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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Jim Carroll 20 Aug 19 - 10:02 AM
Stanron 20 Aug 19 - 09:41 AM
Jim Carroll 20 Aug 19 - 09:31 AM
Stanron 20 Aug 19 - 08:47 AM
Iains 20 Aug 19 - 08:29 AM
Raggytash 20 Aug 19 - 07:35 AM
Stanron 20 Aug 19 - 07:29 AM
Jim Carroll 20 Aug 19 - 07:27 AM
Raggytash 20 Aug 19 - 07:08 AM
Stanron 20 Aug 19 - 07:00 AM
Raggytash 20 Aug 19 - 06:45 AM
Backwoodsman 20 Aug 19 - 06:38 AM
Iains 20 Aug 19 - 05:48 AM
Backwoodsman 20 Aug 19 - 04:54 AM
Iains 20 Aug 19 - 04:07 AM
Jim Carroll 20 Aug 19 - 03:06 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 10:02 AM

'Laissez-faire'
The policy that turned a Famine into a holocaust in 19th century Ireland
Taking Boris as an example, for the Tories 'less government' seems to mean the dictatorship of having one man in charge and a parliament with no say in the running of the country
Haven't they dried that ELSEWHERE ?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 09:41 AM

Raggytash wrote: I thought you were discussing farms and farmlands Stanron. I presumed you would be in favour of a "laissez faire" approach.

From Encyclopaedia Britannica

Laissez-faire, (French: “allow to do”), policy of minimum governmental interference in the economic affairs of individuals and society.

How can I be in favour of laissez-faire and leaving the EU. That would not be consistent. I am in favour of less government and that is consistent with leaving the EU.

With regard to sheep farming, laissez-faire would be change as little as possible so, as the UK pays the EU subsidy anyway, the smallest change is to continue subsidies to our sheep farms.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 09:31 AM

"Perhaps that's why the UK Lefties are so keen on it."
Fre Russia - now the most unequal of European State, and the most dangerous since Nazism, is a great exampleof Western freedom and democracy - innit ?
AS FOR ARMS SALES
MOST NOTABLY
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 08:47 AM

Iains wrote: As Gorbachov reputedly said:

The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe
Perhaps that's why the UK Lefties are so keen on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 08:29 AM

Even the BBC receives EU funding. As does the EU Arms industry.
How many factories relocated to eastern Europe from the UK with the aid of EU subsidies?
There is no point in taking agriculture in isolation. You need to consider thebig picture.

Rather like Brexit and the EU march towards:
Federalism
Common foreign policy
common defence force
harmonisation and centralisation of Taxation policies
control moving more and more to the center.


As Gorbachov reputedly said:

The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 07:35 AM

I thought you were discussing farms and farmlands Stanron. I presumed you would be in favour of a "laissez faire" approach.

If farmers are not good enough to turn a profit from their lands let them get on a bike and find work.

Please try to keep to the topic eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 07:29 AM

If you want a natural landscape, whatever that is, first get rid of human beings. I guess that would have to include UK lefties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 07:27 AM

"Nazanin Zaghawi Radcliffe,"
The irony of this, as with the Iranian prisoner, Aras Imiri (and possibly the hero of the 'illegal' Grenfell disaster) is that, as things are heading in Britain if by some miracle, they escaped or weer freed and tried to re-enter their home country, they would probably be incarcerated in one of those inhuman refugee camps until their case was heard
Refugees from terror stand to be major victims in Brexit's 'Brave New Britain'
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 07:08 AM

Well, for a start it is not a natural landscape. Secondly nature is pretty good at creating it's own wonderful landscapes. Three letting nature do it would be a lot cheaper.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 07:00 AM

Farmers viable for what? A lot of payments are for maintaining the landscape in a state suitable for tourism. Sheep farmers can't make money for wool and not all that much for meat but the sheep gaze the hills and make them look pretty. For this they get paid and why not?.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 06:45 AM

Surely if farms are not viable they should be allowed to go to the wall. That is what our resident right wingers believed was OK for mining, steelworks,manufacturing etc etc so why not farming.

Simple.


