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Joe Offer 03 Aug 19 - 12:47 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 12:47 AM

So, Robert Rodriquez is looking for a song called "The Ballad of Jesuit Mont" (maybe mount), and he says it has to do with cannibalism. He heard in on an old LP. I think he said the singer was Jamie McNemenie, and the record label was Noctai. I got this request by voice mail, so I couldn't get clarification.
Anybody know of the song, the singer, or the record label?
I'm stumped.
Thanks.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 10:25 AM

Not what you're looking for but Hey - why miss a chance to knock a Jesuit! ...

Click here

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 10:28 AM

And another from the same source...

Click here

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 10:37 AM

Great stuff, Martin - but it doesn't have any cannibalism in it. so, back to the original question, does anybody know "Jesuit mont"?
But I do always enjoy a good digression.
Joe


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 10:51 AM

"Anybody know of the song, the singer, or the record label?" No to all three questions. Is the 'song' on new or old vinyl? (As in could it be some sort of 'death metal' rendering.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 12:48 PM

Jamie McMenemy recorded it with "Kornog", their first LP record.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 12:51 PM

I remember hearing the band play it at the Lorient festival in Britanny in 1986. Jamie introduced it in fluent French - he lived in Britanny for a good few years - as " une histoire assez horrible". I can't remember the whole story, but somebody ends up in a pie - that would be your "cannibalism". I may well have a recording of it somewhere, I don't know if "Kornog's" first recording ever made it onto CD. May be worth checking "iTunes".
Regards, Kenny


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 12:55 PM

Just looked - their version can be downloaded through "iTunes". Best of luck with getting the lyrics, though. Jamie has a strong Scottish accent, and it is sung quite fast. If you need help, get back to me and I'll do my best.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 01:36 PM

Shot in the dark here: is this it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr24SNn_xZM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 01:39 PM

Yes, that's it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 02:05 PM

(Mudcat hang on my first attempt to post this)

The title is Jesuitmont (one word!, though in my recording he pronounces it as Jesuitmount) and you can find a recording with lyrics on youtube: Kornog - Jesuitmont. There are some errors in the lyrics given there, so here's my transcription from the album Kornog - Premiere: Music From Brittany

Mick


JESUITMONT
(Jamie McMenemy / Traditional)

There lived a knight in Jesuitmont
A huntin' he did ride;
His footmen all attending him,
And his horsemen by his side.

And they found out in Jesuitmont
A pleasant sport to play;
His lady goes exceeding fine,
To hear the lasses pray.

  Instrumental

An' she's called on her daughter Anne,
To come tae her with speed;
to go and tell the master cook
To dress the dinner straight.

To go her message for to tell,
Young Annie feared nae ill;
She has gone to the master cook,
The message for to tell.

Ye maun dress the dow, the dow,
That fair and milk-white dow;
That in the parlour shines so fair,
There's nane so fair to show.

Here is a penknife in my hand,
To reive thee of thy life;
For thou'rt the dow that I maun dress
Unto your fathers wife.

  Instrumental

Up then spoke the kitchie boy,
An' he spoke loud an' high;
"Save, O save fair Annie's life,
An' bake me in your pie."

"No I'll not save fair Annie's life,
No not for such as thee, O;
And if thou divulge this lady's life,
Thy butcher I will be, O."

When day was done and night was come,
And they were all at dinner
He's called on his daughter Ann,
To come and carve his dinner.

Up he rose and away he goes,
An angry man was he, O;
"One bit o' meat I will not eat,
Till I fair Annie see, O."

  Instrumental

Up then spoke the kitchie boy,
An' he spoke loud an' high;
"An ye wad your fair Annie see,
Ye maun break up* the pie."    (*out?)

Her meat it was a' minced sma'
An' forced by the fire'.
An' curs-ed be her ill stepmother,
For it was her desire.

This knight he is all clad in black
For his Annie's sake;
An' he has caused the ill stepma
To be burnt at the stake.

An' he has caused the master cook,
In boilin' lead to stand;
And he has made the kitchie boy
The heir o' a' his land.

  Instrumental

Source: Kornog - Premiere: Music From Brittany


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 05:47 PM

Aw, gee, you guys are great!
What part of it is traditional, Mick? The lyrics?
Joe


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 06:43 PM

The lyrics are traditional Joe.

Child refers to them in a footnote to Lady Diamond (No.269):

Though perhaps absolutely the silliest ballad that ever was made, and very far from silly sooth, the broadside was traditionally propagated in Scotland without so much change as is usual in such cases: 'There lived a knight in Jesuitmont' Scotch Ballads Material for Border Minstrelsy, No 22e, Abbotsford ...(other refs - MCP).

The title here is The Lady Isabella's Tragedy. There's a 95 line version in Percy's Reliques. I haven't time now, but I'll dig up a digital copy to post tomorrow.


Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 06:44 PM

96 line version!.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 03 Aug 19 - 06:49 PM

Lady Isabella's Tragedy - Roud 3853 (41 entries)

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 05:42 AM

Here's a version of Lady Isabella's Tragedy from Pills that I have immediately to hand.

Mick


THE LADY ISABELLA'S TRAGEDY

THE LADY ISABELLA'S TRAGEDY: Or,
Step-Mother s Cruelty. To the foregoing
Tune.


