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BS: Refugee Clampdown

Iains 01 Jul 18 - 02:04 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 Jul 18 - 02:00 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 Jul 18 - 01:43 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Jul 18 - 01:38 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Jul 18 - 01:36 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Jul 18 - 01:35 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Jul 18 - 01:33 PM
Iains 01 Jul 18 - 01:11 PM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Jul 18 - 12:51 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Jul 18 - 10:19 AM
David Carter (UK) 01 Jul 18 - 07:26 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Jul 18 - 07:13 AM
Iains 01 Jul 18 - 07:06 AM
Dave the Gnome 01 Jul 18 - 06:56 AM
Iains 01 Jul 18 - 06:53 AM
Iains 01 Jul 18 - 06:43 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Jul 18 - 06:36 AM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Jul 18 - 06:29 AM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Jul 18 - 06:02 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Jul 18 - 05:45 AM
Iains 01 Jul 18 - 05:27 AM
David Carter (UK) 01 Jul 18 - 04:46 AM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Jul 18 - 04:43 AM
Nigel Parsons 01 Jul 18 - 04:43 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 02:04 PM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 01:35 PM




                            .!

I must congratulate you! Out of 24000 "musings" the above at 01:35
is the most succinct and sensible one from you.
    This thread has become circular, and somebody started a new thread. I'm going to close this thread and ask people to post on the Walk or Die thread. Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 02:00 PM

Your=You're.

Before the grammar police arrive...


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 01:43 PM

Your a bad lad, Jim. You know you shouldn't mock the afflicted :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 01:38 PM

Didn't I tell you this was good fun Dave - and easy?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 01:36 PM

WHAT YOU ARE SUPPORTING


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 01:35 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 01:33 PM

You are a total hypocrite Keith
You have answered nothing apart from that you are happy that Britain lives off the profit of financing mass murderers
Christians - I've shit better
Don't call us, we won't call you
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 01:11 PM

Seems the refugee/asylum seeker/immigrant deal within the EU was false news after all!


https://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkels-coalition-partner-escalates-asylum-row/a-44481333


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 12:51 PM

Dave,
Even moderators have commented on the wild mood swings and Mitty-like claims.
Where can I see this please?

Jim,
Then why don't you protest about the fact that is is happening

I find it very distressing, but the causes are complex. They are mostly fleeing poverty. They are ruthlessly exploited by the traffickers. The traffickers promise them they will be rescued from the sea by the West. The West can not leave them to drown so aid the traffickers.
There is no single culprit or cause to protest.

If you agree that selling these weapons is wrong, why do you keep accusing those who protest against it as "having it in for Britain"

It is not wrong to be a responsible arms trader. UK has the tightest controls of any nation.
If you want to discuss the arms trade, start a thread. Yemenis are not significantly part of the refugee crisis yet. Iran is sponsoring the war there and have launched attacks on Saudi.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 10:19 AM

"Lacquer does have fairly substantial academic credentials,"
Looking at some of his earlier stuff, I would think that what you say is about right David.
The sites that are promoting him are full of pretty nightmare stuff.
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 07:26 AM

Lacquer does have fairly substantial academic credentials, but he is now 97, and seems to be letting his background and prejudices get in the way of his scholarship.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 07:13 AM

"Best just ignored, Jim."
Iaians is now on my 'ignored list' - i hate trtying to talkk to beople with an ill-brought-up brat in the room - especially when he runs around pretending he's an adult , doesn't everybody?
Keith's just a bit of fun - watch..
Keith
Britain has just sold 48 fighter jets to the Saudis who will certainly use them against the Yemenis, if they aren't already doing so
The Yemen already has immense problems arising from the war and from the famine
Do you think it right for Britain to sell military equipment for such use to such people?
Do you agree that this will add to the refugee crisis?
If you agree that selling these weapons is wrong, why do you keep accusing those who protest against it as "having it in for Britain" ?
If you don't believe such trade to be wrong, why do you descrbe yourself as a moderate and a Christian?
No bullshit or bluster - simple answers please
Jim Carroll
By the way, I couldn't give two ***** who else is trading in weapons - I am talking about our elected government acting on our behalf and covering the hands of our, (the British) people with Third World blood


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 07:06 AM

Even moderators have commented on the wild mood swings and Mitty-like claims.

