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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Bonnie Shaljean 07 Apr 19 - 06:50 AM
The Sandman 07 Apr 19 - 06:47 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 06:27 AM
Iains 07 Apr 19 - 06:24 AM
DMcG 07 Apr 19 - 03:47 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 19 - 12:10 PM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 19 - 11:24 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 Apr 19 - 07:20 AM
Backwoodsman 06 Apr 19 - 05:32 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 19 - 04:59 AM
Backwoodsman 06 Apr 19 - 04:56 AM
Backwoodsman 06 Apr 19 - 04:54 AM
DMcG 06 Apr 19 - 04:51 AM
Iains 06 Apr 19 - 04:30 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 Apr 19 - 04:19 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 06 Apr 19 - 04:17 AM
David Carter (UK) 06 Apr 19 - 04:00 AM
Backwoodsman 06 Apr 19 - 03:55 AM
The Sandman 06 Apr 19 - 03:47 AM
DMcG 06 Apr 19 - 02:50 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 19 - 02:47 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 19 - 02:47 AM
Nigel Parsons 05 Apr 19 - 07:58 PM
DMcG 05 Apr 19 - 06:02 PM
Steve Shaw 05 Apr 19 - 04:58 PM
Backwoodsman 05 Apr 19 - 04:08 PM
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Backwoodsman 05 Apr 19 - 03:22 PM
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David Carter (UK) 05 Apr 19 - 11:06 AM
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Dave the Gnome 05 Apr 19 - 07:57 AM
Iains 05 Apr 19 - 07:46 AM
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Jim Carroll 05 Apr 19 - 03:04 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:50 AM

Where have you seen that, Jim? Couldn't find it in any of my usual haunts, but they're not comprehensive. I'm interested to know more - all I can find is that her cabinet are furious with her for even talking (or going through the motions of talking) to Corbyn. Are there any links?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:47 AM

a soft brexit means the uk leaves the EU but is in the equivalent of the EEC a fairly sensible compromise imo, we are not fighting the second world war, rees mogg is a hypocrite he avises his investors to invest in the euro yet talks about no deal , the man represents the interests of the very wealthy


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:27 AM

It's reported this morning that May has offered Corbyn a 'Boris-proof' Brexit - a soft Brexit that cannot be overturned by future Governments
That should cause a bit of stir in the Tory Monkey-house
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:24 AM

If the outcome of the first referendum is thwarted what is the point of a second?
   Do you not think a wrong answer will be denied again?

This is of course the EU way - reminiscent of "hotel California" -
keep resubmitting the question until the right answer is obtained


A little jog for the memory:
This has happened three times in EU referendums – in Denmark on the Maastricht Treaty in 1992-3, Ireland on the Nice Treaty in 2001-2, and Ireland again on the Lisbon Treaty in 2008-9 – with all of these referendums ultimately proving successful for those backing the treaty.

For the EU it is a war of attrition.

The mighty Rees Mogg has the right idea, ably backed by the inestimable Mr Farage

We shall fight them on the beaches........................!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 03:47 AM

I was reading about a recent survey on a further referendum and it seems the majority are keen that 'we should be free to pursue our own trade deals.'

What a surprise. But let us phrase the same question differently. "we should be forced to   renegotiate all our own trade deals, whether or not they are poorer than the existing ones."

Somehow I don't think that would be as popular.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 12:10 PM

"Anyhoo, Dave is absolutely correct - there’s no profit in engaging with an ITC-illiterate sociopath,
Me too - couldn't help pointing out that this "anti-Tommy Robinsonite" spent a fair tim in handing a petition around to try and get him out of nick, while gloating as the number of signatures rose
A classic "I wish I hadn't done that"
Fun over
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 11:24 AM

"I do not think any rational person would welcome that as an outcome."
As you say "Oh dear"
Talk about shutting the closet door after the skeleton has emerged with a petition in its hand
Too late - too late, the maiden cried
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 07:20 AM

Far better left alone. Kicking that kind of shit does nothing but leave a nasty smell and make a mess of your shoes.

Anyone for keeping to the point and commenting on this?

