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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

DMcG 30 Apr 19 - 03:39 AM
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Jim Carroll 29 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM
Donuel 29 Apr 19 - 02:07 PM
Stanron 29 Apr 19 - 11:33 AM
mayomick 29 Apr 19 - 06:39 AM
Iains 29 Apr 19 - 06:03 AM
DMcG 29 Apr 19 - 02:13 AM
Iains 28 Apr 19 - 02:07 PM
Iains 28 Apr 19 - 01:53 PM
Jim Carroll 28 Apr 19 - 07:36 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 28 Apr 19 - 06:13 AM
DMcG 28 Apr 19 - 03:51 AM
Mossback 26 Apr 19 - 05:01 PM
DMcG 26 Apr 19 - 02:04 PM
Dave the Gnome 26 Apr 19 - 01:17 PM
DMcG 26 Apr 19 - 11:12 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Apr 19 - 10:51 AM
Nigel Parsons 26 Apr 19 - 10:21 AM
SPB-Cooperator 26 Apr 19 - 10:05 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Apr 19 - 08:23 AM
Steve Shaw 26 Apr 19 - 06:43 AM
Backwoodsman 26 Apr 19 - 04:48 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 03:39 AM

Three former Labour members have been arrested

note well: FORMER. Not Labour members, then.

Here is a cutting about it from the Independenat - March 28th, by the way, so a few weeks old.

"The Independent understands that the three suspects have been subject to disciplinary action by the Labour Party and are no longer members.

A Labour Party spokesperson said: "We welcome the police investigating these individuals’ alleged crimes. Antisemitism has no place in our society and we are committed to challenging and campaigning against it in all its forms."


So Labour took action, Exactly what you are demanding. Not that you acknowledge that, of course,


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 05:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W67Xppg434


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 04:32 PM

whatever.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 02:41 PM

donuel, it's just offensive to me anyway, to refer to the word 'retard' as a form of abuse. it's offensive for a clear reason to anyone with any respect for folk with disabilities.

'brexshitter' doesn't bother me much, there has been plenty of such insults in this nasty wee squabble.

insults like 'betrayal' or traitor' are something else - they allow people to get very self-righteous and sometimes angry. having received physical threats myself for being a remoaner and a 'traitor' - i wish we could forget all about this brexit idea and go back to being civil to each other and to our neighbours.

as it is, our house goes on the market tomorrow and we hope to move somewhere where there is a more diverse community and less bad feeling.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM

"I'm hearing anti semetic whistles about Corbyn over here. ?"
As usual
It is now four years since leading members of the Muslim community in Britain pointed out that there was a serious problem of Islamophobia within the Tory Party - STILL FESTERING
Nothing has been done - not even an acknowledgement
That's how important this sort of thing is to the Guido Gobshites
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 02:07 PM

I'm hearing anti semetic whistles about Corbyn over here. ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 11:33 AM

Leftard is offensive but Brexshitter is perfectly acceptable? Brilliant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: mayomick
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 06:39 AM

“Referring to Tory arch Brexiteer, and leader of the party’s European Research Group, Mr Ahern described Jacob Rees Mogg as a "lovely fella when he’s asleep"”

Ireland’s former taoiseach Bertie Ahern being unusually frank when talking about Brexiteers last week. Asked what he meant Ahern was even more blunt   "When he’s awake, he definitely is a strange fish I tell you, in and out of the water."

"And regards to the fact that lot of these guys went to Oxford, Cambridge and Eton, they’re not very bright. This is the problem."

With such personalised rancour coming out it in public, you’d have to wonder - and fear - what is being said in private discussions.
https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-admitted-to-me-he-didnt-know-what-the-irish-border-was-bertie-ahern-38057788.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 06:03 AM

Currently most polls have Labour and the Brexit party in a two horse race, and about equal numbers.   ??????

The Brexit Party (28%) is polling ahead of Labour (22%)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 02:13 AM

Tomorrow night the NEC has to finalise the Labour manifesto for the EU elections, so here are my thoughts on how the argument will go.

