Of course, there are fewer people in Idaho that in Howard or Montgomery Counties, Maryland. There are NOT fewer nut jobs, they're just better camouflaged back East.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 10:50 AM

To have a vaccinated population we have to inoculate about a million people per day to be ready for NEXT Fall.

We are not even close because there is no national response to pandemic issues. It is left to the states and hospitals which are already overstretched with too many victims to respond to.

Operation 'Warp Speed' is delayed by the Trump adminisration who still have the parking brake on and can't move.

Human error, waste and theft are a given but this problem was ignored from the beggining.

How many are we vaccinating per day? I decline to be the bearer of this bad news.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 07:25 PM

Now it's only 1,615,068 seconds. And it's 2021. And Trump is pissed about so many things here's hoping he blows an aneurism soon and puts us out of our misery earlier. Different idiot in the Oval Office for a couple of weeks, but soon . . . very soon . . . Trump will face the courts for all of his dirty dealing for years. The floor show of 2021 will begin (though it will waste time and distract from important business, so we need to ration the amount of time we spend watching that dog and pony show.)

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 06:37 PM

No, but masks are required and so is social distancing. In this case, six parsecs.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 01:01 PM

I always suspected it was an even number. Peace is restored. This is not one of those odd cosmos afterall, you know, one with an odd god.

There is news, just now, that they are going to close the restaurant at the end of the universe.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 12:48 PM

Nonsense! I decide upon Life, the Universe, and Everything! And for your information, the last two digits of pi are (in decimal notation as used on Terra) 42.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 06:38 AM

All the world is a mothered BS thread and all the players upon the stage have fault within themselves. The fault is from the stars in violent gamma ray Nova storms. From chaos the threads of life in the most violent regions, must reproduce ferociously and often. Where calm, near imortality may reign. To burn twice as bright and hot or cool and still is the ancient response of life. We can not choose our region of birth. Feel fortunate if it is Earth.

cosmic pond

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 08:48 PM

Important Date? Nonsense! My birthday isn't for 44 days yet!

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 12:06 PM

2 million seconds...whimper

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 11:29 AM

Countdown to the most important date in our near future: the 46th president.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 06:40 AM

We tend to print all of the legends and lies and ignore the ugly truth.
The truth of our beauty is brief and the lifetime of lies is long.
The truth need not demand incontravertible proof.
Nor are all lies necessarily wrong.
It is because we are all mortal
That time is a locked portal.


see what i did there?

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 08:36 PM

Unless you're the one being lied about, and then, well, George Washington couldn't tell a lie and became the Father of His Country. Of course, that was a lie about him, and we owe it to him to tell the Truth about him. He wasn't the "Father of His Country", he had no biological children of his own (although he did adopt two from Martha's previous marriage). Unlike some Presidents (e.g., Warren Harding, FDR) he didn't keep a mistress in DC during his Presidency.

Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex]
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 11:13 AM

"To the living we owe respect, to the dead we owe the truth".
Voltaire

He got it wrong, the truth is wasted on the dead.