Tory minister says taking part in EU elections would be 'suicide note' for party

Not often I hope that a Tory is right but fingers crossed on this one :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 05:32 AM

Anyhoo, Dave is absolutely correct - there’s no profit in engaging with an ITC-illiterate sociopath, so I’ll leave him to carry on with his usual abusive behaviour. I’m off to do something worthwhile. ‘Bye now...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 04:59 AM

Magnificent quater-page headline on from page of the Daily Express - set our ocan farmers all of a-giggle
BREXIT BETRAYED
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 04:56 AM

That was for the Belly-Dancer, by the way, not DMcG. And only a muppet would post a quote with no indication whatsoever that it’s a quote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 04:54 AM

Source?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 04:51 AM

There's also the matter of differing food-safety standards....

You are absolutely right, Bonnie, there is far more to it than a simple financial balance sheet. The regulations are important, the social rights and benefits of your citizens are important, the environmental aspects are important ... It goes on and on. That's why I said "purely economics" a couple of times. It is not that the rest of that does not matter, it is that even if you restrict yourself just to the economic argument the case to leave is feeble according to all but one relatively tiny segment of the economists.

Moving onto David Carter's point: again, I agree. Assessment of whether a trade agreement is to your benefit or not is horrendously complicated and also time dependent. You might carry out a vast and sophisticated assessment and come a conclusion then something like the OPEC oil agreements come along and change everything. Economics is not 'truth', it is more like a formal encoding of a decision process, which is only ever as good as your base assumptions.   But, to take a trivial example, suppose decide to enter into a 5 year trade agreement with one country to trade in a certain way, but then another country becomes a potential supplier who can provide the same thing cheaper but differing in some other way. You have to make an assessment to stay with your original supplier, switch or take a proportion from each. That is an unavoidable decision - even not thinking about implicitly decides to stay as you are - and businesses and countries have to do that all the time. Just being immensely difficult and risky due to uncertainties doesn't stop you having to do so, either explicitly or implicitly,


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 04:30 AM

Iains isn't "relying" on anything otherwise he would have humiliated everybody by putting something up (which is what he tries to do) by putting it up - he made the definitive up in desperation on the spur of the moment
Do you think double posting your tortured abuse of the english language adds clarity? Think again!

"Take a customs union on its own first. A customs union would create far less friction to trade in goods. It would be easier to keep vital manufacturing supply chains intact and it would obviate the need for the customs part of the Irish backstop, as long as agriculture was included. But it would also mean that Britain could not operate an independent trade policy in respect of goods, because we would be obliged by the EU to operate its external tariff rather than vary our own in bilateral trade agreements with non-EU countries.
The biggest shortcoming of a customs union, however – and it is a major shortcoming – is that it does not in itself address the issue of regulatory alignment between the UK and the EU that single market membership gives us. This is the principal guarantee of the barrier-free trade we enjoy currently with the EU and why every alternative to membership will leave us worse off.
For this reason, many MPs are looking to a deeper agreement with the EU, one they call common market 2.0, which in addition to a customs union would mean continuing membership of the single market. The attraction is obvious: it would keep the UK close to its most important trading partner while fulfilling the mandate to leave the EU. It comes with a set of institutions based on the existing European Economic Area through which the UK could potentially influence (but not determine) EU policy and incur reduced UK payments for market access.
The disadvantages are equally clear. Britain would have to operate EU rules, without a vote or a veto, for both goods and services – becoming a rule taker – making it largely pointless to leave. Free movement of people would also continue. Yes, there is provision for an emergency brake on migration but this would not give Britain “control” of its borders."

A hotel California brexit!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 04:19 AM

I may well nip to mozzers myself later then Steve if it is down to £5.59 - £4.95 with my discount :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 04:17 AM

There's also the matter of differing food-safety standards. In addition to chlorinated chicken issues, Trump has now appointed the pork industry as gatekeepers for... the pork industry. His reasoning is that if their meat is bad, they'll get sued, so it's in their best interest to keep their stuff clean. (Not a whisper about all those people who could die from eating it, or get seriously sick and not be able to afford medical care.) Good luck with that, if you start importing from some of your potential trading partners.

Oh, and nuclear plants get to self-regulate too. Welcome to your new buddy.

