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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Jim Carroll 11 Jun 19 - 10:56 AM
Iains 11 Jun 19 - 10:40 AM
Raggytash 11 Jun 19 - 08:10 AM
Iains 11 Jun 19 - 08:01 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jun 19 - 06:51 AM
Backwoodsman 11 Jun 19 - 06:50 AM
Raggytash 11 Jun 19 - 06:45 AM
Iains 11 Jun 19 - 06:24 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jun 19 - 05:24 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jun 19 - 04:50 AM
Backwoodsman 11 Jun 19 - 02:08 AM
Iains 10 Jun 19 - 04:52 AM
Backwoodsman 09 Jun 19 - 03:27 PM
Dave the Gnome 09 Jun 19 - 02:46 PM
Backwoodsman 09 Jun 19 - 02:20 PM
Backwoodsman 09 Jun 19 - 02:18 PM
Dave the Gnome 09 Jun 19 - 02:16 PM
Raggytash 09 Jun 19 - 02:14 PM
Dave the Gnome 09 Jun 19 - 02:14 PM
DMcG 09 Jun 19 - 02:10 PM
Iains 09 Jun 19 - 02:02 PM
Backwoodsman 09 Jun 19 - 01:46 PM
Dave the Gnome 09 Jun 19 - 01:33 PM
DMcG 09 Jun 19 - 01:21 PM
Iains 09 Jun 19 - 10:57 AM
DMcG 09 Jun 19 - 10:39 AM
Iains 09 Jun 19 - 10:15 AM
Iains 09 Jun 19 - 05:35 AM
Dave the Gnome 09 Jun 19 - 03:11 AM
Steve Shaw 08 Jun 19 - 03:39 PM
Backwoodsman 08 Jun 19 - 02:13 PM
Raggytash 08 Jun 19 - 02:04 PM
Iains 08 Jun 19 - 12:57 PM
Steve Shaw 08 Jun 19 - 09:23 AM
Iains 08 Jun 19 - 07:41 AM
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Iains 08 Jun 19 - 04:48 AM
DMcG 08 Jun 19 - 03:48 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 19 - 10:56 AM

" same silly games as he who must not be mentioned?"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/5173475/Guido-Fawkes-the-colourful-life-of-the-man-who-brought-down-Damian-McBride.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jun 19 - 10:40 AM

I guess I will have to grovel. I had it fixed in my mind you were using a nom de plume of Mr Robinson whom I have frequently been accused of supporting.

If we are going to disregard journalists because of drunk driving, bankruptcy and other failings and not gauge their worth by their editorial content, why hold politicians in such high esteem? Were you not one of those arguing they were mighty men like men of yore, much more qualified to make decisions than the little people. One quite happily admits to having used class One drugs, one has been booted out for perverting the course of justice,several are subject to possible recall procedures because of lying to their electorate and labour MPs have been accused of antisemitism. I would suggest their feet of clay are far more hydrated than those of Mr Guido.
Let us look at Mr Gove,a PM hopeful.
After the revelation that Gove was sniffing lines of cocaine whilst writing lines attacking middle-class cocaine use, rival campaigns are now trawling through Gove’s Times articles looking for interesting policy positions. One that was passed to Guido is particularly appealing and would likely go down a treat with a large segment of the Tory membership. “Bring back hanging”, a classic vote winner with Tory members if there ever was one!
or
Chucklebuttie having her kids educated in public schools, with
Diane Abbot, Emily Thornberry and Seumas Milne sending their children to selective state schools, while Angela Rayner blasted the Government’s plans for a new model of grammar schools insisting they “do not improve social mobility” and are “not good for our education system”. Classic labour hypocrisy there I am afraid. Dachas for the elite, the gulags for the hoipolloi

Your outrage would appear most exceedingly selective,but then blinkers are a by product of wearing lefty rose tinted specs.
Too much gruniard addles the brain!

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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Jun 19 - 08:10 AM

Easily done, From one of your posts dated 7th April.

