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BS: Recipes - what are we eating?

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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 10:03 AM

"Vegan" butter is margarine, renamed by today's cool kids.

Corn-oil margarine was what my Jewish classmates had on their all-beef salami (Shopsy's, with the rabbinical seal of approval on the wrapper) sandwiches back in 1965. Parev, so okay with meat. Roll the calendar forward about half a century and lo! it's being marketed to a new dietary minority.

That's fine, as long as I don't have to eat it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 04:48 AM

I suppose so. Grunt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: BobL
Date: 17 Sep 19 - 03:10 AM

Vegan butter is in good, or at any rate acceptable, non-dairy company: peanut butter, apple butter, shea butter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 07:51 PM

Canola is controversial in the UK. Last time I heard, most canola grown in Canada was GM, enabling farmers to use glyphosate weedkiller on the growing crop. Well we don't allow GM crops here. Oilseed rape is lovely and yellow but it is environmentally unfriendly, requiring lots of pesticide input, and it requires heavy nitrogen fertilising. I haven't researched the other oils as much in these regards, but I won't be buying canola/rapeseed oil any time soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 05:42 PM

The only oils I use these days are groundnut oil for really hot frying, everyday extra virgin olive oil such as Napolina for general cookery and a top-quality extra virgin olive oil for salad dressing and sprinkling on a finished pasta dish or pizza (a bottle lasts for ages). For certain dishes it has to be butter, for example in risottos, and for frying eggs it's butter for me every time. There are some shortcuts I simply don't take. I don't use tomato or garlic purée. The only dried herb I will ever use is oregano. If a recipe calls for lemon juice, it comes out of a real lemon, never a bottle, and cheap watery balsamic vinegar has no place in my house. An expensive bottle of that lovely, thick balsamic lasts for ages, and it's great for mixing with olive oil as a salad dressing or to dip your bread into (which they never do in Italy) or sprinkling on a bowl of strawberries, though round here it has to compete with good old Cornish clotted cream.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 04:21 PM

Never been to Canada, SRS, but I imagine some of the land and climate there would be similar to where it is grown here.

Also, whatever you spread your toast with, next time you make beans on toast, try dabbing in some mint sauce.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 01:13 PM

Rape seed oil is labeled "Canola" in the US - an abbreviation for Canadian Oil Association


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 12:13 PM

Well it's not butter, in the same way that a Linda McCartney sausage is not a sausage and a nut cutlet is not a cutlet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 12:09 PM

Thanks Leeneia - when my bottle of rapeseed runs out I will look to give walnut oil a go (a few years ago, I spent quite a while looking for rapeseed oil in a supermarket, before realising it was labelled vegetable oil).

And, sorry Steve, I still can't think of a better term than "vegan butter"...maybe not Full Monty Margarine?!


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 11:03 AM

Mrrzy, it's probably in this thread somewhere. We covered just about every aspect of the topic in 400+ posts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 10:18 AM

Man I saw an article on whiskey versus whisky and now can't find it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 08:37 AM

Steve, the first carbonara I ever ate, made by my Norwegian first husband (aka Mr Wrong), had streaky bacon, rather a lot of frozen peas, bechamel sauce, and no egg. I liked it then, but have since learned better.

Of course, Norwegians would put bechamel sauce on a peach Melba if you let them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 05:18 AM

There's nothing weird about pancetta. It's the Italian take on streaky bacon, and many an hotel restaurant in Italy will serve it fried for breakfast. Delicious. You can occasionally buy it in the piece, but generally it's sold either as a small dice (cubetti) or as very thin slices, which look just like a fine version of streaky bacon. Pancetta is cured pork belly (as is streaky bacon) with no rind. Drape a slice or two over your baked chicken pieces for the last ten minutes for a lovely salty crunch. I can't imagine a meaty ragu, or a meaty risotto, that doesn't start with some sautéed pancetta that adds flavour depth as well as some lovely rich fat to fry your onions. I generally use the unsmoked version. Like most cured meats, it carries that baggage of nitrites/nitrates that worry some people. Not me. Streaky bacon is a good substitute though it may need a bit more cooking.

