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BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

DMcG 19 Jul 18 - 02:21 PM
DMcG 19 Jul 18 - 02:19 PM
Dave the Gnome 19 Jul 18 - 02:13 PM
Raggytash 19 Jul 18 - 01:08 PM
Backwoodsman 19 Jul 18 - 01:01 PM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Jul 18 - 12:33 PM
DMcG 19 Jul 18 - 12:29 PM
Backwoodsman 19 Jul 18 - 12:13 PM
peteaberdeen 19 Jul 18 - 12:04 PM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Jul 18 - 12:03 PM
Iains 19 Jul 18 - 11:43 AM
Backwoodsman 19 Jul 18 - 11:22 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Jul 18 - 08:44 AM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Jul 18 - 08:37 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Jul 18 - 07:51 AM
Nigel Parsons 19 Jul 18 - 07:31 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Jul 18 - 06:49 AM
Nigel Parsons 19 Jul 18 - 06:37 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Jul 18 - 06:21 AM
Jim Carroll 19 Jul 18 - 06:01 AM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Jul 18 - 05:38 AM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Jul 18 - 05:35 AM
Nigel Parsons 19 Jul 18 - 05:28 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Jul 18 - 05:11 AM
Nigel Parsons 19 Jul 18 - 04:48 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Jul 18 - 04:46 AM
Nigel Parsons 19 Jul 18 - 04:20 AM
David Carter (UK) 19 Jul 18 - 04:14 AM
Iains 19 Jul 18 - 04:03 AM
David Carter (UK) 19 Jul 18 - 03:16 AM
Raggytash 18 Jul 18 - 06:45 PM
Dave the Gnome 18 Jul 18 - 04:26 PM
David Carter (UK) 18 Jul 18 - 02:13 PM
DMcG 18 Jul 18 - 01:16 PM
Keith A of Hertford 18 Jul 18 - 11:10 AM
Backwoodsman 18 Jul 18 - 11:06 AM
Raggytash 18 Jul 18 - 11:05 AM
Backwoodsman 18 Jul 18 - 10:56 AM
Dave the Gnome 18 Jul 18 - 10:46 AM
Raggytash 18 Jul 18 - 09:49 AM
Jim Carroll 18 Jul 18 - 06:16 AM
Iains 18 Jul 18 - 05:22 AM
Jim Carroll 18 Jul 18 - 05:07 AM
Iains 18 Jul 18 - 04:09 AM
DMcG 18 Jul 18 - 04:07 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 02:21 PM

"losing the loss" - I mean incurring the loss, of course. Let's not pick up on trivia instead of addressing her point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 02:19 PM

On Monday, in the House of Commons and reported in Hansard Anna Soubry said:

If we do not deliver frictionless trade, either through a customs union or some magical third way that the Prime Minister thinks she can deliver—good luck to her on that—thousands of jobs will go, and hon. Members sitting on the Government Benches, in private conversations, know that to be the case. What they have said in those private conversations is that the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs will be worth it to regain our country’s sovereignty—tell that to the people who voted leave in my constituency. Nobody voted to be poorer, and nobody voted leave on the basis that somebody with a gold-plated pension and inherited wealth would take their jobs away from them

No one denied that that was "being said in private conversations" during the Debate.

I wonder if people here think losing the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs will be worth it to regain our country’s sovereignty? And if they think that is scaremongering, what would be acceptable? 50,000? 10,000?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 02:13 PM

Just ignore him, BWM, I do. The latest twists, turns and trap setting confirms that it is the best option.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 01:08 PM

Iains, I am typing on a tiny keyboard attached to my tiny tablet. I do not have access in my apartment to the internet and so I am doing this in a bar.

If you, and to a lesser extent Nigel, cannot understand that, well you have my sympathy, but I am certainly not going to apologise for it.

Once again people on your side of the discussion are picking up on trivialities and not addressing the core points.

The snippet of news I heard was from the BBC, normally a fairly reliable source, suggested that because of the trade deal between the EU and Japan etc various goods would no longer be subject to various tariffs. The reporter went on to suggest that vehicles, in particular, would become far cheaper when exported from Japan, Korea etc.

If this where to be the case then it may make better economics for Nissan, Kia et al to export from their bases in that part of Asia than to manufacture in the UK which will in all probability no longer be a a part of the EU in a short time.

If this does prove to be the case, the future of these companies within the UK the finance, the jobs will be lost.

