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BS: Recipes - what are we eating?

Steve Shaw 13 Sep 20 - 08:17 PM
Jos 13 Sep 20 - 02:28 PM
Charmion 13 Sep 20 - 01:16 PM
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Charmion 12 Sep 20 - 11:08 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 08:17 PM

That's right. I buy rolled brisket at about one kilo. That will do both us twice, once hot, once cold.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Jos
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 02:28 PM

You don't have to have a whole brisket. Most is sold in smaller pieces.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 01:16 PM

Yesterday, I smoked beef ribs in our new Kamado cooker, to universal (well, Himself and the neighbours) acclaim. The process took six hours, not counting the time required to prepare the meat, and I must have dashed out the back door at least a dozen times to check the thermometer, even though I could see it quite clearly from the kitchen window.

The butcher was inordinately pleased to learn about this change in our cooking habits. “Brisket next?” he said eagerly, the gleam of opportunity in his eye. I rather doubt it; a brisket starts at four to five kilos, and we aren’t allowed to entertain a crowd big enough to eat all that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 10:17 AM

I know that recipe, Jos; in Germany, where I cooked it, it’s called Hasenpfeffer. The blood is used to thicken the sauce, like the egg in an old-fashioned fricassée, and it’s handled just like raw egg — tempered first with a bit of the hot liquid.

Himself came home from market with a large packet of mysterious sausages, half a dozen ears of corn, too many tomatoes again, enough peaches even for me, and a report on the imminent availability of chutney ingredients, specifically Italian blue plums.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Jos
Date: 13 Sep 20 - 04:51 AM

I did see a French recipe for jugged hare that included red wine and a lot of garlic, and the blood, but it was for a fresh hare. I suspect that the liquid after freezing would be rather different and I wouldn't use it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 08:53 PM

Whenever I thaw out any meat for cooking, there's blood that I always discard. I haven't read any recipes that say to use it. Dunno whether I'm right or wrong, but my instinct is to ditch it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 08:16 PM

We're all wondering now what he came home with!

I bought an asparagus cooker/steamer and it arrived this morning (via Amazon) so today I processed one jar of pickled okra. I only had enough okra for one jar and it would rot before I got enough for more; it's a slow year in a small garden. I'm also getting some nice cucumbers so I'll be doing single jars of cucumber pickles as well. If I do one jar a week until the first frost that might give me 7 or 8 jars of okra. Every little bit helps! Once the cucumbers get growing they produce pretty fast and I have a couple of more days before I start picking those. I do both processed and fermented cucumber pickles, and the variety I grow is recommended as best for pickling.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 11:08 AM

I’m with Jos on the rabbit issue.

I must confess to having done something very similar with duck blood and a small pan of gravy. Fortunately, the gravy was an after-thought nice-to-have, so I could bin it with only a small pang of regret and self-recrimination.

I sent Himself to the market again, and now I’m wondering what he will come home with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Jos
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 04:11 AM

What a waste. Even if you didn't fancy the sauce, the rabbit meat could still have been made into a lovely pie with a few tasty additions such as mushrooms, garlic, herbs ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 10:38 PM

Stilly, that is so exactly what I did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 09:53 PM

Wow. That sounds like a difficult choice. And a mistake you'll never make again. I would probably put it in the fridge to think about eating it then end up tossing it all later.

I am getting okra from the garden but not fast enough to save up for a large batch of pickled okra, so I'm going to plan B. I've ordered an Asparagus steamer that includes a lifter, a tall narrow pot that will hold a single jar at a time. I'll make the brine for my pickles ahead and when I get enough okra for a jar I'll pick one of my peppers to add to it, use some of my home-grown garlic, and pack a jar to process. That pot will heat quickly and do the job (heating a stock pot takes forever and probably runs up the electric bill). This way I can do the "small batch" approach of even a single jar. One at a time in a deep large pot would be very inefficient. I'll also be making some pickles, both processed and fermented, as my cucumbers grow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 07:35 PM

The juice from the thawed rabbit was partly blood — raw blood. When you put it in the hot stew, it cooked and, like raw egg, did so in a yucky fashion.

It should be safe to eat, but the texture leaves much to be desired.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 03:17 PM

Ok I made rabbit stew with some red wine and broth for the liquid. I had meant to add the juices from the defrosted rabbit but forgot. So I take all the rabbit pieces out, serve myself one with a bowl of sauce, then see the juice I had forgotten about and added it to the hot stew.
Baaaaaaad idea. The whole potful coagulated into something I am afraid to eat. It still *smells* tum, but looks like barf.
Do I have to throw the whole thing out? Can it be rescued? What happened?!?