For me, pork belly is the tastiest part of the pig with the possible exception of guanciale (cured pig's cheek). You can use pancetta cubes instead of guanciale in carbonara, though the latter is more traditional (and even more delicious). I've even used sliced pancetta when the shops are closed and I've felt the urgent need for carbonara. It works. If you put cream in your carbonara, though, I may never speak to you again...


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 10:39 PM

I have also printed up Steve's tomato soup recipe to try soon. I'll work out something to use instead of pancetta (I don't know if I've seen it around here, I'll have to look.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 09:39 PM

Does a flank steak marinade have to have a salt component? I find oil, vinegar or lemon, and spices/herbs to be just ducky. Am I missing something?


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: leeneia
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 09:28 PM

I looked up what pancetta is. Raw pork belly, salted and hung for at least three weeks in a cool place. That is not going to fly in my house.

Walkie, I have cracked-wheat toast with walnut oil on it for breakfast every weekday morning. That's similar to your toast and rapeseed oil. (Walnut oil is said to be good for the heart.) A friend of mine learned to do it on a trip to France and shared the idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 03:51 PM

What would you call it then, Steve?! Vegan margarine? Vegan spread (but that could other spreads). The brand Vitalite call it Dairy Free Spread.

I drink soya milk...is that okay?!


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 03:46 PM

"Vegan butter"? Call it sommat else! I can't believe it's not not butter!


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 03:16 PM

Out of vegan butter today, I drizzled rapeseed oil on toast, topped with mushrooms, beans and rice plus, as ever, plenty of tomato sauce. My poem "My Diet".


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 03:25 AM

You could use streaky bacon, which I suppose is what pancetta is anyway. Go easy on the olive oil at the beginning, as you'll get a fair bit of fat from the bacon/pancetta, and you'll get more still if you use your home-made chicken stock. Chef's instinct!


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 08:57 PM

Steve Shaw, I’m a-gonna make that this week.

I have chicken stock in the freezer and a bowlful of tomatoes on the sideboard, but pancetta requires a trip to Kitchener, 40 km away. I also want pignoli, so the trip won’t be wasted.

I’m always in the market for a great soup recipe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 07:34 PM

Here's Gino's amazing soup. Apologies for the fact that it's not exactly a pure tomato soup, but it's so good...

For four people, you need half a pound of pancetta (not smoked, and it can be little cubes or, as I prefer, snipped-up thin slices), a pound and a half of finely-sliced onions (he sez white, but I use banana shallots), peeled weight, two and a half pints of chicken stock (feel free to use organic stock cubes), and a 400g can of good-quality tomatoes (or use your own) and a big glug of extra virgin olive oil.

Gently fry the onions and bacon in the oil for a good fifteen minutes until all is soft and squishy. Throw in the tomatoes and stock. Season, bearing in mind the saltiness of the pancetta. Simmer for a good half-hour. At the end, check the seasoning again.

Serve this with some parmesan shavings on top together with a few torn basil leaves. Keep the EV olive oil bottle to hand. Given a huge hunk of crusty bread with abundant butter and you have a meal, not just a starter. If there's a better soup, I've yet to meet it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 02:40 PM

Admittedly not a pure tomato soup, but Gino D'Acampo's tomato, onion and pancetta soup is as good as soup gets. I could give the recipe but I'm in a bit of a hurry right now. Then, for a different take, there's pappa al pomodoro, a lovely thick Tuscan tomato soup made with stale bread.

Just one thing: if you use good quality canned Italian plum tomatoes, your soup will be as good or better than soup made with fresh. "Good quality" is paramount. Here in the UK I've used Cirio, Napolina and Waitrose own-brand to good advantage. No canned tomatoes should contain salt or herbs or garlic. If you want any of that, use plain canned tomatoes and add the other stuff yourself. A half-teaspoon of sugar added to ANY tomato sauce or soup is a touch of magic. All right, don't believe me...


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 12:54 PM

Tomato soup is surprisingly challenging, Jon Freeman, largely because its success depends entirely on the quality of the tomatoes. (Fresh, ripe Romas are the best.) Do too much to a tomato soup, and it fails because it's not actually tomato soup; it's a something-else soup with tomatoes in it. But if you do too little, the taste is off unless you're very lucky. Tomatoes need salt and sometimes a touch of sugar to get the flavour right.

