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BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)

Dave the Gnome 06 Jul 18 - 06:41 AM
David Carter (UK) 06 Jul 18 - 07:43 AM
Donuel 06 Jul 18 - 09:19 AM
Donuel 06 Jul 18 - 09:24 AM
MikeL2 06 Jul 18 - 01:49 PM
punkfolkrocker 06 Jul 18 - 01:54 PM
Raggytash 06 Jul 18 - 03:34 PM
David Carter (UK) 06 Jul 18 - 04:04 PM
MikeL2 07 Jul 18 - 06:59 AM
Bonzo3legs 07 Jul 18 - 12:07 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Jul 18 - 01:21 PM
David Carter (UK) 07 Jul 18 - 02:55 PM
David Carter (UK) 07 Jul 18 - 04:37 PM
Raggytash 07 Jul 18 - 04:54 PM
Dave the Gnome 07 Jul 18 - 04:58 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Jul 18 - 06:40 PM
Rusty Dobro 08 Jul 18 - 03:41 AM
MikeL2 08 Jul 18 - 04:29 AM
keberoxu 08 Jul 18 - 04:47 PM
SPB-Cooperator 09 Jul 18 - 04:08 AM
Senoufou 09 Jul 18 - 04:23 AM
SPB-Cooperator 09 Jul 18 - 05:28 AM
punkfolkrocker 09 Jul 18 - 08:43 AM
MikeL2 09 Jul 18 - 03:04 PM
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MikeL2 10 Jul 18 - 09:37 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 06:41 AM

Don't mix up GB and England when referring to football, Donuel! You will incur the wrath of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland supporters :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 07:43 AM

I suspect that the eventual winners will be playing today, although it would be great to see Russia go all the way, just so we get more of their magnificent anthem. A reminder of more hopeful times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 09:19 AM

USSR's anthem really is magnificent but I don't know who wrote it.
I thought Russia had a new ho hum anthem from what I heard at the olympics. I will find out at once.

I also don't know the insults that accidentally arise from insensitive ignorant remarks regarding old scores that are still raw. There are too many.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 09:24 AM

Holy crap the answer to the Russia anthem question is complicated beyond belief.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 01:49 PM

Hi David

" I suspect that the eventual winners will be playing today "

If so it must be France.

France 2 - Uruguay 0. This was an intriguing game, full of action and some great attacking from both sides.

As has happened in a number games in this competition the Latin countries tried to bully their way through using cynical and often foul tactics, Once again the referee could not control the problem.

When France scored their first goal Uruguay started to play some good football and looked dangerous, But a crazy moment by the Uruguayan goalkeeper gifted a goal to France. This broke the back of Uruguay and France ran out easy winners.

So another "favourite bit the dust.

Any team can win this and England have a great chance to show what they can do.

Let's see what happens tonight......Dismissal of Brazil ?? could happen ???

Cheers Mike

mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 01:54 PM

My mrs is looking forward to supporting Sweden tomorrow.....

She said so with a devilish smile and an evil glint in her eyes...

I suppose I could remind her that Wales didn't even qualify, but I can't be arsed it's too hot...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 03:34 PM

Psst ..... Donuel ......... Great Britain don't have a team, at least not in these matches. They have had a team in the Olympics though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 04:04 PM

France - Belgium. Could go either way, and I would expect the winner to go on to lift the trophy. Though Russia may still have a say. And Croatia as long as they play like they did against Argentina, not like they did against Denmark. Can't see either Sweden or England making an impression in the semi.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 06:59 AM

Hi

Whooops there goes another "favourite.

Belgium 2 - Brazil 1.

Great game both teams hammered at each other. The ref controlled the game strictly which kept much of the foul tactics of the earlier games. Good to see. Brazil has two late for penalties refused. One looked like it was a penalty to me. But hey ho out you go.

I wonder how many people would have thought England would outlast teams like Germany, Spain, Portugal Argentina etc. ??

Getty ready for this afternoon's game. Will be close.....my heart says England my head says Sweden.