"https://order-order.com/2019/04/05/corbyns-evidence-shows-cooking-books-terrorist-wreath-laying-trip/

from Guido of course. The scourge of bubbleheaded leftards!"

I don't expect an apology, people of your ilk never apologise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jun 19 - 08:01 AM

And this from the man who frequently quotes the ex bankrupt, four times convicted Paul Staines

I look forward to seeing you supply the evidence for the above. Are you trying to play the same silly games as he who must not be mentioned?
Just one quote will suffice. Failing that an apology will fit the bill nicely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 19 - 06:51 AM

Financially, ex bankrupt. Morally, still so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jun 19 - 06:50 AM

Brexit a shambles? "Look over there - Labour anti-semitism!".

Brexit Party beaten in the Peterborough By-Election? "Look over there, Labour vote-rigging!".

Is that really the best they, or their delusional, red-faced-Gammon supporters can do?

Pathetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Jun 19 - 06:45 AM

"so predictable and so shabby. Yup. look at Labour in Peterborough having a criminal convicted of electoral fraud helping in the last couple of elections,with the postal votes concentrated in one ward. Political correctness and accusations of waycism are inhibiting the clean up of these Augean stables."

And this from the man who frequently quotes the ex bankrupt, four times convicted Paul Staines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jun 19 - 06:24 AM

so predictable and so shabby
Yup. look at Labour in Peterborough having a criminal convicted of electoral fraud helping in the last couple of elections,with the postal votes concentrated in one ward. Political correctness and accusations of waycism are inhibiting the clean up of these Augean stables.

“For the Parliamentary by-election held on 6 June 2019 there were 13,682 postal votes issued”, an official announcement from Peterborough’s returning officer began. “9,898 of these were returned of which 400 were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth (or both) not matching our records.”
The number of votes cast at the various polling stations across the City was 24,500. Overall, the total number of verified ballot papers (including the almost 10,000 postal votes that made their way to the count room) was 33,998.

This means that of the votes counted that led to the win of Labour’s anti-semitic candidate Lisa Forbes, a whopping 29% were postal votes – a method of voting renowned for the way in which it is easily manipulated by election-riggers like Tariq Mahmood and his murky associates.

The jaw-dropping figure also equates to a staggering 69.6% valid return rate of all postal votes sent out.
But that wasn’t the only shock in store for Peterborians and citizens across the country, as the council’s statement also unwittingly exposed the equally damning results of the 2017 snap election, which saw incumbent Tory Brexiteer Stewart Jackson lose his seat to criminal Fiona Onasanya by under 700 votes.

“In the 2017 Parliamentary election for the Peterborough constituency there were 14,293 postal votes issued” the announcement continued. “11,930 of these were returned of which 379 were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth (or both) not matching our records. This equates to 81% valid return rate”,

During both elections – for Labour’s Onasanya and Labour’s Lisa Forbes – close friend of Peterborough Labour leader Shaz Nawaz, convicted vote-rigger Tariq Mahmood, was hired to play a key role in the election campaign team and on both occasions, despite his fondness for destroying democracy, was given exclusive access to the election count room.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 19 - 05:24 AM

Well, to drag matters back from opportunistic and sour-grapist attacks on "Labour's antisemitism," so predictable and so shabby, there's a piece in today's Guardian ("EU view of Tory leadership candidates deeply critical, say sources") that should burst the over-optimistic and hubristic bubble in which the leading candidates appear to exist. Johnson, Raab and Hunt are all, in turn, excoriated and shrugged at. If they really think that the EU is in any shape or form going to reopen negotiations on "the deal" then they are sadly deluded. No matter who wins the poisoned chalice they will simply be Theresa May Mk II as far as the EU is concerned. Not only that, there will still be no parliamentary majority for the Tories and no majority for anything remotely like anything that's been on the table so far, certainly not for no-deal. I note that talk of the 39 billion is in the offing again. Just think about the reaction of our biggest trading partner if we crash out and refuse to pay our dues...

