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strumming help please

GUEST,FloraG 09 Jul 19 - 07:33 AM
GUEST,Grishka 09 Jul 19 - 08:23 AM
Dave Hanson 09 Jul 19 - 08:26 AM
Stanron 09 Jul 19 - 08:29 AM
leeneia 10 Jul 19 - 11:38 AM
GUEST,FloraG 11 Jul 19 - 03:30 AM
GUEST,Jerry 11 Jul 19 - 05:17 AM
leeneia 13 Jul 19 - 07:25 PM
GUEST,Grishka 14 Jul 19 - 10:24 AM
banjoman 17 Jul 19 - 07:14 AM
GUEST,Tunesmith 17 Jul 19 - 01:57 PM
GUEST,FloraG 20 Jul 19 - 03:24 AM
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Subject: stumming help please
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 07:33 AM

Hi
My query is
how do you strum a triplet over the space of 2 notes?
the tune is in 4/4.
Should I strum 1234 and sing the triplet over the 3 and 4 or should it be 1 2 ( 345) ?
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: stumming help please
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 08:23 AM

Flora, either is acceptable. If the triplet has an emphatic meaning, it may be more effective to have it in the accompaniment as well, even with different chords if suitable. In other cases, in particular if the song has a marching character, four strums of equal length are preferable.


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Subject: RE: stumming help please
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 08:26 AM

A triplet is 3 notes in the time of 2 and counts 1&2 I really can't understand what you mean about strumming 1234 and singing a triplet, are you singing it or strumming it ?

Dave H


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Subject: RE: stumming help please
From: Stanron
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 08:29 AM

You could do either as long as someone who is tapping their foot in 4/4 can continue doing that. If you can do the strum as basic 4/4 and sing the triplet you have the best of both worlds. If you try to strum the triplet as you sing it there is a chance that the underlying 4/4 might get lost.

A genuine triplet over two quarter notes does sound kind of 'out of time'. You could try singing three eighth notes and leaving the fourth silent. That will sound more 'in time' and will be easier to do.


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Subject: RE: strumming help please
From: leeneia
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 11:38 AM

Tje 4/4 time might be a mistake. The tune might be in duple time, 2/4 or 2/2. with two strums per measure, not 4.

Pat your thighs slowly and count 1,2, 1,2. Use both hands, first right, then left. Do this for a while.

Next, fit the word 'wonderful' into the time that one pat requires. That's the triplet.


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Subject: RE: strumming help please
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 03:30 AM

Leeneia - your right in that its easier to play it with only 2 strums to the bar - but most of it is 4/4.
I'm not a strummer but have a uke. I usually play the tune finger picking it with the occasional chord but I'm not sure what advice to give to a group of mostly non musicians who also play ukes and mostly just strum to words.
The tune is Sweet Caroline. I worry that they will play the triplet at the same speed as the rest thus having a bar of 5.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: strumming help please
From: GUEST,Jerry
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 05:17 AM

Would it better to get them to pause at the triplets and then pick up the rhythm on the next bar, which adds a bit of dynamic that is usually lacking with uke bands? I love your description of just strumming to words.


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Subject: RE: strumming help please
From: leeneia
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 07:25 PM

You're right, I looked up some images (they only showed the first page), and it's in 4/4 all right. I listened to it on YouTube for a while, but I didn't hear any triplets. They must be further on.

What if you change the triplet to a quarter note followed by two eighths? Then make the quarter note staccato so it sounds short? That oughta fool a lotta people.


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Subject: RE: strumming help please
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 10:24 AM

If you are talking about the well-known ND pop song: by all means let them strum in quarter notes. Pop singers tend to vary their rhythms slightly, which sheet music editors may approximate by notating triplets. In such cases, the whole accompaniment will keep the mechanical four-beat time, whether performed by amateurs or professionals.


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Subject: RE: strumming help please
From: banjoman
Date: 17 Jul 19 - 07:14 AM

Flora make sure you bring your uke to Acol and we can try and sort it out between us


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Subject: RE: strumming help please
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 17 Jul 19 - 01:57 PM

That is a tricky rhythm. I bet Youtube has a few lessons on the topic.


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Subject: RE: strumming help please
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 20 Jul 19 - 03:24 AM

Looking forward to Broadstairs. So far I have managed to avoid any hospital appointments that week - but who knows.
A local guitarist suggested only playing one note then a rest - to avoid the problem - like Jerry's idea.
It would be interesting to find out what drummers do here.
FloraG


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