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BS: Cheesey reminiscences!

Steve Shaw 11 Jul 19 - 06:56 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 06:56 PM

I've tried all the much-vaunted unpasteurised cheddars. I even set up a blind tasting for Mrs Steve a couple of years ago which included Keens, Gould's, Westcombe and Montgomery's, as well as the pasteurised Wookey Hole. The latter won hands down. I tried Montgomery's again yesterday. It's strong, assertive and very tangy. But there's something just a touch unclean and cowy about it. Seven on ten, best of the unpasteurised bunch. But Wookey gets 9.8486 out of ten.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Mo the caller
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 06:26 PM

Some of the posts upthread were reminiscent of 3 Men in a Boat.

A good strong but not too strong Cheddar can't be beaten. Co-op sell a good Organic Mature Cheddar. For years it was assumed that if you wanted Organic cheese (which I do for animal welfare reasons) you wanted one so strong that it took the skin off your tongue. Things have improved now.

Can't stand red cheese, tastes artificial.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 06:08 PM

...and Swiss cheese..?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 05:39 AM

Isovaleric Acid - cheesy cheese smell of cheese, and also found in smelly socks. And off beer.

So if you keep your socks on in bed ...................... it might explain Mrrzy's comments.


Mind you, the New Scientist did have an article in the "News in Brief" section that reported research that concluded keeping your socks on for sex actually improved it. Probably a winter thing. Keep the extremities warm (oooer missus) and the body feels warm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 07:10 PM

Well I may have produced gallons of the stuff but I'm buggered if I know what it smells like. I suggest confusion here. Just wash you tackle pre-orgasm, then smell again post-come just to make sure you're not confusing semen smell with dirty bloke smell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 06:02 PM

"Don't heat brie. Makes it smell, well, like semen" (Mrrzy)...but with Brie Wellington it has to be heated, so maybe you'd give it the boot?!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 05:52 PM

Not a great fan of the Manchego we get in the UK - generally rubbery and waxy: however, in Spain, different story: so many different strengths and grades - as with Comte in France.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: EBarnacle
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 07:59 PM

Velveeta, a product of the Kraft company, has a major problem for those of us who are lactose intolerant. It is insufficiently aged for the process to eat the lactose and make it safe for us, as real cheddar is. Let's just say the results can be quite messy.

For some reason, a good, runny brie does not bother me. I can adore it.

When my theater group did Richard III, I made a point of getting us a pound of double Gloucester in his honor. Good stuff!

My current favorite snacking cheese is Manchego. Amazingly, Costco has it for half the price of the local supermarkets. Of course, you have to buy a quarter wheel. No problem.

Lady Hillary and I make our own yogurt. By varying the curing, we can produce almost any texture from liquidy to a good spreading cheese.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 10:16 PM

Don't heat brie. Makes it smell, well, like semen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: robomatic
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 05:57 PM

I lived in an ex-fraternity house which had been turned into an international house. One day we had a fondue party and I volunteered my little camper stove, a version of gas/ petrol/ white fuel using SVEA. It was supposedly adjustable, but the adjustment involved turning a balky metal 'key' about 1/8th of an arc. Usually came on pretty strong. So it was surrounded by a bunch of pots and was under a big pot full of rapidly churning cheeses and it flared a bit, and then wouldn't stop flaring, and one helpful soul threw it outside with a good overhand. Not for nothing did I learn later that SVEA stoves were called "Swedish hand grenades".


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 02:56 PM

Many years ago when I was a VERY skint student in Oxford the local supermarket was selling Brie off cheap because it gone 'runny' I bought half a Brie for 50p. I would have bought the whole thing but I didn't have a quid.

Fed us both for 2 that Brie!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 02:17 PM

Nigel Slater had a way with reluctant camemberts, but they needed to be one of those that came in a wooden box. Bake it in the box for a little while, in the meantime boiling some small new potatoes in their skins. Put the cheese in the middle of the table and dip your spuds in it. And no double dipping...


