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Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April

DaveRo 04 Apr 19 - 03:56 PM
GUEST,Jack Campin 10 Apr 19 - 08:11 AM
Jim Carroll 10 Apr 19 - 08:30 AM
Jim Carroll 10 Apr 19 - 09:01 AM
GUEST,Jack Campin 10 Apr 19 - 09:25 AM
Jim Carroll 10 Apr 19 - 10:47 AM
Jack Campin 10 Apr 19 - 10:54 AM
Jim Carroll 10 Apr 19 - 01:15 PM
Vic Smith 10 Apr 19 - 02:49 PM
Jack Campin 10 Apr 19 - 04:23 PM
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Subject: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: DaveRo
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 03:56 PM

Sat 6th April 2019 20:00

Charles Parker: Radio Pioneer


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Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 08:11 AM

That was really good. Two things that surprised me:
  • the arrangements that combined instrumentation with recorded sound, due more to Peggy Seeger than anyone else I think. These were far ahead of their time and mark a path not taken. That kind of thing could be done much more easily now with a laptop, and integrated in live performance. I've hardly ever heard anybody try. Way more imaginative than simply piling up extra instruments.

  • Ewan MacColl's mannered buzz-saw vibrato on climactic notes. Yuck. I don't think he did that elsewhere, and thank god he never persuaded any of his epigones to follow suit.


Parker was born three days after my father. Nice to able to pin his generation down that precisely.

I wouldn't have guessed he started out as a conservative Christian and never really dropped it.

They could have been more explicit about what actually happened when he was sacked.


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Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 08:30 AM

"Epigones"
It seems the perwsitant attack on somebody thirty years dead has now been extended to those guilty by association
WEhen will yhou people never learn - if you don't know ort understand what MacColl was about - leave him to lie in peace
As Peggy said, in her leter to'The Livin Tradition' - "He's no longer around to defend himself
If MacColl behaved to otherees the way you peoplestill do to him, he would have deserved twice as much shit poured on his memory than he is still getting
MacColl never attempted to 'persuade' any of those who work with him to sing in any way other than their own - we worked as a Group that shared ideas and opinions
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 09:01 AM

Sorry for the typos, but I'm sure it will give somebody pleasure to chew on
Did it in a hurry
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 09:25 AM

That weird vocal trick was a defect on otherwise brilliant soundtracks. Do you think differently? Would you WANT it repeated?


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Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 10:47 AM

I've yet to hear the programme Jack, the BBC doesn't like people living in Ireland listening to their programmes on line
I was referring to your small-minded necrophobia
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 10:54 AM

You haven't heard the Radio Ballads????


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Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 01:15 PM

Heard them all - and the actuality that went into making them
I understood this was a programme on Parker -
The Radio ballads were groundbreaking programmes - prizewinners, still regarded as the best made on the lives of working people - many of the songs made for them have become standards
MacColl's singing is a matter of personal taste - I likes it from the fisrt time I heard him sing and have all the records - his ballad singing was superb in my opinion
Hisd early recordings (which he couldn't bear to listen to himself) showed signs of a natural vibrato which he was fully aware of and fought against, (unlike some revival singers who cultivated it)
My response was to the typically nasty remark on his attitude to those he generously chose to work with (while those who spent a great deal of time knocking him) got on with their careers
MacColl and the Group left behind them nearly ten years of workshop generated research on the singing of folk songs - utterly unique, as far as I can see
It's thanks to snide attitudes such as yours that these remained largely unused and unexplored - more than a little disappointing considering the state of a folk revival that appears to have lost its way
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: Vic Smith
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 02:49 PM

Jack wrote:-
thank god he never persuaded any of his epigones to follow suit.

I'm not sure that "epigones" is the right word here, Jack. To me it carries quite a perjorative impression. One of my dictionaries defines it as "an inferior follower or imitator" I think that "adherent" or even "follower" on its own might be better in this context.
If we consider the members of the Critics Group, though there are some who sounded, certainly at the time, like "impersonators", it is not difficult to name people who were active in taking what MacColl had to offer and then built on it to make themselves more rounded performers. Names like Frankie Armstrong, Bob Blair and Sandra Kerr come to mind as those who blossomed into some of the finest that the folk scene has heard.


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Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 04:23 PM

Yes, Sandra Kerr and Frankie Armstrong were two people who I couldn't imagine ever making that braying noise.

I can't imagine where MacColl got the idea.


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Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 04:53 PM

Jack,
could it be that there were a few sheep around on Kinderscout.


On a more serious and important note the Beeb appear to be going through a "folky" phase. This Friday evening they have a programme on BBC 4 Television "Rock Island Line" and the recording that REALLY gave the folk scene a kick start here in he UK. Bily Bragg is presenting. I am not a fan of his music but I have to say he did an excellent job with his recent book.
The following Friday there is on the same channel a programme on Woody Guthrie and I don't believe that is a repeat of any previous programme.


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Subject: RE: Charles Parker BBC Radio 4 Sat 6 April
From: DaveRo
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 05:07 PM

Rock Island Line: The Song That Made Britain Rock

Woody Guthrie: Three Chords and the Truth


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