The Tory leadership bid is just as amazingly unreal as the whole bloody brexit shambles. One noticeable thing from the Guardian piece, however, is that Gove doesn't figure in it. In spite of his obnoxiously-patronising attitude and his sheer hypocrisy over his drug-taking (about which, frankly, I give not a shit, even though I've never taken an illicit substance in my life), I have a funny feeling that he'd be the least bad of a bloody awful bunch...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 19 - 04:50 AM

You could point out that all the facts are substantiated by a report from the media reform coilition, John, but that would encourage him to greater heights of nonsensical invective. Far better just to leave it to the moderation team. Nowt to do with brexit so quite rightly destined for the bin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jun 19 - 02:08 AM

A letter here, from a number of eminent individuals with intellects immensely superior to that of our Resident Right-Wing Extremist, and minds considerably more open than his, expressing concern about biased reporting of alleged ‘anti-semitism’ in the LP, and Jeremy Corbyn in particular.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 10 Jun 19 - 04:52 AM

There is a major distinction to be made between signing a petition
1)to rerun a perfectly legal referendum because you cannot accept the majority vote
2)to investigate potential electoral fraud, in an area where previous criminal activity has been associated with voting irregularities.

If you think both petitions are the same further discussion with you is pointless, because you obviously lack the knowledge to be able to differentiate between a potential crime and   a refusal to accept a democratic vote. Your recent contributions are merely intended to provoke instead of addressing the issues.
Your Peterborough Labour MP has now been castigated by 6 Labour MPs for her antisemitic stance and yet Corbyn refuses to act. Do you not think that is a matter for concern, especially in the light of a recently initiated formal investigation into antisemitism within the Labour Party? Your attempts here to trivialise and mock their nvestigation will have zero impact on its outcome.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-work/news/investigation-opened-labour-party-following-complaints-about-antisemitism


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 03:27 PM

I know, Dave - Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 02:46 PM

Why are you still addressing the twonk, John?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 02:20 PM

Anyway, stop whining, grow a pair of balls, man-up, and accept that WE WON, GET OVER IT.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 02:18 PM

”Over 16000 have now signed the petition to investigate the postal vote.”

So?? Over SIX MILLION Signed the petition to revoke A50, and you and the other BrexShit-supporters here said it should be ignored.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 02:16 PM

Sorry for the failed clicky. Try C&Ping the URL

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-disenfranchised-expats-denied-eu-referendum-missing-postal-votes-demand-re-run-hundreds-a7103066.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 02:14 PM

So just 0.25 percent of activists have said we should investigate this ..............


0.25 percent ......... I think I could get many people to say Boddington's beer is not as good as it used to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 02:14 PM

Of far more significance for brexit are the number of missing postal votes during the referendum. Quite possibly more than the margin that leave had.

Now there is something worth investigating rather than pandering to naughty Nigel's little tantrums.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 02:10 PM

Ok, back to Brexit. Here is a LONG youtube article which is an interview from last December between Rory Stewart, now a prospective candidate for PM, and James O'Brien. As a reminder, that was around six months before May resigned.

As I have said before, to me Rory Stewart talks more sense than any of the other potential PMs. However, because he goes for sense rather than cheer-leading, he stands little or no prospect of success.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 02:02 PM

WTF has all this got to do with brexit?

It is all to do with democracy, just like honouring the Brexit referendum Result

and for those that are convinced postal vote shenanigans cannot occur in a ward with previous!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7985257/Five-jailed-for-electoral-fraud.html


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47535867

Over 16000 have now signed the petition to investigate the postal vote.

Interesting the Electoral Commissioners have not investigated. Had the Tories come second I suspect a very different outcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 01:46 PM

It’s our RRWE’s diversion tactics - Brexit Party lost the By-Election in Peterborough? “Look over there...Labour vote-rigging”! He’ll drag anti-semitism into it shortly!

