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BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation

Steve Shaw 21 Dec 17 - 08:18 PM
David Carter (UK) 24 Dec 17 - 09:36 AM
Iains 25 Jan 18 - 06:08 AM
Steve Shaw 25 Jan 18 - 06:46 AM
keberoxu 03 Dec 19 - 06:33 PM
keberoxu 03 Dec 19 - 06:40 PM
Iains 03 Jan 20 - 12:36 AM
McGrath of Harlow 03 Jan 20 - 05:54 AM
Iains 03 Jan 20 - 06:33 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:18 PM

The cat appears to be well among the pigeons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 24 Dec 17 - 09:36 AM

Rajoy has stuffed this up, and still won't talk to Puigdemont. Catalonia may be better off remaining in a united Spain, but not under Rajoy, he and the PP are the problem. For instance their ridiculous posturing over bullfighting, which Catalonia wants banned (in Catalonia) and the PP go to the constitutional court to try to overturn the ban. What I do not understand is why PSC and particularly CatComu seem determined to prop up Rajoy. Perhaps someone from that region can help me understand.


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Subject: RE: BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 06:08 AM

Still bubbling away nicely,

https://euobserver.com/news/140666



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/24/spain-beefs-border-security-fears-exiled-catalan-leader-plotting/


http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=2449658&CategoryId=12395


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Subject: RE: BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 06:46 AM

*Sigh.*


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Subject: RE: BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Dec 19 - 06:33 PM

Catalonia is only part of the story


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Subject: RE: BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Dec 19 - 06:40 PM

Will this prediction come true?

"If they invoke [Article] 155, this place will be on fire"


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Subject: RE: BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation
From: Iains
Date: 03 Jan 20 - 12:36 AM

How can it survive as an independent nation with a population of only 7.5 million? Is its economy diverse enough for it to be independent?
Ireland has a population of 4.8 million. They seem to survive OK.
With overwhelming support for Brexit in the recent general election, I wonder what impact it will have on the various separatist movements in Europe. There are two simultaneous processes occurring in the EU.
Separatist movements wish to fracture the nation state and assert sovereignty, the EU president is hellbent on Federalisation and the complete destruction of the nation state. In parallel will be the creation of a pan european defense force. The nations within the EU cannot even properly fund NATO. NATO has been proven to work, how will it have a future with or within an EU defense force? With the UK withdrawal and contracting economies the polarisation between north and south can only get stronger. With high levels of youth unemployment also, the EU is going to be subjected to increasing strains in the near future.


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Subject: RE: BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jan 20 - 05:54 AM

The anomaly isn't the existence of small nations, but of big nations made up of a number of smaller nations/regions. Does anyone believe that there would be any advantage if the Sweden, Norway and Denmark nations were amalgamated into a single country called Scandinavia?


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Subject: RE: BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation
From: Iains
Date: 03 Jan 20 - 06:33 AM

Scandinavia is purely a geographical construct. Norway is only partly affiliated with the EU

The European Iron and steel Community was a restricted economic union of six European countries created after World War II to regulate their industrial production under a centralised authority.

The EU is a political Union creating ever more centralisation of control.
Harmony may exist in the good times, but in the hard times of economic contraction who knows the outcomes? Largesse can paper over the cracks, but for how long, especially with the loss of the UK contribution to central funding?


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