Yet another unintended consequence of Brexit. Nobody wrote that on the side of a bus!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 01:01 PM

No answer for your bad language, Keefy?

In the Bad Language Richter-Scale, I'm fairly certain that calling a fellow contributor a 'twat' ranks considerably higher than inserting 'sh' into Brexit.

The second time I've had to remind you of the 'People in glasshouses' adage in recent days. Not quite the Mr. Perfect you like to pretend you are, are you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 12:33 PM

I am being civil BWM, but making the reasonable point that Toyota have stated their intentions and no-one here suggesting otherwise will be believed. I would have left it there, but Dave came back with a dig at me over it.

Good to know that he does not ignore my posts. He just can't answer them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 12:29 PM

Still very early in the day, but Raab was saying he hoped to be getting progress on the White Paper, while the EU is saying - as it has done for the last two years or so - it needs the Withdrawal Agreement sorted first. David Davis went in wanting to talk trade before agreeing things like the Irish Border mechanisms, you remember.

So no progress at all by the sound of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 12:13 PM

"Maybe, but what is the likelyhood of you knowing more about Toyota's plans than they do?!

No-one would believe you on that Dave. You have made a twat of yourself again."


Thus spake he who exhorts everyone to be civil with each other on here, and rebukes others (such as me) for using bad language.

BrexShitter hypocrisy at its worst.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 12:04 PM

that does sound positive - but is that just grasping at straws. i very much hope this would be possible as i have 3 close relatives in estonia, italy and germany who want to get passports for those countries but are worried they would not be able to come back to the uk if necessary. great this brexit innit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 12:03 PM

Dave,
maybe I'm right.

Maybe, but what is the likelyhood of you knowing more about Toyota's plans than they do?!

No-one would believe you on that Dave. You have made a twat of yourself again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 11:43 AM

I thought anyone with a vague knowledge of these layouts could have worked it out. Niddling does not really add anything to the discussion though does it.
So why are you?

copy and paste from another source works extremely well

£ $ € ??? CFA ? T$
No excuses,even for antiques!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 11:22 AM

Well here's a bit of good news - the EU College of Commisioners is putting in motion the procedure which will hopefully allow UK citizens to claim permanent citizenship of the EU, should they wish, after we've finally been committed to the BrexShit Asylum.

Nothing written on tablets of stone, but they are at least inviting citizens of the other 27 Member States to indicate their support, or otherwise, for such a law to be enacted. Not quite the image of 'unelected bureaucrats forcing laws on Member States' that the BrexShitters would like everyone to believe is the standard Modus Operandi of the EU?

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4566_en.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 08:44 AM

See what I mean? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 08:37 AM

Dave, Toyota has said it will build the next generation of its Auris hatchback at its Burnaston plant in Derbyshire, so who cares what you say?

Also, Toyota said its Deeside factory in North Wales would build most of its engines, so again who cares what you say?

Why should anyone ignore Toyota's own statements just because they do not fit your prejudices?
Do you have any special knowledge? No.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 07:51 AM

I see it differently.

Therein lies the crux of the matter, Nigel. Maybe you're right and maybe I'm right. Maybe neither of us are and the truth is somewhere in the middle. I am more than happy to accept that and I suspect that you are as well. There are some however that will only ever believe that theirs is the only truth and that is where the discussions go downhill...


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 07:31 AM

Nobody can commit themselves for an indefinite period, and you seem to choose to take the last part of that quote as relating to the first part. I see it differently.
Toyota has said it will build the next generation of its Auris hatchback at its Burnaston plant in Derbyshire.

The Japanese carmaker also said its Deeside factory in North Wales would build most of its engines

It goes on to say

In other words, it is firmly committed to the UK for now. But that commitment is not open-ended or unconditional. and

"With around 85% of our UK vehicle production exported to European markets, continued free and frictionless trade between the UK and Europe will be vital for future success." (Dr Johan van Zyl, president of Toyota Europe)


For now, Toyota is increasing its investment, and will build its new model in UK. Due to uncertainties it cannot make promises beyond these promises already made.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 06:49 AM

The article you link only mentions pledge in relation to what the government have promised. From the article itself.

Toyota has said it will build the next generation of its Auris hatchback at its Burnaston plant in Derbyshire.

