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BS: The Alternative Facts Thread

Greg F. 16 Feb 17 - 12:18 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 16 Feb 17 - 12:51 PM
akenaton 16 Feb 17 - 04:50 PM
Joe Offer 16 Feb 17 - 05:26 PM
Jeri 16 Feb 17 - 05:26 PM
akenaton 16 Feb 17 - 05:39 PM
Steve Shaw 16 Feb 17 - 05:46 PM
akenaton 16 Feb 17 - 05:47 PM
Jim Carroll 16 Feb 17 - 05:57 PM
Steve Shaw 16 Feb 17 - 06:18 PM
akenaton 16 Feb 17 - 06:34 PM
Greg F. 16 Feb 17 - 06:37 PM
Steve Shaw 16 Feb 17 - 06:41 PM
Greg F. 16 Feb 17 - 06:55 PM
FreddyHeadey 16 Feb 17 - 07:15 PM
Jim Carroll 16 Feb 17 - 07:36 PM
Steve Shaw 16 Feb 17 - 07:43 PM
Greg F. 16 Feb 17 - 09:12 PM
Donuel 16 Feb 17 - 10:55 PM
Jim Carroll 17 Feb 17 - 03:47 AM
Stu 17 Feb 17 - 04:32 AM
Iains 17 Feb 17 - 05:54 AM
Jim Carroll 17 Feb 17 - 07:51 AM
gillymor 17 Feb 17 - 07:56 AM
Iains 17 Feb 17 - 08:13 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 12:18 PM

No matter how much you may disagree with how the vote worked out, the fact remains that under US law Trump won the election.

Nobody is arguing that fact, old son. But that fact doesn't negate the fact that the deranged toddler in the White House is a proven pathological liar, a sexual predator, an egomaniac (if not just a maniac, period) a misogynist, a racist, a proponent of using nuclear weapons and a general all-around disgusting and dangerous piece of shit. And it Twitler and his cadre that are in the process of subverting democracy and replacing it with oligarchy of plutocrats.

THAT'S what intelligent people are rightfully concerned and upset about.

I'm only a "Scottish Trump apologist, who knows F all about US politics"

Glad you finally realized that, Ake.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 12:51 PM

From House Intelligence Chair Devin Nunes regarding a possible Flynn investigation:

"The big problem I see here is that you have an American citizen who had his phone calls recorded."

Well, the big problem I see here is that chairman of the House Intelligence Committee does not know that the telephone conversations of foreign agents are routinely recorded. It wasn't Flynn's calls that were recorded, but those of the Russian to whom he was talking.

One would think the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency would know that calls to or from the Russian Embassy would be recorded. Or maybe he did know and thought the old rules didn't apply anymore since Trump won. That seems to be the prevailing attitude among Trumpists.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 04:50 PM

Greg, I think the real reason you and the others are so pissed is because he ain't YOUR piece of shit.

Most politicians are pieces of shit, but this one seems to frighten the shit out of the establishment........and that is where the 24ct shit resides.

You want change to the situation in America, well you wont get it via the DEMs or the Pubs Give the guy a chance and he will put the heart back into the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:26 PM

Yes, Ake, I trust the U.S. intelligence services. Yes, there will be those who will dig up "alternative facts" and conspiracy theories but I think there is an overwhelming culture of integrity in the U.S. intelligence services - a drive to provide accurate information even if it isn't what the politicians want to hear (and these agencies are going to be very unpopular with the current administration). The political appointees at the tops of agencies can be swayed, but rank-and-file government workers in general remain professional and honest.
I worked for the Army Security Agency (part of NSA) for three years, and then spent 30 years in on-and-off contact with security agencies. They're good folks.
But the Trump Administration distorts the truth at every turn of the path, even when there's no reason for distortion.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:26 PM

So says the can't-vote, doesn't-have-to-live-with-the-results rabid "so called" conservative Scot. In an alternate universe, what he has to say may matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:39 PM

You are better placed than many to give your opinion Joe and you may well be correct, but these agencies have been demonised by the left since the days of Joe McCarthy, culminating in the Iraq and Libyan fiascos. In Fact, had the security services had their way Assad would have been displaced, Syria under the heel of ISIS and in all probability the West involved in a dangerous stand off with Russia.
Why the change in emphasis now?.....a conspiracy to remove the president?

