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BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Keith A of Hertford 19 Oct 17 - 08:00 AM
SPB-Cooperator 19 Oct 17 - 07:21 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Oct 17 - 06:28 AM
Steve Shaw 19 Oct 17 - 06:21 AM
Raggytash 19 Oct 17 - 06:17 AM
SPB-Cooperator 19 Oct 17 - 06:15 AM
Steve Shaw 19 Oct 17 - 06:00 AM
akenaton 19 Oct 17 - 05:55 AM
Backwoodsman 19 Oct 17 - 05:48 AM
Nigel Parsons 19 Oct 17 - 05:42 AM
Steve Shaw 19 Oct 17 - 05:38 AM
Raggytash 19 Oct 17 - 05:17 AM
Iains 19 Oct 17 - 04:54 AM
DMcG 19 Oct 17 - 04:33 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Oct 17 - 04:33 AM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Oct 17 - 04:23 AM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Oct 17 - 04:15 AM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Oct 17 - 04:11 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Oct 17 - 03:55 AM
Iains 19 Oct 17 - 03:24 AM
Steve Shaw 18 Oct 17 - 05:09 PM
Raggytash 18 Oct 17 - 03:32 PM
Raggytash 18 Oct 17 - 03:30 PM
Steve Shaw 18 Oct 17 - 02:39 PM
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Steve Shaw 18 Oct 17 - 02:20 PM
Dave the Gnome 18 Oct 17 - 02:19 PM
Keith A of Hertford 18 Oct 17 - 01:36 PM
Steve Shaw 18 Oct 17 - 12:26 PM
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Keith A of Hertford 18 Oct 17 - 11:57 AM
Nigel Parsons 18 Oct 17 - 09:55 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 08:00 AM

Dave,
So how does that detract from my comment that the negotiators had not done anything?
I took it to be a criticism of one side, in support of Steve.
Good to know you were not supporting his case.

It must be true because it is in more than one newspaper?
It is much more likely to be, yes.
The Independent has a reputation for honest and reliable reporting.

Rag.
You obviously have read or perhaps understood the link I provide about tariffs.

Yes both thanks. It was only a wiki page on tariffs. It did not contradict anything I have said. Can you find anything that does? No.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 07:21 AM

And under these new rukes - what makes you think you have the right to dictate to people who is and who is no longer entitled to live togather in a pre-exisiting relationships. If the government split up UK couples then you would be the first to start whining.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 06:28 AM

Q1. D the G. Are you also in the unfortunate postion on believing nought unless first perused in the guardian?

A1. Never have. The media is all biased. Some are worse than others. Any reference I make to any media is usually a direct contradiction to a view expounded elsewhere. Just shows that the same events can be reported in multiple and often opposite ways.

Q2. Why do you still confuse the message with the messenger?

A2. Never have. But if the messenger consistently contorts the truth they should be challenged about it. See A1, above.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 06:21 AM

Yeah, like that permanent sign behind the bar in the Bullers Arms, "Free beer tomorrow."


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 06:17 AM

"A new start, a new society, new rules and hopefully new politics"

And pots of Jasper and spittoons of Jade, everyone will be a millionaire, the sun will shine all year long and the beer will be free .....................


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 06:15 AM

The EU needs to ignore the blustering of incompetent little shits like Davis and May and guarantee the 100% of the rights and benefits of EU membership to every UK citizen who wants it on the grounds that we are all EU citizen, and they must not be allowed to discriminate against us.

The EU must gaurantee that the UK will not treat UK citizen who ar ein relationship, or will be in relationships in the future with people from other EU states as second class citizen but will guaantee unhindered freedom of movement in both directions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 06:00 AM

That article was in both today's and yesterday's Guardian, oddly, so apologies to Raggytash who linked to it yesterday. I did look - honest!

Have a look at your post again, Nigel, and be sure not to misread it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 05:55 AM

The real beauty of leaving the EU is that is good for everyone.
When the remainers stop remoaning we will have a unity which we have not seen for decades. A new start, a new society, new rules and hopefully new politics.

Party politics have been the ruin of the UK and most of the developed world.....time to move on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 05:48 AM

Sounds like a perfect summation to me.

But remember, there is an immensely powerful cadre of immensely wealthy people who are immensely influential on both the policies of the Conservative Party, and on the easily-influenced part of the UK population. And it's this cadre that is driving the steady progress to a Hard BrexShit. Not because it's good for the country and its population, but because it's good for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 05:42 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 12:26 PM
I'm far too kind to dwell on that egregious example of semi-literate writing in your post, Nigel.


Why, thank you. You do not even state what the 'egregious' example is, but I will take it as a compliment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 05:38 AM

Interesting read from an EU perspective in a Guardian piece by Jens Geier, a German MEP. The bolds are mine.