Having lit the blue touch paper I will retire to a safe distance!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 06:38 AM

I see on BBC News just now that it’s reported that our Village-Idiot incompetent PM’s victim, Nazanin Zaghawi Radcliffe, is now enduring conditions in prison which have ‘worsened significantly’, and that she is no longer allowed telephone contact with her husband.

Why on earth would anyone trust that moronic buffoon, who couldn’t even be bothered to understand the circumstances of Mrs. Radcliffe’s arrest and incarceration by a regime known to deal very harshly with those it considers to be its enemies, to successfully negotiate something so hugely important to us all as our departure from the EU?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 05:48 AM

If all farm supports are withdrawn immediately on Brexit then all sectors of British farming will face immediate bankruptcy. Obviously the deranged remainiacs believe this implicitly.
This will not happen. I suggest you read the expert's views and educate yourself.

The CAP has created a system of subsidies that has created a dependency on handouts. With an average payment of 250eu/hectare it is a nice little earner. The entire system needs a comprehensive overhaul
Even after Brexit subsidies will continue. They may be radically overhauled but they will still exist.

Simply another example of project fear by the unthinking!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 04:54 AM

Further to my previous post about EU farm subsidies, does anyone remember all those farmers with posters on their farm gates exhorting us to vote ‘Leave’? Loads of them in the rural area I live in....

Words like ‘Country’ and ‘Bumpkins’ spring to mind!

What on Earth did they expect?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 04:07 AM

The Remain fanatics have so far been subject to cognitive dissonance, but are now collapsing into madness. Well exemplified by their strict adherence to the Abbacus school of maths where losing a referendum wins.
Their delusions know no bounds.

http://commentcentral.co.uk/remainer-cognitive-dissonance-has-collapsed-into-madness/

Tis a joy to behold !


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 03:06 AM

"went on about project fear"
This level of argument describes perfectly the discussion of the few Brexiteers on this forum perfectly - a total refusal to engage in what is obviously happening - instead, the pushing of a aet line - it's like trying to argue with a recorded message
Theresa May had it down to a fine art - some of her best examples are now standard fodder for 'Have I Got News For You'
NICE SUMMING-UP HERE
ENTERTAINING ONE HERE
You've gorra larf
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 04:58 PM

there was a quote from the express 'newspaper' above at 5.24. aside from the usual squabbling on here is anyone else seriously disturbed about the way our country is going. if it was the deranged and vicious insults of an individual that would be troubling and a worry for the writer but this is a newspaper opinion?! jeez, we're in a mess here - i listened to a radioo discussion last night when 2 anxious parents (different calls) were describing their difficulties in getting medicines for their children (already happening due to stockpiling) 2 callers followed this by completely ignoring these calls and went on about project fear and 'not one iota of worry' about no deal. of course, one of the callers was a tory mp. it's gone beyond politics this situation - and beyond humanity in some cases.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 01:17 PM

Councils are now preparing for food shortages following Brexit
Worst effected are people on special diets, schools, hospitals, care homes
Some councils are planning for food rationing Hastings has been mentioned in particular
Otherwise known as 'standing on your own two feet'
YOU'VE GORRA LAFF, AIN'CHA

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 10:39 AM

DMcG - I’m fairly sure that a lot of things people take for granted at the moment will disappear or become far more difficult after The Blond Buffoon-Puppet has driven us over the cliff-edge of a hard Brexit come Hallowe’en.

Reminds me of all the daft farmers who, almost to a man, voted Leave, and were then surprised and shocked to learn that the rotten, mean EU would no longer give them their EU subsidy hand-outs once we’re out!

You couldn’t make it up!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 09:57 AM

I am not commenting on what anyone else has said, but we may be affected by the business of Priti Patel's idea.