These agencies MIGHT not be working against the democratic will of the people but they certainly do not look fit for purpose


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:46 PM

Please watch the press conference that Trump held this evening. He attacked the judiciary, he attacked the media big-time (which are overwhelmingly right-wing!) and he lied in his teeth about Russia. Along with Brexit, he is the biggest threat to democracy in the world today.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:47 PM

Jeri....nothing that anyone says here "matters", it is all about opinions, that is what this section of Mudcat is designed for, despite attempts to silence unpopular views.

My views generate a lot of traffic on this forum, some threads ran into many thousands of posts, if we were all identical in our opinions this or any other debating forum would fold in weeks.

Try to get over yourselves, debate is life.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:57 PM

Quote of the Year
Today's press conference should have taken place in the presence of a therapist, not the press
Republican politician
First time a president has ever been booed at a Press conference
The man is insane
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:18 PM

He's insane and he's bloody deadly.

So some threads that you instigated ran to "many thousands of posts." Well, to me "many thousands" means, er, at least five or six thousand. I don't regard anything fewer than five to be "many," and even that may be me being a little conservative. Some may regard "many" to be, say, ten or more. So tell me please which threads you're referring to. I don't remember any thread instigated by you running to many thousands of posts. Of course, it could be that my memory is defective. So, apprise me, please. Which threads?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:34 PM

You just love misrepresentation don't you Steve?

I really cant stand a cheat, you and Jim are a matching pair.
Where did I ever say threads INSTIGATED by me?
What would it matter who instigated the thread it is the views of the participants which are important.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:37 PM

If ever validation of this statement were needed:

I'm only a "Scottish Trump apologist, who knows F all about US politics"

Here it is:

#1 these agencies have been demonised by the left since the days of Joe McCarthy
(you obviously know bugger-all about the Mc Carthy era)


#2 Give [Trump] a chance and he will put the heart back into the USA.

Ake, I no longer have the time, or the will, or the intestinal fortitude to continue attempting a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent and/or attempting to out-piss a skunk.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:41 PM

"My views generate a lot of traffic on this forum, some threads ran into many thousands of posts"

That's what you said. No cheating this end. Now where are those threads of many thousands of posts, please? Either tell me which ones or withdraw your outrageous claim as to your massive influence. It's not easy to get me to drop these things, you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:55 PM

watch the press conference that Trump held this evening

Uh, Steve - that wasn't a news conference. It was a pep rally to gin up his demented followers & fan base.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 07:15 PM

16 Feb 2017 Trump: Administration 'Running Like A Fine-Tuned Machine' « CBS New York - CBS New York - CBS ...


"Chaos? There's zero chaos," Trump said. "We are running — this is a fine-tuned machine."

He continued: "We have made incredible progress. I don't think there's ever been a president elected who in this short period of time has done what we've done."

The president blamed what he called the hatred of the media for obscuring his accomplishments.



http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/02/16/trump-white-house-news-conference/ 


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 07:36 PM

"I really cant stand a cheat, you and Jim are a matching pair."
Did you actually watch this maniac berating the entire roomful of interviewers Ake
How far does he have to go before you explain yourself?
The man is utterly insane - even his own Party are disowning his behaviour
"I don't think there's ever been a president elected who in this short period of time has done what we've done."
Didn't he get that right!!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 07:43 PM

I want to hear of these threads of thousands of posts. If you think I'm being obsessive, dead bloody right I am. I'm sick of people degrading this forum with exaggerations, misrepresentations and downright lies. I'm sick of Keith doing it and I'm buggered if I'm letting akenaton get away with it. If the mods won't sort him, I'll have a go. Sod it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 09:12 PM

people degrading this forum with exaggerations, misrepresentations and downright lies

Could always be worse, Steve - for instance, Trump is degrading our whole country!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 10:55 PM

hahaha e's bloody deadly, sod it no more exaggerations

Steve you have a way of using Trump speak in a Monty Python argument sketch.
You are either quick to virtual anger or a great comedic character

I speculate with the aid of qualified information and it could be argued it is an exaggeration. If I were a journalist that would be anathema but as an individual it is insight when I'm right and drivel when wrong.