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 11:26 AM

Excellent, Monique! I'm so glad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Monique
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 10:57 AM

Charmion, I made your gingered tomato marmelade, it's delicious! (more fat on my hips!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 10:05 AM

Ah, no, Mrrzy. This household already has a Little Red Dragon: Himself's car.

The kamado is also red, and it will belch fire if I open it recklessly, but so far it doesn't seem to be the kind of inanimate object that acquires a personal name -- not sure why. Its thermometer even looks a bit like the All-Seeing Eye ... but that's not a Good Thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Sep 20 - 10:11 PM

Nicknamed the Dragon, I presume.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Jos
Date: 10 Sep 20 - 12:23 PM

Thanks Charmion. If Mudcat had a like button, I take it I would have got a thumbs up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 10 Sep 20 - 10:48 AM

Our new Kamado Joe barbecue arrived yesterday. The kamado is an egg-shaped charcoal-fired outdoor cooker that can be used for roasting, smoking and baking (notably pizza) as well as grilling. For us, it is definitely an insane luxury, but my book contract and giving up (because of COVID-19) all the expensive fun things we like to do in summer provided enough excess capital to allow it. Besides, after 20 years of chickens and ribs, the old gas barbecue had become tricky and unpredictable.

After a trip to Crappy Tire for charcoal, which is much more expensive these days than I remember, I took the Kamado Joe for a spin last night with a pair of chicken legs. They came out delicious, which encouraged me no end. But I can see that the Big Thing about kamado cooking is managing the flow of air through the top and bottom vents, which is how one controls the internal temperature.

YouTube is full of helpful (and not very helpful) videos, so I'm learning fast. For my next trick, I shall smoke some beef ribs, a dish that Himself loves beyond all measure, which will require something like five hours of cooking at about 250 degrees Fahrenheit. I wonder if I can resist constantly running out the back door to check the thermometer on the Dome of the Beast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 10 Sep 20 - 10:27 AM

"Grok" is a Heinlein word, invented for his 1961 novel "Stranger in a Strange Land" to identify a degree of understanding that surpasses mere understanding, if you get my drift.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Jos
Date: 10 Sep 20 - 03:30 AM

Sorry, but what does "grok the fullness" mean?


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Sep 20 - 01:16 PM

Ah but it goes so well with the bacon! But I grok the fullness of no sweet in my savory foods.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Jos
Date: 09 Sep 20 - 08:06 AM

I might look for something else to coat the water chestnuts in, such as sesame seeds. I wouldn't want them to taste sweet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 05:40 PM

Better than bacon-wrapped dates are water chestnuts rolled in brown sugar then wrapped in bacon. Crunchier.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: leeneia
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 05:37 PM

Thanks for the article about dates, SRS. That was interesting.

As a gardener, I noticed the techniques used to coax the ancient seeds into germinating: warming, careful hydration, a plant hormone and enzymatic fertilizer. I wonder if home gardeners can get hold of that plant hormone and enzymatic fertilizer.

And now you've got me thinking that it's time to make a loaf of date bread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 05:33 PM

The caterers at the university where I worked used to have a nice array of appetizers to offer when we set up special events in the library. The one that people scooped up fastest was the bacon-wrapped dates.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 02:17 PM

Scroll up for recipe, Thompson.

I now eat crab and asparagus soup alla time. Takes no time, is delish, amazing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Thompson
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 12:08 PM

What is a copper popper?


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 10:09 AM

I would probably like those "copper poppers" rather too much, but Himself would take one look at the jalapeno peppers and flee.

Our gas barbecue (all the rage in 2000) had its swan song the other day, with a batch of smoked pork ribs that were really quite boffo. But it is now so wonky that cooking on it is an exercise in compromise, and it's not at all effective in cold weather, of which we have lots.

So, since we're brimming with spare money this year (not!), we have purchased a Kamado Joe, and it's coming tomorrow. Consequently, at my advancing age, I now have a whole new cooking technology to master.

YouTube is full of videos starring solemn men with advanced beards and leather-trimmed aprons demonstrating techniques with large cuts of meat slathered thickly with sauces made with improbable ingredients. (Finely ground coffee? Really?) They use "cook" as a noun to identify, not a person, but the experience of preparing food, as in, "That was a perfect cook" -- i.e., I achieved the result I hoped for. Much of their advice is useful, but their style kinda gets up my nose.

