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BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far

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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 03:02 PM

Random Shooter ( for big Al )

No no one can see John Lennon again
he is paying for his gun man
Go ahead and go to the concert
There won't be a shooter alert
Bring a gun be safe from harm
When you own your first fire arm
you'll know how much its fun man

Chorus
to tag and splash
bust a cap, plug pop and kill
blast her ass killum fast
until you've had your fill.



JFKRFKMLK paid for our guns
first graders had nothing to pay
They were shot beyond recognition.
some just pay with loss of cognition
or maimed in ways we don't mention
Its mental health not the guns
that kills our daughters and sons

Chorus
to tag and splash
bust a cap, plug pop and kill
blast her ass killum fast
until you've had your fill.


Enthusiasts and victims alike
Who knows when madness will strike
We will all pay forever
for a relative few minutes
of fun with some kick ass guns.
THAT WE BOUGHT WITH FREEDOM !!!!!!!!!!!!!
2nd Amendment Freedom :spoken


Chorus
to tag and splash
bust a cap, plug pop and kill
blast her ass killum fast
until you've had your fill.

don


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 01:29 PM

No you may not see John Lennon
he is paying for our gun
No you should not go to the concert
You may become another shooter alert
JFKRFKMLK and Reagan paid for our guns
first graders had nothing to pay
They were shot beyond recognition.
some just pay with loss of cognition
They will all pay forever
for your few minutes
of fun with your guns.

BUT WITH FREEDOM


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 03:45 PM

I can not show you the 'epic cartoon' of the back of a black man's head with a large hole through it showing a distant Donald with a smoking gun on Madison Ave.

By epic cartoon I mean raw detailed photo realism.
The truth of the picture could be misconstrued by the insane.

I wouldn't want it out there to amuse Nazis or impel death threats.

of course I could sign it donald trump jr.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 02:50 PM

And now, this. You can't make this stuff up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 12:28 PM

They both have an agenda...

Not quite- Faux has a mission: to disseminate utter bullshit and propaganda.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 11:50 AM

They both have an agenda but only Rachel Maddow and staff have bona fide credibility as evidenced by her many awards and accolades.

60 minutes did some top notch journalism on the opioid story and how Trump chose the man who made opiates safe from any regulations or prosecution to head up the opiate addiction task force.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 11:39 AM

MSN has slightly less credibility than Fox

Only to you, BB, and the rest of the BDM. The facts (real ones- not alternative ones) and surveys clearly prove otherwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:53 AM

Fox and MSNBC are amateurs compared to the Russians.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:29 AM

Donuel,

https://patch.com/nevada/lasvegas/las-vegas-shooting-security-guard-haled-hero-thought-missing-safe



MSN has slightly less credibility than Fox...


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Oct 17 - 04:57 PM

Donuel, they are 22.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Oct 17 - 04:20 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jesus-campos-vegas-security-guard-shot-before-rampage-appears-to-have-vanished/ar-AAtCWGw?li=B


Did someone give him cash to disappear ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 03:39 PM

This subject is fading faster than Newtown 1st grade,
so a word about healing before its gone.

The direct and distant victims may all feel a kind of ; if only, if I coulda, woulda, shoulda, I might have. These are shock thoughts, the sooner you ban them from your mind the better. If you can just talk you will feel better. Some have the luxury of free non judgmental friends who will listen quietly but most of us will have to pay professionals. Do it. Instead of spending on your home spend for your mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 12:05 PM

Jesus is just the first name of the security guard that was shot 6 minutes before the crowd shooting began. I heard the recording of the security guard's warning that was relayed by the police. Somehow that message got lost once the serious shooting began.

The police is trying to evade this embarrassing fact.

Old dude, good point about the tracers that were out of stock where Pollard try to buy them. Lugging a 50 cal. into hotel room sounds heavy. Pollard probably imagined the crowd turning away from the resulting jet fuel inferno and turning back toward him.