Sounds more like Jim to me. Care to offer proof to the contrary? or are you simply sniping as usual?


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 06:56 AM

Best just ignored, Jim. Even moderators have commented on the wild mood swings and Mitty-like claims.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 06:53 AM

"The best emetic in the world is facing the facts"
Is this a comment on your present medical condition or are you simply acknowledging the fact that for you it is sickening to accept reality?
This could explain your increasingly bizarre postings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 06:43 AM

"Walter Lacquer has established his credentials as a Muslim-hating bigot who claims their religion is threatening the world "

Strange. After a thorough internet search I find no one to support your view. This would lead me to suspect that perhaps it is you that is the bigot, and that you cannot accept others do not follow your narrow, perverted view of the world. It is your inability to accept this self evident truth that eventually leads to numerous thread closures. Your provocative post above is simply trolling or as I prefer to say, simply frothing nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 06:36 AM

"I find it sick."
Then why don't you protest about the fact that is is happening rather than defending Britain's role im making it happen
The best emetic in the world is facing the facts
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 06:29 AM

This cartoon was produced in a current thread, and lauded by Raggytash and a few others.
It shows EU leaders grinning and waving to drowning and distressed migrants in boats. Theresa May is portrayed standing in one of the boats to make some point or other about Brexit.
I find it sick.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2018/jun/29/martin-rowson-on-theresa-may-v-the-eu-27-cartoon#img-1


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 06:02 AM

David,
Actual historians are ones who work in university history departments, not failed journalists like Max Hastings.

I agree.
I remind Jim that he could not find one current academic historian working in universities who agreed his views, and he still cannot.

I was able to quote many in support of my case. Max hastings was not one of my sources.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 05:45 AM

" I tend to believe actual historians over those whose political opinions do not allow them to believe the historians."
No Keith you tend to take bits from historians you have'ny read, and distort them to get them to look as if they support your point of view
To use historians you nead to read what they actually say not what you wish they had said
I agree with Iains totally - Walter Lacquer has established his credentials as a Muslim-hating bigot who claims their religion is threatening the world - a sort of Islamophobe David Irving
You and Iains are a matched pair
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 05:27 AM

Historians like walter laqueur for example.
       He was Director of the Institute of Contemporary History and the Wiener Library in London from 1965 to 1994,[2] From 1969 he was a member, and later Chairman (until 2000), of the International Research Council of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Washington.[2] He was Professor of the History of Ideas at Brandeis University from 1968 to 1972, and University Professor at Georgetown University from 1976 to 1988. He has also been a visiting professor of history and government at Harvard, the University of Chicago, Tel Aviv University and Johns Hopkins University.

Despite what jimmy says, I think he establishes his credentials beyond dispute.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 04:46 AM

Actual historians are ones who work in university history departments, not failed journalists like Max Hastings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 04:43 AM

Jim,
You are getting as bad as Keith's "experts" and "real historians" "I only said it because they said it was true"

Yes. On matters of history I tend to believe actual historians over those whose political opinions do not allow them to believe the historians.
I remind you that you could not find one current historians who agreed your views.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 04:43 AM

Despite the shortage of CO2 some froth away with gay abandon.

I blame the lager drinkers. (and those drinking from cans/bottles)
'Real Ale' continues to ferment in the cask, and creates its own gas.

