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LORD NELSON
NELSON'S FAREWELL


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Subject: Origins: admiral nelson
From: GUEST,peter wood
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 02:06 PM

Back in 2005, I came across a song about the bringing of news of Trafalgar as the British fleet returned to the south coast. The song was called ‘Admiral Nelson’ and wherever I got it from, it had a great tune. I thought it was in one of Roy Palmer’s books, perhaps Boxing the Compass or The Valiant Sailor . It was said to be “by a Plymouth streetsinger”. Can anybody help me out with source for the song? The first verse runs as follows:

Draw nigh my friends and neighbours,
Good news to you I’ll bring
Concerning Admiral Nelson,
From shore to shore to sing
For the taking of the French fleet
Likewise the Spanish too
Here’s success to Nelson
And to all his jovial crew

Peter Wood


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Subject: RE: Origins: admiral nelson
From: lefthanded guitar
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 02:14 PM

Can't help. But for one brief moment, I thought someone had written a song about
the commander of the submarine in Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. ;)


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Subject: RE: Origins: admiral nelson
From: The Doctor
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 02:58 PM

It's in 'The English Folksinger', written by Sam Richards and Tish Stubbs, published in 1979 by Wm Collins;

Draw nigh my friends and neighbours, good news to you I'll bring
The fame of Admiral Nelson from shore to shore to sing.

For taking of the French fleet, likewise the Spanish too,
Here's success to Admiral Nelson and all his jovial crew.

The twenty first of October our ships to wind did lie.
A man from the topmast, my boys, a sail did chance to spy.

A sail, a sail, full twenty sail, there's thirty sail, there's more.
I'm sure they are the French fleet lying off the Spanish shore.

Down chests and up with hammocks, boys, your match tubs now prepare
And quickly form a line, my boys, to fight the proud Monsieur.

Fight on, fight on, my jolly tars, bold Nelson he did cry,
And like a valiant hero with sword in hand did die.

Our jolly tars like lions bold unto their quarters stood
Until the deck was covered o'er with many a brave man's blood.

But now the battle is over, our ships are under way.
Some we'll bring to Plymouth Dock and some unto Torbay.

And when that we have anchored along the British shore,
We'll drink success to George our king, and make the taverns roar.

If you need the tune as well I'll have to deal with that separately.


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Subject: RE: Origins: admiral nelson
From: GUEST,peter wood
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 03:01 PM

That's where I got it! Thanks, whoever you are.


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Subject: RE: Origins: admiral nelson
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 03:40 PM

Here's the tune for completeness. A quick check of Roud finds no entry for the first line. I'll try and have a more thorough look later.

Mick


X: 1
T:Admiral Nelson
M:4/4
L:1/4
B:The English Folksinger - Sam Richards & Trish Stubbs, 1979
K:Ddor
N: Notes from The English Folksinger:
N: Source unknown. THis vivid ballad of Trafalgar turned up in an old book
N: in a library in South Devon. Unfortunately, attempts to re-locate it have
N: been unsuccessful.A note in out papers, written when the song was copied,
N: attributes it to one Dick Tremuan, a street ballad singer of Plymouth who
N: claimed to write all the songs he peddled. However unknown source is no
N: excuse for ignoring one of the best songs of the Napoleonic Wars that we
N: have come across so far.
G|A D (E/F/) G| (F/E/) D2
w:Draw nigh my friends_ and neigh_bours,
A| d> e c B| A3
w:Good news to you I'll bring.
A| d> e c B| A2 c
w:The fame of Admi-ral Nel-son
d| A> c E G| D3 |]
w:From shore to shore to sing.


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Subject: RE: Origins: admiral nelson
From: Reinhard
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 04:31 PM

folktrax-archive.org has this entry for Admiral Nelson:

ADMIRAL NELSON - "Draw nigh my friends and neighbours" - good news - Plymouth Dock - Torbay - SKYLARK (1800) pp37-9 - RICHARDS-STUBBS EFS 1979 p163: Found in a book in a South Devon Library source unknown - Westaway Ms 1950.