I think Jet fuel is about as volatile as Kerosene which is much less than propane.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 11:20 AM

sorry I missed that...where does Jesus come into this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 10:01 AM

He tried to buy tracers rounds because they said he was also shooting at the large gas storage tanks trying to blow them up. Probably would have if he used a 50 with tracers.. Figured he would get away in thecarnage . Thank God it failed or it would have been worse


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 17 - 09:26 PM

So...before there was any shooting from the windows into the crowd,
Jesus knocked on the shooters door. Then..

he was hit by bullets through the door while on a private camera.
OR
he was chased down the hall and shot in the leg while trying to hide.
he called on his own phone to Hotel Authorities or on a hallway phone, or both. We still do not know.

The Shooter then began his carnage and crowd shooting six minutes later and stoop shooting 10 to 12 minutes later. There were thousands of rounds of ammunition left over. He could have kept shooting but didn't? Was he afraid of cops coming in and capturing him? Did he shot himself then? The cops did not arrive or even discover a wounded Jesus in the hallway for at least 45 minutes. Then they blew the door open and discovered the guns and ammo alongside the body of Poddard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 17 - 08:12 PM

Do go on but I interrupt to trace the TIMELINE of the shooter in Vegas.

Pollard moved into his Mandalay hotel room over two days then on the night of ... THEN

Note that the first person shot is the Security Guard.
He is always called The Security Guard. Why?
Because his name is Jesus. Honest to GOD.

Jesus came to the door and Poddard shot the shit out of him through the door with automatic gunfire.

What did Jesus do?

He said he called his boss, police changed the words to authorities.
Here are all the versions   different stories

Did the police cover their ass?
Did Jesus rapture Pollard?
How is Jesus now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Stu
Date: 10 Oct 17 - 04:19 AM

"Problem with that stu is now you put in the hands of whatever elected people incredible power like passing a law to limit your free speech or press."

Except in practice it doesn't work like that, not here in the UK at least. For example, we argue about the bias of our broadcast media and each side thinks it's biased against them, which means in practice it's probably relatively balanced. It's because the public are so vociferous about broadcast media bias that any bias is called out immediately: a positive for social media.

An unwritten constitution means society operates under a broad consensus unencumbered by the dogma of a document written by people long dead who could not have imagined the world we live in today. This consensus isn't perfect and a glance below the line here on Mudcat shows how UK folk discuss, debate and argue (sometimes very robustly, sometimes poorly) constantly but that is in a way a microcosm of the way our society works.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Oct 17 - 08:28 PM

interesting. i suppose my first reaction is to say 'why would an idiot like me who finds restringing a rickenbacker a logistical nightmare have the answer to such a complicated question?'

the second reaction though is to think...well in England we have hundreds of anachronistic laws we've never bothered repealing - driving ducks actoss westmister bridge, every yeoman having to practice archery, every gentleman having to carry a sword. we'd be a nation of sword carrying, duck driving loonies - always asking for a day off work to practice archery.

in fact , I suspect in America as well - we just let our common sense prevail and quietly forget the daft stuff.

is it really the demands of the written constitution, or is it the armament companies acting like irresponsible idiots who have caused this present situation where 20 odd thousand people are killed every year quite needlessly?


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 17 - 08:01 PM

The handful of nations without a constitution are just as vulnerable to Corporate take overs as nations that have a Constitution like the US.

I have been ever opposed to Corporatism because I believe them desirous of introducing, into our government, authorities hereditary or otherwise independent of the national will. They always consume the public contributions and oppress the people with labour & poverty.
Corporations like the NRA have held Congress hostage and the will of the people ignored.

Stu's point is as academic as it gets here. It is a valid debate. Hell even slavery is not a finalized debate these days.