A British departure without an agreement would certainly be painful for the rest of the bloc. But it wouldn't be fatal. A single market containing 27 member states and with trade agreements around the world can handle the departure of one large country. Prosecco and BMWs are, after all, big sellers worldwide. But with neither a withdrawal agreement nor a transitional period, there would not be so much as a feather to soften the British economy's hard landing. Brexit can't change the simple fact that a bloc of 450 million citizens is greater than one of 65 million. And with less than 18 months left, the UK is nowhere near prepared for a doomsday scenario, given the thousands of extra customs officials, regulators and additional systems that will be needed in the event of no deal.

If there is any truth in May's mantra, then it is the other way around: the EU's interests may be better served by a no-deal divorce than by an agreement that puts its foundations at risk if Britain gets an a la carte Brexit. And that's not a bluff. In the European parliament we have made clear that we won't approve any advance in the negotiations towards a future EU-UK relationship until the foundations for this bridge are laid: solutions over citizens' rights and the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, and the settlement of the UK's financial obligations. Without an agreement, a transitional period will not be granted. This is not meant as punishment for a departing country. It is about settling the accounts. It's the interests of EU citizens and the preservation and prosperity of the union that determine our approach to the negotiations...

...May and her cabinet must finally put the national interest ahead of managing the Conservative party's internal conflict, and agree where they are heading. The European commission is your negotiating counterpart, not a counsellor to listen to you wrestle with doubts and divisions. How can we make sustainable progress when nobody knows if the prime minister is able to deliver, or whether her statements will be undermined by members of her cabinet? The British leadership is lacking in credibility.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 05:17 AM

I cannot even begin to enlighten you about economics, one because you wouldn't take heed and two because I cannot be arsed. You obviously have read or perhaps understood the link I provide about tariffs. Continue to live in ignorance if you choose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 04:54 AM

D the G. Are you also in the unfortunate postion on believing nought unless first perused in the guardian?
Why do you still confuse the message with the messenger?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 04:33 AM

I haven't yet loomed at the others, or even the detail of the IB link you provided but I was immediately struck bt the difference betwwen the heading and subheading of the article:

PBrexit leaked documents reveal EU will begin trade talks with Britain in December

Trade talks could begin in December if EU leaders agree.


"Will" becomes "could?" And conditional? Bit of a turn before we even reach the article itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 04:33 AM

It takes two to negotiate Dave.

It does. So how does that detract from my comment that the negotiators had not done anything?

The Mail leaked document story also now appears in many papers including the Independent and International Business Times

It must be true because it is in more than one newspaper?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 04:23 AM

Dave,
It must be true because it is in the Daily Mail?

The Guardian article Rag put up yesterday was lacking in truth.

The Mail leaked document story also now appears in many papers including the Independent and International Business Times, so it probably is true.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-talks-eu-leaders-dinner-theresa-may-uk-rebuff-setback-citizens-a8007746.html
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brexit-leaked-documents-reveal-eu-will-begin-trade-talks-britain-december-1643030


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 04:15 AM

Rag,
Professsor, do you actually know anything about Economics

Can you actually identify something I have got wrong Rag?
No.
You have actually displayed your complete ignorance about tariffs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 04:11 AM

Dave,
Will you tell us what UK negotiators have done wrong

They have not done anything wrong by virtue of the fact that they have done nothing full stop. Who are these politicians that undermine their positions anyway? It cannot be Labour ones as they are not in power


It takes two to negotiate Dave.
Presumably you do know that it is EU side refusing to discuss trade or citizens' rights, not us.

Politicians from all parties who suggest we will accept anything rather than walk, or that we are not serious about leaving, undermine our negotiating position.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 03:55 AM

It must be true because it is in the Daily Mail?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 03:24 AM

There is the official narrative, and there is the real narrative.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4994802/Germany-wants-comprehensive-free-trade-deal-UK.html

I cannot think why clot corbyn is going to Brussels for talks.
Capitulation maybe? The man is a saboteur!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 05:09 PM

You might as well ask him if he knows the difference between a Big Mac and Big Mick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 03:32 PM

Come to think of it, do you know the difference between Macro and Micro Economics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 03:30 PM

Professsor, do you actually know anything about Economics, for example could you tell everyone about the Multiplier factor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 02:39 PM

The great thing was that the goal difference gulf between Liverpool and Sevilla widened by eleven goals on the night. Could come in handy!

It wouldn't surprise me if the transaction records are all over the shop. My bank account's a bit like that...


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 02:27 PM

Hi Steve

It seems to me that both sides ( UK & EU ) don't have Accountants that know what they are doing by not keeping transaction records - they should be available on each side.

<" Nil-seven, eh!!! ">

Yes I watched some of it. They really didn't have much opposition on the night. Certainly not anything that could catch Liverpool in this mood. Phew !! First they smothered the opposition in mid-field and then converted that into a most powerful attack. .....and it could have been more.