The Japanese carmaker also said its Deeside factory in North Wales would build most of its engines


It goes on to say

In other words, it is firmly committed to the UK for now. But that commitment is not open-ended or unconditional. and

"With around 85% of our UK vehicle production exported to European markets, continued free and frictionless trade between the UK and Europe will be vital for future success." (Dr Johan van Zyl, president of Toyota Europe)

No promises or pledges in view and conditional on frictionless trade with Europe. Just saying something is worth about as much as putting it on the side of a bus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 06:37 AM

Dave,
No, as I made clear (to the point of putting it in italics) it was a pledge. That does not make it 'speculation' (except in the financial sense).


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 06:21 AM

Nigel, Toyota staying or leaving is in the future. As you are always keen to point it is just speculation regardless of where it comes from. I am just trying to maintain a balance as I am sure you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 06:01 AM

Johnson the Braindead's present attacks of Mayflower make it obvious that he is making a bid for leadership
A fanny grabbing mysoginist President and a sexual predatory Prime minister at the same time
Make sure your chastity belts are in good order girls!

ON THE CARDS
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 05:38 AM

Dave, do you really think Toyota did not know the details in Feb of a deal sewn up last year?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 05:35 AM

DMcG, May has already stated that under no circumstances will we install border infrastructure, but we can not stop the other side doing it.

David,
Personally I don't want a free trade deal with the USA, at least under their current regime. It would be to the advantage of the USA, and to the detriment of the UK.

Not true. Free trade deals benefit both parties.

Rag,
EU and Japan etc could mean that cars from Japan, Korea and others could drop in price by about #5,000 per vehicle.
What price the "British" car industry if Nissan et al decide to close or curtail their operations here.


Do not worry Rag. UK has been fully involved in negotiating that deal and we will both want to keep it after Brexit.


Dave,
That was well before the new European tariff deal, Nigel.

No it was not.
Indie, "The signing in Tokyo on Tuesday for the deal, largely reached late last year, is ceremonial. It was delayed from earlier this month because Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe cancelled going to Brussels over a disaster in southwestern Japan, caused by extremely heavy rainfall."


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 05:28 AM

That was well before the new European tariff deal, Nigel. Things have now drastically changed and Toyota are a business no different to any other. They will do what is best for them.
I'm sure they will, but there seems to be an inbuilt bias here.

News that Toyota have pledged investment is discounted by saying they will look after their own interests, while it has been put here to counter nebulous comments about what may happen:
Another snippet I heard last night was that the new trade deal between the EU and Japan etc could mean that cars from Japan, Korea and others could drop in price by about #5,000 per vehicle.
What price the "British" car industry if Nissan et al decide to close or curtail their operations here.
Loss of revenue, loss of jobs (most in areas a that have low levels of employment at present)
Good news anyone ................?


It seems strange (but not surprising) when snippets of overheard 'news' are given greater credence than published news.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 05:11 AM

Shift 3 can be either # or £ depending on US/UK keyboard layout so I thought anyone with a vague knowledge of these layouts could have worked it out. Niddling does not really add anything to the discussion though does it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 04:48 AM

Archaic keyboards sometimes do not have the Euro symbol.
That's no excuse, anyone can type 'Euro', so Raggy could have clarified whether the figure quoted was 5000 Euro, 5000 pounds, or 5000 Yen. Obviously the figure for pounds/Euro are not so different, but 5000 Yen is about 34 pounds, so accuracy helps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 04:46 AM

That was well before the new European tariff deal, Nigel. Things have now drastically changed and Toyota are a business no different to any other. They will do what is best for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 04:20 AM

Despite this we already have a pledge from Toyota to continue in UK: BBC News 28 Feb 2018


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 04:14 AM

Archaic keyboards sometimes do not have the Euro symbol.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 04:03 AM

"Another snippet I heard last night was that the new trade deal between the EU and Japan etc could mean that cars from Japan, Korea and others could drop in price by about #5,000 per vehicle."

And pigs might fly!

There is a world of difference between could and would. The difference between possibility and actuality. Obviously these subtleties are a bit of a stretch too far for remoaners.

By the way is # some new currency conjured up by a remainiac?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 19 Jul 18 - 03:16 AM

I think that you are right and the deal with Japan will reduce the need for Japanese companies to manufacture in Europe. It will be all Japanese owned car factories under threat. I don't actually think that brexit changes this, they may go anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 06:45 PM

Another snippet I heard last night was that the new trade deal between the EU and Japan etc could mean that cars from Japan, Korea and others could drop in price by about #5,000 per vehicle.