Forget what is good for the country, or Labour core principles or other abstractions. It will all be a numbers game, driven as cold-heartedly as possible. Currently most polls have Labour and the Brexit party in a two horse race, and about equal numbers.

Option 1 is to come out as Remain/Revoke/Confirmatory referendum. This will upset Leave voters who have stayed under the Labour umbrella, and a goodly fraction would move from Labour to the Brexit Party. Labour is weakened and the Brexit Party strengthened.

Option 2 is to come out as Brexit. This will make a good few remain supporters move the Green or Change UK, but obviously none will move to the Brexit Party. However, some people in the Brexit Party will be there who are Labour at heart but did not trust it to leave. They may move back. So this option may leave Labour more or less the same on numbers, but weaken Nigel.

Option 3 is to stay ambiguous. They will probably have some Labour voters move to Green or ChangeUK in frustration, but almost all of this will already have happened.

Conclusion:
Most likely: stay ambiguous
Next most likely: Come out for Brexit
Least likely: Confirmatory vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 28 Apr 19 - 02:07 PM

Voting shortly closes in Spain. The outcome could upset the cosy club in Brussells. It will be interesting t0 see how Catalonia fares. The right is expected to show a resurgence.
In France Le Pen is giving Macron a hardtime, and despite the media playing it down the riots are still ongoing
    Riot police unleashed tear gas on protesters in Strasbourg today(26th) as they surrounded European Parliament
    Fights happened despite €5million measures proposed by Emmanuel Macron on their 24th day of protest
   

Politicians do need to listen to their electorate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 28 Apr 19 - 01:53 PM

Meanwhile back to things appertaining to brexit.
We are now in the kind of territory that we have not seen since the days of the SDP. The Brexit Party (28%) is polling ahead of Labour (22%) and polling more than double the vote share of the Tories (13%).

Not delivering a promise on Brexit comes at a price!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Apr 19 - 07:36 AM

One of the nastier aspects of Brexit has just hit the Irish fan
Peter Casey, who used the hatred of Irish Travellers to fight the Presidential election is now aspiring to be an EU representative on a "get rid of the freeloading immigrants" ticket - he is at present campaigning in Tuam
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 28 Apr 19 - 06:13 AM

Headline in the Belfast Telegraph below says it all. The leader of Saoradh has actually called Brexit a "pilot light" in "reigniting that side of physical force". Elsewhere he declares, "By reviving talk of a hard border, Brexit was a huge opportunity... gives it focus, gives it a physical picture. It’s a huge help'."

But hey. Who cares, right? As long as it's not YOU who has to live with the danger and mutilation and loss and heartbreak.


Brexit a recruiting tool for dissidents, says Saoradh chief
Belfast Telegraph

Brexit is a 'huge help' to Irish republicanism, says dissident leader
Guardian

New dissidents hoping to exploit Brexit
BBC (nearly a year old)

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/brexit-a-recruiting-tool-for-dissidents-says-saoradh-chief-37891141.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/06/brexit-is-a-huge-help-to-irish-republicanism-says-dissident-leader

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-44082633



Can't get the clickifier to work. But there's plenty more where that came from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Apr 19 - 03:51 AM

New IRA says Brexit helps it to recruit, according to a paywall article in the Sunday Times.

Of course, they would say that. But taking into account that any form of Brexit is the UK imposing something on Northern Ireland they voted against, the New IRA is probably right that it make recruiting easier. Objecting that the vote applied to the UK as a whole has no bearing on the fact that the possible recruits are from a community that voted to remain.

It emphasises yet again for those too blinkered to see that the border is not just about how you collect tariffs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mossback
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 05:01 PM

Trumpshit Goes Brexshit. Or vice versa.

He's takin are cuntry bak.

Donald Trump has announced that the US will withdraw its support for a United Nations treaty regulating the multibillion-dollar global arms trade.

Trump said: “We’re taking our signature back. Under my administration, we will never surrender American sovereignty to anyone. We will never allow foreign bureaucrats to trample on your second amendment freedom. I’m officially announcing today that the United States will be revoking the effect of America’s signature from this badly misguided treaty.”


