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Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'

Gordon Jackson 27 Jul 19 - 05:09 AM
GUEST,Julia L 26 Jul 19 - 11:33 PM
Gordon Jackson 26 Jul 19 - 11:35 AM
Severn 26 Jul 19 - 09:30 AM
Vic Smith 25 Jul 19 - 04:22 PM
EBarnacle 25 Jul 19 - 04:08 PM
The Sandman 25 Jul 19 - 01:40 PM
Mrrzy 24 Jul 19 - 10:17 PM
EBarnacle 24 Jul 19 - 01:27 PM
GUEST,keberoxu 24 Jul 19 - 01:25 PM
Mrrzy 24 Jul 19 - 12:05 PM
GUEST,Jerry 24 Jul 19 - 12:04 PM
Severn 24 Jul 19 - 11:02 AM
r.padgett 23 Jul 19 - 09:25 AM
GUEST,Martin Ryan 23 Jul 19 - 08:39 AM
GUEST,Mark Bluemel 23 Jul 19 - 04:34 AM
Hagman 22 Jul 19 - 08:23 PM
meself 22 Jul 19 - 05:22 PM
Mrrzy 22 Jul 19 - 04:40 PM
r.padgett 22 Jul 19 - 03:09 PM
GUEST,Starship 22 Jul 19 - 01:41 PM
GUEST,keberoxu 22 Jul 19 - 01:39 PM
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GUEST,Starship 22 Jul 19 - 12:29 PM
GUEST,Derrick 22 Jul 19 - 11:58 AM
GUEST,Derrick 22 Jul 19 - 11:54 AM
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Mrrzy 22 Jul 19 - 08:52 AM
GUEST,Rev Bayes 22 Jul 19 - 08:29 AM
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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Gordon Jackson
Date: 27 Jul 19 - 05:09 AM

It's thought by many, from Roy Palmer to Martin Carthy, that the young lady was a 'swan maiden', a supernatural being, symbolically slain, perhaps to release her from enchantment. So not mistaken identity at all.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST,Julia L
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 11:33 PM

Some early versions of this song have him mistaking her for a fawn. Here in Maine this is actually plausible as the white-tailed deer flash their tails as they run, making them a target. People are admonished not to wear white during hunting season and more than one tragedy has resulted from a hunter mistaking white clothing for the flash of a deer's tail
Julia


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Gordon Jackson
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 11:35 AM

I too sing the Harry Cox version. He called The Fowler.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Severn
Date: 26 Jul 19 - 09:30 AM

Mistaking her for a duck could lead to some interesting rhymes, though.....


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Vic Smith
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 04:22 PM

In the version that I sing, learned from the singing of Harry Cox there are a couple of lines that run:-
... and he shot his own Polly
In the room of a swan.


... but the song doesn't tell us whether it is The Swan at Falmer or The Swan at Southover, which are two lovely old pubs within four miles of where I live in Lewes.

Perhaps I should explain that in some parts of England "in The room of" means "mistaking him/her/it for".)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: EBarnacle
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 04:08 PM

I have been thinking about the issues the song presents.

First, and foremost, the effective accurate range of smoothbore firearms in the era the song was written was relatively short.

As such, he would have had to be fairly close to be sure of hitting her.

Why was Molly out there? Did he take her out there and say something like "Wait for me here, dear, I'll be back soon with some game we can enjoy?"

What was their relationship like? Was she showing signs of future nastiness? Did he want out?

He may not be as innocent as he claims.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jul 19 - 01:40 PM

both irish and english, bawn means white skinned or almost alobino in ireland, so i understand,i suspect it was originally irish


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 10:17 PM

One killed a dog recently...


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: EBarnacle
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 01:27 PM

I find the issue of protection curious as swans are very territorial and dangerous. When a pair set up a nest on our club's dock we had to hire a service to have them removed--for our safety. They are pretty but you'd better keep your distance.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 01:25 PM

This song was absent from my childhood.

What I did grow up with was
the Kingston Trio
and
the Weavers
singing "The Keeper did a-hunting go,"

and that one has always given me the creeps,
no matter how thoroughly the words were whitewashed.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 12:05 PM

I thought all swans *belong* to the Queen, rather than being Under royal protection. Or is that what you meant? I still find tjat both lovely and hysterical. What happened to whoever jumped on the back of a swan and wrung its neck?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST,Jerry
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 12:04 PM

I always thought this was an American song, because no one would plead they mistook her for a swan in England, without confessing to a treasonable offence..


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Severn
Date: 24 Jul 19 - 11:02 AM

Seeing as how swans over in the UK are under royal protection, I would think they wou!d be quite tasty. Has anyone in here ever tasted swan?

Seriously. None of this traditional, Well, it tastes a bit like chicken" safe answer nonsense. Tasting your own sweetheart is your own business, so I Won't ask......

Nor will I bother with any "Take me to your Leda" or, "Swannee, How I Love Ya" references, either......


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: r.padgett
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 09:25 AM

Ban pronunciation = Bawn btw ~ hence rimes with Vaughan

Ray


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 08:39 AM

The great Con Fada O Drisceoil has a version in which the short-sighted fowler tries to report his crime to the local Sergeant - who refuses to believe a word!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST,Mark Bluemel
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 04:34 AM

We used to sing a version of "Polly Vaughn" with a local community choir. There is a pub in the town called "The Swan" and my wife and I reckoned the song was about the young man catching his fiancee in flagrante - "And he shot his own true love (sic) in a room at the Swan".

I seem to remember the Oyster Band did a good version of this as "Molly Bond".


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Hagman
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 08:23 PM

I thought it was going to be an updated version, starring Dick Cheney...


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: meself
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 05:22 PM

Because so few murder ballads dare to speak their name. Closet murder ballad, indeed.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 04:40 PM

Mom always thought that was a closet murder ballad. Swan, indeed.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: r.padgett
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 03:09 PM

Should have gone to Specsavers (English joke sorry)

Yea an old traditional song ~ Molly Bawn and similar names ~I mistook her for a SWan

Ray


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 01:41 PM

keberoxu: . . . and Bawn.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 01:39 PM

I thought it was called Molly Ban.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 01:37 PM

Polly Von/ Vaughn.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 12:29 PM

Is this the one where forensics got the case tossed out of court because the defendant was firing .22 short rifle?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:58 AM

Guest at 11.43am beat me to it.
That is the song


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:54 AM

SRS,The reference is to an English trad song.
The song is about a young man on trial for murder.
He goes out hunting and shoots what he thinks is a swan.
The swan turns out to be his lover.
In his defence he claims that she had her white apron on and he mistook
her for a swan.
If you google Polly Vaugh or Polly Von (both spellings are used)you should find the lyrics


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:43 AM

Possibly Polly Vaughn etc.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:35 AM

Is this referring to a song?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 08:52 AM

Wait, where was her apron?


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Subject: Folklore: 'I mistook her for a duck, honestly'
From: GUEST,Rev Bayes
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 08:29 AM

Well, this amused me, anyway. From a US forensic investigator training manual:

https://imgur.com/a/l9xzVFR


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