It's cream of tomato soup that I loathe. Even when made lovingly from scratch by a kitchen expert, its flavour often has an undernote of library paste, and the texture is awful unless you purée it perfectly and strain out every seed, which is way more work than it's worth. In restaurants, the "home-made" tomato soup never is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Sep 19 - 10:37 AM

Well our plumb tomatoes have gone to tomato soup, some for freezing. Not tasted yet as mum is still working on it but feel confident will come out nice.

I’m not sure what it is with me and tomato soup but I’d go as far as to say that I've had some (including the Heinz tins) that I either don’t think much of or actively dislike. The simple Delia recipe (or the combination of that and the fresh ripe Roma?) she’s using is however one I’ve enjoyed in the past.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 06:11 PM

Tonight I cooked Mrs Steve and me a simple steak dinner. The steak was thin-cut sirloin, which I trimmed of most of its rim of fat and carefully removed the veinings of that translucent connective tissue that doesn't render with flash-frying. I don't understand that stuff on a rare-to-medium-rare steak. It doesn't render at all in that short cooking time and I'm not up for chewing rubber. Anyway, I put the fatty trimmings in a small saucepan, heated it gently for half an hour and ended up with enough lovely beef fat to cook the steaks in my best frying pan. No flavour of the fat lost, and a decent cook's nibble for me... Don't tell her...

Before I cooked the steak I got my accompaniments sorted out. First, the chips. I had some lovely salad potatoes which I cut into chips (skin on). They were par-boiled in well-salted water for seven minutes, drained, roughed up then coated in hot groundnut oil on a baking tray. They went into a very hot oven for about 20 minutes. The veg was tenderstem broccoli, which was boiled for about six minutes in salted water (I don't believe in steaming). I also chopped up a big handful of my home-grown cherry tomatoes, adding a tablespoon of capers, seasoning and a good pinch of dried oregano. Stand by...

The steaks were fried in a very hot pan (my best one) in a smearing of that beef fat I mentioned. 60 seconds per side, then on to a hot plate which I covered up and then put into a warm oven to rest. The tomato mix went straight into the frying pan with the meaty juices, and the broccoli went on.

Six minutes later, chips went on warm plates, then the steak, then the broccoli then the tomato sauce. Bejaysus, we ate well tonight...


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 02:45 PM

I suspect the naming extends beyond supermarkets. I’d doubt that Buttercup Farm (from whom we got some quite reasonable outdoor furniture), Farbrook Farms (sometimes used for bird food) or Wiltshire Farms (frozen meals, probably targeted at the less able) have much to do with farming.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 11:48 AM

That sounds amazing, Charmion! I had to pull up a conversion table to figure the proportion of the veg to the eggs (we don't do grams down here very often.)

We also had eggs last night. I made a modified Quiche Lorraine for friends - no crust, baked in a Bundt pan. And I decided I wanted to increase it from 2 cups of milk to three, adding an extra egg. I realized I had only 2 1/4 cups of milk after I'd added the extra egg, so I scooped some whole milk yogurt into the cup, thinned with a little water, and mixed it all into the milk. Onions had been sauteed and small florets of broccoli added (I have a vegetarian friend so no bacon). The Swiss cheese was in a stack of slices so I ran them over the slicing edge of the grater and ended up with long thin strips that I spread around.

The resulting quiche was delicious, and interesting, but probably not typical. The cheese wasn't really mixed around much so there was a stringy layer in there, so we had to pull each serving loose from the rest like a stingy piece of pizza or lasagna.

I winged it for the rest of the meal - I'd picked up some small (but not new) red lasoda potatoes and simmered them to the point where I could easily pierce with a knife, then cooled. When it was close to time to eat I put a couple of tablespoons of butter (and kept adding as needed) into a skillet, took each potato and leaned on it just enough until the skin was split and it was a bit smashed but not broken apart. They were lowered into the butter and sauteed on both sides, and ground pepper and salt over the top. These went so nicely beside the quiche, and the rest was a fruit salad a friend bought. Various types of iced tea (we are in Texas!) accompanied it.