Jesus wept.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 02:04 PM

now something more important about Brexit

Labour has worked hard on staying ambiguous, but they are running out of road. They will probably have to be clear in the next week or two. Perhaps not before the local election tions, but well before the EU ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 01:17 PM

The point is, Nigel, that you only bring up a 6 year old article to try and deflect some of the shit that your party is still causing. As DMcG says, you are simply underlining the fact that you are avoiding the question. It isn't working.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 11:12 AM

DMcG says it is "whataboutism".

I said it was about not answering the question. Which it was, and your recent post still is. I said "whataboutism" is the technique you used. But that was incidental (and not a modern idea, by the way). The salient point was avoiding the question, as you still are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 10:51 AM

"Jim Carroll seems to believe that the Labour MPs at the time were actually conservatives in disguise." That's about the size of 'New Labour' as far as I'm concerned - the leadership took up all your shitty values including dipping into the public purse to furnish their duck palaces and setting up offshore accounts
I stopped voting for anybody when Blair showed his predatory head - if I lived in the UK I'd walk over broken glass to give Labour a second chance
Your party is no longer one to be taken seriously - Ukip has more direction and unity than your mmob have and they're scum
As usual, you have totally chosen to ignore the fact that your party was as corrupt and self serving as any on the parliamentary scene
Your standards aren't failing - they've never been anything to write home about - evasive, to say the least
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 10:21 AM

Not bad for responses to a single post:
DMcG says it is "whataboutism". At least that has the value of being a modern idea.
Dave the Gnome says it is six years old. But it was the most recent wide-ranging investigation into the snouts in the trough.
Steve Shaw says that that article is the biggest load of badly-argued bollocks I've read in months but doesn't try to contradict any of its findings.
Jim Carroll seems to believe that the Labour MPs at the time were actually conservatives in disguise. Heads up- they weren't voted in by the Conservatives.

The standards of posting here are certainly failing!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 10:05 AM

We may want to take this into consideration before entering into any trade deal with US
Antibiotic use in farm animals


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 08:23 AM

Not only that, it is referring to a time when 'New Labour' had embraced the best of the Tory values and were virtually indistinguishable one from the other
The vitriolic attacks on somebody who is wanting to change things is evidence enough of that
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-general-election-expenses-scandal-distract-schedule-mps-tory-party-paul-nuttall-david-a7690106.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 06:43 AM

Oborne's article is the biggest load of badly-argued bollocks I've read in months. Go on, take a look and be entertained. Shame on you for digging that one up, Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 04:48 AM

Dave, it’s virtually impossible to place any credence whatsoever on an anti-Labour propaganda-piece, printed by the Torygraph - the mouthpiece of the propaganda department of the Tory party. As the foul harridan Thatcher once famously said, “They would say that, wouldn’t they?”.

The only people daft enough to fall for their drivel are those who feverishly seek confirmation-bias for their own misguided, misinformed opinions.

Nigs’s post is just another typical pathetic attempt, in true-blue Tory tradition, at diverting attention from the fact that Brexit is in deep doo-doo. Really hardly worth commenting on.

Meanwhile, any good news about BrexShit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 04:41 AM

A perfect example of wahataboutism Nigel. The question is do you condemn fraud to manipulate permitted spending on elections?
Avoiding answering it by pointing to other offences other people have committed does nothing more than highlight your avoidance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 02:53 AM

Tsk, tsk, Nigel. If I was a nitpicker I would point out that an article 6 years out of date is no real measure of what has really happened.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Apr 19 - 06:34 PM

From: DMcG
Date: 25 Apr 19 - 04:47 AM
Grant the Brexiteers consistency at least. Christopher Davies has only been found guilty of making false expenses claims in connection with votes. What's to criticise?