My Italian daughter-in-law's father is visiting her from his home in Milan at the start of November. It is completely unclear whether he will be able to. In time, I would imagine a visitor's Visa would sort it.   But as of today, you cannot apply for one if you live in the EU. And even if you found a way to apply the site says "You should get a decision on your Visa within 3 weeks." Somehow I don't see that getting dramatically faster around the magic date. So unless all this is sorted by mid October, the visit to see his grand-daughter looks as if it might be off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Rain Dog
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 09:40 AM

It seems the address was too long for the "Make a link"

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_abroad/freedom_of_movement_within_the_eu/common_travel_area_between_ireland_and_the_uk.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Rain Dog
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 09:36 AM

Common Travel Area between Ireland and the United Kingdom

From the link above

"On 8 May 2019, the Irish and UK governments signed a Memorandum of Understanding (pdf) reaffirming the Common Travel Area and identifying the rights and privileges of Irish and UK citizens within the CTA. It also reaffirms the commitment to maintain the CTA following Brexit"

and

"The UK’s withdrawal from the European Union (EU) will not affect the rights of Irish citizens and UK citizens within the Common Travel Area. The right to live, work and access public services in the Common Travel Area will be protected, regardless of the outcome of the Brexit negotiations."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 09:25 AM

Just been the major feature on the BBC news R.D.
I don't understand it either
The last border watchtower was dismantled in 2006 which "ended the border as a visible entity" but it still remains a border - I'm assuming it has something to do with that fact
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Rain Dog
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 09:14 AM

As I posted earlier in this thread, a lot of nonsense is spoken about what will and will not happen after Brexit.

Jim posted "Freedom of movement will end immediately after Brexit is declared
Patel the main instigator - devastating for those living in Northern Ireland"

As things stand and as indeed they stood before we joined the EU, movement between the UK and Ireland is governed by Common Travel Area agreement and, as of today, there has been no mentioned of that changing after Brexit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 08:15 AM

Freedom of movement will end immediately after Brexit is declared
Patel the main instigator - devastating for those living in Northern Ireland
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 05:24 PM

The Express has a wonderful summary of the remainiacs posturing.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1167131/brexit-EU-news-comment-Grieve-Hammond-Remain-leave-Baldwin

"Welcome to the worldview of Britain's new and appalling breed of anti-politician - the McDonnells, Hammonds, Grieves and Corbyns who scorn your opinion and hold your democracy in contempt. Oddly they appear to have no party allegiance. These political cockroaches scuttle into the daylight from all corners, under Tory floorboards, behind Labour cupboards and beneath Lib Dem rocks, seemingly united in only one thing - a crazed determination to overturn the democratic decision to leave the European Union.

So this week we find ourselves in the jaw-dropping position of having senior, grown-up politicians seriously proposing Jeremy Corbyn should seize power in some sort of cockeyed coup d'etat.

Jeremy Corbyn. VHS video in human form – an outdated, irrelevant, throwback to the 1980s, no longer of any use to anyone, and superseded by far better alternatives.

Everyone knows this.

Even Jeremy Corbyn knows this.

Jeremy Corbyn, an ageing, unreconstructed Marxist who still thinks he's fighting Thatcher and supporting the miners. Jeremy Corbyn, who now runs a party too gutless to make a decision on Brexit and too riven with anti-semitism to ever be electable. Jeremy Corbyn, an Islington cous-cous eater who wouldn't know a Scunthorpe steel mill or a Glasgow shipyard if he fell over one."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 05:05 PM

Wrong!The departure date was enshrined in law until changed by a statutory instrument.

Section 20(1) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018,defined ‘exit day’ as 29 March 2019 at 11pm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 03:04 PM

"This means that the UK was SCHEDULED to cease being a member of the EU at the end of 29 March 2019 Brussels time (UTC+1)"

My capital Iains, it was an asperation, not enshrined in law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 01:20 PM

The news over here is concentrating on the fact that this document proves that Jonson is lying about a hard border
He say there is no need for one - the now published document says a hard border is inevitably
Methinks Brexit-man speaks with forked tongue - but we all knew that already
The government are now running around like headless chickens claiming the document is a 'worst case scenario' - nowhere in the document does it state that
More lies
How low are these people going to drag Britain down and how long are the decent British people going to allow them to do so?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 11:26 AM

I posted a little while ago suggesting that we ignore the troll and talk past him. This is the advice that all three moderators have been giving us, some public, some private, and they do use the word troll. My post was deleted. Not my gig, not moaning, just observing a bit of an oddity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 11:09 AM

