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BS: Conservative Leadership Contest

DMcG 23 Jul 19 - 11:54 AM
punkfolkrocker 23 Jul 19 - 11:50 AM
punkfolkrocker 23 Jul 19 - 11:41 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Jul 19 - 11:28 AM
Stilly River Sage 23 Jul 19 - 11:21 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Jul 19 - 11:19 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Jul 19 - 10:49 AM
punkfolkrocker 23 Jul 19 - 10:41 AM
Iains 23 Jul 19 - 10:36 AM
Bonzo3legs 23 Jul 19 - 07:51 AM
punkfolkrocker 23 Jul 19 - 07:45 AM
Bonzo3legs 23 Jul 19 - 07:38 AM
punkfolkrocker 23 Jul 19 - 07:31 AM
Backwoodsman 23 Jul 19 - 07:28 AM
Bonzo3legs 23 Jul 19 - 07:22 AM
Bonzo3legs 23 Jul 19 - 07:20 AM
Backwoodsman 23 Jul 19 - 07:16 AM
punkfolkrocker 23 Jul 19 - 06:50 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Jul 19 - 06:48 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Jul 19 - 05:35 AM
Iains 23 Jul 19 - 05:25 AM
DMcG 23 Jul 19 - 04:26 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Jul 19 - 04:02 AM
David Carter (UK) 23 Jul 19 - 03:28 AM
Raggytash 22 Jul 19 - 05:23 PM
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Dave the Gnome 22 Jul 19 - 12:32 PM
DMcG 22 Jul 19 - 11:52 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:54 AM

but the U.K. has never wielded less power on the world stage"
You (and Haaretz) could be right. But that is the position that he finds himself in, following on from Theresa May. Whether he will be able to turn that position around, or will allow it to deteriorate, is another matter, and remains to be seen.


That does sound rather like an attempt to blame Teresa May for everything that may go wrong. But it is certainly not the case for Brexit, because we have heard many times "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed." So if there is an agreement, it will be Johnson who agrees to it, however much May was involved in drafting it. It is his responsibility for whatever arises from any deal he accepts. not hers.

No deal is marginally less clear, because part of the problems that "may" arise (to use Nigel's formulation) are due to our being woefully under prepared. May does take some blame for this, but since Boris Johnson assures yet again how low the level of pain will be, he would not be able to blame her for lack of preparation with any credibility, in my opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:50 AM

As for Boris being a leader to live with.. not yet...

There's still a fair possibility he may celebrate too hard tonight
and end up being arrested, or suffering a bizarre inebriated accident...

He should definitely stay away from binbags and oranges - that old posh tory favourite peccadillo...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:41 AM

..as long as both topple over into the dark abyss of the arse crack..


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:28 AM

Trump and Johnson: two cheeks of the same unwashed arse...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:21 AM

Just like Trump, those who were able to vote knew what his weaknesses are (many and varied) and voted for him anyway. It's time for a song. How about The World Turned Upside Down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 11:19 AM

but the U.K. has never wielded less power on the world stage"
You (and Haaretz) could be right. But that is the position that he finds himself in, following on from Theresa May. Whether he will be able to turn that position around, or will allow it to deteriorate, is another matter, and remains to be seen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 10:49 AM

Nice summing up from Haaretz just now
"Analysis Boris Johnson Will Be the Weakest British Leader Ever
The Conservative politician may be the most pro-Israel prime minister in history, but the U.K. has never wielded less power on the world stage"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 10:41 AM

..and the award for smug middlebrow clichés of the day goes to...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 10:36 AM

Well no surprises. All hail King Bojo.
What sort of brexit will he deliver I wonder?
or
will he play dangerously? enable a general election? prorogue parliament?

There will be enough hot air expended to quadruple global warming before anything sensible transpires.
I see an abject failure to deliver brexit and a general election sooner rather than later. Not that Labour would welcome such a gift, it would be more a Trojan horse for them. This is a shame because they have an Augean stable already prepared.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:51 AM

I don't know, no doubt his cabinet will consist of bores who will not take their jackets off in hot weather!!! I went to our mp's garden party on Sunday and pissed off a couple of tories by announcing that I would like to see Hilary Benn as PM!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:45 AM

Bonz - he just wants to tick it off his wish list, and have it on his CV...

How long do you give him in the job...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:38 AM

And in the words of Jesse Winchester, now that he's there he will find out - "nobody told me about this part" actually being PM is a far cry from just wanting to be PM!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:31 AM

Funny the tory obsession with demonising one frail looking old man.

It's almost as if some of them actually forget there are many thousands of other very diverse folks in the Labour party,
not just him...