I am just preparing to watch Man United v Benfica. Don't think this will be 7-0.

Regards Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 02:20 PM

Nope. The buck stops with the government. If anything ever went wrong in past administrations you blame Blair/Brown/Callaghan/Wilson, and I blame Thatcher/Major Cameron/May. Exactly how it should be. Well, you may also blame, incorrectly, the unions too, but that's your problem. The MPs who are not giving a ramshackle and visionless Tory government carte blanche are doing the job we elected them to do, to scrutinise every move the government tries to make and hold it to account. We call it "democracy," Keith. One job they've done well so far is to prevent them from pushing through measures on the quiet that require parliamentary scrutiny. Remember all that taking back control stuff? Well it wasn't supposed to be about giving private control over thousands of pieces of legislation to a bunch of squabbling, split-down-the-middle ne'er-do-wells, was it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 02:19 PM

Will you tell us what UK negotiators have done wrong

They have not done anything wrong by virtue of the fact that they have done nothing full stop. Who are these politicians that undermine their positions anyway? It cannot be Labour ones as they are not in power. We can only conclude that you must mean Tory ones. Proving that the whole party is in disarray, a shambles and unfit to lead a chimps tea party let alone serious negotiations and a country.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 01:36 PM

Will you tell us what UK negotiators have done wrong Steve?
The UK negotiators are not at fault.
Those politicians who undermine their position are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 12:26 PM

I'm far too kind to dwell on that egregious example of semi-literate writing in your post, Nigel.

Keith, it isn't Labour who are supposed to be doing the negotiating. It isn't Labour leading us up shit creek without a paddle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 12:10 PM

I think that the description (link above) on Wikipedia may be being miss-read:
A tariff is a tax on imports or exports between sovereign states.
In most (if not all) cases, it will be a charge imposed for allowing goods into the country which applies the tariff.
But, of course, an import into one country can also be considered as an export from another county, hence the confusion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 11:57 AM

Rag, that may be the definition but no government applies tariffs to its own exports. Only imports.
Steve, both Labour and Tories are split on this.
However good our negotiators, EU have to string us along. They can not afford to lose either our contribution or our market. Their only hope is that we change our mind and stay, so they will never make us a fair offer to leave.

Free trade would be beneficial and might be worth paying for, but how can we agree a price until we know what the trade deal is?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:55 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:48 AM
Weird. Yes Nigel? You were saying?


What I was saying is only two comments down the thread. I'm sure you can access that.
I note that my symbol for UK pounds has also been changed to a question mark.
I will try to avoid repeating that error as I know just how annoying it can be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:48 AM

Aha. So it's either my iPad mini, my iPad mini not agreeing with Mudcat or something to do with the latest IOS update (which I haven't done yet on this old iPad). Weird. Yes Nigel? You were saying?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:46 AM

This is a totally irrelevant post to see if my old iPad does those damned question marks too. So here goes:

"I can't, shouldn't and won't love you!" She exclaimed. "It's not right!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:42 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:28 AM Nonsense, Nigel. How can we negotiate sensibly when we have a weak government split down the middle with a pile of horseshit-talk from one side braying about no deal and with no-one able to sensibly negotiate (and don?t mention the Davis clown, purrrlease...)? No-one, including the EU, wants us to roll over. Maybe you are one of those people, like all of UKIP and half the Tories, who just think we should tell the silly foreign sods that they are not getting a penny...


Yes, (ignoring all the crass invective you've included in that sentence) I do believe we shouldn't pay a penny, . . . unless the EU can justify why they believe it is payable, and we can agree their reasons.

Perhaps you would like to suggest the amount that should be paid, the ?20bn we've already offered, the Euro100bn that the EU are asking for, or some other figure?
Whatever figure you arrive at, how is it either derived, or justified?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:37 AM

The Tories are more scared about being seen by the Daily Mail to be giving in than they are concerned about addressing our responsibilities, Mike.

Nil-seven, eh!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:32 AM

Hi

AS every one here is talking about how we should negotiate etc etc

We have just returned from spending a week at a hotel in Llandudno.

On the evening before our leaving we were given a detailed bill of what we spent so that we cloud examine and check it for validity. We checked the bill and we agreed with what they say we spent.

Shouldn't this be how the the Brexit negotiations should work. ??

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:28 AM

Yes, don?t be so ridiculous, Bill, as you?ll only encourage your pallid copycat poodle, who has shown this morning that he understands nothing about the responsibilities that come with EU membership.

Nonsense, Nigel. How can we negotiate sensibly when we have a weak government split down the middle with a pile of horseshit-talk from one side braying about no deal and with no-one able to sensibly negotiate (and don?t mention the Davis clown, purrrlease...)? No-one, including the EU, wants us to roll over. Maybe you are one of those people, like all of UKIP and half the Tories, who just think we should tell the silly foreign sods that they are not getting a penny...