No one including you is right all the time.
If you are right as often as Beethoven was, that should be enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 03:47 AM

A nice non-statement Don
Of course nobody is right every time, but some people actually argue by putting up what they think while others make unqualified extremist statements and refuse to support them with argument
It's known as "stonewalling" in cricket (I am told)
That is the greatest cause of anger and abuse on this forum, as far as I can see.
Want an example - try "I really cant stand a cheat, you and Jim are a matching pair."
The maker of that statement will not qualify our dishonesty, neither will he expound on his blanket support for Trump - to do the first would require him breaking his golden rule on the second, and he obviously has no intention doing that.
That is not honest debate
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 04:32 AM

"Try to get over yourselves"

Are mate, with all respect you can't keep saying that. It's really disingenuous and condescending and stifles debate itself.


"If the mods won't sort him, I'll have a go. Sod it."

Ridiculous. Arrogant.

I started this thread to keep track of what the Trumpster was up to and provide a bit of light relief and speculation as to his motives. If you three want to ruin it with your usual love-in can I suggest you go somewhere else and give the rest of us a chance?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 05:54 AM

Although the thread was started to keep tabs on Trump and his behaviour, is it not also of interest to analyse the actions of those who would seem to be engineering a coup against him. It is all very well to rail against the man but surely the significant factor to be considered is the damage it is doing to the office of the POTUS.
A majority elected him for better for worse yet persons and organisations are hiding in the shadows determined to destroy him.
That is not a happy place for a democracy to be.
It is also significant that quotes can be found from Washington to JFK about hidden movers and shakers; A few are below:-many others can be found.
"A power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves, consisting of many and various powerful interests, combined in one mass, and held together by the cohesive power of the vast surplus in banks." – John C. Calhoun, Vice President (1825-1832) and U.S. Senator, from a speech given on May 27, 1836

"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day."— Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States, Theodore Roosevelt, An Autobiography,

"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings… Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe… no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only saythat the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent… For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed." — John F Kennedy, 35th President of the United States, from a speech delivered to the American Newspaper Publishers Association on April 27, 1961

This warning was further articulated by President Eisenhower in his farewell speech to the Nation, with warning about the military industrial complex. Since then it has further morphed with well established lobbyists blackmailing and cajoling the arms of government to bend to their will.
Time to ask who pays the Piper, the Electorate or the puppet masters?

I find it hard to believe these various quotes were conjured into being without having some substance.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 07:51 AM

"That is not a happy place for a democracy to be."
Nor is the undermining of the judiciary, the media and the constitution
"A majority elected him for better for worse"
A majority did not elect him - Clinton 65,844,954 (48.2%) Trump 62,979,879 (46.1%) - a little more than a quarter of eligible voters supported Trump
However, his behaviour is both a threat to democracy and to the well-being of the planet
Isn't it worth attempting to stop such a monster, despite how many voted for him?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: gillymor
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 07:56 AM

In his press conference yesterday the Orange Buffoon continued to lie about his victory in the electoral college.

Alternate Fact


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 08:13 AM

Jim.
The way the American electoral system is constructed indicates beyond argument that Trump won.(if brexit had been carried out on a regional vote akin to the electoral college the leave percentage would have been far higher)

I believe the judiciary upheld the constitution just recently over the immigration ban for those from certain countries.

It is an established fact that both the mainstream media and alternate media on occasions dispense false news.

What is being seen is the engineered take down of a legitimate President. Just imagine the sqeals if Hilary Clinton had won and was being subjected to a similar regime.
There are precedents for replacing a President, the fact that these are not being followed shows a contempt for democracy and the voters.