What price the "British" car industry if Nissan et al decide to close or curtail their operations here.

Loss of revenue, loss of jobs (most in areas a that have low levels of employment at present)

Good news anyone ................?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 04:26 PM

Agreed, David C. Who would want to deal with the idiot in the White House? Apart from BoJo...

Oh, hang on. Just thought. Maybe this is where we are going.

Heaven help us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 02:13 PM

Personally I don't want a free trade deal with the USA, at least under their current regime. It would be to the advantage of the USA, and to the detriment of the UK.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 01:16 PM

Interesting comment from Teresa May to the Select Committee today:


The question session with the prime minister starts with Labour's Hilary Benn asking if it would not strengthen Mrs May's hand to put the Brexit White Paper to a Commons vote.

She responds that many pieces of legislation have been put through Parliament, and the EU knows what her government's position is.

He asks if she can confirm that a no-deal Brexit would lead to a hard border in Ireland.

She says that there is no simple answer, and in the event of no-deal the situation at the border would depend on decisions made by the government.


No simple answer to whether a "no-deal" Brexit would lead to a hard border in Ireland, eh? And dependant on decisions by this government, not the EU? Hardly the strong commitment by the government to no hard border mentioned many times on this thread, is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 11:10 AM

So, no free trade with the US. No free trade with Japan

Why not Dave?

I am a tad surprised that no one has yet mentioned that the leave campaign have been finded for breaking elections laws.

I am a tad surprised no-one has mentioned that Leave denies the accusation and intends to fight it in court, or that Remain spent millions more than Leave mostly funded from public purse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 11:06 AM

For the life of me, I cannot see how The Praying Mantis can last much longer. She's visibly a wreck, floundering around at PMQs, her voice becoming more and more tremulous with every appearance, whilst The Blond Buffoon and Jacob (call me Jake) Rich-Mong plot her downfall (and therewith a 'hard' BrexShit with no agreement).

Well let the buggers flounder. The last thing we need is another GE, and the last thing Labour need is to find themselves in office with this steaming heap of ordure dumped in their laps.

On the other hand, the Rothermeres, Murdochs, et al, along with their rich buddies in parliament, would be positively incandescent with delight that their dirty offshoring activities and sundry other tax avoidance schemes will be able to continue without hindrance.

What a fuck-up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 11:05 AM

I trust some of you have read May's reply to Johnson's resignation letter. In it she clearly states that an extra #394 million will be available to the NHS.

What she doesn't say fo course is that, according to a BBC news report, that that will be based on either huge cuts to other services and/or significant tax rises.

Brexit, don't you just love it.

Any good news anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 10:56 AM

But, but, but, taking are cuntry back, we won get over it, unicorns...!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 10:46 AM

Here you go, Raggy

European Union signs its biggest ever trade deal after striking agreement with Japan

I cannot find the bit about it being detrimental but it does say

At the moment, EU companies pay €1bn (£890m) of duty on products they export to Japan. Almost all of these tariffs will now be removed and 95% of tariffs the other way will also be wiped out.

These companies - including UK firms until Brexit - export nearly €60bn (£53bn) of goods and €28bn (£25m) of services to Japan.

According to the European Commission, the new deal has the potential to increase these exports by a quarter.


So, no free trade with the US. No free trade with Japan. It gets better and better doesn't it. Brexit, the gift that keeps shitting on you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 09:49 AM

Caught a fractionn of news last night relating to the agreement between the EU and Japan (other Asian countries) about removing tariffs from goods including vehicles. A spokesman seemed to suggest that this would be detrimental to the UK car industry in we were no longer part of the EU.

As I said I only caught a snippet does any know more.

But never mind Brexit is good eh!?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 06:16 AM

"Try not to talk to people and remember you are a mental midget Iaians"
That followed a long series of somewhat pathetic attempts to talk down those who had had the temerity to argoe with - you'd hardly been contributing to this thread for a month or so and already you has set out to belittle and insult your fellow posters and you have not refrained from doing so since
Perhaps you would care to link to the circumstances in which I made that remark - or maybe you would like me to
Always happy to oblige
You have become noted for your serial abusive behaviour - others indulge in such behaviour occasionally, including me - with you it is an addiction
Happy to link to the huge list of examples of your abuse if you wish

Before we close this thread between us, I suggest we retuurn to the subject
You have my arguments - let's have yours
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 05:22 AM

"AnY moron can offer insult rather than argument - they usually do"
As exemplified by your goodself!