Let's hear it for real ale drinkers, trying to save the world one pint at a time. I'm doing my bit :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 03:11 PM

"Despite the shortage of CO2 some froth away with gay abandon."
You really aren't worth responding to are you?
I think I'll put you in the same box as Keith - others have expressed the same opinion
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 02:33 PM

Chancellor Angela Merkel has circulated a letter to coalition partners outlining the deal. The letter also calls for the creation of large "anchor centers" at Germany's borders to process asylum seekers.
Sound awfully like internment camps to me. I wonder if the military will also be involved? They are using military camps in America to house immigrants.
Slight divisions within Europe I see. Is toast on the menu for merkel?

https://www.dw.com/en/chancellor-angela-merkel-unveils-immigration-plan-to-allies/a-44468640


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 02:00 PM

Despite the shortage of CO2 some froth away with gay abandon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 01:39 PM

Can't you se that just dredging up other people's opinions is a waste of time
THere are literally thousands of opposing views on the net - if look looked hard enough we could prove the moon was made of green cheese
You are getting as bad as Keith's "experts" and "real historians" "I only said it because they said it was true"
As mindless then as it is now
Nothing new under the sun
How about some facts?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 01:32 PM

"Does the fact that he is regarded as something of a historian and his view of the world is at odds with your own narrow bigoted view cause you a problem"
No - he offers an opinion and he's an Islamophobe
I know that's where to take opinions from - not me bro
You can put up as many articles as you wish - his pedigree is his pedigree
You have been given the pedigree of your "respectable source" - the extremist right
"Fake information" maybe
Keith wore out the practice of dredging the net to find opinions that coincide with his own
These are extremist right wing opinions - no more
You dismiss or ignore documented facts - why should anybody accept your dredged-up opinions
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 12:29 PM

China built a wall some thousands of years ago to keep out illegals - oddly enough you don't see any Mexican illegals there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 12:08 PM

""I suspect he knows a little more about the subject than an ex sparky self exiled in the west of ireland"
wots up? Does the fact that he is regarded as something of a historian and his view of the world is at odds with your own narrow bigoted view cause you a problem?I am afraid you will have to live with the idea. He is as entitled to his opinion as you are to yours. His I find more educated than your own meandering rants.

Here is another article of his:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/interview-with-historian-walter-laqueur-on-the-decline-of-europe-a-912837.html

When you manage to have an article published in a reputable source I may take some serious notice of your ramblings. Until such time I will merely continue to correct your more outrageous frothings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 06:16 PM

"they amount to abusive behavior."
He said abusively
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 06:15 PM

Sorry Nigel
I totally agree - I'm having this problem fairly regularly now I post once and it turns up twice
I think it has something to do with my new keyboard speed setting
As Scarlett O'Hara nearly said, "I'll go home, and I'll think of some way to get them back. After all, tomorrow is another day"
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: pdq
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 06:15 PM

The 24,000 posts by The Carrol County Blue(s) Baby are not 'musings', they amount to abusive behavior.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 06:10 PM

I like the word "musings"


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 04:33 PM

I'm not suggesting that anyone delete Jim's musings, but could a 'mud-elf' at least remove all the duplicate postings from the thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 02:43 PM

Your right wing Historian claims that Multiculturalism has failed - he even entiled a book saying just that
Rather han relying on a right wing racist hate-sheet, here is a serious study of the situation
ETHNIC AND RACIAL STUDIES
AND HERE IS THE SITUATION IN BRITAIN

Fake news all, eh?
Jim Caaarroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 02:43 PM

Your right wing Historian claims that Multiculturalism has failed - he even entiled a book saying just that
Rather han relying on a right wing racist hate-sheet, here is a serious study of the situation
ETHNIC AND RACIAL STUDIES
AND HERE IS THE SITUATION IN BRITAIN

Fake news all, eh?
Jim Caaarroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 01:14 PM

Thought you didn't trust Wiki (unless it suits you, that is

THERE'S THE LINK TO YOUR ISLAMOPHOBIC SOURCE
"I suspect he knows a little more about the subject than an ex sparky self exiled in the west of ireland"
You cant resist your insulting behaviour any more than you can resist wagging your Little Britain flags
Grow up for Christ's sake
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 01:14 PM

Thought you didn't trust Wiki (unless it suits you, that is

THERE'S THE LINK TO YOUR ISLAMOPHOBIC SOURCE
"I suspect he knows a little more about the subject than an ex sparky self exiled in the west of ireland"
You cant resist your insulting behaviour any more than you can resist wagging your Little Britain flags
Grow up for Christ's sake
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 11:16 AM

I suspect he knows a little more about the subject than an ex sparky self exiled in the west of ireland. After all he did not hold all those positions by being an idiot now did he?