Please excuse lack of hyperlinks - I can't get the clickifier to work:

That [above] is the essence of the Trump administration's argument for getting rid of about 40 percent of federal pork inspectors. By next month, according to The Washington Post, the pork plants themselves will be in charge of "identifying and removing live diseased hogs when they arrive at the plants"—as opposed to the USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service...

https://www.foodsafetymagazine.com/news/pork-industry-to-begin-policing-its-own-food-safety-system/

https://www.motherjones.com/food/2019/04/trump-is-about-to-make-the-pork-industry-responsible-for-inspecting-itself/

https://newrepublic.com/article/153465/its-not-just-pork-trump-also-letting-nuclear-plants-regulate-safety


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 04:00 AM

DMcG, how does a country assess whether a trade deal is to its benefit? To often this debate is set by the views of domestic producers. However consumers need to be considered also. A trade deficit is not bad per se, it means that consumers are getting lots of nice things from the country they are imported from. Neither imports nor exports are bad, really the benefit of the trade is the total volume, not the difference between exports and imports. And the problem is that the people doing the assessing, allegedly on behalf of the country, are looking at only one side.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 03:55 AM

”Is the backwardman boasting or complaining? Then again,who cares?

I find it rather sad you feel the need to boast in order to make a point.
I was using mini computers as a tool over 45 years ago. so what?”


Nope, no ‘boasting’ at all. Merely giving some background regarding my IT capabilities and experience as a response to your completely unsubstantiated accusation that I ’seem incapable of carrying out a simple internet search’.

You really do have extreme comprehension problems, and a serious social-skill deficit, don’t you?

If you haven’t the acquired the skill to post a working clickable link on the forum, you might like to take a little time out from insulting and abusing other members and study Joe Offer’s ‘Basic Mudcat HTML’ post in the ’Mudcat FAQ - Newcomer’s Guide’. It’s very simple - almost anyone could do it.

Now, back to that direct question you’ve carefully belly-danced around...I’m guessing that, as usual, you don’t have the cojones to answer, but that’s OK, I know the answer anyway, and it doesn’t show you in a good light.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 03:47 AM

Edwina Currie in a nushell might be tickle JohnMajors fancy but she doesnt do it for me


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 02:50 AM

Maybe so, Nigel, but if so it is a very biased quotation.    I don't think I am alone in freely admitting there are disadvantages to a customs union, but that is not the point. There are also advantages (as that link also points out), and the key factor from an economics viewpoint is which is greater.

I said somewhere in these threads over a year ago - I can't be bothered to track it down - that as a purely economics question it is very reasonable for any country to continually assess all its trade deals and determine if they are to its benefit or not. If not, then it is sensible to seek to change them. So - again in purely economics terms - it is reasonable to examine whether the EU relationship is a good idea or not continually and act accordingly. But my assessment, and those of most economics apart from the Minford school, it that the arrangement is in the UK's favour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 02:47 AM

Those are alternatives Nigel, not definitive rules
Iains isn't "relying" on anything otherwise he would have humiliated everybody by putting something up (which is what he tries to do) by putting it up - he made the definitive up in desperation on the spur of the moment
What Iains wants is to feel someone takes him seriously - obviously a big void in is life

Brexit is a massive leap in the dark where there are no guarantees about anything and no plans on where to go from here - it was sold on Xenophobia and nothing else - it has even taken a special meeting between racist Nigel Farage and racist Trump to back a 'No-Deal Brexit' and the latter is so unstable that what he says today is quite likely meaningless tomorrow

Edwina Currie put it in a nutshell - 'We'll muddle through somehow - Britain always has' - no way to run a country in today's unstable world

Waving possibilities about is as meaningless as making them up when it comes to planning a country's future
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 02:47 AM

Those are alternatives Nigel, not definitive rules
Iains isn't "relying" on anything otherwise he would have humiliated everybody by putting something up (which is what he tries to do) by putting it up - he made the definitive up in desperation on the spur of the moment
What Iains wants is to feel someone takes him seriously - obviously a big void in is life

Brexit is a massive leap in the dark where there are no guarantees about anything and no plans on where to go from here - it was sold on Xenophobia and nothing else - it has even taken a special meeting between racist Nigel Farage and racist Trump to back a 'No-Deal Brexit' and the latter is so unstable that what he says today is quite likely meaningless tomorrow

Edwina Currie put it in a nutshell - 'We'll muddle through somehow - Britain always has' - no way to run a country in today's unstable world

Waving possibilities about is as meaningless as making them up when it comes to planning a country's future
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 07:58 PM

Calls from people to Iains to give a link are fine, if they provide links for their statements as well.

