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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Nigel Parsons 04 Apr 19 - 09:17 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Apr 19 - 08:59 AM
Nigel Parsons 04 Apr 19 - 08:58 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 08:20 AM
Donuel 04 Apr 19 - 08:03 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 08:12 AM
peteaberdeen 04 Apr 19 - 07:37 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 07:30 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 07:30 AM
peteaberdeen 04 Apr 19 - 07:09 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 07:03 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 06:56 AM
Iains 04 Apr 19 - 06:50 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 06:41 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 06:37 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 06:31 AM
Nigel Parsons 04 Apr 19 - 06:23 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 05:58 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 05:55 AM
Iains 04 Apr 19 - 05:37 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 05:15 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 05:15 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 05:07 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 04:39 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 09:17 AM

Steve Shaw: or get her to agree to put her deal (or whatever version of it they come up with) to the country in another referendum. Her deal or remain.
But as most of those in favour of Brexit look on Mrs May's deal as BRINO (Brexit in name only) you would suggest putting to the public a referendum where the only two options were to remain in the EU. That would be a victory for Remain whatever the result.
As the Leave campaign won the first referendum, any further referendum would have to include an option which clearly got us out of the EU.

Would you, Steve, give us your opinion on how you would answer DMcG' question?

Let's take that a stage further. According to rumour one of the things the cabinet discussed was using alternative votes for the government indicative votes with these options:

A: May's Deal
B: Labour's Deal
C: No deal
D: Revoke.

(No doubt with an amendable bill a second referendum and Malthouse compromise would be proposed as amendments, but they were not options being suggested.)


As an MP, you have to rank them. No option to say you would rather do something else, that's what's on the order paper. What would your order be?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 08:59 AM

Apropos of the meetings between May and Corbyn, there are just two ways in which Jeremy can come out of this unscathed: walk away, and soon, or get her to agree to put her deal (or whatever version of it they come up with) to the country in another referendum. Her deal or remain. Anything that alters her deal simply in order to get it through Parliament makes him the brexit midwife (a phrase not of my invention). Walk away or force a referendum, Jezza. And I hate referendums.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 08:58 AM

DMcG:
But if Nigel and Iains are typical, revoke could give a much stronger showing than that if it survived the first round.

I put 'Revoke' in second place on the basis that Mrs May's 'deal' leaves us worse off than we were before, and the Labour Party deal has never been spelt out, but is not likely to be any improvement over Mrs may's deal.

If we can't get out with either a good deal, or with WTO terms, then at least revoking Article 50 will leave us in the position we were in prior to June 2016. We would have the opportunity to issue Article 50 again at a later date, after all the ramifications had been fully discussed, and an intended way forward in place.

As for a second referendum (which might become necessary if Article 50 was revoked). You didn't ask about it so I didn't respond (as you clearly stated).

If Jim wants to increase the scope of the question maybe he would like to ask his own, or at least give his response to your original one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 08:20 AM

Bastard is a response to your lying (as you have done in denying your persistent and obvious racism)
Hardly a derogatorty nickname, especially when it is an accurate description
A reminder of what you denied saying
and of course the returning traffic carrying 40% of the food to Claire will face the exact same problems- THAT should wipe the smirk off your face! >
Enough I think - I've allowed you to show yourself up quite adequately - one can take only so much recreation in one day
Move on - nothing to be seen here
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 08:03 AM

peteaberdeen you are right about the "none of this matters anyway".
Collapse of Earth and climate for human needs are proceeding with more far reaching events and effects than Brexit and political intrigue.
6,000 years from now a mosquito fart will have more importance than Brexit stupidity.
Brexit is one of a million dominos lined up and ready to fall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 08:12 AM

It's just been announced that The DUP has accused the government of being about to do a U-turn on a second referendum - not sure what they are basing that on - fingers crossed though

"one particularly irritating habit is to give other posters supposedly derogatory 'nicknames' - pete"
Stopped doing that a long time ago - at Joe Offer's request
Can't do much about my typos unless I cut my typing speed
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 07:37 AM

one particularly irritating habit is to give other posters supposedly derogatory 'nicknames' - pete


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 07:30 AM

"The second referendum option was not amongst the options purportedly discussed in cabinet"
I was not referring to your list, but to the fact that a second referendum is not being considered as an option by any of the Brexiteers
One of the things that has become quite clear about the necessity of one is that i has now become quite obvious that it is not in Britain's either short or long term interests to leave Europe - the Statement by the had of the Bank of England yesterday has confirmed that
To go ahead knowing this would be economic and social suicide, so the people need to be allowed to confirm their wishes