Does Nigella do barbecue?


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 09:46 AM

One "thing" - my kind of measurement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Amergin
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 02:16 AM

I call them Copper Poppers.

Copper Poppers

6 jalapenos, cut in half lengthwise
1 thing of softened cream cheese
some chives
some sliced mushrooms
shredded cheese.
12 rashers of bacon

preheat oven to 450 degrees

chop up chives, mix them with the cream cheese.

scoop seeds and core from jalapenos.

put a bunch of the cream cheese mixture in each half.

Lay a couple sliced mushrooms atop the cream cheese mixture.

Sprinkle with shredded cheese

wrap bacon rasher around jalapeno, and set aside, til you have a dozen ready.

Get a cookie sheet, lay it with foil or parchment paper. set a broiler rack atop it. Lay dozen copper poppers on the rack.

Bake for a half hour, then shut off the oven, and let it sit for another five minutes.

Put on a plate, enjoy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Sep 20 - 11:49 PM

Here's something new that's very old:

Aided by Modern Ingenuity, a Taste of Ancient Judean Dates

The harvest of the much-extolled but long-lost Judean dates was something of a scientific miracle. The fruit sprouted from seeds 2,000 years old.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 06:33 PM

I love duck eggs as I am not fond of the albumen, and duck eggs are mostly yolk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 12:54 PM

Next time I make custard (by which I mean the real thing), I'll nick a couple of Himself's stash of ducks' eggs and see what a difference they make.

School cookery class -- what a subject for discussion!

The only really useful thing I learned from cookery class -- that was in Grade 7, when I was 11 years old -- was how to make pancakes and quick-breads raised with baking powder without setting fire to the house. The cookery teacher's method of making cocoa was ridiculous -- it involved a syrup of water, sugar and cocoa powder -- and the unspeakable ado she generated over making soup belonged in a Feydeau farce. I learned more from my Dad, who introduced me to the mysteries of roux and omelette when I was about 12.

Beyond that, it was all cookbooks and taking chances.

Oddly, I have never much liked TV cooking shows or the videos that proliferate on YouTube. I like something I can prop up against the coffee-maker in the kitchen, and the 21st-century version of that is an iPad with the New York Times cooking app.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 12:26 PM

The dishes that let the eggy flavor through would really benefit from duck eggs, it sounds like. One of my favorite cookies is the Snickerdoodle*, and though the flour and sugar ratio would need to be adjusted to the larger volume of egg, I'd love to see how those tasted with duck eggs.


*The recipe was a regular on the bag of General Mills white flour for ages. We made them in Home Economics class in junior high school, the first time I ever had them, and it's about the only useful thing I remember from those classes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 10:22 AM

Duck eggs are much "richer" in flavour which makes for a great sponge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 10:00 AM

Raggy, what makes ducks' eggs better for sponge cake than chickens' eggs?

Cake is not my thing, so this query originates with Himself, who fancies ducks' eggs boiled for his breakfast and is willing to spend serious coin to get them. Himself also loves cake and would like more of it in his life.

I draw my cake line at fruitcake in the fall, and several forms of gingerbread. I admire people who can produce sponge cake at all, let alone on impulse, and achieve the desired result without fuss and fretting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 05:29 AM

I was given half a dozen Duck eggs yesterday, so my good lady with have a sponge cake this evening, probably packed with strawberries and cream.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 09:08 PM

Ok first ever asparagus crab soup. Yum, yum.

Was going to chop garlic and onion and ginger but lazed and opted for powder. Was out of garlic powder.
Set a kettle to boil, melt some butter in a pot, add hot pepper flakes and powders. Add chopped-on-diagonal aspergrass, cook 3 mn. Add some lemon juice. Add boiling water and chicken bouillon. When returns to boil, add crabmeat and the kernels off a cooked ear of corn. Bring back to boil but not on high flame. Taste, decide whether sour cream in the bowl would be a good idea. Turned off, let sit 5 mn. Serve into bowl with sour cream.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Thompson
Date: 31 Aug 20 - 04:35 AM

Meanwhile, a few jars of apple-and-ginger jam made and a few pots distributed, some apple-and-rose-hip jelly to be made from crab apples and the eglantine's hips, and a big bag of a neighbour's damsons waiting in the fridge for more Demerara sugar to arrive for jam-making.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Monique
Date: 30 Aug 20 - 05:23 PM

Thompson, I'll answer later, I'm on vacation with a tiny cellphone that wants to write as it sees fit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Aug 20 - 11:02 AM

The rice I use here for most of my cooking is a very long grain Basmati, but when we get together at the holidays to make the Puerto Rican dishes learned from my late mother-in-law, someone has to go out and buy a bag of the short grain "American" rice. It makes a difference that is more than aesthetic.