BTW, I just noticed. Hasn’t Eric Pickles got tiny hands!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 01:33 PM

Other than Peterborough voted strongly for leave in 2016 yet decided not to vote Farage's motley crew in 3 years later, WTF has all this got to do with brexit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 01:21 PM

Ah, Eric Pickles. A superb understanding of the life of the common man!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 10:57 AM

Well needless to say my last line was written tongue in cheek. After all as I stated above Peterborough City council signed-up to a government pilot scheme that would legally require voters to attend polling stations with their passport or other form of ID in order to vote. Peterborough's participation in this logical scheme was curiously cancelled shortly before the snap-election called by Theresa May in 2018. The wily demographic of Peterborough named have extensive form for election fraud confirmed by the governments own report.

I suspect there is much more to be said about this particular
by-election.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 10:39 AM

Has the lack of progress on Brexit also stalled the recommended reforms?

Perhaps. It is obvious that those who promoted Brexit in the first place grossly underestimated how difficult it would be, and the inevitable complexity has prevented all sorts of things being carries out. And no, leaving with no deal would not have solved the complexity, because we would - and will if that happens - then be swapped trying to cope with the consequences of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 10:15 AM

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/sir-eric-pickles-publishes-report-into-tackling-electoral-fraud
A series of 50 recommendations are outlined in the report, including:

    clamping down on postal vote 'harvesting' by political activists
    piloting some form of identification at polling stations
   fraud
    stronger checks and balances against municipal corruption

published Aug 2016 Has the lack of progress on Brexit also stalled the recommended reforms?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 05:35 AM

Let us look at the facts{

1)the elected MP is on record in public media for antisemitic remarks
2)Peterborough has one of the highest concentration of Moslems in the UK
From the Guardian: For Amjad Iqbal and Shabina Qayyum, two                                  Peterborough councillors, the result highlighted the importance of Labour support in the Asian community. "I would say the Muslim vote played a vital role in Lisa Forbes's success," Iqbal said.
3)The turnout for the postal vote was 69.4%
4)Vetting for a postal vote is far more rigorous in northern Ireland, compared to mainland Britain.(Why is that I wonder?)
5) in recent years, Peterborough City council signed-up to a government pilot scheme that would legally require voters to attend polling stations with their passport or other form of ID in order to vote. This, although doing nothing to prevent postal fraud, would have had a positive impact in tackling vote-rigging. Peterborough's participation in this logical scheme, however, was curiously cancelled by the local government shortly before the snap-election called by Theresa May in 2018.
6)Tariq Mahmood, found himself behind bars in recent years over his involvement in a Labour-led vote-rigging scandal that cost the taxpayer over £1m to investigate, and also resulted in the arrest and
eventual imprisonment of a former Labour Mayor.
In 2008, Labour's Mohammed Choudhary, 49, former mayor of Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, was jailed at King's Lynn Crown Court.
Party candidate Maqbool Hussein, 52, was jailed for three months and Tariq Mahmood, 40, received a 15-month term.All three from Peterborough, were convicted of forgery over a scheme to fabricate votes for the Peterborough city council election in June 2004.
"They were able to get hold of postal and proxy votes which belonged to voters in the central ward," prosecuting QC Anthony Leonard said.
7)The results in last years election – as with the majority of those before it – provide shocking reading, with Labour Fiona Onasanya beating Tory Brexiteer Stewart Jackson by a mere 607 votes, whilst the number of postal votes, particularly from central wards with a considerably high Pakistani community, being among the highest Peterborough had seen.
8)Lisa Thorbes won this time by a majority of 683
9) Up until the election of Fiona Onasanya the seat had been in Conservative hands since 1929 !
10)The convicted vote-rigger Tariq Mahmood was ONCE AGAIN employed by the local Labour election team and by Lisa Forbes in the latest election.
11)In 2015, a Peterborough Tory candidate made national headlines after his car was set on fire during his election campaign – allegedly by local Labour Pakistani youths who had attacked him to dissuade him from continuing to stand. A petrol bomb was also thrown at his front door, but luckily there were no casualties.
12)In 2016, Lord Pickles released a thorough official report as the culmination of an extensive investigation into the causes of electoral fraud in Britain.In the report commissioned by the Government, Sir Eric Pickles, the former Conservative Cabinet minister, warned that the authorities are in a "state of denial" and are "turning a blind eye" to election fraud due to "political correctness".
He revealed strong evidence of voter fraud "especially in communities of Pakistani and Bangladeshi background" but that the cases have been ignored because of "over-sensitivities about ethnicity and religion".