And now the great brexit bill is knackered for yet a few more weeks until someone somewhere in an office who actually understands how to draft things can make sense of it. And Keith sez it is them stringing us along...

Whether you?re a brexiteer or not, you should be very worried about the shower we have running the country (allegedly running, more accurately) who can?t agree among themselves and who are proving themselves to be disastrous at negotiating. What a shambles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:15 AM

"Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Teribus - PM
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:06 AM"

"Thanks for all of that, only trouble is Shaw, none of that alters the fact that you got paid for attendance"

So if Steve had gone to the school, sat in a classroom and not taught the children he would still have:

1. Been paid?
2. Kept his job?

We know your opinion of education is something along the lines of "I graduated from the university of life, me" but once again you demonstrate your complete and utter lack of understanding of anything to do with the educational system.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:13 AM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 08:00 AM
You may not recall, but it was the remainers who successfully delayed the triggering of Article 50 by taking the matter through the courts (once David Cameron had gone). Mrs may would probably have triggered it much sooner otherwise.
Not so: the case before the court was whether it requires Parliament or could just be done by the government. She could have triggered it as early as she liked by bringing it to Parliament.


But clearly she would not have a free hand to trigger Brexit. It would have to be put to parliament. That takes time, so some delay is required.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 09:06 AM

Steve Shaw - 18 Oct 17 - 05:01 AM

Thanks for all of that, only trouble is Shaw, none of that alters the fact that you got paid for attendance - Akenaton "the roofer and tiler", the person you rather disparagingly advised to "go roof a house", got paid for performance - every single day of his working life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 08:30 AM

Read the first line of the attachment.

Tariffs


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 08:05 AM

Rag,
It may have escaped your notice but other governments can apply tariffs too.

It may have escaped your notice that NO government applies tariffs to its exports! Why would our government impose tariffs on food imports to replace the tariff free food we currently buy?

Your latest Guardian article is by Jens Geier who is a German SPD member of the European parliament and vice chair of the European parliament?s budget committee.
He talks bollocks.
He says they wont miss us buying BMWs because they are "big sellers worldwide."
They will because they already sell all they can to the rest of the world. If we switch to Japanese and Far East manufacturers they will lose those sales.
They certainly can not sell elsewhere the food we currently buy because it is the most costly in the world despite subsidising EU farmers.

No deal means EU goods become more expensive to us, but we do not have to buy them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 08:00 AM


You may not recall, but it was the remainers who successfully delayed the triggering of Article 50 by taking the matter through the courts (once David Cameron had gone). Mrs may would probably have triggered it much sooner otherwise.


Not so: the case before the court was whether it requires Parliament or could just be done by the government. She could have triggered it as early as she liked by bringing it to Parliament.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 07:53 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 05:42 AM
?They? are not stringing us along, Keith. Cameron promised to trigger Article 50 the morning after the referendum. It took us nine nonths.


You may not recall, but it was the remainers who successfully delayed the triggering of Article 50 by taking the matter through the courts (once David Cameron had gone). Mrs may would probably have triggered it much sooner otherwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 07:51 AM

If you recall:

"Some Conservative MPs have said that prices will fall rather than rise as a result of Brexit, because it will be possible for the government to unilaterally reduce all tariffs to zero so consumers can get goods at the cheapest price on the world market."

It may have escaped your notice but other governments can apply tariffs too. Therefore it is not feasible for the UK government to unilaterally reduce all tariffs to zero.

However that is one small part of an article that indicates the cost of living WILL increase, and that puts an even bigger burden on those less able to afford it.

Yet another example of the "caring" conservatives "building a country that works for everyone"


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 07:39 AM

And you believe the Government would " unilaterally reduce all tariffs to zero so consumers can get goods at the cheapest price on the world market"

Yes. The government is actively seeking tariff free trade outside EU.
Why would they impose tariffs on food imports to replace the tariff free food we currently buy?
Dream on Rag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 07:30 AM

"What they ARE saying in effect is that we must drop the little-Englander Tory hubris and negotiate sensibly about what we need to pay on exit."
In the real world you pay a fee for membership to join a club. Not paying the fee means loss of membership. Same with the EU.
For Shaw. This is the same as the AA. Pay a fee annually for cover - don't pay and on yer bike matey!
The EU has a novel concept that will gain few acolytes. You pay a fee to leave a dysfunctional club.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 07:14 AM

No Deal better than a bad deal


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 07:12 AM

No deal is better than a bad deal.

Now no-one probably thought they would ever read those words from myself. However there is a rider and that is it would be better for the EU.

Todays Guardian article.

No Deal better than a bad deal


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