My thoughts are rather along the lines of the link. Too many revolving doors will kill democracy. It seems the tail is wagging the dog.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-tyranny-of-defense-inc/308342/


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 09:16 AM

"What is being seen is the engineered take down of a legitimate President. Just imagine the squeals if Hillary Clinton had won and was being subjected to a similar regime."

Very well said Iains, my views exactly, no matter what party one votes for, what is happening is disgraceful, undemocratic and IF the President is removed the repercussions will be unimaginable.

The protests are about what sort of person the "liberals" think Donal John is, not what sort of President he will turn out to be.
These people "liberals" have been wrong about almost everything they have done in the last few years and their friends in the media and security services have a dismal record stretching back decades.
If you want common sense or truth don't ask the Cia or the "liberals"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 09:24 AM

A majority elected him.   LIE

persons and organisations are hiding in the shadows. LIE
Those who oppose him & his cronies are quite above-board and obvious about it.

the damage it is doing to the office of the POTUS. NONSENSE
In fact, Trump is doing considerable damage, while the oppiosition is attempting to PRESERVE democracy.

quotes can be found from Washington to JFK about hidden movers and shakers IRRELEVANT

In addition, Quotes from Calhoun and Teddy Roosevelt quite amusing, as you obviously have no idea who or what comprised the "invisible government" they were railing against. (HINT: look up oligarchy + plutocracy = Trumpism)

You seem little better than your hero in the area of lies, mis-statements and BS - see:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/politics/trump-fact-check.html


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 09:42 AM

"The way the American electoral system is constructed indicates beyond argument that Trump won"
Thew way he is behaving indicates beyond doubt that he has no regard for the American constitution and the verdict of the court has ruled that his behavior is illegal.
The evidence suggests that his and his colleagues' connections with Russia are also illegal as was that country's interference in the election.
He is a belligerent extremist right-wing bully – his actions yesterday show just how ruthlessly dangerous he is.
His warfare with the Judiciary, the Meia and the security services make him an extremely dangerous individual
You can hide behind a dubiously arrived at election result if you wish, but you (and Ake) need to start addressing the consequences of his actions.
Appeasing tyrants has cost a hell of a lot of lives, even in my lifetime.
I'm not sure what your piece from the pro-Trump, 'The Atlantic' is supposed to signify, but it is noteworthy to see that it talks about Eisenhower as an opponent of Russia while here we have Russia interfering in American democracy
As I say – address the consequences of letting this extremely dangerous man go unchallenged and stop hiding behind an electoral anomaly that has little to do with democracy.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 09:58 AM

"Just imagine the squeals if Hillary Clinton had won and was being subjected to a similar regime."

But she was; the FBI leaked her emails but sat on Trump's dealings with Russia. One is a procedural error, one is possibly treasonous.

There's plenty of reason to squeal at the moment; Trump's assault on the press is a work prime hypocrisy; Murdoch was sitting in on his interview with Gove and the other chap. Trump is seeking to control the flow of news to suit his own ends rather than for the purpose of conveying quantifiable truths. This should be thundered against; Farage would do the same for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: gillymor
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 10:08 AM

More "AF's" from Twitler's press conference yesterday according to a fairly neutral source, USA Today:

"• The president praised his administration's implementation of his anti-terrorism executive order, which has been largely blocked by the courts. "The rollout was perfect," he said. But the order caused confusion at the nation's airports, including for green-card holders and dual citizens.

• Trump said that the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which unanimously decided not to reinstate Trump's travel ban, has had its rulings overturned by the Supreme Court "at a record number." Not true.

• Trump wrongly said that Hillary Clinton "gave" Russia 20% of the uranium in the United States. Clinton was one of nine votes approving the deal. She alone couldn't have stopped the deal, which involved 20% of U.S. production capacity, not stocks, and the uranium can't go to Russia without export licenses.

• The president claimed his November victory was "the biggest Electoral College win since Ronald Reagan." It wasn't. Three presidents since Reagan captured a larger share of electoral votes than Trump did, including Republican George H.W. Bush.