Thomas Jefferson/Donuel


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 09 Oct 17 - 05:09 PM

Problem with that stu is now you put in the hands of whatever elected people incredible power like passing a law to limit your free speech or press. If it's not written in stone


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Stu
Date: 09 Oct 17 - 01:52 PM

A written constitution doesn't move with the times as the gun laws amply demonstrate. You end up with anachronisms like the right to bear arms that are either interpreted differently by different people (people being people) or used in a way it was never meant to, to justify horrors and legitimise the agendas of groups and individuals that are not interested in the common good.

Also, it's roundly ignored. First amendment? Not if you're black and taking the knee, then you're insulting the flag. The VP can piss away hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayers money simply to make the point of a foul liar of a man who sent him on a mission to subvert that very amendment.

The flexibility of an unwritten constitution is preferable, allowing a society to adapt to changes in the wider world as well as things like technology and a million other factors. Societies must move with the times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Oct 17 - 07:02 AM

why's that Stu?

i always think it might be an idea to have our government committed to freedom , decency in writing - rather than some European Court guaranteeing our rights.

Having said that. I am pretty stupid about these things, I could well be wrong about that, as I am about everything else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Stu
Date: 09 Oct 17 - 06:22 AM

I've said it before... a written constitution is an albatross around the neck of any society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Oct 17 - 02:53 AM

I don't fish either, 'dude! And if I did, no fisherman in England needs a gun!

Despite my loathing of guns and gun-nuts, I do understand that there are reasons why **some** civilians might **need** a gun - protection against dangerous wild-life, vermin-control, yadda yadda. Different countries, different circumstances.

But, in general, I stand by what I said - the vast majority of gun-owners don't actually need a gun, except in their paranoid imaginations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 09 Oct 17 - 12:54 AM

Aww, I know how you feel I lost all of mine around here also.. They just can't compete with the big ones and kids these days don't read just play video games... Sad


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: bobad
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 10:18 PM

It was my favourite book store in NYC but, alas, it is no more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 09:44 PM

Lol perfect


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: bobad
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 08:25 PM

You guys don't fish where I do

Wise Men Fish Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 08:21 PM

And that's why I also own a 454 casull revolver


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 08:09 PM

https://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/survival/animal-attacks/2009/08/charging-grizzly-killed-alaska

You guys don't fish where I do


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 06:41 PM

Congrats on the new twins Mrrzy/ They took away women's paid for birth control, or didn't you know?


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 05:51 PM

Oh, life is precious, so they are taking away abortion rights because of the Las Vegas shooting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 05:49 PM

i love bsa airguns, but they're all made in Spain by gamo nowadays.

in my living room i have framed several adverts for the bsa meteor from the old eagle magazine. they have the address of the old factory in btum on them.

i can sort of understand how Americans feel about gun ownership. there is a beauty there. they respond to that, and as such its part of their cultural identity.

that said. they have problems, but 'just say no' - doesn't really persuade anyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 04:03 PM

In America an authentic Backwoodsman   might have a long
gun or two
.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 02:07 PM

I'm a (retired) accountant and I wouldn't allow a firearm of any kind in my house, or anywhere on my property. Nobody needs a gun, except farmers and members of the armed forces. Nobody.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 01:34 PM

I am harmless unless you are a deer


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 01:28 PM

I like that movie, and he had a great collection of guns and an rv.. Wait so do I hmmm


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 01:01 PM

thank you punkfolkrocker

Fantasies was the word that was blocked via dyslexia.

My neighbor is an account and has a huge gun collection, hmm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 12:59 PM

Autism or Asperger's [I should have verified - months since I watched it]..
the whole premise and tone of the movie was entirely bonkers..

But a real life accountant with a secret double existence as a gun crazy mass killer...????


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 12:44 PM

Some would argue the accountant had Asperger's syndrome rather than autism. In any case, He was a victim of his father's extreme instruction and training.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 12:27 PM

Fantasies - Maybe pure coincidence..

A recent big budget Hollywood action movie "The Accountant"
is a bizarre and gleefully entertaining 'shoot-'em-up' concerning an autistic accountant
who leads a secret life as one of the world's greatest ever mercenary hit men...