Remember this little gem? 27 Feb 17 - 06:32 AM
"Try not to talk to people and remember you are a mental midget Iaians
People with far more knowledge and experience have had their fingers burned on this forum by forgetting their place.
You really are an obnoxiously smug bastard, aren't you"
or this 26 Feb 17 - 02:57 PM
Make up your fucking mind you mad fascist"

Plenty more tucked away jimmie. But no point in boring everyone to death, it is common knowledge you froth nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 05:07 AM

"The other knuckle dragger seems to think everyone that voted for out is a supporter of Enoch Powell."
Nope - just his ideas
Like moall of your posts - your reply is totally devoid of even the effort to rebuff what has been said
AnY moron can offer insult rather than argument - they usually do
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 04:09 AM

" It is not a binary issue and cannot have a binary answer."

What an asinine statement.

Perhaps the knuckle dragger would like a third option on the ballot for don't know?(as if it makes any difference)
The vote underpins democracy and the issues presented have to be binary, in/out, yes/no.
The country was presented with a referendum. A referendum is a direct vote in which an entire electorate is invited to vote on a particular proposal. This may result in the adoption of a new law. In some countries, it is synonymous with a plebiscite or a vote on a ballot question.

The other knuckle dragger seems to think everyone that voted for out is a supporter of Enoch Powell. Like most of what he posts, the idea is arrant nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 04:07 AM

Just a word on the "probability": I agree putting a number on it could be misleading. But you can ask questions such as "is a deal more likely than a no-deal"? if so, is it a bit more likely or a lot? And so on. And I think you can put that on a scale. I agree it is not really a probability, but it is close to what people often do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 03:50 AM

One gleam of comfort in all this is that, whatever decision wins will lead to the end of this present Government and a General Election - surely!
If the people of Britain aren't given the right of a second referendum based on the facts that have emerged during this catastrophic fiasco, at least they can (or should be allowed to) make their voice heard on who should lead them out of the inevitable chaos
Those countries who will be affected by the fallout are already making contingency plans - Ireland certainly is
It is to be hoped that the Border shenanigans won't herald an end to the Peace Agreement and a return to violent sectarianism
If it does, that blood with be on the hands of the Brexiteers
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 03:30 AM

I don't know how anyone would put a percentage on it, but it seems more and more likely.
I originally thought that we would get a negotiated deal, but 'no deal' would be a suitable fall-back position.
As Mrs May keeps reducing what we are requiring, and the EU refuse to negotiate (saying "that's not good enough, suggest something else" is not negotiating) then 'No deal' becomes more and more inviting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 03:15 AM

"I think the only knuckle draggers hereabouts are those that cannot accept that the majority voted to leave."
Accepting the inevitable is not an option what the decision was based on and passed for obviously bad reasons
It was sold on Powell's RIVERS OF BLOOD wet dream, and the IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FOLLOWING THE RESULT is proof posetive that that was the driving force behind the deciions to leave.

The refusal of you defenders of people's rights (if you happen to be of the right background, race, religion or colour) to even address how Brexit was sold and the consequences of its acceptance is as 'knuckle-dragging' as it gets - hiding behind the sham democracy of populism is equally prehistoric.
The refusal to view the present and almost certainly, future shambolic disruption of British life and society as a suggestion that that decision has brought some very nasty chickens home to roost beggars belief   
The "we won" midlessnes of these arguments.... Jay-sus!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 02:31 AM

OK, this is entirely subjective, but I'd be interested in hearing everyone's view on this one.

After the last few days I feel we have moved out of the stage where a 'no-deal' was basically a bravado-threat on both the UK and EU sides, into a very real chance of it happening. Using the informal idea of probability in everyday use, I would put the position at something like 30% no-deal, 70% deal.

What are your judgements?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jul 18 - 04:51 PM

Does that mean you agree, or disagree, with the idea that whether to leave the EU should have been left up to the "lying, devious self-serving shysters" rather than put to the, less well-informed electorate in a referendum?

Neither Nigel. It is not a binary issue and cannot have a binary answer. Just like the whole EU question. A completely unelected and undemocratic media also had their hand in this. As did the parties who's interest was to ensure that the proposed EU tax laws did not interfere with their salted away fortunes. The whole thing was a shambles and should have never happened. But it did and now the clowns who caused it do not have a clue how to proceed.


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