"• Trump said "jobs have already started to surge" since his election, citing investments by Ford, Fiat Chrysler and Intel. But the investments, much of which were in the works before the election, were largely market driven.

• Contrary to the president's claim that "nobody mentions that Hillary received the questions to the debates," there was plenty of press coverage in October when it was revealed that former CNN contributor Donna Brazile shared several questions with the Clinton campaign during the primary election.

• Trump said he thought the media had "a lower approval rate than Congress." No — the public's approval of Congress is lower than its trust in the media."

The entire story with details for each entry here.

USA Today seems to have overlooked Twitler's falsehood regarding a potential meeting with Rep.Elijah Cummings. The old saw "You can tell he's lying because his lips are moving" seems to be especially true for this man-child.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 10:14 AM

"If the mods won't sort him, I'll have a go. Sod it."

Ridiculous. Arrogant.

I started this thread to keep track of what the Trumpster was up to and provide a bit of light relief and speculation as to his motives. If you three want to ruin it with your usual love-in can I suggest you go somewhere else and give the rest of us a chance?


Blimey, and WE'RE arrogant! 😂 Every thread I start here gets waylaid but I don't moan and groan about it like you do. I simply asserted that I'm taking akenaton on over his fatuous claim that he's the prime mover behind threads-of-thousands. He did it in your thread so why didn't YOU pick him up? For the same bloody reason that I DID pick him up, that's why - because it's a free country. The thread will go whichever way it will and you're no more a thread dictator than I'm an anti-ake mod. And, while you're reaching for your Rennies, just try to remember whose side I'm on.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 10:37 AM

"I simply asserted that I'm taking akenaton on over his fatuous claim that he's the prime mover behind threads-of-thousands."

With all due respect, apart from you two no-one gives a shit about Ake's claim and it's no relevant to the thread, just another episode in your ongoing spat. Start a "Steve's Spat Thread".

Now I'm in a spat. Shine on.


"He did it in your thread so why didn't YOU pick him up?"

I don't care about it being my thread, just I didn't intend it to turn into a Ake/Shaw lovefest which it is in danger of doing.


" Every thread I start here gets waylaid but I don't moan and groan about it like you do"

You're obviously a far better man than I.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 10:41 AM

"I'm taking akenaton on over his fatuous claim that he's the prime mover behind threads-of-thousands." - Shaw

Only trouble Shaw is that Akenaton made no such claim did he? All he said was that his comments on the threads he contributes to attach a great deal of attention by way of responses.

As to this addressed directly to Stu - "just try to remember whose side I'm on." - Is this another indication that you and your pals do not act in concert? Thought you weren't supposed to be on anybody's side.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 11:13 AM

"My views generate a lot of traffic on this forum, some threads ran into many thousands of posts"

There ya go, Teribus. Wot he said.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 11:25 AM

Another thread in a complete tangle as it shifts to argue over the nonsense that Ake spews and how it should be treated. His work here is done.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 11:31 AM

Well yes, that was mere nonsense. But on other occasions it's nonsense plus bigotry plus ignorance plus bile, innit?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 11:39 AM

Steve Shaw - 17 Feb 17 - 11:13 AM

"My views generate a lot of traffic on this forum, some threads ran into many thousands of posts"

There ya go, Teribus. Wot he said.


Absolutely Shaw and here is how you responded to that post of Akenaton's

Steve Shaw - 16 Feb 17 - 06:18 PM

"So some threads that you instigated ran to "many thousands of posts"


Tell me Shaw where in the following does he mention threads that he has instigated?:

"My views generate a lot of traffic on this forum, some threads ran into many thousands of posts"

I ask Shaw because I have very good eyesight and I just simply cannot see any reference in that remark to the instigation of anything. I thought that you claimed to be an educated man - can't you read? Do you not understand plain English? Or do you have to "make stuff up" to pick a fight?