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 01:39 PM

We usually put Camembert in the bread bin: when you get that "sweaty trainers" smell as you walk past the bread bin, it's ripe and ready, runny in the middle. But I agree, some Camemberts never achieve that: they go from unripe to "totally honking" in one swift move.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 05:09 AM

Another trick I've learned is to leave the soft cheeses out of the fridge to ripen up as soon as you get home, putting them in the fridge only when you think they've reached eating condition. Then you know you'll have the cheese right very shortly before you need it, just an hour out of the fridge. Nobody dies using this method. Cheese is very good at looking after itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 05:05 AM

I'd cheerily admit that the type of cheap, unripe brie that appears on tables alongside unwashed green grapes and undrinkable four-quid "claret" at wine and wisdom evenings, the sort with an unyielding dry crust and a thick, chalky middle, is a true horror. I like to leave soft cheeses lying around outside the fridge for at least half a day, longer in winter. Mismanaging a brie is as bad as drinking prosecco that's at central heating temp. Give the brie a squeeze before purchase in order to ensure you have a cheese with potential. The main faults I've found with brie have been too much salt and a bitter finish (the latter can mean the cheese has gone past its best). A refusal to ripen is something I associate more with camemberts. Some supermarket bries are marked "ripening." They usually do ok after a few hours at room temp.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 01:59 AM

Brie is notably taste free.

Not in Sainbury's or in the Auvergne! Camembert is an acquired taste and it produces an acquired smell from the digestion thereof. Give me Brie every time.

To those of us that science refers to as "supertasters" any strong taste is too much. We seek the calm haven that is subtle. And a good Brie is all of that.
FWIW taste perception varies with texture - it is all about expectation and the human brain. Anyone who can figure that is destined to be a millionaire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 05:59 PM

"We stayed three nights in Arenas in 1999 (or was it 1998...). I was that argumentative northerner who supped many a glass of Rioja...Did we cross paths? :-)"
Aw, sadly (?) I think we missed you Steve! We were the ones with the Bolshie 15-year-old in tow - "No, you're too young to go to Majorca with your pals" - but he did in the end enjoy the holiday, even if he and his Dad left me miles behind on any walks we did!
And although this is a BS thread, have to mention the fab music that was played in the restaurant at breakfast: how often do you ever experience really nice music at breakfast - along with the orange-crushing machine? Proper wonderful Asturian music from Tejedor, as I found out when I enquired of the staff: took me another 2 years to get one of their CDs - when they eventually came to Glasgow's Celtic Connections as a support band!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 04:25 PM

Unless it's Sharpham's.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 02:56 PM

Brie is notably taste free.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:02 PM

This week I was returning home on a long journey, on a hot day. Included in the luggage was a Brie - that was about 40% Camembert, which I had forgot.
Note to self don't buy French Brie from Sainsbury's. Mind you it is similar in the Auvergne - Brie is infra dig, Camembert fills the shelves.
Every time I stopped to photograph OS Benchmarks and got back in - the smell was vaguely , er , um , bodily. I politely turned up the fan to get some fresh air. My passenger probably had acclimatised and didn't realise, and I thought it was her!

Good job I didn't say anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jul 19 - 09:40 PM

We stayed three nights in Arenas in 1999 (or was it 1998...). I was that argumentative northerner who supped many a glass of Rioja...Did we cross paths? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 03 Jul 19 - 07:24 PM

Not seen Cabrales cheese on sale here, but even bringing it home was a bit of a disappointment: just like that amazing new shirt that looked so great on you in Spain, but now at home makes you just look ridiculous!
We stayed several times in Arenas de Cabrales, where our evening 3-course mesl cost 5 euros each, inclusive of 1/2 litre of wine each. That was late 90s too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Jul 19 - 05:39 PM

Halloumi...........ugh .............. tasteless, rubbery nonsense.

I wouldn't feed it to my cat!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Jul 19 - 02:32 PM

Why do some cheeses (swiss) change flavor a lot when melted, but others (cheddar) don't?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 03:07 AM

I spotted Yorkshire squeaky cheese in Mossers the other day. I'm guessing a halloumi style but I didn't try it. I'll let you know if I do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 08:34 PM

Well Mrs Steve and I were introduced to Cabrales by a lovely lady who ran a wine/tapas bar in Potes, in the Picos de Europa, in 1998. In those halcyon days you could wash down your tapas with a bottle of El Coto Rioja for three euros, or was it quids. She was so keen for us to try the queso that she wouldn't let us pay for it. It tasted magnificent, but I've never found the Cabrales on sale here to be anything like as alluring. Could be that it doesn't travel well.