Most American mainstream grocery stores have a "long grain" rice that is a long grain of that American rice cultivar, but it isn't long compared to rice cultivars from other parts of the world. They will also have a few specialty varieties in small expensive packages and who knows how old they are if they don't sell well. If you go to one of the big import grocery stores here (I shop a Halal Middle Eastern market and one that is still locally referred to as "Saigon-Taipei" even through they changed their name and ownership a few years ago. They have an aisle of rice in the way you find snack chips or dog food in an American store. Bags and bags of different brands and varieties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 30 Aug 20 - 08:29 AM

Thompson, your recipe writer doesn’t know the difference between “substituted” and “replaced”. I see that error frequently these days.

The “medium-grain” white rice she wants you to use is probably an American cultivar. In my experience, “paella” is dish made with rice, not a type of rice, and it works best with a high-starch cultivar such as Arborio. The other white types she identifies are long-grain cultivars.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Aug 20 - 07:42 AM

Mongo pork chop tonight. Haven't decided how.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Thompson
Date: 30 Aug 20 - 07:34 AM

By the way, what on earth is this recipe writer talking about with "The medium grain white rice can be substituted with long or short grain white rice. This recipe is not suitable for: brown rice, arborio (risotto) rice, paella, basmati or jasmine rice"?

What is the rice she specifies?

https://www.recipetineats.com/zucchini-gratin-unintentionally-healthy/


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Thompson
Date: 30 Aug 20 - 05:25 AM

Very interesting about the Occitan words ending with S, Monique! What about names - Dumas, Dreyfus, Degas?

Does anyone make a tian? It sounds like something I'd like to add to the weekly round.

I make risotto in a pressure cooker, being terribly lazy and having to drag myself away from writing to cook. The pesto sounds like an interesting addition; best pesto I know is made with seaweed and sold by Blazing Salads in Dublin. I approached it with caution but became a wild-eyed convert after tasting it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 28 Aug 20 - 09:34 AM

Smothered chicken. It's a southern American thing that probably started out French.

Spatchcock a smallish chicken -- a bit more than a kilo in weight is best -- and salt and pepper it well. Take a large skillet, oil it lightly, and heat it; when it is hot but not scorching, lay the chicken in it with the skin side down. Choose a plate (not your best Wedgwood) that is a a bit smaller in diameter than the skillet and put it on top of the chicken with enough weight on it to squash the chicken as flat as it will go. (I recommend two large tins of tomatoes or a small kettlebell.) Turn down the heat under the skillet to a bare murmur, leave it be for about half an hour, then turn the chicken (I use two egg-turners, one in each hand), put the weight back, and cook for half an hour more.

Take the chicken out of the skillet and put it on a platter. Reduce the amount of fat in the skillet to about two tablespoons, saute some garlic in it, then make a roux with two tablespoons of flour. Add two ounces of white wine (I use dry vermouth) and let it boil, then 14 ounces of chicken stock and some thyme or tarragon. Bring it up to a boil and put the chicken back in the skillet, cut side down (no need for the weight). Reduce the heat so the sauce just simmers, put the lid on, and cook until the chicken is thoroughly done.

Put the chicken back on the platter and cut it into serving pieces. Raise the heat under the skillet and finish the sauce, reducing it to the correct consistency and adding salt and pepper if necessary. I like to toss in a chopped scallion and maybe some parsley at this point. Pour the sauce into a gravy boat. Serve with rice or mashed potatoes and green beans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 20 - 06:22 AM

Just call the whole thing off and call it a butty. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Monique
Date: 27 Aug 20 - 06:20 AM

Ah Mrrzy, the plural of words of English origin have been gallicized and we have "des sandwichs", "des matchs", "des coachs"... and the final "s" is silent -like all the final "s" in French except in words of Occitan origin (pastis!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 20 - 06:13 AM

You could be an accent coach for Jollywood Monique :^/


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