You have just been caught out ex-union activist, you are a Troll - to make a point you have to invent stuff - that Steve Shaw Spat thread of Stu's is a damned good idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: gillymor
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 12:01 PM

Second what Acme said, this thread is too important to get closed due to the usual backbiting. Start your own Trump thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 12:17 PM

If you have such good eyesight, please show me the threads with the many thousands! 😅


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 04:56 PM

Well, this started as an "Alternative Facts" thread, but within a few posts it had degenerated into a full scale attack on President Trump and his administration, just the usual bile from bad losers, they gleefully applaud leaks from the security services against the Trump administration, yet screamed to high heaven when Wikileaks released the information on Democratic Party corruption and Mrs Clintons indiscretions

The point being that when the thread moved away from a list of alternative facts and into attack mode, the way was clear for members who do not think that Donal-John is the devil incarnate to offer up their views.
I have no intention of trying to have threads closed, as could be seen from the Barthes thread where attacks by several members on myself interrupted the flow of the discussion and Bill asked for the thread to be closed.
On the Labour Party thread a group of people have been trying to have the discussion terminated by taking it off topic and chattering amongst themselves on matters which have absolutely nothing to do with the Labour Party......why this behaviour is allowed I cannot understand, when others are taken to task for trying to have an adult debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 05:00 PM

Try a "figure of speech" or "poetic license", normally used as a common way of making a point clearer. The impact the likes of Akenaton and Keith A have on threads is that they minute they rip your arguments to bits and challenge your contentions there is a group of at least six of you jump in spouting unadulterated bollocks, to use Steve Shaw's expression (By the way it's the bollocks that is Steve Shaw's expression - It is my opinion massively backed up with evidence that it is unadulterated bollocks.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 05:31 PM

First, Ake, lets dispense with "alternative facts" and call the crap peddled by Twitler& the Trumpists what it is: LIES.

The thread never moved away from the constant stream of lies coming out of the mouth of Twitler and his wall-street corporate crony cabinet.

I you consider pointing out these lies for what they are is not "a full scale attack" on the president and calling the people pointing out these lies "sore losers" is just channeling the deranged five-year-old egomaniac that occasionally (when he's not holed up in one of his hotels or golf courses) occupies the White House.

Give over, already and remember that you are a self-confessed "Scottish Trump apologist, who knows F*** all about US politics".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 05:49 PM

No Greg, these words were uttered by someone much more intelligent and insightful than me. I was using them in a futile attempt at irony :0(

However we seem to manage to disagree all the time without resorting to misrepresentations or bad feeling.....when I say that I like your style , I mean it. Debate should be like that, leaving the personal stuff out.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 05:49 PM

"......why this behaviour is allowed I cannot understand, when others are taken to task for trying to have an adult debate."

And some of us wonder why your lying behaviour is allowed. I'm still waiting for you to tell me which threads of "many thousands" of posts you influenced so much. I can't seem to find them. Before you start attacking other people you seriously need to clean up your own act. Just start by being truthful. We can deal with the rest of your issues later.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 06:02 PM

The homosexual "marriage" threads amounted to many thousands(there were several of them) and I ploughed a lone furrow on most of them, assisted by the few real liberals who inhabit this place and believe in freedom of speech.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 06:10 PM

Give me the thread titles.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 02:15 AM

Shaw, if you can't be arsed to answer the questions put to you by others, can you offer me any reason at all why people should answer yours? I cannot think of one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 03:47 AM

"Shaw, if you can't be arsed to answer the questions"
If you can't be arsed to address people decently, why don'y to just fuck off?
Your obsessively ill-manned arrogance to everybody who disagrees with you has no place on a debating forum
You bring nothing to a debate other than your self-obsession
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 04:26 AM

Ehmmm Jom, Shaw doesn't even have the manners to address his questions to the person he wants the answer from.

Additionally Shaw does happen to be his correct name AFAIK.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 05:05 AM

"Ehmmm Jom,"
You obviously have no intention of behaving like an adult
I wonder if any passing forum fairy has any better luck than I have in persuading you to do so before you fuck up another discussion
I am not interested in the "he hit me first" mentality - I left that behind fifty-odd years ago
Grow up and let's discuss subjects without your eternal ego tripping
Jim Carroll


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