Dessert was cranberry bars that I have probably describe before in this thread. Weeks ago I used my steam juicer to get the juice from several pounds of frozen cranberries and kept the pulp sweet/tart complement to the meal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 10:56 AM

You can also slip the frittata on to a large plate, then invert it back into the pan to cook the top. Most times when I've tried that I've failed abysmally. So I resort to your grilling-the-top method. I always worry about how "done" the underneath is. Good grub though, even if you've managed to wreck it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 09:55 AM

We have that same "farms" branding in Canada and the U.S. I assume that the corporate behemoths behind most of the cheese we see in supermarkets (such as Kraft in this country) want us to be so distracted by nostalgic visions of milkmaids and farm wives meditatively turning cheeses in breezy creameries that we don't ever bother to look at, let alone think about, their real production methods.

This summer I added frittate, learned from the famous Marcella Hazan, to our rotation of supper dishes. It's not exactly low-cal, but what really good dish is?

Frittata is an Italian egg dish that includes grated Parmesan or Pecorino Romano cheese and rather a lot of cooked veg. For two people, four to six eggs (depending on appetite and what else is to be served), 20 to 30 grams of cheese, and a substantial heap (250 to 300 grams) of steamed broccoli, blanched haricots verts, blanched asparagus or what you will, as long as it's not what I think of as a wet veg -- i.e., not tomatoes. (I often use a mix we call "veg haché", which includes cauliflower, broccoli, zucchini (aka courgette) and red onion, all sliced fairly fine and sautéed fast with olive oil and garlic.)

First, turn on the broiler so it's good and hot when you want it.

Then beat the eggs in a large bowl, add the grated cheese and then the cooked veg. If the veg has cooled, good for you for thinking ahead. If not, add it gradually while beating so the egg doesn't curdle.

Use a skillet than can go under the broiler. Put it on the hob, add a substantial knob of butter, and let the butter foam and get a bit brown, as for omelette. Add the egg-and-veg mixture and cook as for omelette.

When the sides are cooked but the top is still runny, pop the skillet under the hot broiler and leave it there until the entire top of the frittata is brown and puffy.

Frittate can be served either hot or at room temperature, as the main dish with bread, or cut in wedges as part of a selection of antipasti.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 04:31 AM

And I know that there IS an Oakham, but the M&S chickens bearing that name come from nowhere near the real Oakham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 04:23 AM

Supermarkets here invent suitably rustic-sounding fake names to make it sound like their produce comes from rural idylls. In truth, much produce comes from dozens or hundreds of farms. There are names like Willow Farms, Ashfield Farm, Oakham Chickens, Birchwood Farm, Farm Stores, Lochmuir Salmon. These places simply don't exist, and the names are used to fool us into thinking that their produce ISN'T produced on an industrial scale in locations they'd rather we didn't see. Cathedral City cheese is produced not far from us, an hour's drive from the nearest cathedral city, and its milk comes from around 300 farms, arriving in massive articulated tankers. A few years ago its advertising included lovely photos of the Cornish coast at Bedruthan Steps and made great play of the association with the wild Atlantic Ocean. Well it would take you a good hour to drive from the cheese factory to Bedruthan Steps, and the extremely ugly factory, owned by Dairy Crest, is close to a disused airfield miles from the nearest seaside and certainly not within sight of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stanron
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 03:13 AM

Stilly River Sage wrote: Is that Mt. St. Helens in Washington State? )
This is a UK cheese. There's a place called St Helens, note no apostrophe, near Liverpool UK but this product is labelled made in York. YO42 4NP. Nice cheese, soft and crumbly, a bit like Cheshire cheese.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Sep 19 - 01:05 AM

if god had intended us to follow recipes, He wouldn't have given us Fanny Craddock.”


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 11:42 PM

Is that Mt. St. Helens in Washington State? We seem to be having a lot of cross-pollination of our cooking cheeses in this thread. (I grew up near there, even climbed that one before it blew it's top.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stanron
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 06:16 PM

St Helen's Farm mild goats milk cheese, as sold by Tesco, melts nicely for cheese on toast and makes a very good cheese sauce for cauliflower cheese. I'll be nibbling thin slices with a glass or two of port tomorrow night.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 05:49 PM

"I don't object to goat cheese, I just don't have much experience with it. It comes in things and I eat it, but I haven't learned enough about it to really know what to do with it other than crumble on salad."

It could have been me saying that. In my case I wouldn't even crumble it on salad, but I wouldn't crumble any cheese on salad...


