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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Iains 24 Oct 19 - 01:22 PM
Jim Carroll 24 Oct 19 - 01:18 PM
DMcG 24 Oct 19 - 01:01 PM
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Iains 24 Oct 19 - 12:25 PM
Dave the Gnome 24 Oct 19 - 11:45 AM
Steve Shaw 24 Oct 19 - 09:00 AM
Iains 24 Oct 19 - 07:54 AM
Nigel Parsons 24 Oct 19 - 07:15 AM
Iains 24 Oct 19 - 06:52 AM
Steve Shaw 24 Oct 19 - 06:04 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 01:22 PM

junta
a military or political group that rules a country after taking power by force.

Oh Dear!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 01:18 PM

"Aiming for it, but I don't think Labour will give them it. I could be wrong of course."
A Labour woman said that her party would oppose any election until the Brexit guarantees are confirmed - they will then campaign for another referendum
I'm not sure she was speaking for the Party
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 01:01 PM

Aiming for it, but I don't think Labour will give them it. I could be wrong of course.

Johnson's offer is to give time for the second reading, but the price is to vote for GE. Hello? Are you saying if they don't vote for a GE you won't debate the second reading?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 12:36 PM

Johnson's Junta is aiming for a General Election of 12th December
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 12:25 PM

Who got re elected to Parliament on a leave ticket and ever since have betrayed their constituents?

Why not be honest and ask the questions that matter?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 11:45 AM

Always worth asking a couple of questions when people forget who caused the problem and why Labour are quite right to make the culprits clean up their own mess before we can progress.

Who had an overall majority in parliament when the referendum was called?

Who had an overall majority in parliament when it was decided to ignore that the referendum was only advisory?

Who had an overall majority in parliament when article 50 was approved?

Who had an overall majority in parliament when a general election was called that resulted in a hung parliament?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 09:00 AM

It would perhaps help if correspondents here read posts more carefully. Nothing I've said has contradicted other things I've said. As I've amply demonstrated here, that's the territory of the prime minister you love so much. Anyone spotted his ample belly up in a ditch yet, by the way?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 07:54 AM

The Labour party would be so proud.

As they struggle to count their 100 seat projected loss in a general election.
Magic grandad is a stunner!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 07:15 AM

From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 05:46 PM
Motions can't bind a future government but laws can


Then:

From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 06:03 AM
I'm perfectly aware that parliament can overturn laws made by previous administrations. But at least that has to be done openly in both Houses.



Is this a record for the time taken to turn through 180 degrees in ones view? The Labour party would be so proud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 06:52 AM

Motions can't bind a future government but laws can.

Absolute rubbish! Are you trying to say that laws on hanging are still extant, for example?
Perhaps you are confusing laws with treaties, and even they can be subject to cancellation/ revision.
The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT)has not been signed by all countries.(France and Norway for example)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 06:04 AM

Some bad tense work there...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 06:03 AM

I'm perfectly aware that parliament can overturn laws made by previous administrations. But at least that has to be done openly in both Houses. That's a lot different from sneaking in no-deal by default. And it's a lot different from accepting promises and reassurances about no-deal from this most dishonest and disreputable of prime ministers. You know, the man who told us this week that MPs had "approved the deal" when all they'd done is approved the second reading of the bill to put the deal into law, not the deal itself, and the man who said there would be no checks on goods between Northern Ireland and Great Britain, and the man who said that the Scottish Parliament has no role in approving the deal...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 05:47 PM

Similarly if a law was enshrined that there could be no leaving under WTO terms, an incoming government (if it had a majority) could merely overturn that law.

I think that is overlooking the difference between domestic law and international treaties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 05:46 PM

Motions can't bind a future government but laws can. The reason why the opposition won't give Johnson his election (apart from the stupid law his fellow Tory Cameron brought in) is that, sensibly, they want no-deal to be guaranteed to not happen. Your man can't be trusted. We want a pledge that there can not be no-deal at the end of 2020. If your man wins an election, that is precisely what he'll do and you know it. Well we're not having it. It is nothing to do with being frit, and if you shed your tribalism for a minute and got honest for a refreshing change you'd admit it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 05:30 PM

If only...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 05:26 PM

"dead in a ditch"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 04:49 PM

If by running scared you mean doing the doing the sensible thing and waiting until the Tories clean up all the shit of their own making before even attempting to enter the toilet then, yes, I suppose they should change from red to yellow.