It appears Iains may be relying on the following from Economics help:
Disadvantages of a customs union
•A country can't negotiate separate deals because there is a common external tariff. This reduces economic and national sovereignty. Critics of the EU argue it has meant the UK has experienced higher food prices and reduced the welfare of low-income consumers who face higher prices.•It is worth noting – Deals can be struck if they respect the common external tariff. Turkey is in a partial EU customs union so is free to negotiate deals in other areas like agriculture where it is not bound by its customs union arrangement.

•A country cannot give preferential tariffs to a declining industry. For example, if UK steel industry was having difficulty the government might like to put tariffs on imports to protect domestic sales, however, in a customs union you can't choose to have this separate tariff.
•Trade diversion. A common external tariff can lead to trade diversion. For example, when UK joined EEC, it had to raise tariffs on imports from the Commonwealth. This means higher prices for imports of butter and lamb.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 06:02 PM

The Cooper law is not yet agreed fully, but if it is I understand that obliges Teresa May to ask the EU for an extension.

I wonder what the consequence is if she decides not to? No penalty for breaking the law is defined, as far as I know. Being in contempt of Parliament had no effect. So what actually would be the consequence?

I was also trying to think of a precedent for a law that only applies to one person. There can't be many.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 04:58 PM

Top Cat.


Oops, did I interpret those initials wrong...? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 04:08 PM

”Say pretty please and I might give you some links, as you seem incapable of carrying out a simple internet search.”

Not incapable at all - I was working in IT programming on mainframes when you were still in the ACF - but I’m not wasting my time trawling through Right-Wing-Extremist garbage hunting for stuff that you’re too bone-idle, socially-inept, and plain, simple unprofessional to provide links to.

So you carry on belly-dancing, and I’ll have a good belly-laugh at a dozy, thick squaddie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 04:01 PM

Good to see the Nero d'Avola at £5.50, Dave, after the price hike to £6.50. A little beauty it is. Nirvana.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 03:22 PM

Are you going to answer a direct question, Squaddie? Short memory, or bare-faced liar, or (more likely) both?

I expect it’ll just be more barrack-room bully-boy tactics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 02:14 PM

oh, I know which Right-Wing-Extremist he dug it up from, Jim. Meaningless Righty-Confirmation-Bias.

He’s an even better wriggler than ol’ Keefy was - never answers a question, just obfuscates. I wonder if he’s a closet Belly-Dancer?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 02:05 PM

"Source? Try google!"
He means he made it up - sorry - too inventive - Guido made it up and decided he woudn't get away with it
Seargant Majors always aspire to be "offices and gentlemen - too thick to be real officers so they end up with power and no real authority
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 01:41 PM

An honest man - especially one who makes claims to have been ‘an officer and a gentleman’ - would be prepared to substantiate what he claims as facts.

No accreditation - more Right-Wing-Extremist nonsense, not even worth reading.

Your choice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 01:21 PM

Source? Try google! One of your cabal expects us to take all his warblings on trust. He has never provided a link in his life.

irritating isn't it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 12:43 PM

”The nitty gritty of Mays betrayal!
" Inside a customs union, “we would have to open up our markets to the third countries with which the EU had trade agreements, but the markets of such third countries would not be open to our exports since we would be outside the EU. And such third countries would have few incentives to sign trade agreements with us since their goods would already enjoy free access”.”


Source?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 12:26 PM

The nitty gritty of Mays betrayal!
" Inside a customs union, “we would have to open up our markets to the third countries with which the EU had trade agreements, but the markets of such third countries would not be open to our exports since we would be outside the EU. And such third countries would have few incentives to sign trade agreements with us since their goods would already enjoy free access”.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 11:06 AM

Well Pete, you may be right, but this isn't over until its over. The fight goes on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 10:26 AM

Funny, for almost three years we've been told that a majority is a majority no matter how small and now the same person is bleating because they lost of a small majoity.

Good eh!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 10:22 AM

A belter of an editorial in the Independent.

Drunk on their warped sense of nationalism, now Brexiteers are fighting for no deal "just because"

One of the many gems - So twice a day he appears on television, is asked for a comment and growls: “A customs union would make all our chickens explode. I could take on Portugal on my own, because when I was in the territorial army I marched three miles round Dorking one Saturday. Denmark is more horrible than an ostrich in your toilet. The only single market I’d vote for is one that sold fruit and veg and every morning shoved a grapefruit up Jean-Claude Juncker’s arse and made him dance the polka.”