Cheers Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 12:07 PM

A superb performance by England!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 01:21 PM

Brilliant. Men of the match Raheem, Jordan P. and that amazing Ramsbottom man Kieran Trippier. But what an amazing, integrated TEAM performance!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 02:55 PM

Quality match now between Russia and Croatia, either of these teams would be a worthy finalist. No matter what Bilic says.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:37 PM

Penalties again. Superb match, neither side deserves to lose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:54 PM

Once again being the cynic I am, England have just got another 144 million fans!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:58 PM

I thought England beating the Swedes was a turnip for the books but that Russia Croatia match had more twists and turns than some posters on here :-)

Seriously though. Only saw the highlights of England's win. The Croatian win was a joy to watch for me. None of the Latin American amdram. No cynical fouls. No mobbing the referee. Plus, I reckon we will have the Russian crowd behind us on Wednesday.

Well done Gareth and the lads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 06:40 PM

Not having a stadium full of Russian fans on Wednesday will help. I don't think we have much to fear from Croatia on Wednesday, though the brilliant Modric will need close marking!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 08 Jul 18 - 03:41 AM

Although the England team may be defying tradition, the rioting fans in Benidorm last night showed that the old ways are still with us....


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Jul 18 - 04:29 AM

Hi

England were easily the best they have been in the competition.

team played their part. They made Sweden look very ordinary.

We now have to think about Croatia. Should be OK but remember the Wally
with the Brolly ? " Many a slip twix cup and lip " (sic)

I rather play Croatia than either France or Belgium.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Jul 18 - 04:47 PM

"a turnip for the books"
you gotta love that spell-checker


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:08 AM

Now that Dawn Sturgess has died, the England team need to do the decent thing and walk away from the tournament.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:23 AM

This whole Novichok business is mysterious though SPB. Some are saying the stuff came from Porton Down. Without any proof (or the government/MI6 revealing the truth) one can't accuse the Russians.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 05:28 AM

My theory is that a lot of things couldn't be accounted for after the break-up of the Soviet Union, who knows what has fallen into individual hands, and how their alliances fit within the oligarchy system. I would agree to a compromise of the England players wearing black armbands and the name Sturgess on all the team shirts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 08:43 AM

sport brings people & nations together - keep politics out of it as much as sensible & possible...

In the true old fashioned traditional spirit of football,
the only kneejerk reactions required are to the groins of opposing team players
while the ref's not looking...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:04 PM

Hi Steve

Yes great performance by England. Of course you missed the fact that both goals were from brilliant crosses by You and Lingard ( Man United )!!

Remember your remark made on July 4th ?

" "" And for crissake, Gareth, PLEASE drop Alli and Sterling.."""

Changed your mind eh. lol. Stirling has a wonderful yard of pace that frightens the opposition but he seems incapable of scoring from chances that come his way.

Waiting patiently for next game against Croatia'

cheers Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:06 PM

PS that should have said YOUNG


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:35 PM

Damn! And I thought Steve had been roped in :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 06:56 PM

I've definitely changed my mind about Sterling and am happy to admit it. He is capable of terrorising defences, but you can be sure that the Croatian backroom boys have worked on nullifying him. A good few Premier League clubs have shown how easily it can be done. I've changed my mind about Maguire too. He's a brilliant team man. Alli scored a goal that was beautifully laid on for him but he's been pretty unimpressive overall so far. Croatia will be a damn sight more wily than Sweden.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 09:37 AM

Hi Steve

Your view of Sterling is the same as mine. I just hope he finds his shooting boots in front of goal; he had a spell this year with Man City when he was a bit wayward in front of goal, but later the goals came.

I agree that Croatia will target him but I hope they do it legally. .This could help us because they will also be busy with Harry ( the
Kane version).

Harry Mcguire will do some targeting of Croatia, he's not pretty but bloody effective. Should be fun.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 01:28 PM

England has it I just know and feel it


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:49 PM

I've had more fun watching paint dry than I did watching tonights match.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:53 PM

What were you watching Raggy? That was an excellent match, great skill (Mbappe, Hazard), fantastic defending (Varane), superb saves from both goalkeepers. That was football as it should be played and it was a pity it wasn't the final.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:56 PM

In my defence I was in a bar that was full of French supporters, inconsiderate, obnoxious, noisy bastards to a man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 05:03 PM

All football supporters in bars morph into that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 05:10 PM

Thats probably why I prefer Rubgy Union, Cricket, Hurling or Gaelic Football.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 06:49 PM

France got the lead then parked five buses. It was elegant defending, but the bus station was heaving.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 06:55 PM

Allez les bleus ! Vive les Belges aussi ! [that is a joke, btw.]