Pater
I wouldn't take too much notice of someone incapable of admitting that 'bog=trotter' and 'Plastic Paddy' are long standing offensive racist terms especially as he is the only user of them on this Forum
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 07:30 AM

"The second referendum option was not amongst the options purportedly discussed in cabinet"
I was not referring to your list, but to the fact that a second referendum is not being considered as an option by any of the Brexiteers
One of the things that has become quite clear about the necessity of one is that i has now become quite obvious that it is not in Britain's either short or long term interests to leave Europe - the Statement by the had of the Bank of England yesterday has confirmed that
To go ahead knowing this would be economic and social suicide, so the people need to be allowed to confirm their wishes

Pater
I wouldn't take too much notice of someone incapable of admitting that 'bog=trotter' and 'Plastic Paddy' are long standing offensive racist terms especially as he is the only user of them on this Forum
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 07:09 AM

i have tried to ignore iain, he's just so offensive, and clearly happy to be defined that way. now i'm starting to be a little concerned about his sanity -he doesn't come across as very happy. once we get into quoting old testament stuff (not sure for what purpose here) that way proper madness lies.

(deuteronomy 24 reckons that if you have a disobedient child you should take him to the edge of the village and stone him to death. and don't even get him started on the horrors of shellfish or wearing mixed fibres...)

anyway, seriously iain- lighten up, none of this matters really...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 07:03 AM

If I do read Iains correctly as implying 'revoke' as his second choice like Nigel, that is quite a revelation to me and, I suspect, to cabinet. I am sure their strategy is that because Cherry's amendment did so badly, and because of shouts of "denying democracy", the cabinet assumed revoke would end up in last place in the first round and was only put in as a sop. Since they are the larger party, May's deal is likely to win out over a Labour proposal. So I think they are fairly confident May's deal would win in an Alternative Vote play-off. But if Nigel and Iains are typical, revoke could give a much stronger showing than that if it survived the first round.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 06:56 AM


DMcG I would have thought I made my position quite clear



Nothing like as clear as putting A, B, C and D in some order, Iains. Are you saying you have the same order as Nigel?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 06:50 AM

Can't imagine anything more stupid than denying racism by using racist abuse - every bit as stupid as denying the threatening nature of Brexit with your usual anonymous abusive web-creeping would-be bullying
Still waiting for examples of my racism. Your last attempt merely made you look rather silly.(a familiar position for you to be in.)
You are losing it jimmie.

What is threatening about carrying out the clearly stated wishes of the majority? Yet again you display your bigotry and stupidity.
Shall I send you copies of the Janet and John books on how to construct a rational argument, or have you yet to progress beyond colouring books?

DMcG I would have thought I made my position quite clear.
No deal or stay in and send an army of wannabe Farages to the EU parliament and fight the good fight from within.
Future elections both in the UK and Europe will clearly show the electorate will not be sidestepped by treachery.
When democracy is being abandoned you are lucky that so far opposition is only words.

"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind", which in turn comes from the chapter 8 of the Book of Hosea in the Old Testament.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 06:41 AM


Hard to notice that the voter's right to confirm their original decision appears nowhere on your list Nigel - Where has all the democracy gone ?


Sorry, Jim, but Nigel is doing exactly what I asked. The second referendum option was not amongst the options purportedly discussed in cabinet so I specifically excluded that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 06:37 AM

Hard to notice that the voter's right to confirm their original decision appears nowhere on youtr list Nigel - Where has all the democracy gone ?
Nobody can remotely claim that things haven't both clarified or changed since the referendum
Some Labour MPs are demanding that second Referendum be a condition of Labour's co-operation - a sign that someone in Parliament understands the term 'democracy'
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 06:31 AM

Thanks, Nigel. That is very much what I would have predicted, for you, Iains and Stanron. My biggest uncertainty is where revoke would fit in the rankings for each of you.

I agree there is no real definition of what exactly Labour's deal would be (and as I have before I think no more highly of red unicorns than blue ones), but I think we will all agree it would some form of closer alignment than May is proposing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 06:23 AM

DMcG:
C: No deal
D: Revoke.
A: May's Deal (But if I had a vote on these options I would list only 1st & 2nd preferences)
B: Labour's Deal (Do we know what this is?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 05:58 AM

"something you should be extremely familiar with"
You've made sure all of us are Iains
Can't imagine anything more stupid than denying racism by using racist abuse - every bit as stupid as denying the threatening nature of Brexit with your usual anonymous abusive web-creeping would-be bullying
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 05:55 AM

It is entirely up to you, Iain, if you face up to putting those options in order. But I have to say it looks more like you are adopting Violet Elizabeth's approach of "I'll thcream and thcream until I'm thick. I can!" rather than, say 1 Corinthians 13:11 (as I know you like the occasional biblical reference.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 05:37 AM

I should correct myself. Bercow cast a vote on Benn's motion to hijack the proceedings of the house.
The motion for denying no deal Brexit passed by a majority of one
(Fiona Onasanya trapsed through the Aye lobby complete with electronic ankle tag…)
A majority of one to frustrate no deal that frustrates a majority leave vote of 17.4 million. That is not democracy.