But, in the great "Expenses Claims Rip-off", where did the blame largely fall?
It's no coincidence the MPs found guilty of fiddling are all Labour


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Apr 19 - 05:18 AM

Beats groping the hired help I suppose
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Apr 19 - 04:47 AM

Grant the Brexiteers consistency at least. Christopher Davies has only been found guilty of making false expenses claims in connection with votes. What's to criticise?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Apr 19 - 03:03 AM

"Conservative MP found guilty today of fiddling expenses."
Probably has a great future in Europe before him
"After being implicated (alongside Tim Smith) in the cash-for-questions affair, Neil Hamilton became widely associated with sleaze; he was defeated in the 1997 general election, and subsequently left politics. His wife Christine and he went on to become media celebrities. He left the Conservative Party in 2002, and joined UKIP. He was elected to the National Executive Committee of UKIP in 2011. Following his election to the National Assembly for Wales, he served as UKIP Group Leader between 2016 and 2018."
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Apr 19 - 02:06 AM

It’s deafening, Raggy. No surprise there then!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 04:11 PM

I wonder if our resident Brexiteers one ofwhom has been most vocal in condemning a ex labour MP for criminal offences will do the same to the Conservative MP found guitly today of fiddling expenses.


I shall await the silence.................:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 03:14 AM

Just heard on BBC News that the repellent harridan Widdecombe has joined The Nicotine-Stained Frog’s Brexit Party and will stand for election as an MEP. They suit each other, in more ways than one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 06:18 AM

Counting Labour as remain, and the tories as brexit, that is a majority for remain. Lets make it so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 05:13 AM

Depends on who you ak really
As 'Yougov is a survey organisation set up by twp Conservative Party activists it doesn't leave much to the imagination who they would ask
I can just see them with their clipboards waking the streets of Mayfair
Guess who is a serial dismisser of surveys when they come up with figures that don't suit him - no prizes, I'm afraid
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 04:18 AM

27% is not a majority. We have to ensure that the remain vote gets out and votes for candidates committed to maintaining the place of the UK at the top table of Europe. Whether this includes Labour the have until May 22nd to show.

Note that there is no question of Farage's party "winning the European elections" as some of the more fanciful headlines in the sewer press have said. They are not standing in nearly enough seats to do that. The European elections will be won by either EPP or S&D. We need to vote for candidates who will engage constructively with the new administration.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 04:01 AM

From Yougov:

Nigel Farage’s new party tops the polls with 27% of the vote

In our first poll on the forthcoming EU Parliament elections last week Nigel Farage’s new outfit stormed into third place with 15% of the vote. This was despite the Brexit Party not having formally launched.

Now, following the burst of publicity that came with their official formation, our second poll, conducted for the People’s Vote, shows the Brexit Party leapfrogging into first place on 27% of the vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Apr 19 - 01:45 PM

"Actually Jim the ones in the House of Lords seem to have a better idea of how to govern in our interests"
Six of one - half dozen of the other really
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 22 Apr 19 - 11:10 AM

Actually Jim the ones in the House of Lords seem to have a better idea of how to govern in our interests. Its the ones in the House of Commons who are the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Apr 19 - 09:54 AM

Incidentally, there was a facebook photo posted this morning of my son and grandson (3) painting his bedroom wall.   I don't see why painting walls is omitted - I am sure most people do this - but plug-changing is something to highlight. It all smacks to me of oldies lamenting how it was in their day …

And, since we are talking traditional skills, my daughter and her fiancé are off in August on a short blacksmith course, the end result of which will be wedding rings they will have made.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Apr 19 - 09:35 AM

One problem with this approach is the concept there are a fixed set of DIY jobs that to be measured. It is a fiction: the relevant set of tasks varies in each generation and they are broadly the ones most relevant to you. My father had a last and would repair his shoes. I have never done so, nor have my children. On the other hand he would have been hopeless driving a trap on one hand, or creating and managing a spreadsheet on the other. He could have learnt to do either, but it was not relevant so he didn't. I am as capable of changing a plug as most people of my generation, but as almost everything you buy these days comes with a sealed plug pre-installed, I can't remember the last time I did so.

People do as many DIY jobs as they ever did, I would guess. They are just different jobs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Apr 19 - 08:49 AM

Hilaire Belloc 1870-1953 probably had the right general idea:

Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
It is the business of the wealthy man
To give employment to the artisan.


Being an excellent plumber/electrician is all very well, but unless there is someone you can sell your skills to you will soon run out of work opportunities on your own property.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Apr 19 - 01:20 PM

So there we have it
Patriotic Rich people incapable of changing a light bulb or mending a fuse are ok to look down on those of us they rely on for everyday living and are entitled to drag us out of Europe while investing their money elsewhere.