I watched it twice earlier this year..
[hmmm.. and I did gain A level Accounting exam back when I was 18 and still fairly mainstream and sensible]


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 17 - 12:14 PM

Bad lying by the NRA: This is not the time.
Elite Hollywood gun safety groups make billions every day (LA Pierre)
   Gun laws do not do any good
I can propose 12,000 'failed' anti gun amendments [in the words of dick cheney] So What. who ever you are you are full of meaningless numbers

Now I am going to go someplace no one talks about...

Imagine someone has purchased 35 guns pistols weapons etc.
Imagine now the imagination of the mind who bought multiple weapons.
There are dreams, scenarios, secret ambitions , private motivating thoughts, Disgusting things you would want to know.
Maybe he see himself a hero a vengeful anti hero, a villain, in a war, winning a war, Shooting the FBI, shooting the president of the government, who knows?

All of those mental images are personal motivating thoughts or he wouldn't keep buying more guns, hoping he'll get that special feeling again. Sound like an addiction? They do not often end well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 07 Oct 17 - 03:42 PM

Oh they announced in ny, you are legal to buy abbumper stock, but illegal now to have it on the ar gun.. I feel so much better... As I scream


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 07 Oct 17 - 03:34 PM

They passed a safe act in this state that only affected hunters and target shooters and made the gun store's wealthy.. Now instead of buying a box of ammo to Site your gun in or target shoot, you reload your own so now people have power and a thousand rounds at home because it's cheaper.. Feel safer government. You don't know guns ask someone who does and will tell you what to fix in your zillion nothing laws


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 07 Oct 17 - 03:25 PM

No Donald, but they will pass laws that will directly affect a deer hunter and we will obey, but won't stop a gun show where youcan get any mmilitary weapon without a bg check.. But if I want a box of 12 gage shotgun shells for huntinghere in ny , I have to buy them from a gun shop only. I guess it's to protect the bunnies I hunt. However go to a gun show and stock up on Teflon bullets or tracers for your fucking machine gun.. No problem Ok see my point


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Oct 17 - 02:14 PM

"The US has a rich history of adding and abolishing amendments."

Really Donuel? Here is a brief summary of that "rich history" from 1789 to 2014:

11,539 proposed amendments have been introduced of which only 33 got anywhere. Of those 33 proposed amendments 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of states (But as two of these cancel one another out that only makes 25 amendments that are in force), 4 proposed amendments are technically open and still pending, one is closed and has failed by its own terms, and one is closed and has failed by the terms of the resolution proposing it. So in 225 years out of 11,539 amendments you've managed to pass 25 of them, or 0.23% of all those proposed - A rich history indeed - One of almost complete and utter inaction.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Oct 17 - 01:45 PM

The US has a rich history of adding and abolishing amendments.
That is the next DC debate.

He did not have tracers. The Gun Store was out of stock.

The Vegas hotels are used to allowing people to bring dozens of guns and ammo into their lobbies and rooms. Vegas is famous for having gun shows that sell guns privately without any regulations about 2 to 3 times a month. Vegas gun shows are considered entertainment and are as common as dirt. There are 2 major gun shows that are continuous and some minor ones outside the strip.

Hotels are happy to oblige.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Oct 17 - 12:53 PM

Couldn't agree more olddude but fact is that the American's "holy of holy's" - your Constitution - has brought about a situation where those "wack jobs", as you call them, are guaranteed and have damned sight more effective weapons than sharp sticks, and there is absolutely nothing that over 235.5 million US Electors will do about altering or amending the rights enshrined in that document - you've had how many of these incidents now? Over how many years? And absolutely nothing has been done to ensure it will not happen again. That is the case and that will continue to be the case - because no-one must touch the Constitution.


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Subject: RE: BS: Las Vegas - 59 dead so far
From: olddude
Date: 07 Oct 17 - 12:35 PM

The wack jobs that say they need
Those weapons for fear of
government should not own a sharp stick.


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