..reminder/hint.. It's not called the "Jeremy Corbyn Party"...

Are your lot called the "Boris the Buffoon Party"...???

Though, sadly that's how the rest of the world will now regard the entire UK...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:28 AM

There is no such thing as a ‘Brexit that works for the whole UK’. Brexit is about one thing, and one thing only - enabling a tiny cadre of immensely wealthy, largely non-dom, partly non-British individuals to continue their tax-avoidance rackets without scrutiny under the new EU anti-tax-avoidance regulations. They give not one jot how it will affect the rest of us and, as always, it will be us picking up the bill.

You, like the other Tory-servants and BrexShitter nut-jobs on here and elsewhere have been well and truly had.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:22 AM

And what pray has happened to hackney abbott???


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:20 AM

Many congratulations to @BorisJohnson on being elected leader of Conservatives - we now need to work together to deliver a Brexit that works for the whole UK and to keep Jeremy Corbyn out of government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 07:16 AM

The Blond Buffoon got it, as expected. Anyone fancy running a book on how long he’ll last?


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 06:50 AM

We could either say....

a] The tories have always had the most gay MPs,
whilst being at the same time the most homophobic of all UK major parties.

or..

b] Is it a plausible possibility the tories have always had the most gay MPs,
whilst being at the same time the most homophobic of all UK major parties ?

spot the difference...???

At least one mudcatter here, persistently willfully states opinions and wildly untrue accusations as fact...
Why...??

Because it works so effectively for role models such as Donald and Boris...???

The rest of us here take more care never to do this,
having more respect for objective reality, truth, and the intelligence of the mudcat community.

Though on ocasions it may be fun and justified to resort to such blatantly dishonest cynical tactics,
when fighting fire with fire.
As long as it is done tongue in cheek for a laugh;
and there is more than a grain of truth in such widely sweeping statements of opinion as fact...

Ie.. the tories have always been a secretively closeted very gay party,
and make it as difficult as possible for their members to come out in public...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 06:48 AM

The Tory chap on Newsnight last night parroted out five or six times that Johnson, if and when in post, will "have a mandate" to see brexit through. He forgot to mention that the "mandate" will be provided by a few tens of thousands of mostly white mostly rich mostly men. Or that he will be in charge of a party that failed to achieve an overall majority last time out. I don't suppose we'll notice his premiership being informed by the humility that those uncomfortable facts should provoke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 05:35 AM

Gender issues have no place here
It is of little surprise that homophobia is one of the badges of identification of this troll
Ae the Mods asleep at their post ?
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 05:25 AM

In deference to Mr Duncan's wishes I will call James Dunseath his civil partner rather than husband. (Elton John has no such problem with his husband John Furnish)
"Alan Duncan does not like using the language of marriage to describe his forthcoming civil partnership ceremony. For example, he makes clear that he is 'committed" to his partner, James Dunseath, rather than 'engaged" to him.

"This is not a 'wedding'," he says. "You really just go into the register office and sign. There will be no Elton John-style stuff: no white suits, no John Inman, no flouncing about."

He reserved his flouncing of his pampered pompadour to Parliamentary occasions no doubt.

Judging by the way some here jump allover the non distinction between partner and husband, I get the impression some here are uncomfortable with same sex partnerships, they are homophobic in fact.
I have no such qualms. A person's sexuality is something that is as much a part of them as their skin colour or eye colour and equally as outside of their control. To put it bluntly, they are born with it. Until society is more accepting gays have enough problems to contend without a minority here making an issue of it. You should be ashamed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 04:26 AM

Getting back to the leadership: Alan Duncan's request for an emergency confidence vote to determine whether the chosen leader is acceptable is interesting. Granted, it is without precident and probably mischievous. But there is still a case for it. When someone is leader of a party and that party is then elected the public and hence the house can be assumed to back that leader in some general sense. That is not there when a party leader changes during a sitting. So there is a reasonable case for a confirmatory vote. When a party has a clear majority in the house that would be symbolic rather than of practical significance, but when the party has a thin majority or is a minority, it is be no means so clear. Certainly it would be a boost for the new leader if they had the backing of the house as PM not just their own party as party leader.

So the debate won't happen, but I think there is a good case that it should always happen on a change of leader mid session.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 04:02 AM

"Even for you Iains, thats a low post."
A level that will continue while people respond to his string-jerking
He has little else to offer - certainly not intelligent argument
It takes a special level of mindset to be gleeful over a crumbling administration at a time when the country needs leadership and it looks like the patients look like taking over the asylum
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 Jul 19 - 03:28 AM

Even for you Iains, thats a low post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 05:23 PM

What a surprise. Homophobia to add to the list.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 01:57 PM

a right singer...???

that'll probably be Morrisey...