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: BobL
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 02:07 AM

Try it (goat cheese) melted it on mushrooms - big flat ones - under the grill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 09:44 PM

I have a casserole thing I make with zucchini or yellow squash or calabash, any of the type where you don't seed or peel them; onions, peppers (bell peppers of whatever color is available - there are some beautiful jewel colors, not just green any more), a cut up link of Italian sausage, tomatoes (usually home canned or a store-bought can), cut up squash, some cheese (provolone, mozzarella, etc.) melted into the mix, a little wine if I have it, and at the end add a little water if I need so I can add some pasta to simmer. Parmesan cheese is good added also, at the end. Today I had a little container of crumbled goat cheese a friend had left here on her last visit and she's coming again tomorrow so I figured I ought to use it up. It's different, it melted into the juices and it's creamy; I wouldn't do it again intentionally but I'm not throwing it away either.

I don't object to goat cheese, I just don't have much experience with it. It comes in things and I eat it, but I haven't learned enough about it to really know what to do with it other than crumble on salad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 09:16 PM

I never overcook my fish, Stilly...

We had my somewhat unconventional chicken arrabbiata on Sunday. For two of us I used about 300g of skinless, boneless free-range chicken breast cut into bite size, a can and a half of Italian plum tomatoes (or skin your own ripe ones), two cloves of garlic, sliced (not minced, not ever!), a good pinch of chilli flakes, or chopped up chillis, to taste (I like it hot), four tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil and some chopped fresh parsley. The pasta we had was bronze-die pennone (big tubes). I don't care for those slippery little penne pasta tubes. I want more bite. 200g is more than enough.

Sauté the chilli and garlic gently in the oil in a big heavy frying pan for a couple of minutes. Turn the heat up a bit and add the tomatoes, parsley and some seasoning. At this point, put on the pasta in loads of salted boiling water and set the timer for what it says on the packet. No self-respecting Italian cook EVER adds oil to the pasta water. Keep stirring that sauce to break up the tomatoes and simmer it gently uncovered. When the pasta has about seven or eight minutes to go, stir-fry the chicken in a bit of hot oil in a separate pan (don't let olive oil smoke though). When the chicken is nicely coloured all over (two minutes) stir it into the tomato sauce. Let that simmer gently for a few minutes until the pasta is ready. Drain the pasta, retaining a mug full of pasta water just in case (I usually need a little bit for this). Throw the pasta into the sauce and turn off the heat. Mix thoroughly: you want the sauce to coat the tubes inside and out. Add a splash of pasta water if you think it's a bit too dry. Serve on warm bowls, sit on the sofa, lean over your bowl and devour with a fork whilst watching Strictly Come Dancing.

I got the idea of adding something proteinaceous to arrabbiata from Gino D'Acampo. He uses raw skinless salmon, cut up into small cubes, instead of the chicken. You just throw the fish into the sauce at the end, one minute before adding the pasta. The salmon cooks perfectly in the hot mix in less than two minutes. Trust me!

No cheese needed either. I suppose you could add Parmesan or pecorino to the chicken version, but in Italy it's a mortal sin to put Parmesan anywhere near fish.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: open mike
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 02:21 PM

For pizza i like the various vegetarian pepperoni options avaialable.
the weather is turning cchilly....nearly frost time....and the house could use a warming from the oven being on...I plan todo a Mock Mince Meat pie with green tomatoes, apples and raisins today. A traditional fall recipe....my mom often made it for her uncle.

Also i will be making a sauce from strawberries and rhubarb...maybe even a pie from that too.

A couple of days ago i made a cheese cake....to take to a memorial for a friend who has passed away. It was a Kentucky Derby Cheese cake with graham cracker crust, and a topping of caramel with nuts and bourbon.    i added cocoanut to the topping, too. sort of llike german cake frosting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 12:12 PM

Friends are coming over for an informal dinner this week (we alternately talk about everything in the world and bitch about our old employer) so the challenge of making things that a vegetarian can eat that doesn't make him feel like an afterthought. The quiche will be made without bacon (he is okay with eggs and milk) and other things will have meat options (if we have pizza we make them each ourselves and the toppings are various.) Usually this time of year I would be using the copious tomatoes and eggplants from the garden, but the garden just never took off this year. I'm lucky I have herbs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Sep 19 - 03:02 PM

That "white stuff" is some of the fat from the salmon and is very healthy for you if you eat it, but there should be plenty more in the meat. Depending on how thick that fillet is, you may be cooking it a bit too long. Let it be flaky but it doesn't need to turn completely solid pink from being well-done.