To change tack, is there anything finer than a hunk of halloumi grilled on the barbie?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:51 PM

Reminiscences: having discovered the delights of Reblochon cheese during a holiday on the French Alps (Savoie): we brought a whole one back home, which was then in Shropshire - by train and car, so quite a long journey. Although well-wrapped, and (unrefrigerated!) it made its presence known. You can now get it in the UK, but not then.

Then there was the local speciality in Asturias, Cabrales cheese: a blue cheese with a green wax coating. Totally delicious and often featured in sauces to go over meat dishes: I got the recipe for the sauce from the chef at our hotel: basically just cheese cream and brandy! Just had to bring some back, and they were very big cheeses, so we bought a quarter of a whole one: by then it was ferry from Santander to Plymouth and drive all the way back to Edinburgh! Anther smelly journey.

Agree about the Davidstow very mature cheddar, which we can get in Waitrose, and also the Cornish tickler, but ASDA have Devonshire Vintage Tickler, which is as good, and ALDI do a very good Scottish Vintage Cheddar (strength 6). And there are some other good regional "Cheddar" cheeses here in Scotland, from Islay, Mull of Kintyre, Orkney and Arran, as well as the oatmeal rolled soft cheese Caboc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:14 PM

I promised I'd be back with my thoughts on the much-vaunted three-year-old Cornish Cruncher from M&S. To be clear, it's the stuff in a gold wrapper, not the stuff in a black wrapper. It's £5.25 per hunk, but, to be fair, it's not a bad sized hunk. Still quite dear.

Well it does have that crunch, for sure. And it's nice cheese. But the overriding feeling is one of saltiness. I'm not getting that sort of lactic, cheesy tang that I thought I might expect from such an aged cheese. So the saltiness, probably needed to preserve the stuff for three years, seems excessive and not in harmony with the less assertive cheesy aspects. I won't be buying it again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:11 AM

I heartily concur with that. I will not countenance cheese with added fruit. I understand that only cheese that is likely to turn out to be disappointing is treated in this way. So you're buying inferior cheese whose poor quality is masked by fruity bits. No thanks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 06:20 AM

I'd skip the Cranberry in Wensleydale Joanne it's bloody awful.

I am not a fan of adding anything to cheese, especially fruit. I can just about except chives in Double Gloucester at a push.

If you visit the Wensleydale Creamery in Hawes it's a joke. There's cheese with cranberries, apricot, ginger, mango, pineapple, spice, caramelised onions, balsamic onions, gin, beer and garlic (ugh).

I think there are other that are "seasonal" all spoiling what is basically a decent cheese.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 12:22 PM

ALDI in the UK have very passable Roquefort, Brie de Meaux, aged Gouda, Manchego, Gorgonzola, Fetta. To do much better you would have to order direct from continental suppliers. Tesco have a wider range at higher prices, Sainsbury not so much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: CupOfTea
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 11:39 AM

Spotted this thread just after last night's delightful dinner held in friends' lovely garden. My part of the feast included a cheese tray with a selection from the best cheese shop in tge West Side market. The hosts are very fond of cheese, have made cheese & sampled widely on travels to France & Ireland. I had to have Sage Darby because of Les Barker (having previously gone for some Doublr Glouster for the same reason, which pleased Judy Cook considerably), some "4-year Chedder" frim Quebec, a sheep milk chese from Italy, Ossau, another I think from Italy- Ubriaco, that had a crust of wine must that was WONDERFUL. At that point I'd maxed out my budget.

I've been surprised to find some very good cheeses at ALDI's. When I heard they were part of Trader Joes (or vice -versa) it explained the gift packs of interesting cheeses that included cranberry Wenslydale. Irish cheeses show up often, as well.

Leftover cheese for noshing on between dances today. A nice thing for a summer Sunday.

Joanne in Cleveland


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 06:14 AM

...isn't that the one locals run/fall madly down a hill after, BB?

Yest but be only one, which would make it a single Gloucester.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jun 19 - 07:54 AM

I understand that M&S sell a three-year-old Cornish Cruncher that is highly regarded. I'll be in Hayle M&S in about half an hour so I shall avail myself of a hunk thereof. I'll let you know. By the way, it's scarily windy here today. Very useful for anyone who, whilst in company, can't stop the mselves from "cutting the cheese" (aka "floating an air biscuit" or "treading on a duck").


