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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Iains 19 Jul 19 - 02:23 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 02:23 PM

The County Court has ruled in favour of Darren Grimes’ appeal, exonerating him of the Electoral Commission’s kangaroo court imposed fine. The Commission’s argument for their egregious fine hinged on Darren’s accidental registering as an individual campaigner rather than a group. The Court has found that this is clearly disproportionate for ticking the wrong box…
Responding to the news, Darren said that “today’s verdict is a victory against the Remain Establishment which has done all it can to try and discredit the biggest electoral victory in this country’s history.”
While the Government spent almost half a million pounds fighting him, crowdfunding aided Darren’s appeal helping to raise over £90,000 to take the fight back to the Remain establishment. The average donation was just £30…

I wonder if any resignations will emanate from this clearly unfit for purpose quango?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 12:56 PM

The discussion in the by-ways of Parliament is getting more and more off the wall. According to the Independent "Senior Tories are considering changing *party rules* to stop Boris Johnson facing a no-confidence vote within the first year of being prime minister, by preventing a vote of no-confidence in the leader being called until they had been in office for at least 12 months."

The Conservative party can introduce any party rule changes it likes. A confidence vote in Parliament is about whether the PM is able to command a majority of the House or not, and is typically called by the opposition. It is not under the control of the Tory party. Now, if it wants to add to the gaiety of the situation by potentially having a Tory PM who is different to the Tory Party leader they can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 12:18 PM

The silliest thing about Johnson's antics with the kipper is that it perfectly illustrates one of the arguments the remainers have been making.

Our kipper supplier was based in the Isle of Man. To sell into the UK, since it is NOT a part of the UK, it has no choice whatsoever but to abide by the regulations the UK sets, unless it wants to cease trading with us. In precisely the same way, UK manufacturers will have no choice but to abide by the EU standards if they wish to sell to it. As far as that is concerned, it matters not a jot whether we are inside the EU or not. Of course, inside we can influence the regulations, whereas outside we cannot. In the UK we can, if we want, have different standards. But unless they are a strict superset of the EU ones, we can't sell to the EU.

A business could choose to have two manufacturing streams - an EU regulated one and an non-EU regulated one. Apart from the wastage arising from that, they would forever be having to prove they have not 'cross-contaminated' the streams, with all the costs that implies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 11:44 AM

The swede is also known as the Swedish turnip, Russian turnip or, in Scotland, just neeps. I think anyone but the most pedantic of nitpickers just spoiling for a fight understands what Raggy meant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 11:24 AM

Easy ...Haggis
Not so.
The rutabaga or swede differs from the turnip (Brassica rapa) in that it is typically larger and yellow-orange rather than white. ... In the north of England and Scotland, the larger, yellow rutabagas are called neeps or swede from folk etymology, while the smaller white turnips are called turnips.
While it is eaten all year round, haggis is particularly associated with Burns Night, when it is traditionally served with "neeps and tatties" (Scots: swede, or rutabaga and potatoes, boiled and mashed separately) and a "dram" (i.e. a glass of Scotch whisky).


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 11:04 AM

Easy ...... Haggis!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 10:38 AM

indeed. does not go well with turnips. but then, what does?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 10:06 AM

Gravitas? Isn't that Swedish smoked fish?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 09:47 AM

no, genuine mistake. if i was going to lie to the nation i would always choose to illustrate my lies with a haddock. other fish lack authenticity, i find, or gravitas


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 09:21 AM

Thanks! There is a pun in there somewhere, I am sure.
Boris. Man alive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 03:24 AM

Apologies! It was Pete, not David, who referred to a haddock!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 03:23 AM

Mrrzy - Boris Johnson (likely our new PM) was telling lies yesterday about the EU, claiming that EU rules force producers of kippers (smoked herrings) in the Isle of Man to pack them for shipping in a certain way when, in fact, no such rule exists in the EU, and the Isle of Man is not a member of the EU.

I think David was being deliberately, amusingly obtuse with his reference to 'haddock'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 06:30 PM

I googled brandishing a haddock and it came back with Tintin. What did I miss?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 04:03 PM

The collapse in the value of the pound since the brexit vote is just the first of the horrendous consequences.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 03:02 PM

telling lies, brandishing a haddock. kissing fat, orange, racist arse - good old england!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 02:57 PM


Any comment about an official government department saying that it will cost an arm and a leg to the UK economy


I would expect simple denial.