What short memories you remainiacs have!
wot abaht this from bliar blair? (who needless to say reneged on the deal)

Tue 20 Apr 2004 13.30 BST
Tony Blair confirmed the biggest u-turn of his premiership today, conceding a referendum on the EU constitution and declaring defiantly: "Let the battle be joined."

In a statement to a packed Commons chamber, the prime minister said he would "let the people have the final say"


Ridiculing Mr Blair for his change of heart, the Conservative leader, Michael Howard, welcomed the fact that the prime minister had "at long last seen sense on this issue".

But he demanded to know what had happened to Mr Blair's declaration at the Labour party conference that he "had no reverse gear".

We can see where compo gets his revolving policies from!

Unlike the magnificent"This Lady is not for turning"Thatcher


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 04:33 PM

It would be utterly reckless, considering Johnson's dishonesty, to agree to an election until it is enshrined in law that there can be no no-deal either now or at the end of 2020. There is next to no chance that a trade deal with the EU will be signed off by then, and further extensions to the transition period will definitely be needed. Without a legal assurance that such extensions will be automatic (unless Parliament, not the government, decides otherwise), it would be foolish to allow him his election.

Even a teacher should be aware that no parliament can bind a future government. This makes your arguments somewhat vacuous and totally lacking in merit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 03:21 PM

If by running scared you mean doing the doing the sensible thing and waiting until the Tories clean up all the shit of their own making before even attempting to enter the toilet then, yes, I suppose they should change from red to yellow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 03:07 PM

It would be utterly reckless, considering Johnson's dishonesty, to agree to an election until it is enshrined in law that there can be no no-deal either now or at the end of 2020. There is next to no chance that a trade deal with the EU will be signed off by then, and further extensions to the transition period will definitely be needed. Without a legal assurance that such extensions will be automatic (unless Parliament, not the government, decides otherwise), it would be foolish to allow him his election.
The logic is somewhat lacking.
If the reason Labour are currently unwilling to have a general election is because they would lose, and the Conservative Party would get a majority then it matters not whether 'the government' or 'parliament' decide not to accept continuing delay. They would be the same thing effectively. Similarly if a law was enshrined that there could be no leaving under WTO terms, an incoming government (if it had a majority) could merely overturn that law. This is the reason that Labour have been running-scared of the election for which they have been so long shouting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 12:45 PM

It would be utterly reckless, considering Johnson's dishonesty, to agree to an election until it is enshrined in law that there can be no no-deal either now or at the end of 2020. There is next to no chance that a trade deal with the EU will be signed off by then, and further extensions to the transition period will definitely be needed. Without a legal assurance that such extensions will be automatic (unless Parliament, not the government, decides otherwise), it would be foolish to allow him his election. Let him wallow. If he tries a bill to sidestep the Fixed-term Parliament Act (another of Cameron's many stupidities), it will be amendable, and he will probably lose control of the election date. Ken Clarke has said it could even be amended to lower the voting age to 16. I have a feeling that Johnson won't try that ploy. He doesn't have a majority to fend off hostile amendments, after all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 10:43 AM

Go to climate thread, read 10.25am post and follow its Sage advice...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 09:58 AM

Your jackboot behaviour towards points you are unable to respond to only serves to underline the mindlessness of the cause you are supporting

Whereas yours suggests the need for medication.

The question of the day is will Corbyn be a turkey and vote for Christmas, or continue to duck and dive while losing more and more support. His day of reckoning cannot be delayed for ever. Every stalling tactic he has adopted has come back to bite him in Spades, and his arse!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 09:22 AM

"Oh Dear! all semblance of sanity has evaporated. Nurse! NURSE!"
Your jackboot behaviour towards points you are unable to respond to only serves to underline the mindlessness of the cause you are supporting
Keep it up - you are doing our work for us
HOW ITHERS SEE US
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 06:43 AM

Johnsoon and his junta has now attempted to silence the only voice in their lives - the work of Elected Parliamentary members, by driving a wdge between those elected representatives and those who elected them

Oh Dear! all semblance of sanity has evaporated. Nurse! NURSE!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 06:31 AM