If you do not think that the postal voting needs to be investigated then you obviously no longer believe in Democracy and intend to win for the left by any means.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 19 - 03:11 AM

Don't forget anti-Semitism, Steve.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 03:39 PM

So we're blaming postal voting and houses full of Pakistanis for Labour's victory. How predictable. How pathetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 02:13 PM

To borrow a well-known expression, coined by BrexShitters after their narrow majority in the Referendum (a majority which Froggy Farage stated prior to the Referendum that, should it be in favour of Remain, would be unacceptable and which would give rise to his demanding a re-run of the Referendum) - “We won, get over it!”.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 02:04 PM

Just in case anyone is remotely interested the last Conservative MP in Peterborough was elected 14 years ago in 2005.

It should be noted that those postal votes helped to elect a Conservative MP.

Postal votes cast 9,119
Majority          2,740

Makes you wonder doesn't it about vote rigging !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 12:57 PM

For the last conservative MP elected in Perborough the breakdown was as follows

    Majority: 2,740
    Electorate: 67,499
    Total number of votes cast: 41,204
    Adjusted turnout: 61
    Number of postal votes cast: 9,149
    Number of proxy votes cast: 130
    Number of rejected votes: 78

The electoral Commissioners have not released the breakdown for the by election yet(as far as I am aware) It is interesting just how high the postal vote was and I suspect this time it would be the same or larger.
I find it unbelievable that Labour employed persons known to have been convicted of tampering with previous elections. Hence the concern over
the propriety of the postal vote.( the petition is now 7.5k+ )


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 09:23 AM

The link provided at 06.02 sez different. Happy to think that there's been a cockup.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 07:41 AM

I just opened it count now over 4600.I think their platform is a tad unstable today. They also had a petition concerning the EU voting shambles for expats in Europe. So unlikely to be breaching any guidelines concerning voting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 07:39 AM

Well it looks as though the Change.org petition linked to above has been pulled.

https://www.change.org/p/men-previously-convicted-on-postal-vote-fraud-employed-by-labour-during-this-by-election-investigate-the-postal-votes-that-were-counted-in-the-peterborough-by-election


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 07:05 AM

Well it looks as though the Change.org petition linked to above has been pulled. As we're into loser sour-grape conspiracy theory territory this morning, might I suggest that it was pulled because it breached the community guidelines? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 06:04 AM

I believe it was Goebbels that said "accuse the other side of that which you are guilty".

I see his spirit lives on here and in the press. I suspect the nicotine stained toad is channelling him. Luckily most people are now wise to those tricks but sadly there are still those who suck up every bit of shit their masters feed them. I suppose we should feel sorry for them but the damage they do is unforgivable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 06:02 AM

It seems others share my concern over the postal vote:

https://www.change.org/p/men-previously-convicted-on-postal-vote-fraud-employed-by-labour-during-this-by-election-investigate-th


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 05:52 AM

TheBrexit party was subjected to smears that had no substance. Obviously the same cannot be said of Labour. The evidence against Labour is overwhelming, even coming from their own party members and MPs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 05:49 AM

Here is something a bit more on topic, than a member of a party that has
haemorrhaged support since he joined.

https://www.politicalite.com/labour-2/exclusive-convicted-labour-vote-rigger-out-campaigning-today-for-labour-in-peterborough/

Better double check those thousands of postal votes in the recent by election.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 05:47 AM

Iains repeats the racist tropes of the Brexit party, which were rightfully dismissed as sour grapes in the wake of their defeat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 05:27 AM

It would seem another hero of the right wing has been filmed hitting someone outside a football match in Portugal.