Remember how the fall in the value of the pound after the result was just a correction and nothing to do with Brexit? Having seen the sterling movements since Boris/Hunt started talking up a no deal I am surprised we haven't yet been told they are nothing to do with Brexit either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 02:29 PM

And the Chancellor appoints the governor of the Bank of England;
Apr 28, 2019 - The Bank of England got its Brexit forecasts wrong, according to ... Governor Carney

Note, not a think tank of left wing remainers but an official body.

Anymore for tennis?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 02:29 PM

increasingly it seems like we are being led by a group of incompetent fanatics engaged in a crazy project to remove us from our european ties into an impoverished and ignored relationship as the 52nd state of trump's america first USA.

WTFF?

surely this is precisely what no sane citizen would have wanted. yet here we are, with our next PM making up stories while brandishing a haddock and kissing a big, fat, orange, racist arse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 02:19 PM

Any comment about an official government department saying that it will cost an arm and a leg to the UK economy.

Note, not a think tank of left wing remainers but an official body.

Unicorns and pie in sky anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 01:56 PM

One of the interesting things about the vote in the commons today to make proroguing Parliament more difficult arises from the observation that several government ministers abstained.   Now, Boris has said that the cabinet he picks will consist of pro-Brexit enthusiasts - he thinks the remainder inclined ministers have blocked Brexit.

But that forgets the convention that Government ministers (and PPS etc) vote in accordance with the Cabinet decisions. As a result they vote in line with the cabinet consensus, or in rare cases abstain. Those committed enough to resign are quite rare.

So: by forming a cabinet exclusively of pro-Brexit people you actually decrease the pro-Brexit vote in the house: the 'remainers' on the Government payroll are released to vote as they wish, and the pro-Brexit are constrained to vote the way they would anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 01:41 PM

Forecast is a forecast
Truth is truth

The more astute among us recognise there is a vital difference


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 12:12 PM

Another uncomfortable truth came from the Office of Budget Responsibility. To the tune of £30 billion.

Will this forecast from an official government body also be dismissed


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 12:03 PM

.There are far too many uncomfortable truths in this thread for the most die hard of our brexiteers.

Here is one of them:
498 MPs voted to approve the second reading of the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017 to allow the Prime Minister to invoke Article 50 unconditionally. A failure to agree the terms of separation would result in a no deal. This can be defined as a failure by the European Union and the UK to negotiate and conclude an agreement setting out the arrangements for the UK's withdrawal before the Treaties cease to apply.

Now for one of those uncomfortable truths:How many of those MPs were closet remainers and lied to their constituents in order to take office? This should prove interesting come re-selection time for re-election. The electorate will extract it's revenge, make no mistake.
Support will be from the Labour heartlands the Tory shires and wholesale desertion from the Libdems. All Dysoned up by the Brexit party.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 10:46 AM

The shape of politics to come was has been set in the US with Republicans, referring to a black politician, stood up and chanted "send her home"
Reminiscent of a Nuremberg Rally
Anybody who believes this has nothing to do with Brexit and Farage's poster - dream on
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jul 19 - 12:51 PM

There are far too many uncomfortable truths in this thread for the most die hard of our brexiteers. Which is why one in particular keeps trying to get it closed. Luckily, the moderation team are on to him and remove the ill concealed attempts to shut it down. Just ignore him and let the team do their bit to keep this important topic out of the cess pool.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jul 19 - 11:11 AM

"Lefties"
A TIMELY REMINDER OF RIGHT AND LEFT
AND ANOTHER
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jul 19 - 02:17 AM

"Which sounds an excellent reason to stay in and use our veto to prevent it."
Absolutely
Beats leaving home like a sulky teenager any day
The EU is a combination of states dominated by a failing system - one that can no longer cater fo all its citizens - the rapidly increasing gap between haves and have nots is an obvious indication of how this is impacting on the people
This system will have to change or it will collapse
Brexit and Trumpism are ploys to divert attention from the effects - "blame someone else for our failures"
Immigrants and Muslims 'the enemy within', have taken the place of Germany's 'Jewish menace' - go dig out Farage's poster to see that message written in big letters
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 01:48 PM

Do you see a pattern forming here?
Do you think Maastricht is the end point or the start of a journey?
items 2 and three above seem very much like unfinished business to me, and how I see the projected endpoint is not something that I can agree to.


Which sounds an excellent reason to stay in and use our veto to prevent it. As Dave said, being outside that group and squeezed between such a superstate, the US, China and Russia - for example - does not sound a bright move.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 01:40 PM

DMcG Have you heard of Robert the Bruce and the spider.
A little history from a previous post of mine
The European Economic Community (EEC) was a regional organisation which aimed to bring about economic integration among its member states. It was created by the Treaty of Rome of 1957

By the Maastricht Treaty (formally known as the Treaty on European Union; 1991), which went into force on November 1, 1993, the European Economic Community was renamed the European Community and was embedded into the EU as the first of its three “pillars”

The Treaty of Maastricht (1992) created the European Union as a single body of "three pillars". The pillars consist of the:
1) European Communities(the EEC),
2) Common Foreign and Security Policy
2) Cooperation in Justice and Home affairs.


