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Subject: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 06:10 AM

Hope you don't need it!

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 06:31 AM

They'll need it whatever happens. This campaign has been traumatic and damaging and we'll all take long time to recover from it. It would help considerably if Clinton won by a margin that was not too narrow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 07:14 AM

The campaign has exposed the blatant corruption within both Parties......that is the best thing which could have happened.

The American people will probably end up with anther establishment, corporate dynasty, but at least the massive flaws in the American political system and the political media have been brutally exposed.

Next time no one will be able to say "We did not know"


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Stu
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 08:05 AM

"establishment, corporate dynasty,"

Because Trump isn't corporate at all, isn't part of the corporate machine and lives humbly and behaves according his own deeply held believe in being compassionate to all human beings?

If Trump wins, then corporate capitalism of the worst kind would now hold so much more political power than it does now as an uber capitalist will be in charge, only being reigned in by his advisors and other wonks. It'll represent the utter and profound failure of democracy in the west, and the victory of unfettered, unregulated, pure capitalism. And that is BAD.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 08:31 AM

Bruce Springsteen was in good voice last night.

Bottom line is, always vote against anyone who advocates torture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 09:21 AM

Thank you! I am pretty sure it's not as close as it seems from the media - that is, if there are 999 reasonable people and 1 loon, the media tend to report 1000 people and here is an opinion, and quote the loon. I'm fairly confident in the 999 reasonables that don't make the news.
That said, I'll go in a while, after a cuppa and get my courage up...


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 09:25 AM

Mrs Steve and I are horrified by the whole thing. Civilisation is in suspense today. Enjoy your tea. If you catch me posting after UK midnight tonight I may well be under the influence of something stronger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 09:30 AM

Whatever happens, and I believe Clinton will win, Trump has exposed the seedy underbelly of the US, and the racists, insane haters, easily fooled, and those who desire a dictator, have crawled out of the woodwork and into the light.

Where are they gonna go?


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 09:39 AM

That's the big fear even if she wins. The brexit issue has caused a surge of race hate crime here. What's going to happen to you could well make brexit look like a walk in the park.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Stu
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 09:45 AM

"I am pretty sure it's not as close as it seems from the media"

Don't be complacent! If you get stung, it'll hurt a damn sight more than you realise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 10:01 AM

There was about 200 people and 4 strollers in our elementary school polling place at 7 AM that went out the door. It was about the same for Bush in 2004. I saw many Trump voters as evidenced in my opinion of demographics, behavior and dress i.e. red hats etc.. There were no "observers for Trump".

Actual voting was done by a pen filling in an oval space in a booth then in another line scanned by a machine that collated all votes digitally. At one point the streams/lines got crossed but was quickly sorted out. The last step seemed like a weak link by the time all data is transferred to a thumb drive and transported to larger collating machines.
This was still less redundant than last time.

40 minutes total time spent in line until out the door.

The mood was much more quiet, subdued, insulated and self absorbed than ever before.

No one had a clothes pin on their nose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 10:17 AM

I just hope to get there early enough to get a cream cheese & olive sandwich. (Ladies' Auxiliary sells baked goods and sammiches.) Will probably come home afterwards, but I may hang around outside for a bit. I'm tempted to Facebook "live", but I probably won't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 10:18 AM

No photo ID required but after we gave our name and were confirmed with a receipt that went into a paper pocket on a folder we had 3 destinations to traverse while holding our oversized Manilla envelopes concealing our ballot   It was simplicity itself.?


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 10:29 AM

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Charmion
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 11:45 AM

From Donuel: "I saw many Trump voters as evidenced in my opinion of demographics, behavior and dress i.e. red hats etc."

If anyone showed up at a Canadian polling place displaying a partisan symbol or slogan, he or she would be intercepted at the door and sent away to remove the said partisan thingie.

Also, in our elections, campaign signs and materials may not be displayed any closer to a polling place than 100 metres. Partisan poll workers (scrutineers) represent the party that won the last election and the party that came second; they sit together beside the ballot box and make sure that you, personally, with your own fair fingers, insert your ballot -- which is a carefully folded slip of paper -- into the box.