An interesting poll result from Yougov
(From the font of accurate tidings, The one and only Guido)

https://order-order.com/2019/08/17/yougov-brits-prefer-no-deal-brexit-pm-corbyn/

More people prefer no deal to Compo the cabbage patch king!
What a delight it must be, to be so popular!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 10:01 AM

INTERESTING HINDSIGHT IN VIEW OF TODAY'S REVELATIONS
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 09:53 AM

Martial law here we come, it would appear
It is to be noted that the opinions of the people wouldn't be worth a tuppeny fuck if it didn't coincide with those of the Brexiteers, as has been demonstrated admirably here - the hardships of working people now being admitted and planned for by the government make that quite plain
When the people attempted to protect their jobs or demand a living wage they became 'the enemy within"
If they elected a government which attempted to better peoples' conditions, I have little doubt that the State would follow the example of Thatcher's friend Pinochet, and turn out the troops - 'The Iron Lady confirmed this herself when she described this mass murderer "a true democrat"
Johnson is already girding the musicles of the forces of law and order to keep the people whose opinions are so important when it comes to Brexit in their place
It's a crying shame that the more intelligent of the Brexiteers on this forum have refused to take a proper part in this debate and we are left with what we are left with
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 09:22 AM

No counter argument shaw?

A small majority of the people who voted said they wanted to leave.
Not a majority of the people please note.


Leave         17,410,742         51.89%
Remain         16,141,241         48.11%
Valid votes         33,551,983         99.92%
Invalid or blank votes         25,359         0.08%
Total votes         33,577,342         100.00%
Registered voters/turnout         46,500,001         72.21%
A clear and distinct majority. Remember a majority of just one is required.

At no time do I ever recall a time frame being laid down and agreed to. I do!


Invocation of Article 50 occurred on 29 March 2017, when Sir Tim Barrow, the Permanent Representative of the United Kingdom to the European Union, formally delivered by hand a letter signed by Prime Minister Theresa May to Donald Tusk, the President of the European Council in Brussels. The letter also contained the United Kingdom's intention to withdraw from the European Atomic Energy Community (EAEC or Euratom). This means that the UK was scheduled to cease being a member of the EU at the end of 29 March 2019 Brussels time (UTC+1)

Facts dear boy, FACTS! and more facts below


And it must be remembered that MPs have voted by a majority of 384 to allow Prime Minister Theresa May to get Brexit negotiations under way.
They backed the government's European Union Bill(ie Article 50), supported by the Labour leadership, by 498 votes to 114.
But the SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Liberal Democrats opposed the bill, while 47 Labour MPs and Tory ex-chancellor Ken Clarke rebelled.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 08:11 AM

The Brish Govenment are now preparing to take emergency measures because Brexit has proved an overwhelming fuck-up - fact
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 07:54 AM

Wrong Iains.

A small majority of the people who voted said they wanted to leave.

Not a majority of the people please note.

At no time do I ever recall a time frame being laid down and agreed to.

That I think is a figment of your imagination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 07:49 AM

Democracy states we should have left the EU long ago. Fact!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 06:50 AM

Johnson has already said he will over-ride Parliament to get Brexit through - bang goes your 'democracy' with one bing of the tweet key
This secret document is preparation for a coup, in my opinion
I'm beginning to think the promises of more prisons, longer sentences and the returns of practices long abandoned, like Suss, are not just sops to the electorate - they are moves to strengthen the position of the establishment (which, in the past, has been used to bring the members of that establishment into line with the wishes of the top people)
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 06:27 AM

This talk of an interim government is premature. There are hoops that still have to be jumped through first.

However.

Here's what I really think. This country is still just about a democracy. If the government falls, any interim administration should first be attempted by the leader of the opposition and no-one else. The people who are saying they won't work under Corbyn are playing into the hands of Johnson and will guarantee a no-deal brexit. Soft-right Tories such a Soubry, Grieve and co are letting silly ideology get in the way of the country's best interests (which, of course, they claim to recognise). The idiot-leader of the LibDems is labouring under the time-honoured LibDem delusion that the LibDems are going to be in charge anytime soon so is stupidly distancing herself from Corbyn (but note her rapid back-tracking). Yep, the LibDems who lied about tuition fees and enabled ten years of misery for the working classes and who made brexit possible by shoring up Cameron. The LibDems, unprincipled Tories in reality, who will do absolutely ANYTHING to get their feet under the cabinet table. And they think we won't mention it in the next election campaign.