Do you see a pattern forming here?
Do you think Maastricht is the end point or the start of a journey?
items 2 and three above seem very much like unfinished business to me, and how I see the projected endpoint is not something that I can agree to. YThe pattern I see is evermore integration


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 01:37 PM

Comparing what could happen in the future with what has already happened since the brexit vote is hardly comparing like with like. Besides which, if Europe does become a "superstate" with its own army, the UK will hardly be in a position to match them either economically or in military strength. I would say if there is any truth in that speculation, which is all it is, we would be in a much better position inside the club than outside.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 01:27 PM

Those links - and the discussion on Galilleo - confuse countries/the EU with people. Yes, there are some senior people who want an army, or to end vetoes. But there are not the whole EU, and the article on taxation, for example, makes plain most countries are opposed.

It is the same confusion with Galileo, which David C pointed out very clearly. "The UK" does not have expertise in this. Individuals do, and they could easily move elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 01:02 PM

And answer came there none
The fact that Brexit has put Britain into free-fall seems to be an accepted fact, even by the arch-Brexiteers
"When at first you can't succeed - talk about something else", seems to be the order of the day here
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 11:21 AM

1) Europe wants an army
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-14/france-maintains-goal-of-creating-a-european-army-minister

2)Call for EU federal superstate
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/690886/European-Union-Guy-Verhofstadt-MEP-Brexit-EU-superstate

3) EU wants to end veto on foreign policy and taxation and eventually end all vetoes
https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/majority-voting-could-see-five-states-decide-eu-taxes-37898614.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ursula-von-der-leyen-eu-commission-president-foreign-policy-veto-qualified-major

Three very good reasons for getting out of Dodge, and all three vehemently denied on here by remainiacs


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 07:17 AM

It's even worse than that really. A lot of what is likely to happen is known and none of it is good. No one has yet come up with any good news as this thread and the ones before it attest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 06:35 AM

They voted for something with not the faintest clue of how they would be affected.

Which is bad, but nothing compared to continuing to insist the unknown must happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 02:46 AM

"”With Brexit nothing has been agreed therefore outcomes cannot be calculated. "
Any Government which does not base its policies on probable outcomes anddoes not plan in advance is not fit to hold office
Any government who pushes through a policy based on a leap in the dark, like Brexit obviously was, deserved to be removed from politics altogether
Nrexit has destabilised the future of Britain for at least two decades (admitted), has undermined the economy, driven away major industries, has divided the British people radically, particularly on the issue of race relations and has rendered the elected leadership totally impotent and at odds with each other
It has divided the elected ruling party into warring factions which has made Britain virtually ungovernable over the last few years and now threatens to destroy what is left of Parliamentary democracy and break up the U.K altogether
No possible decision on Brexit can begin to heal the damage that has already been done
DAMAGE SO FAR
Jim Caarroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 02:02 AM

”With Brexit nothing has been agreed therefore outcomes cannot be calculated. To make forecasts a minimum data set is required, otherwise the exercise is guesswork, and hence futile.( as has been stated here many times)”

And there we have it - confirmation, in two short sentences, of the sheer, unadorned stupidity of the Leave voter, from the mouth of our own arch-BrexShitter. They voted for something with not the faintest clue of how they would be affected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 05:44 PM

so why raise it in relation to Ireland,

1)Because as the Irish Times succinctly said a while back:
"EU tax plan 'is a bigger threat to Ireland than Brexit"

2)Because the financial legislation is already in place or proposed and reasonably accurate forecasts can be made as to the future impact of such changes. Perhaps if Belfast was made a freeport after brexit those American companies most impacted by proposed EU tax harmonisation would simply relocate a hop skip and jump up the coast from Dublin

With Brexit nothing has been agreed therefore outcomes cannot be calculated. To make forecasts a minimum data set is required, otherwise the exercise is guesswork, and hence futile.( as has been stated here many times)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 05:27 PM

That doesn't scan - the syllable count is all wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 05:14 PM

seen elsewhere


(Galileo) Galileo, (Galileo) Galileo, Galileo, Figaro magnifico
But I'm just a poor EU, nobody loves me
He's just a poor EU from a poor family
Spare him the UK from this monstrosity