Well it sure as hell will not be Bono!

Meanwhile the swamp is draining. The posturing pompadored popinjay Duncan has resigned. Remarkably, Duncan wanted Bercow to hold an emergency debate on the “merits of the newly chosen Leader of the Conservative Party” and whether he can form a Government.
Strange behaviour to resign as foreign minister in the middle of one of the biggest British foreign policy crises in recent times. No doubt his husband will console him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 12:32 PM

I had not read it before DMcG but that speech sums up his plans and leadership skills perfectly :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:52 AM

The Hunting of the Snark, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:49 AM

a right singer...???

that'll probably be Morrisey...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:49 AM

Boris and the Brexiteers (great name for a 1950s group, I think) seem to me to be inspired by "The Bellman's speech in "The haunting of the Snark".


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 11:44 AM

Has everyone given up on who will captain the sinking ship SS Brexit then? I would have thought our resident right singers at least would show a bit of intetest!


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 12:53 PM

Pie


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 12:50 PM

Easy solution, put a good half an hour aside
and enjoy working your way through his most recent videos..

The best laugh, and the most sound sense on UK politics at the moment...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 12:32 PM

thanks for that, Jim - but it isn't the film i was on about. a more recent one focuses on just BJ and Hunt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 10:41 AM

HE'S VERY GOOD PETER
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 03:33 AM

i just watched a commentary on the tory leadership contest by jonathan pie on facebook. splendid and splendidly angry. apologies, i lack the competence to provide a link here and ask if anyone else could...cheers


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 03:13 AM

There are plenty of blogs and bloggers. Here's one about Staines which I suspect certain people will not like. Even though it is all true ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 05:58 PM

Raggy - I long ago read up on enough about him to form a considered objective opinion on that blog and it's fans...

It's the most visible tip of a very nasty fermenting dung heap...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 05:02 PM

Punkfolkrocker, Fawkes deals entirely in soundbites and gosssip.

He is careful however to say so little that it would be difficult to nail any of salicious gossip as libelous.

It should be remembered that he is only a blogger. One that appeals to people who seem incapable of forming their own considered stance based on all information available.

Quell surprise!


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 04:11 PM

"Oakeshott is suing the Guardian for defamation of character"

What character?


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 02:23 PM

THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES OF AARON BANKS

The police are now considering making whistle-blowing such as that concerning teh Ambassador a criminal offence
Soon we'll be as FREE AS AMERICA
"Orwellian" as our own Tommy Robinsonite would say
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 01:07 PM

...and a bit of Shania Twain but I'm not saying which bit


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 01:00 PM

Oh, and my van contained John Rhys-Davies, Karl Malden and Groucho Marx :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 12:54 PM

Aye. I think there are server problems but I knew what you meant so I'll not bother reposting


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 12:32 PM

DtG's matey banter post, that I just replied to, enquiring what I look like,
has been suddenly disappeared...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 12:28 PM

DtG - imagine Johnny Depp, Jim Morrison, Tony Curtis, Vinnie Jones, Sid James,
at least two famous boy bands, a grizzly bear, and a male Thunderbirds puppet,
were crammed in the back of a small van that was suddenly hit by a high speed train...

After the result was scooped up and bagged, and specialists tried to reconstruct at least one complete face..

That might be what I look like..???

Of course I'm being modest...

But there was no more room in the van for Brad Pitt, Clark Gable, and Kirk Douglas, and Cary Grant...

..and Yul Brynner was too busy at the time getting his head waxed...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 06:14 PM

do what...???

I've just googled her photos.. nah.. looks too Aryan master-racey for my tastes...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 06:13 PM

Once again Iains ............

You fail to use quotation marks. Are they your words (somehow doubt it) or are they the words of someone else.

If, as it appears, they are the words of someone else you fail to name the person or your source.

It is VERY easy to take a part of a speech and bend it to your own agenda ............ and I have to say I won't put that past you.


................. upon reflection I doubt if you ........

Nough said!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 05:38 PM

All I'll say is that I wouldn't climb over you to get at Isobel Oakeshott, pfr...


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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 04:44 PM

.. but only a right **** would say that...


ie.. my arguments are flimsy and rubbish, folks can see right through them, and me..
So I'll strike back with smug textbook definitions in as big a quote as I can,
in the hope it'll make me look much cleverer than them......
Then they'll be the biggest losers, not me...


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