THere was a Lord of worthy Fame,
And a Hunting he would ride,
Attended by a noble Train,
Of Gentry on each side.

And whilst he did in Chace remain,
To see both Sport and Play ;
His Lady went as she did feign,
Unto the Church to pray.

This Lord he had a Daughter Fair,
Whose Beauty shin'd so bright ;
She was belov'd both far and near,
Of many a Lord and Knight.

Fair Isabella was she call'd,
A Creature Fair was she ;
She was her Father's only Joy,
As you shall after see.

But yet her Cruel Step-Mother,
Did Envy her so much ;
That Day by Day she sought her Life,
Her Malice it was such.

She bargain'd with the Master-Cook,
To take her Life away ;
And taking of her Daughter's Book,
She thus to her did say.

Go home, sweet Daughter, I thee pray.
Go hasten presently ;
And tell unto the Master-Cook,
These Words which I tell thee.

And bid him dress to Dinner straight,
That fair and milk-white Doe ;
That in the Park doth shine so bright,.
There's none so fair to show.

This Lady fearing of no harm,
Obey'd her Mother's Will ;
And presently she hasted home,
Her Mind for to fulfil.

She straight into the Kitchin went,
Her Message for to tell,
And there the Master-Cook she spy'd,
Who did with Malice swell.

Now Master-Cook it must be so,
Do that which I thee tell ;
You needs must dress the milk-white Doe,
Which you do know full well.

Then straight his cruel bloody Hands,
He on the Lady laid ;
Who quivering and shaking stands,
While thus to her he said :

Thou art the Doe that I must dress,
See here, behold my Knife ;
For it is Pointed presently,
To rid thee of thy Life.

O then cry'd out the Scullion Boy,
As loud as loud might be ;
O save her Life, good Master-Cook,
And make your Pies of me ?

For pity sake do not destroy
My Lady with your Knife ;
You know she is her Father's Joy,
For Christ's sake save her Life.

I will not save her Life he said,
Nor make my Pies of thee ;
Yet if thou dost this Deed betray,
Thy Butcher I will be ;

Now when this Lord he did come home,
For to sit down to Meat ;
He called for his Daughter dear,
To come and carve his Meat.

Now sit you down, his Lady said,
O sit you down to Meat ;
Into some Nunnery she's gone,
Your Daughter dear forget.

Then solemnly he made a Vow,
Before the Company ;
That he would neither eat nor drink,
Until he did her see.

then bespoke the Scullion Boy,
With a loud Voice so high ;
If that you will your Daughter see
My Lord cut up the Pye.

Wherein her Flesh is minced small
And parched with the Fire ;
All caused by her Step-Mother,
Who did her Death desire.

And cursed be the Master-Cook,
O cursed may he be !
1 proffer'd him my own Heart's Blood,
From Death to set her free.

Then all in Black this Lord did Mourn,
And for his Daughter's sake ;
He judged for her Step-Mother,
To be burnt at a Stake.

Likewise he judg'd the Master-Cook,
In boyling Lead to stand ;
He made the simple Scullion Boy,
The Heir to all his Land.



Source: D'Urfey - Wit and Mirth or Pills To Purge Melancholy, 1959 reprint of 1876 reprint of 1719-1720, V, pp53-55


The foregoing tune was for Of King HENRY the $th ; his Victory over
the French at Agencourt.
(p49)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 05:47 AM

There are broadside copies at Bodleian and EBBA

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 08:05 AM

More from Child's footnote to Lady Diamond:

The tragedy is said to be localised at Radcliffe, Lancashire, followed by references to Harland, Ballads and Songs of Lancashire, where you can find The Radcliffe Tragedy of "Fair Ellen", which gives the story and a copy of the ballad and Roby: Traditions of Lancashire, which also gives the story and the ballad.

Harland mentions a version of the song to be sung to the tune of The Lady's Fall. There are several references to this tune in Simpson BBBM, see especially the entry for In Peascod Time (which might be the tune - I'm skimming at the moment!). Simpson does say in that entry that Lady Isabella's Tragedy names the tune as "Fair Rosamond, Or, Chivy Chase" on early editions and as "The Ladies Fall" on a great many editions after about 1675. Of the Pills' tune he says has affinities with "The children in the wood" in the opening bars, but is otherwise a version of "Chevy Chase". Since the ballads "Fair Rosamond" and "Chevy Chase" were both sung to the tune of "Flying Fame", we have here one of many examples of confusion surrounding these several tune names. The broadsides of "Lady Isabella's Tragedy" suggest a shift from "Flying Fame" to "The Lady's Fall", but the Pills music leaves us on uncertain ground

I haven't located a Jesuitmont version yet.


Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 11:36 AM

I was going to say that I may never eat meat pies again. however, I'm in Nebraska and I have fallen in love with a local delicacy called runzas, pierogis with a Nebraska flair. What, I wonder, is that distinctive flavor? Nebraska farm girls?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 04:31 PM

I realize this is an aside, but Americans say CANibalism and the Brits say caNIBBLEism which we Americans find hysterical. Nibbling indeed.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 05:23 PM

Never heard anyone use that pronunciation in UK Mrzzy!

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Ballad of Jesuit Mont - cannibalism?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Aug 19 - 07:08 PM

It was a BBC documentary about WWII. They were being serious and I kept losing it. Felt bad...


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