@Pets club, cycle club, angling club, stamp collectors club, war gamers club, model rail club, D&D club, etc...
@
You've added Fasist Farage to yout Tommy Robinsion LIKE list then ?
Farage mobilessed the British People aainst foreigners as did the nazis against the Jews
Johnsoon and his junta has now attempted to silence the only voice in their lives - the work of Elected Parliamentary members, by driving a wdge between those elected representatives and those who elected them
He is now presenting democracy as a barrier to what he claims people want - which he refuses to allow them to confirm
That is tantamount to fascism without the fancy boots and black uniforms - placing the wishes of the people below the ambitions of those few at the very top - Mussolini's bundle of sticks to a tee
Gratuitous insults my arseum
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 05:57 AM

Grrr. Of course I know it's kowtow. It was 1.30 in the morning!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 05:52 AM

Two lies completed in one day. I'll take us out do or die by Halloween. Pass the programme notion or I'll pull the deal. These on top of the fact that he isn't dead in a ditch and that we are promised a customs border in the Irish Sea in spite of the fact that no Tory government could contemplate such a thing. So does anyone believe him when he assures us that workers' rights may be safely left to Parliament (presumably with him at the helm is what he's thinking), or that there's no chance of no-deal at the end of 2020?

You may be right about the second reading passing, DMcG. But had it failed, brexit might have been scuppered. I don't think there's much chance of major amendments such as a confirmatory vote or customs union succeeding. In either case he'll just pull the deal anyway. It's disappointing that there were enough Labour rebels to get the second reading through.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 05:04 AM

fascist like Farage to prevent a Brexit Party/Johnson Junta coalition

The usual gratuitous insults hurled around. Would you like a dictionary,
you seem to have a problem understanding certain words?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 04:37 AM

Interesting that JRM pointed out to the speaker last night that the latest missive to the EU came from Parliament, not the government. By such Jesus bolts does hang the fate of Nations!

The hilarious point, overlooked by many, is that sooner or later the turkeys will be voting for Christamas.

Their roasting will be a truly popcorn moment while remainiacs will be having a gnashing of teeth and wailing of tears. It will make for fine media watching and will be the swansong of magic grandad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 04:33 AM

Accidental, I am sure,
From discussions last night, it seems it wasn't
It gives the remainers a chance to call for and organise a confirmation national vote
That's why Johnsong is going to try to rush through a General Election before the end of the year, in the hope of involving the Brexit Party and the Robinsonite mob
The only problem he has is that if Farage decides on making a career in politics after being laughed out, be could split the Pro-Brexit vote
I think there are enough decent, old school Tories who will refuse to serve alongside a fascist like Farage to prevent a Brexit Party/Johnson Junta coalition - I hopse so, but anything can happen in this Brexit induced chaos
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 03:55 AM

I dunno, BWM. One Tory leader was a known pig sticker. Perhaps the latest is a cow tower. Whatever that may mean.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 02:15 AM

The more I reflect on it, the more it appears to me that Parliament approving second reading strengthens the opposition and weakens Johnson. Accidental, I am sure, but that is the effect.

With the exception or referendum or confirmatory vote, every amendment the opposition will bring forward will be to enshrine workers right protections, closer customs union etc: all things that the EU will happily back without further amendment in response. So we are on the route to a much softer Brexit if we continue with the bill. and it will be really difficult to use the "Parliament versus the people" line if Parliament is trying to approve the bill and Johnson is trying to stop them. especially if the Tories have to be fighting against writing protecting workers and environmental rights into the deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 02:01 AM

Or even kowtowing!

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/kowtow

Sincere apologies for being so weak of character as to allow myself to descend into Nigelist Nitpicking. Dunno wot came over me! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Oct 19 - 08:37 PM

When I said that, I was saying that parliamentary democracy was at least trying to reassert itself by not cowtowing to right-wing Tory bullying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Oct 19 - 08:27 PM

" but at least democracy is in action."
At least and at last - democracy flew out of the window when Farage's scummy hate poster was allowed by the electoral authorities
There's nothing democratic about allowing scumbags like Farage target the foreigners in our midst to play to the eakest and most irrational fears of the people
The immedite result of that campaign is too well known to need repeating and now it's preading like a dirty miasma Robinson, The Brexit Hate Party, Trump in the US with the backing of the Klan, and the freed" former socialist states
There's signs of a fightback in parts of Europe, but nowhere near enough yet
JIm Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Oct 19 - 07:45 PM

He can't go back to the electorate unless MPs let him, with a two-thirds majority. He could try an amendment to get him round the Cameron act, but that might be seen as just another of his little games. The flip side of that is that the opposition are under some pressure to allow an election.