I find it quite incredible that the referendum majority voters are compared to a terrorist organisation whereas the remainiacs are regarded as being pure as driven snow by leftards here.
But as they are all staunch Corbinistas I suppose it should be no surprise.

a patriot

Another raw nerve touched
Don't fink so!
Just pointing out he is a purveyor of abject stupidity (something you should be extremely familiar with)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 05:15 AM

BREXIT TALIBAN
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 05:15 AM

BREXIT TALIBAN
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 05:07 AM

Another raw nerve touched
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 04:39 AM

And after that protest, how would you rank the choices, Iain? As an MP, the house would be calling on you to vote. Telling it you are unhappy is all very well, but a vote is needed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 04:34 AM

Interesting comment yesterday about the motion on no deal where the speaker had to follow convention(to his utter partisan disgust)and cast his tiebreaker vote for nay.That one vote that tipped the balance could have been Labour's Fiona Onasanya, convicted for perverting the course of justice, wearing an electronic tag.

The bill itself, lest we forget, was proposed by Labour expenses fiddler Yvette Cooper who flipped her house several times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 04:33 AM

Just spotted a good phrase to describe those who call those who wish to remain in the EU "remoaners" and want to force their views on everyone else. Brexitaliban :-)

On a more serious note, I concur with your choices DMcG.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 04:18 AM

What is on offer is the bastard son of what was voted for.
Tied to the EU by a treaty with no representation.
For those with no knowledge of history it is worth pointing out that the
War of Independence, also known as the American Revolution and the Revolutionary War, was fought from 1775 to 1783 between Great Britain and the 13 British colonies in North America.No taxation without representation" is a slogan originating during the 1700s that summarized one of 27 colonial grievances of the American colonists in the Thirteen Colonies, which was one of the major causes of the American Revolution.
representatives can be nominated ,check your facts
Pray tell why the rush for a deal before the EU elections. Unless we have an election we will have no MEPs. Representatives are a totally different category of officials
May's Treaty leaves us locked in paying all sorts of reparations with no voice in the matter. It is many magnitudes worse than remaining members.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 04:16 AM

Let's take that a stage further. According to rumour one of the things the cabinet discussed was using alternative votes for the government indicative votes with these options:

A: May's Deal
B: Labour's Deal
C: No deal
D: Revoke.

(No doubt with an amendable bill a second referendum and Malthouse compromise would be proposed as amendments, but they were not options being suggested.)


As an MP, you have to rank them. No option to say you would rather do something else, that's what's on the order paper. What would your order be?

Mine would be
Revoke
Labour
May
No deal

What would others say?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 03:49 AM

For all of that, Ians and Stanron, we have to go with something. Obviously your first choice is no deal, we understand that. The question was, if that is blocked for whatever reason, do you support the Withdrawal Agreement or remain? From what Ians wrote, it looks like remain for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 03:49 AM

If we do not have a clean break we need representatives in the EU Parliament.
incorrect, representatives can be nominated ,check your facts


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 03:17 AM

A REALITY CHECK FOR TORIES
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 03:01 AM

Corbyn is a far from a 'revolutionary socialist' as you can get (total waste of time to ask for examples to back up to this claim)
He is an old guard Humanist Socialist of the type that helped create the promised "Home fit for heroes to live in" following the war
He's read Marx - most people who have an active interest in politics have - Thatcher boasted she had, as have numerous Tory leaders   

The head of the Bank of England yesterday described the STEADY DECLINE in the British economy yesterday and laid the blame squarely on Brexit - he said that crashing out would be catastrophic   
I was talking with a friend whose work as lecturer took him to Germany a few months ago - as a good Catholic, he was stunned at the official resurgence of an interest in Marx as a serious economist
As a young man Marx was a revolutionary, but his main work was as an Economist - 'Young Karl Marx is worth seeing (especially for mancunians)
Along with 'The Death of Stalin', it ranks as one of the best films ever made, in my opinion - both should be on any education curriculum

As someone whose sole income is a British State pension, the way things have gone and continue to go, it's ludicrous for a Tory to raise the issue of pensions - they become less valuable by the month
I suggest they go check on exactly what they are before they suggest that anybody can possibly live on them
Tory Policies (pursued by both parties to date) have led to a steady fall in the BRITISH STANDARD OF LIVING and the economic forecasts suggest twenty years of economic instability
I don't think any Tory is in a position to a claim of being taken seriously since the Brexit Show has bombed the way it has
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 09:29 PM

"We'll get what we get. Probably a rubbish deal."