A highly insulting opinion. The statistics clearly demonstrate that DIY capability is higher among older people. A higher Social class merely means an easier ability to pay for work by tradesmen.

The European Single Market, Internal Market or Common Market is a single market which seeks to guarantee the free movement of goods, capital, services, and labour – the "four freedoms" – within the European Union (EU).


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Apr 19 - 08:39 AM

"Another anecdote while there is little real news about Brexit."
One of the great trends today is to manufacture goods for appearance rather that practical use - a pig to install and in the long rem, made to look at - useless and built to be replaced

Fats and opinions
So there we have it
Patriotic Rich people incapable of changing a light bulb or mending a fuse are ok to look down on those of us they rely on for everyday living and are entitled to drag us out of Europe while investing their money elsewhere
Great Easter Message

My memories of working for the ricvh were educational, to say the least
The richest man in England one locked me in his kitchen when he 'slipped ou fo an hour' presumably because he was worried I's runn of with the family silver
We worked in his luxury Westminster first-floor apartment throughout the winter and were forced to climb a frost-covered ladder because 'the neigbours "didn't like workmen using the stairs"   
People like that are unfit to hold public positions like occupying seats in The House of Lords
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Apr 19 - 02:37 AM

Another anecdote while there is little real news about Brexit. For a while by daughter had a boyfriend from one of these uber-rich families. They had a magnificent kitchen, certainly of the standard that it could appear in a glossy "Ideal Homes" sort of magazine. My daughter attempted to do something trivial in it - make a cup of tea, perhaps. They were horrified: none of the work surfaces were waterproof and the slightest splash or drip risked damaging it. It turned out the kitchen had never been used - every single meal was eaten out in a restaurant, even breakfasts, and there was a separate scullery where a kettle could be boiled. The kitchen's sole function was to look impressive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Apr 19 - 02:06 AM

"they'd have to sit in a field
Should read "shit in a field" of course
And no - in my experience working for more than a few of them, they are incapable of repairing fuses and changing light bulbs
Those who think otherwise (especially those who regard British workers as "barking dogs") need t go and work for a few
Totally reliant on those they despise and leech off CARICATURES ALL
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 12:30 PM

DMcG your evidence may be anecdotal but representative of a problem across the EU (as I pointed out many months ago when the issue was first raised here and blamed on Brexit)

Any internet search will establish medicine shortages are increasing throughout the EU, not just in the UK.


https://www.pgeu.eu/en/policy/20:medicine-shortages.html

It has as much to do with a diminishing supply base and decreasing profitability as much as anything else.


https://www.hpra.ie/docs/default-source/publications-forms/guidance-documents/adv-g0020-medicines-shortages-framework-v2.pdf?sfv


https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/post-authorisation/medicine-shortages


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 05:45 AM

This is purely anecdotal, I know, but I have just come back from the chemist having picked up some supplies for my wife. There were two people in front of me. The first person could not get their prescription because of shortages at the suppliers but the chemist hoped it would be available by the end of next week. The second was diabetic and none of theirs was available either, but the pharmacist was off trying to find some alternative while the customer was just repeating plaintively "what am I supposed to do?"

We know there have been shortages due to stockpiling because of Brexit, so there is a potential connection, at least.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 03:54 AM

They are incapable of carrying out the basic needs of staying alive - If it wasn't for plumbers, they'd have to sit in a field and if it wasn't for electricians they'd have to do it i the dark.

It needs to be said that to carry out many kinds of electrical work requires a registered competant person in the UK and many countries have far more stringent codes. This is in order to comply with building codes,household insurance and potential liability claims and even to enable a dwelling to be sold.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/441872/BR_PDF_AD_P_2013.pdf

THe Water Supply (Water Fittings) Regulations 1999 place similar restrictions on a householder, especially when concerning pressurized heating systems.

Any fool can change a tap washer or rewire a plug- not many have a comprehensive knowledge of the regulations to to carry out more complex work.
Those that make loads of dosh employ experts. Why have a dog and bark?


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