Unfortunately, though it's yet to be electorally tested, I think that Corbyn's star has fallen. There's no time to replace him just now, so we work with him now or we get a no-deal brexit. There's nothing for it. No-one has to promise to enact Labour policies. There will be an election very soon in any case. It would be a single-issue administration, an issue on which the overwhelming majority of MPs supposedly agree. Time for the holding of noses. It won't be for long.

One last thing. The people who are proposing Harriet Harman (fer chrissake) or Keir Starmer as alternatives to Jezza are liars. If these right-wing ex-Blairites get their way, they know that Corbyn will be fatally undermined and won't be able to pick up the reins again. The ulterior motives are flying around all over the place in our politics. You wouldn't think there was a national emergency on, would you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 06:02 AM

Back to Brexit
From this morning's Sunday Times

Jim Carroll

OPERATION CHAOS: Whitehall’s secret no-deal plan leaked
The Sunday Times obtains the government’s classified Yellowhammer’report in full
Rosamund Urwin and Caroline Wheeler

Britain faces shortages of fuel, food and medicine, a three-month melt¬down at its ports, a hard border with Ireland and rising costs in social care in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to an unprece¬dented leak of government docu¬ments that lay bare the gaps in contingency planning.
The documents, which set out the most likely aftershocks of a no-deal Brexit rather than worst- case scenarios, have emerged as the UK looks increasingly likely to crash out of the EU without a deal.
Compiled this month by the Cab¬inet Office under the codename Operation Yellowhammer, the dos¬sier offers a rare glimpse into the covert planning being carried out by the government to avert a cata¬strophic collapse in the nation’s infrastructure.
The file, marked “official-sensitive” - requiring security clearance on a “need to know” basis - is remarkable because it gives a comprehensive assessment of the UK’s readiness for a no-deal Brexit.
It states that the public and busi¬nesses remain largely unprepared for no deal and that growing “ÉU exit fatigue” has hampered contin¬gency planning which has stalled since the UK’s original departure date in March.
A senior Whitehall source said: “This is not Project Fear - this is the most realistic assessment of what the public face with no deal. These are likely, basic, reasonable scenarios - not the worst case.”
The revelations include:

* The UK government expects the return of a hard border in Ireland as current plans to avoid widespread checks will prove “unsustainable”; this may spark protests, road block¬ages and “direct action”

* Logjams caused by months of border delays could “affect fuel distribution”, potentially disrupting the fuel supply in London and the southeast of England

* Up to 85% cf lorries using the main Channel crossings “may not be ready” for French customs and could face delays of up to 2 1/2 days

* Significant disruption at ports will last up to three months before the flow of traffic “improves” to 50-70% of the current rate

* Petrol import tariffs, which the government has set at 0%, will “inadvertently” lead to the closure of two oil refineries, 2,000 job losses, widespread strike action and disruptions to availability

* Passenger delays at EU airports, St Pancras, Eurotunnel and Dover

* Medical supplies will “be vulnerable to severe extended delays” as three-quarters of the UK’s medicines enter the country via the main Channel crossings

*The availability of fresh food will
be reduced and prices will rise. This th could hit “vulnerable groups” Sp

*Potential clashes between UK wl and European Economic Area fishing vessels amid predictions that 282 ships will sail in British waters illegally on Brexit day        
* Protests across the UK, which Ui may “require significant amounts of police resources]

* Rising costs will hit social care, with “smaller providers impacted within 2-3 months and larger providers 4-6 months after exit”

* Gibraltar will face delays of more than four hours at the border with Spain “for at least a few months”, which are likely to “adversely impact” its economy