What you said after nine years of Tory Britain. Stick to the point for once. YOU voted brexit, YOU voted May. YOU forgot to be careful what you wished for. This is a one hundred percent Tory mess, spawned by that man Cameron, who YOU also voted for. One hundred percent your mess. If you don't get what you want, tough shit, mate. Don't blame anyone else. The whole planet and his dog now knows that we are a damn sight better off staying as we are. That's what I've voted for all along. You and your sorry ilk did this to us, and, if we leave, you can be damn sure that we won't let you forget it. So no wonder you can never stick to the point. No "Marxist" ever got anywhere near this bloody mess. Your pension, if it gets hit, will be hit by a bloody mess that you Tories created all by your silly selves. So don't even think of blaming us. And I haven't even read any Marx.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 09:14 PM

I 'voted for her' in Manchester. A safe Labour seat.

Of course you favour Corbyn. He's a revolutionary socialist. What's that likely to do for your pension?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 09:00 PM

Well you voted for her!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 08:30 PM

I agree. We should leave on WTO rules and then see what offers come our way. No one in our government has the nerve to implement this kind of exit. No one has the courage to stand up for our long term interests.

We'll get what we get. Probably a rubbish deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 08:15 PM

Example of No Deal
According to the German association of the automotive industry, the country last year(2017 exported 769,000 cars to the UK, its single largest export market.If the UK were to join in a tariff war, the industry would suffer the commercial equivalent of a cardiac arrest.

Do you seriously think No Deal would cause anything other than a short term dislocation?
It is not the abyss it is painted to be. The only scare story that has come to pass is the reek of bullsh*t


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 08:14 PM

It takes a worried man
To sing a worried song...

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 07:56 PM

What May is offering is not a deal,it is an international treaty that in many respects is worse than what we have now. It is not brexit, it is a betrayal. It is such a betrayal her own party cannot support it, she has to go cap in hand to a marxist. Her puppet masters must be very pleased by her performance. The only thing that May is offering is fetters and chains with the keys firmly held by the EU bureaucrats
17.4 million are still waiting for an election commitment to be honoured.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 04:03 PM

Perhaps after 3 years reality is starting to dawn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 03:58 PM

Exactly what I thought when I read his post, DMcG - he's described his preference for precisely what we have right now as members of the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 03:32 PM

So remain is better than her deal in your view. Not your first choice, of course, but that is the case you make.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 03:07 PM

If we do not have a clean break we need representatives in the EU Parliament. May's treaty hamstrings us where we are subject to EU law and taxation with no seat at the negotiating table.
We fetter ourselves to taxation without representation.

It is neither fish nor fowl, simply foul!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 02:38 PM

I do not believe that everyone who voted leave voted for a no dealbrexit i have talked to some who wanted the uk to be a similiar position to norway


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM


Facebook ads run secretly run by staff of Lynton Crosby


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 02:24 PM

Very interesting article in the Guardian now highlighting some dirty tricks, alledgedly, by the leave campaign.

Seems some of their supporters have been paying for an advertising campaign on Facebook.

Could someone please link to the article 'Facebook Brexit Ad's secretly run by staff of former Tory advisors company'


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 02:15 PM

Had my fun
If you can't stand by what you said, don't say it or you'll later have to lie about it
Thanks for yet another display of Brexiteering - all goes into the profile (espacially the creativity that goes into it - genius - utter original genius)
G'night
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 01:41 PM

You're a lying bastard

and of course the returning traffic carrying 40% of the food to Claire will face the exact same problems- THAT should wipe the smirk off your face!

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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 01:14 PM

Isn't it great to see two partiots sneering at Britain's dilemma
On par with one of them gloating that Ireland would be dragged down into the swamp Brexit has created, higher up this thread
Humanity and compassion rules OK in their world - Nigel and Tommy should be proud of you
Ji, Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Apr 19 - 12:08 PM

"Vote Leave, Get Remain.
Vote May, Get Corbyn.
Any Deal is Better than No Deal.
Ad vomitum. Even God himself appears to have had enough of this disingenuous lot."


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