"Laqueur's main works deal with European history in the 19th and 20th centuries, especially Russian history and German history, as well as the history of the Middle East. The topics he has written about include the German Youth Movement, Zionism, Israeli history, the cultural history of the Weimar Republic and Russia, Communism, the Holocaust, fascism, and the diplomatic history of the Cold War. His books have been translated into many languages. His comments on international affairs have appeared in many American and European newspapers and periodicals."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Laqueur

Once again you betray your confusion between source and content. Do you have a similar problem with the Independant or Guardian?


"You are now dredging the very bottom of the rac-hate barrel for your arguments" and you little jimmy are an ignorant fool.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 07:52 AM

Incidentally,
The National Review you linked to is an Ultra-conservative Trumpist publication whose main claim to fame is sponsoring such heroes of democracy as
1964: Barry Goldwater,
1968: Richard Nixon
1976: Ronald Reagan (3 times)
1988: George H.W. Bush (twice)
2000: George W. Bush
2008: Mitt Romney
2016: Ted Cruz   

It leapt further into the spotlight by starting the rumour that Obama was not born in the U.S. and campaigns that Climate Change is shit

The bottom of the bottom of the barrel, I think
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 07:35 AM

"The author does not paint a happy clappy socialist paradise future."
Why should he - he is an extremist right wing American who targets political correctness and believed homosexuality is linked to divorce

His source, Walter Laqueur is an Islamophobe who writes about “National Destiny”, (sort of like in Mein Kampf) in anti-Muslim publications like ‘Standpoint” with-filled hate articles like “Eurabia – Europe’s Long Road to the Mosque’
You are now dredging the very bottom of the rac-hate barrel for your arguments
About time you declared your membership in these groups, I think
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 05:09 AM

Uncontrolled does not equal unchecked. The UK has not ever been a part of the Schengen agreement therefore the vast majority of people are checked on arrival. If control is exerted is another story, most times itis not.
One analysis of where this has gone and will go is below
https://www.nationalreview.com/2007/06/european-lessons-stanley-kurtz/

The author does not paint a happy clappy socialist paradise future.

"Laqueur is convinced that Europeans (and their liberal American admirers) have been living in a state of “delusion.” He is ruthless in skewering a series of recent American books touting Europe as the world’s emerging “soft superpower,” a continent destined to lead the world through its exemplary combination of benevolence and justice. The notion that the hard-eyed powers of the world will — on the basis of sheer inspiration — come to emulate European rule of law comes in for polite ridicule by Laqueur."


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 03:54 PM

"But as no-one else here has used the term I don't see why you even need to mention it."
From Iain's link - you obviously find it as riveting as I do
All this is pretty much what this paper has been arguing for the past 20 years. It argued it when Blair opened the doors to uncontrolled immigration from the EU in the crassest possible way.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 03:14 PM

Of course, I have also just used the expression in a quote:

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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 03:13 PM

Jim:Incidently - there is no such thing as "unchecked immigration" - there never has been
Thank you for that information. It may well be useful in the future. But as no-one else here has used the term I don't see why you even need to mention it.
Of course you may be pre-empting the situation just in case someone decides to discuss it, but if they did it might just be in response to your comment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 10:09 AM

Whoops - didn't finish
... hence the name change.
Incidently - there is no such thing as "unchecked immigration" - there never has been
That is a Farage/Tommy Robinson/Enoch Powell myth
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 10:07 AM

"He is totally yours."
He most certainly is not - his 'New Labour' non-socialism was Toryism in a velvet glove until the glove slipped off with WMD


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Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 10:07 AM

"He is totally yours."
He most certainly is not - his 'New Labour' non-socialism was Toryism in a velvet glove until the glove slipped off with WMD


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