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 07:05 PM

Oi, the aussies got knocked out weeks ago...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 08:34 AM

hi

I agree with David great game to watch both sides attacking and two well ordered and organized defenses kept the score down.

I don't agree that France "parked the Bus. They certainly pulled back Pogba who had an excellent first half. S'pose he is the size of a small bus. lol Didn't care who won but I suppose that Belgium going out suit many....we have had enough of Brussels lately.!!!!

In tonight's game I take England in a close game.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 11:38 AM

Well we'd better deport all those Belgians that populate the Premier League, then! I mean, Courtois, Mignolet, Kompany, Vertongen, De Bruyne, Fellaini, Lukaku, Hazard, Benteke, Mirallas, Origi, Dembele... Useless bunch of tossers the lot of 'em, they come over here, steal our women, eat our babies, play sublime football, shame us for our lack of investment in young native talent...Let's take back control! Send the buggers home! Let's make the Premier League a repository for fourth-rate dobbins!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 02:15 PM

Let's make the Premier League a repository for fourth-rate dobbins!" hardly, the present english team is made up of a considerable number of premier league players and at this moment they are one goal ahead


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 04:42 PM

France - Croatia then. Hope it will be a good game. You would have to favour France, but Croatia are decent and were the better team tonight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 04:44 PM

Dang that was a lame kick at the end I thought they would tie it but not to be


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 05:09 PM

2 hours of football and no England goal from open play. What we need is a couple of proper playmakers like Kevin de Bruyne who can really create chances rather than just kicking forward into empty space, and some forwards who can kick into the goal rather than 10 yards over it. Plus a defence that stays awake.

Then maybe we can dream of winning something.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 06:12 PM

Spot on, G. You could have added that Kane has been a lame duck. Where the hell was he tonight? All very well going for the Golden Boot when most of your goals come from penalty kicks, you're the captain and as such get to decide who takes the penalties... you... He's useless. Hendo should be captain, we need a decent striker and one or two attacking midfielders with attitood. We seem to fall in love as a nation with donkeys such as Owen, Rooney and Kane, and, somehow, we can't drop them for about eight years each. They're the kiss of death for our national team. Which, by the way, Dick, is not the same thing as the Premier League...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 08:23 PM

Never mind.. the July Grand Sumo Wresting Tournament started a couple of days ago...

Daily highlights on NHK WORLD [there's an app if you can't find it on digital TV],

much more interesting and entertaining...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 03:38 AM

G-Force:
You made a similar comment after the Colombia game:

Amid all the euphoria, it's worth noting that England have now gone about 240 minutes without scoring from open play

My response now is similar to then:

But they are scoring from free-kicks or penalties.
Why are they getting free-kicks and penalties?
Because they are being illegally prevented from scoring from open play.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 04:49 AM

Rugby man, are you, Nigel?


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 04:53 AM

Yes, I'm a rugby man, but the comment made applies equally to G_Force's question about the lack of a score from open play in soccer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 05:08 AM

England had plenty of chances to score from open play last night. That "world class striker" of ours should have netted two, if not three, and Lingard missed a golden opportunity. We are becoming a good team but we lack the guile and experience of the Modrics and Rakitics and Perisics of this world. Even the Lovrens. The guts fell out of the team after their equaliser, even before it. Southgate has more work to do on our team becoming more wily and psychologically strong when we go behind. Tough, physical and even cynical opposition is the name of the game these days. No use blaming that for our lack of goal-scoring. Wrong target, Nigel, and pointed to with a touch of old-style sour grapes whingeing. Face it. We simply fell short.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 05:30 AM

No, Just pointing out that the lack of goals from 'open play' is not always the fault of the players, but can be compensated for by the set pieces which result from opponents preventing open play.
As to last night's match, I haven't seen it. My time was much better spent watching the excellent War Horse with Bob Fox as the 'songman'


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