So let's suppose he can wheedle his way to an election. Well I can't see that happening before Christmas, as schools are widely used as polling stations and it would be difficult to disrupt schools just as they're putting on their Christmas activities. An election in the post-Christmas gloom and doom, in the short, cold wet days of January, would be a massive vote-loser, let alone that Christmas would disrupt any election campaign. So it would likely be a spring election. By then, the Tories would have ripped themselves to bits in a vain attempt to stave off the Brexit Party.

I'm dreaming, of course. But in any case I simply can't see Johnson getting an overall majority. Another hung parliament would be my best guess, and we'd be down to who had the largest number of MPs. I've been saying for a couple of years that I can't see brexit happening and I'm sticking to that. Or am I just dreaming again...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Oct 19 - 05:29 PM

Where we go is definitely unclear, but there are a few possibilities amongst many others:.

* The bill proceeds and and least one amendment is made to it that is significant enough it has to go back to the EU to see if they agree. And round the houses we go.

* Johnson is offered an extension and as he indicated, he pulls and goes back to the electorate .. As the man with a deal Parliament has said it could potentially approve, but he decided not to proceed with? Not a very comfortable position.

* The EU says no. Very unlikely, but possible. I would expect an SO24 to try to stop no-deal in some way. In extremis, amending the default from no-deal to revoke. It would be unlikely to pass, but it might be tried.

* A no confidence vote, with frantic attempts to form an alternative government. It may be impossible to agree one, but after a fortnight it would be an election, which Johnson is threatening anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Oct 19 - 03:42 PM

He tried to bully MPs into agreeing with his bulldozing plan, and found that MPs can't be bullied. God knows where we go from here, but at least democracy is in action.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Oct 19 - 08:22 AM

Date: 21 Oct 19 - 06:52 PM
As I said, blowing smoke!
That is not very carbon friendly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 06:52 PM

The sheer hypocrisy of those who claim that the "failure" to abide by the "will of the people" (37% lest we forget) is staggering when set beside this government's attempts to bulldoze a bill through in no time at all without the time to scrutinise it in detail and without any kind of assessment of the impact of the agreement on the economy. Talk about sidestepping democracy. Disgraceful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 02:14 PM

As the polls prior to the referendum managed to be hopelessly wrong, it is a measure of a person's gullibility that they are still swayed by their conclusions.

It is meaningless anyway because the only numbers of significance are those of the brexit referendum. It needs to be pointed out (yet again )that despite all the vacuous postings by remainiacs - they lost and the valiant brexiteers won!
Parliament and the rogue dwarf are in opposition to both the governing party and the people.

What remainiacs are trying to do is deny the democratic will of the majority by way of an attempted coup.
The rebellious MP have less morals than alley cats. They stood for election on the basis of honouring the referendum results. They lied.
Furthermore they lack integrity and the courage of their convictions and do not stand down, in order the electorate be given voice for their choice.

Nothing you can say or do, no arguments you can advance can give even a trace of legitimacy to your actions. As you well know. You boys are doing nowt but blow smoke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 01:24 PM

Sorry Raggy, I must have missed your post.
But, on the positive side, Good News can’t be repeated to often, can it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 01:09 PM

Maybe he is. Heathrow airport would be a good place to start looking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 12:59 PM

Incidentally shouldn't Johnson be in a ditch by now?

Just a thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 12:20 PM

I linked to that last week Backwoodsman, unsurprisingly it was met with a wall of silence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 11:18 AM

Looks as though our ‘Semen’ Staines/Yaxley-Lennon Fanboy is talking through his rectal sphincter again (so what’s new?)...

Britain has turned against Brexit – biggest ever poll of polls says


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 10:44 AM

Cue the fabricated outrage because Bercow has not allowed the MV...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 08:11 AM

Criticising Brexit to become a ‘Hate Crime’... after the movement gains religious status. ;-)

Well, let’s face it, it bears as much relationship to reality as any other religion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 08:03 AM

From a Guardian live news feed:

Scottish judges to continue case into legality of Johnson's letters to Brussels

Guardian Scotland editor Severin Carrellis in court in Edinburgh where Lord Carloway has rejected a call by the UK government to halt proceedings because the prime minister has met his legal requirements under the Benn Act.

The judge said he would continue with the case until it was clear that Downing Street has complied with the act in full – ie. to seek and, if offered, accept a Brexit extension from the EU. A date for the next hearing is yet to be fixed.

======
As I anticipated in earlier posts, the Government lawyers claimed that sending the letter discharged all its legal obligations under the Act. It is clear the court does not agree.


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