And Admiral Nelson in Sky Lark (1800) has the Roud number V21204 but a different first line: "Come listen, my honies, awhile if you please".


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Subject: RE: Origins: admiral nelson
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 04:42 PM

Reinhard - I saw a few of the entries with "Come listen, my honies..." when I was searching earlier and wondered if they might be related. I'll get back to checking when I have time. Thanks for the info.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Origins: admiral nelson
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 06:24 PM

I've had a look at one of the copies of V21204 (in The Sky-Lark, 1800 - copy at Google books). It seems to be a different song entirely.

Mick



ADMIRAL NELSON

Come listen, my Honies, awhile, if you please
And a comical story I'll tell soon,
Of a tight little fellow that sailed on the seas,
And his name it was Admiral Nelson:
I am sure you have all heard of his fame,
How he fought like the devil wherever he came
  Speaks - Aye the Dutch, Spaniards and French won't, well they won't
Have plenty of cause to remember the day
When they first saw Admiral Nelson.

His arm having lost a that dam'd Teneriffe,
Never mind it, says he, I'll get well soon;
I shall catch 'em one day, as you see, lads and if
They escape me, blame Admiral Nelson:
To doubt what I've promis'd, is mighty absurd,
For I've left 'em my hand as a pledge of my word.
  Speaks - Faith he did, arm and all; and good security it was,
  for, as the old proberb says,

One hand in the bush is worth two in the bird,
So success to brave Admiral Nelson.

At length, by my soul, it would make the dead smile
Just to hear what Sir Horace befel soon;
The French took a trip to the banks of the Nile,
To make work for brave Admiral Nelson:
Arah, faith he fell in with them close by the land,
And he stuck in their skirts as you'l soon understand.
  Speaks - Faith, it would make the very devil himself laugh,
To see how he lather'd the French with one hand,
Och! the world for brave Admiral Nelson.

On the first of sweet August, you know was the day,
As the boatmen of London can tell soon;
When for coat and for badge they all row'd away,
Little thinking of Admiral Nelson;
Who then won a badge of so brilliant a cast,
That its mem'ry with Britons will never go past.
  Speaks - And every first of August, while the health of Nelson
  floats on the glass, may the liquor be enriched with a tear to the
  memory of those brave fellows who fell in the action; and come as
  many first of Augusts as there will,

There's no first of August will e'er beat the last,
When the French struck to Admiral Nelson.


Source: The Skylark. Being an Elegant Collection of the Best and Newest Songs in the English Language. 1800 pp37-39

The title is my addition. It's untitled in the book and indexed only by first line.


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Subject: RE: Origins: admiral nelson
From: Joe_F
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 09:40 PM

It seems a pity that Robert Graves's '1805' has not been set to music. It imagines a conversation about Nelson's funeral (which actually took place in 1806 --- not Graves's only lapse as a scholar).


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Subject: RE: Origins: admiral nelson
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 11:22 AM

Hi Pete, it has quite a few lines in common with 'The Battle of Trafalgar' in Masefield and in Ashton RSS, Roud 18837, but I'm sure you already knew that and even sing it.


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Subject: RE: Origins: admiral nelson
From: mayomick
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 10:53 AM

It's a hornpipe similar to The Naples Butcher , I'd imagine with Nelson being eponymous in regard to the apron theme .


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Subject: RE: Origins: admiral nelson
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 11:15 AM

https://books.google.ca/books?id=o-kGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=Dick+Tremuan,&source=bl&ots=fXzIJbnEe3&sig=ACfU3U02DHdhNFXEH3uF24ptPDpqFktLhQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjq4OiiosHjAhUon-AKHZC_AlQQ6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=Dick%20Tremuan%2C&f=false

Worth a look for Dick Tremuan's lyrics as recalled by another person.


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