Yaxley-Lennon who's "criminal record includes convictions for violence, financial and immigration frauds, drug possession, public order offences, and contempt of court." (wiki) can be seen in the link below.

They don't half pick some good un's eh?

Yaxley-Lennon


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 04:48 AM

No matter how much you try to trivialise, disparage or deny it, the Labour party has a problem with antisemitism. Further I would posit that the new MP for Peterborough deliberately played her racist card to appeal to a discrete demographic. The population of Peterborough is approx, 200.000 of which 11.7% are Moslem(the highest percentage of anywhere in the UK)
To extrapolate the election results to elsewhere in the country without taking into account the demographics (and reluctance to integrate of the appreciable Pakistani population) will lead to surprises come election time. This particular election was fought in a very dirty way.
Labour did not win a massive victory,they swung an election by pandering to a minority, telling them what they wanted to hear.
This is disgraceful hence the reason Labour MPs, quoted above, said what they said. The facts are what they are and cannot be disputed.
Farage standing in front of a poster is small beer in comparison.Throwing your usual insults at me does not change the facts one iota. Playing the racist card to get elected is not something the labour party can be proud of. It will come back to haunt them as more and more people wake up to their machinations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 03:48 AM

Child Ballad 45 - King John and the Bishop:

"Brother," quoth the shepeard, "you haue heard itt,
That a foole may teach a wisemane witt"


Not that I claim to be wise, of course, but that is why I don't like ignoring people. Even the most extreme fool may give me insights I have otherwise missed.

But I can still be very selective about what I choose to respond to. Invitations to battle, for example, are things I try to decline.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 02:40 AM

I’m ignoring both of the barmy buggers Dave! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 02:40 AM

Last night stuffed the brexit party, and I think you know it.

I fear it might be more subtle than that, Steve. By analogy, consider the Mapplethorpe legal case:

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There was a good documentary/re-enactment account of this in a film unfortunately called 'Dirty Pictures' (which I had to account for recording to my wife and daughter, but that's another story). At the end of the film a spokesman for the Christian right wing who brought the case was asked about how they felt about losing. "We didn't lose", they responded "Faced with the costs, legal battles and effort required, no other art gallery in the country will show this or similar material without thinking very hard."

And it is the same with the Brexit Party. The influence it has in achieving its goals is far more significant than winning seats. And in that sense, it is winning. (Another good example, by the way, of how an accurate statistic - they have no seats - is misleading rather than informative.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 02:19 AM

At long last, John :-) The diversion tactics are blatant and the it will all be sunshine and unicorns after brexit is indicative of having no real argument. Simply not worth even recognising.

At least Nigel provides a bit of entertainment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 01:59 AM

Steve, I think we both know that an attention-seeking, trolling, Right-Wing Extremist fan-boy of hate-mongers like Farage, Staines, and Yaxley-Lennon really is a worthless waste of protoplasm.

Attempting intelligent discourse with him is pointless - he has no desire to discuss or debate, his damaged psyche demands only that he ‘wins’, in any way, and by any means at his disposal. He’s a sick, sick puppy.

I’m back to ignoring the TC, and I’d recommend everyone else to do the same.

Now...any good news about BrexShit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 05:44 PM

And it doesn't need mathermagic to realise that we won Peterborough with an increased majority in spite of a much-reduced turnout. Well, you seem to have fallen out of love with the system! And another thing: you told us remain voters to go suck it up. That we should expect to be ignored because we lost. That we have no say and should bloody shut up. You've had the numbers for this by-election, resident chewer of the sourest of sour grapes. Here's something for you to contemplate: I don't know of any constituency in the country which had more leave Labour voters than remain Labour voters. Stick that in your festering mathermagic pipe and smoke it. Last night stuffed the brexit party, and I think you know it. Farage is a serial loser, no position gained after seven attempts, and last night he abandoned ship and crept out of the back door. You really know how to pick your heroes, don't you?


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