    Bismillah! We will not let you go!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 03:09 PM

"the UK may have the only key to wind it up."
Ireland is solidly in support of Europe and efforts by Ukip rejects who have attempted to dive a wedge between her and Europe have been totally rejected
The overwhelming feeling here is that the problem is solely Britain and its threat to the Border
Again, advice from a supporter of a policy which has all but destroyed British society and brought Parliamentary democracy to its knees really isn't needed
You have persistently dismissed what may happen to Britain so why raise it in relation to Ireland, for whom you have shown "bogtrotter" level contempt?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 03:03 PM

Interesting that the Irish economy grew by 8.4% last year according to reports on RTE


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 02:57 PM

With regard to things like Galileo, EU companies will recruit British scientists and engineers working on it, holding out the promise of high salaries and shiny new French or German passports. The key people are very mobile.

If I was younger I would go. I may even do so now if I can find the right niche.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 02:09 PM

Ireland's position at number 33 is quite interesting because in terms of GDP per capita Ireland ranks about number 5 in the world rankings.
Should the EU introduce its much touted tax harmonisation rules I suspect Ireland could be very heavily impacted.
The distortion of Ireland's economic statistics (including GNI, GNP and GDP) by the tax practices of some multinationals, led the Central Bank of Ireland to propose an alternative measure (modified GNI or GNI*) to more accurately reflect the "true" state of the economy.

Foreign-owned multinationals continue to contribute significantly to Ireland's economy, making up 14 of the top 20 Irish firms (by turnover), employing 23% of the private sector labour-force, and paying 80% of business taxes.
Given the importance of US multinationals to Ireland's economy (80% of Irish multinational employment, and 14 of the 20 largest Irish firms), the passing of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 is a challenge to Ireland. Parts of the US TCJA are targeted at Irish multinational tax schemes (especially the move to a modern "territorial tax" system, the introduction of a lower FDII tax on intellectual property, and the counter-Irish GILTI tax regime). In addition, the EU's proposed Digital Sales Tax (and stated desire for a Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base), is also seen as an attempt to restrict the use of the Irish multinational tax schemes by US technology firms.

    These impending changes coupled with a potential no deal Brexit will impact the Irish economy very heavily.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 01:50 PM

Galileo Project. a starting point.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/25/what-is-galileo-and-why-are-the-uk-and-eu-arguing-about-it


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 01:44 PM

The EU have the resources to overcome problems - and industry-less Britain can hardly be described as essential to anybody any more

Fact:
In the UK, manufacturing makes up 11% of GVA, 44% of total UK exports, 70% of business R&D, and directly employs 2.6 million people. Despite the decline since the 1970s, when manufacturing contributed 25% of UK GDP, the UK is currently the ninth largest manufacturing nation in the world.
Gross Domestic Product of United Kingdom grew 1.4% in 2018 compared to last year. This rate is 4 -tenths of one percent less than the figure of 1.8% published in 2017. The GDP figure in 2018 was $2,828,640 million, leaving United Kingdom placed 5th in the ranking of GDP according to the International Monetary Fund.

Ireland by contrast would rank no 33


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 01:36 PM

I love this thread, lots and lots of intelligent info and only a few childish insults, amazing. I read French and English (British?) papers but get way better analysis here. And while I'm a Mrrican and Trump yada yada, but I feel for you guys, really.
But...
75 years of peace for Europe? What about the former Yugoslavia and all the wars in Africa and the Middle East being fought by European might today?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 12:17 PM

Why spoil the story with a few facts DMcG? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 12:04 PM

The suggestion that UK has the only key is extremely doubtful - is there the slightest evidence for this? According to the statement the agency issued:




The cause of the technical incident is identified and recovery actions are implemented to ensure that the nominal service is resumed as soon as possible while safeguarding quality of the services.

Galileo provides “initial services”, the phase that precedes the “full operational services” phase, since December 2016. Nominal Galileo redundant capabilities and associated service continuity functions are partially affected by on-going major deployment activities towards the Galileo “full operational services”.



Some papers like the Express seem keen to make a meal of it. It does not sound anything out of the ordinary when moving from 'initial services' to 'full operational services'. Obviously, I am sure they would rather it had not happened' but it is common.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 11:15 AM

"the UK may have the only key to wind it up."
Little Brit gloating about other countries problems is hardly going to win them the friends they are going to need to make up for the mass exodus of British businesses
The EU have the resources to overcome problems - and industry-less Britain can hardly be described as essential to anybody any more
Maybe Dyson can help ?
Whoops - nearly forgot - he's pissed off to Singapore
Jim Carroll


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