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 06:40 PM

A couple of the supermarkets here in England now have a "free from" range, and I find Tesco's vegan soft cheese very nice in a sandwich with lettuce, olives and tomato sauce. Coconut oil and soya replace milk. My poem "My Diet"


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 06:07 PM

And now I notice that I can't spell it either!

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Jun 19 - 04:05 PM

All these years I have pronounced it Wendsleydale... Spell checker told me I was wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 06:08 PM

Well M&S sell Wookey Hole, Robin, £2.50 a lump. I don't think there's a better cheddar and I've tried a lot of the supposed elites. Now I don't usually speak up for mass-produced cheese, but Davidstow creamery (a fancy name for a cheese factory just up the road from me that looks like a Soviet gulag), which makes Cathedral City, turns out a very nice version of said cheese called Extra Mature. If you don't see those words on the wrapper, you haven't found it. It isn't half bad and it's brilliant for cheese on toast or to put in an omelette. Or just to eat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 05:30 PM

I like a good Cheddar but they are hard to find. Most is just "cooking cheese" as my Lancashire mother-in-law called it.
I found Cheshire and Wesleydale when I went to uni and used to buy them instead of sweets.
Creamy Lancashire is my favourite, particularly the black wax "bombs".
I was looking forward to trying some French cheeses when we went to Brittany for the first time, what a disappointment!

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 04:13 PM

Thank you for the link.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 03:04 PM

It is indeed near Gloucester - wiki


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 02:59 PM

No idea- While I have been to Norway, spent the night in Germany, and 40 minutes in Denmark, I am the only one of my family to have never gotten to the UK.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 02:35 PM

They say double Gloucester is twicest as nice,
They say double Gloucester there, I've said it twice,
Its nice in potatoes but nicest in mice.

...isn't that the one locals run/fall madly down a hill after, BB?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 10:59 AM

HARD CHEESE OF OLD ENGLAND
(Les Barker)

There's Cheddar and Cheshire and Lancashire too,
Leicester's bright orange and Stilton is blue.
It waxes so lyrical, what can you do but sing,

Oh the hard cheese of old England,
In old England very hard cheese.

Derby got green bits because of the sage,
And when it gets older its kept in a cage.
What does it hum when it reaches this age but,

They say double Gloucester is twicest as nice,
They say double Gloucester there, I've said it twice,
Its nice in potatoes but nicest in mice.

Those damn foreigners aren't worth a mention,
Old Gorgonzolas is renowned for it stenchen,
His brother Emil wrote novels in French and sing,

There's Swaledale and Wendslydale, Rutland to add,
Shropshire and Cornish you may not have had,
It's not bad on salads this ballad's not sad and sing,

My young love said to me my mother won't mind,
And my father once liked you for your lack of rind,
No cheese greater love for his food than mankind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 09:57 AM

Cheese, glorious cheese... What is that song? Oliver, Kermit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 04:52 AM

A few years ago I was trying out various soft rinded cheeses. There was one from France that tasted great but you couldn't keep in anywhere in the house, such was the rank, all-pervading pong. Fridge, outhouse cupboard, wrapped in polythene...nothing worked. I think it was pie d'Angloys though I could be mistaken...


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 04:09 AM

I once bought 100gm of Stinking Bishop because of Wallace & Grommet, and because I live near to its home.


Well it does stink!


Boursin, though even that can be lived without

So does Boursin!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 08:01 PM

Tread caerphilly, please...you don't want to lose your whey...


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Joe_F
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 06:29 PM

Take us to your liederkranz.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cheesey reminiscences!
From: Helen
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 05:33 PM

When I and some of my friends used to gather on a regular basis about 30 years ago for a light meal, we used to pick a theme.

At the time one of the large department stores had a huge array of cheese in all varieties. I always found it difficult to decide which ones to try, so on one occasion I suggested to my friends that we go to the cheese shop and choose varieties starting with the initials of our names. That was the first time I tried Havarti cheese. I liked it.

I'd rather eat cheese than chocolate. That's how serious my cheesaholism is.

Hubby started making cheese for a while but he hasn't done it in the last year or so. I've tried to wind him up to make some more but I might have to wait until he retires in a couple of years.


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