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 10:14 AM

Why should we be cross? We either leave (on less than ideal terms) or we contest the EU and subsequent UK elections and obtain a far stronger mandate for our full departure in the future.
A little early for crowing by remainiacs methinks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 09:48 AM

"sadly, brexit is going to happen - why are the exiters so cross? "
Probably, but don't confuse annoyance for political ambition
Theer has been a power struggle going on for several years now
I'm not sure how funny a fargmented nation without a government and with a rapidly rising extremist right using those of d different ethnich origin as stepping stones to powe - ancally is
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 09:39 AM

sadly, brexit is going to happen - why are the exiters so cross? it is irritating that we are taking so long to sort out the details - but they could cheer up! 'what are we like, us daft old brits - it's been a right mix-up and no mistake but we got through it and we can have a good old laugh about it now'


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 08:08 AM

May asking for an extension till June - Tuske has d=suggested a year-long delay with the option for Britain to leave whenever they have a majority in parliament
To reprated the phrase borrowed from others because the borrower hasn't the imagination to come up with something of his own "you could not make this up"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 07:57 AM

After nearly three years of the Tories making a complete pigs ear of brexit I find it hilarious that the brexitaliban are now trying to shift the blame to a single ex-Labour MP.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 07:46 AM

You have to weep when you realise Brexit was destroyed by a majority of one in Parliament. A vote cast by a criminal wearing a tag, convicted of   perjury and perverting the course of justice.

THIS you could not make up!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 05:13 AM

Light relief
An article in this morning's Times suggests that, if you buy a sandwich in Derry and eat it in Donegal you would be guilty of smuggling
It boggles to think that if you buy it and eat it in Derry then travel to Donegal and have a crap, you would become a 'sandwich mule'
You 'ave to larf, dont'cha ?
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 04:58 AM

I'm fine with piss, shit, arse, tits, nuts, fanny and cock, if used wittily and appropriately, but I won't put my effin' and jeffin' in print, that's all (I'm good at it down the pub, mind). I'm not that prissy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 03:04 AM

Incidentally - I've learned to regard each uncontrollable outburst of abuse as a 'touché' - (a racist one counts as two) a handy thing to keep in mind
Perhaps we might set up a scoreboard with pints for prizes
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 02:36 AM

”This man is not worth the snot from your nose.”

That’s a nice turn of phrase. But, personally, I prefer “The steam off your piss”, though I do understand how that one may infringe Steve’s personal ‘no bad language’ red-line. Only slightly though! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 02:26 AM

Thanks Steve
Beyond me why he is allowed to remain
Somebody Up there Likes Him (my favourite Paul Newman film)
Don't sink to his level - that gives hin an excuse to go on - he knows why he behaves why he does - part of his job description
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 04:12 PM

Jim, you need a complete reset. This man is not worth the snot from your nose. Recognise it and laugh him off. Let me be the second person in this thread to seriously question his sanity. Actually, I don't think it needs a question. Ignore everything he posts, let him rattle around on his own and make himself miserable. No-one here takes him seriously and he has no influence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 11:22 AM

Whoops!
Ireland DITCHES Britain as less than HALF of Irish firms register for no deal trade
LESS than half of the 84,000 Irish companies that trade with Britain have registered for a customs number to continue doing so after Brexit.

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The Irish tax authority has warned business in the Republic could be cut off (Image: GETTY)

This revelation has triggered an intervention from the Irish tax authority which has warned business in the Republic could be cut off if Britain leaves the EU without a deal. Given close trading links to its nearest neighbour, Irish customs officials are braced for a 12-fold rise in the number of import and export declarations made by local companies if Britain leaves the European Union's customs union. With Britain at risk of crashing out of the EU as soon as next week, Ireland's Office of the Revenue Commissioners and government urged firms to apply for an Economic Operators Registration and Identification (EORI) number, which will be needed to continue to move goods to, from or through the UK. Irish Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe said on Twitter: “IMPORTANT: Businesses trading with UK will need an EORI customs number in a no deal Brexit.
Brexit: Varadkar warns no deal ‘particularly difficult’ for Ireland


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