The revelations come as Boris Johnson signals that he would set a date for a general election after the UK has left the EU if Jeremy Corbyn succeeds in a vote of no confidence - preventing rebels from being able to stop a no-deal Brexit.
Johnson is preparing to hold talks with France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, and Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, ahead of this week’s G7 summit in Biarritz. But No 10 was last night playing down any prospect of a Brexit breakthrough and Germany believes no deal is “highly likely”.
The leak of the YeUowhammer dossier underlines the frustration within Whitehall over the lack of transparency surrounding preparations for leaving the EU. “Successive UK governments have a long history of failing to prepare their citizens to be resilient for their own emergencies,” said a Cabinet Office source.
The absence of a clear picture of the UK’s future relationship with the EU has hindered preparations as it “does not provide a concrete situation for third parties to prepare for”, the document states.
Some of the bleakest predictions relate to goods crossing the French border. The file says that on the first day of no deal between “50% and 85% of HGVs travelling via the short channel straits [the main crossings between France and England] may not be ready for French customs, reducing the flow of freight lorries to between 40- 60%”
of current levels”. Unready lorries will “fill the ports and block flow” and the worst disruption to the main crossings could last for “up to three months before it improves by a significant level, to around 50-70%” of current levels.
Despite Johnson repeatedly saying during the Tory leadership cam¬paign that there will be “clean drinking water” in the event of no deal, the document raises the possibility that a failure in the chemical supply chain could “affect up to 100,000s of people”.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Aug 19 - 04:32 PM

Somebody fancies himself an aristocrat?

From here

The French Revolutionary era was where the terms Left-wing politics and Right-wing politics first originated.

The reason for the terms to become used at all was the seating of the ancien régime of France at that time. The aristocrats sat on the right, and the commoners sat on the left. So these terms evolved to mean so that right-wing politics refer to politics for aristocratic and royal interests, while left-wing politics refer to republicanism, socialism, and civil liberties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Aug 19 - 04:16 PM

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has insisted he should be caretaker prime minister to stop a 'disastrous' no-deal Brexit. His proposal has been knocked back by Lib-dems and pro-remain Tories.
It has the makings of a new Carry On film
. "Carry on Squabbling"
Meanwhile Tic Toc !

Ecclesiastes 10:2
A wise man's heart inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Aug 19 - 03:51 AM

HERE'S BREXIT
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Aug 19 - 07:05 AM

MORE PANIC-MONGERING FROM THE LOONEY LEFT
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Aug 19 - 06:49 AM

SIGH.....!!!!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Aug 19 - 06:29 AM

Much more sensible to consult the oracle than to rely on tittle tattle!


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-nationals-in-the-eu-benefits-and-pensions-in-a-no-deal-scenario


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Aug 19 - 06:25 AM

If they are pensioners why would they need a job stacking shelves? They will get a pension entitlement of a guaranteed minimum even if their NI contributions are incomplete. More project fear!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Aug 19 - 05:25 AM

"Talk past him, David, not to him"
Amen to that
What I can't understand is why the Brexiteers here with degrees of intelligence don't care enough about Britain to even deny what is happening to Britain
I was speaking to my Welsh optician a couple of days ago - he is now panicking about what is happening to our future as Brits living in Ireland
He said Brexteets he has spoken to seem to have taken the three wisew monkeys stance, see nowt, hear nowt, say nowt
I learned recently that I have lost some of the benefits we were given as pensioners in expectation of Britain crashing out - there are several million of us all over Europe now in the same boat
Many will be forced to return to Britain jobless ad possibly homeless
The way employment now works in Britain, they'll be lucky if they can get jobs stacking shelves in Tescos
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Aug 19 - 05:23 AM

Compo's cunning plan to become PM by stealth/coup is not well received by some.

Anna Soubry MP?
@Anna_Soubry
1/4 I am disappointed Jeremy Corbyn did not include me in his letter especially as there are five MP members of our party.
Our exclusion and the preference for a General Election rather than an immediate People’s Vote leads me to conclude this is nothing more than a stunt.

Meanwhile we have a few more weeks of the silly season while they all squabble amongst themselves.
The Brexiteers are wisely keeping their powder dry for the main event.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Aug 19 - 05:16 AM

The remainers get more hysterical with every passing day!


and here is some more nonsense:
Hickory, dickory, dock,
The mouse ran up the clock;
The clock struck one,
And down he run,
Hickory, dickory, dock.


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