Quiche isn't a whole bunch of ingredients, just a few. I saute and crumble bacon that is combined with chopped and sauteed onions, add it to the pan, then it's the usual custard mix of eggs and milk. I usually sink some kind of vegetable in there, like small florets of broccoli. You could make them with all sorts of stuff, but those are the basics. You could make a crust and bake it like a tart or a pie, but I make it in a non-stick bundt pan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 08 Sep 19 - 12:47 PM

Not cooking yet but might be tomorrow. Dad said he a got me a nice birthday cake yesterday. I didn’t feel like the cake, perhaps as I’d eaten too much chocolate, but took a look at the cake today. What he thought was a cake is a packet of “Betty Crocker Supermoist Triple Chocolate Fudge cake mix” he must have found on Amazon!

I’m not 100% sure I fancy something that says “Partially Produced with Genetic Engineering” but I’ll give it a whirl and should be able to persuade mum to make some chocolate butter icing to go with it (possibly easy but I’ve never made it).


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 07 Sep 19 - 07:11 PM

Last night, we had a Russian friend in for dinner and gave him a completely American meal — the ribs I wrote about a few days ago with corn on the cob, a big green salad and cornbread (which is indissoluble from barbecue), followed by mixed berry cobbler.

Himself and our guest, who is young and therefore sturdy of digestion, ate themselves into a shared food coma.

It’s been a while since I fed a man in the prime of his life, and it ain’t half amazing to watch the groceries vanish.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 19 - 07:05 PM

Quiche??

I can only do simple cooking. I can't do stuff with big lists of ingredients. If I have a piece of fish, or a steak, I need to know how long it needs, not what esoteric additives might enhance it (unless I can do them in advance). That doesn't mean I'm timid. Far from it. I always try to get the best quality ingredients and I want to keep the cooking simple.

Tonight we had some thick skin-on fillets of wild Alaskan sockeye salmon. It isn't river salmon, the preserve of the hooray Henrys this end, but it's pretty good. For me, it's gentle pan-frying in butter for ten minutes, with a quick flip with two minutes to go. I don't know what that white stuff is, but it's easy enough to gently scrape it off.

We had that with tenderstem broccoli and a tangy tomato sauce made from my own Sungold tomatoes. And salad potatoes (the bigger ones cut in half) baked for half an hour with extra virgin olive oil and seasoning in a hot oven.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 06 Sep 19 - 12:56 PM

I think others might call that meal a tart but it is a (savoury) flan at home.

Today’s was a bit of a “use up” job. Shallots had hung in the porch for months, mushrooms needed using and the number of ripe tomatoes in the kitchen has been increasing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Charmion
Date: 06 Sep 19 - 12:27 PM

Jon Freeman, you will have soggy-bottom problems any time you put raw tomatoes -- or, indeed, any other fruit -- into a pastry case without something to either absorb or thicken the juice. Tapioca does the job nicely with berries, stone fruit, apples or pears, but I've never tried to put tomatoes in a pie (other than pizza) so that one's a bit of a poser for me. Perhaps a tablespoon of seasoned flour would work ... or just live with the sog, since it tastes good.

Major kudos for extempore cookery, though.

Can something be a flan if it doesn't involve custard? Colour me Canadian, and consequently ignorant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Sep 19 - 12:24 PM

Over the last couple of years I've been making quiche in a non-stick bundt pan instead of a pie pan with a crust. It comes out great, was gluten free when I was avoiding such things, and looks really pretty. (We dish it out of the pan, we don't turn it out.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Recipes - what are we eating?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 06 Sep 19 - 12:08 PM

I got today’s tea, an attempt at a flan, a bit wrong. I don’t think I baked the case I made first from frozen pastry long enough and perhaps my filling (sliced shallots and mushrooms softened in the pan, a bit of lemon thyme, some of our salad tomatoes sliced added uncooked and topped with a cheese sauce) was a bit wet. It looked good coming out of the oven and tasted nice but was spoiled a bit by the pastry having a soggy bottom.


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