Mind you, our federal elections are simple affairs in which voters are asked only to select their Member of Parliament. With every American election cycle, I am more and more grateful for the Westminster system of government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Stu
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 11:56 AM

I have the good fortune to have several American friends and have met many more, a wonderful people. Good luck!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 12:00 PM

This is worrying:

Chicago's chances in a zombie apocalypse

The Trumpocalypse has been going on for a lot more than two months.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 12:29 PM

And good luck, Arizona, the state with Joe Arpaio running for re-election as county sheriff....words fail me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 12:36 PM

Joe Arpaio running for re-election

LOCK HIM UP!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 01:57 PM

In the light of those posts I'm amazed voting numbers aren't a lot lower in the States. 40 minutes - I'd expect to spend maybe three minutes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 02:01 PM

"Whatever happens, and I believe Clinton will win, Trump has exposed the seedy underbelly of the US, and the racists, insane haters, easily fooled, and those who desire a dictator, have crawled out of the woodwork and into the light."

And those people are allowed to possess guns.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 02:55 PM

I live 'near' Donuel, but vote at a different school. They said that there were LONG lines at 7:00 AM, but there was almost no line at 2PM... they expect longer lines again later. Early voting combined with liberal Maryland has kept things fairly low key. In 2012, I waited in a pretty long line even at mid-day... but there was no early vote then, except for mail.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: ranger1
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 03:01 PM

I went at 8:45 AM local time. In and out in ten minutes, may have taken me longer to find a parking space. Glad I went early, I hear it was taking about an hour from 10 AM on. And now I wait, fingers crossed for "business as usual" as opposed to "possible Armageddon".


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 05:15 PM

It took me longer to decide I didn't want the cream cheese & olive sandwich because the crusts had been cut off and find some cookies than it did to vote. Five minutes, maybe. Small towns are great.

Of course, it seems Trump was whining because some people got to vote after the polling station was supposed to be closed. The problem was that they were late getting in. I think the judge wasn't having it. Too bad-registered voters got to vote. I hear they were mostly Hispanics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 05:39 PM

On a hopefully lighter note, a pundit on telly tonight has just said that "tomorrow will be an historic day." well I've just checked every history book written by living historians in the last thirty years on the shelves of a reputable bookshop and I can't find anything in them about tomorrow at all!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 06:51 PM

Charmion, anyone in recognizable party or candidate regalia is supposed to be turned away from U.S. polls also. No selfies with your ballot (here in Texas), and lots of other rules to maintain civility. I didn't put a Hillary yard sign up this year because of the risk of Trump supporters vandalizing (they did some damage in town earlier this year). I did see one this morning - more power to them!

I have a canvas bag from the Hillary campaign that I have my dance class gear in. I can't even carry anything like that at work (students can wear campaign stuff, apparently, but for faculty and staff it is verboten). I suppose now that the election is over that bag can come out of hiding.   

One hour and ten minutes until local coverage of election results here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 08:06 PM

I was in line for about 15 minutes. Here in a dying mill town in Rhode Island, in a part of town with small house lots, condos, tenement houses, and apartment complexes, we voted in a furniture store. My wait in line would have been shorter if I'd been in the M-Z line instead of with the A-Ls. It would have been even shorter if the state was equipped with electronic ID scanners. Our poll workers often have trouble with alphabetical order beyond the first letter of last names as they search through their books of registered voters. The only campaign workers were on the proper side of the sign indicating their boundary, and they represented two candidates running for town council in our ward. None of the voters seemed to have any problems, but the only people I saw seemed to be like me--white without accents that I heard or garb that indicated they were anything other than Christian. We've got a lot of minorities in this town. I hope they voted at other times or polling places.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 01:05 AM

I'm in Arizona tonight. It looks like Sheriff Joe is losing, after 24 notorious years in office. That's one good result of this election.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 01:24 AM

I started this thread back in February, to which the responses were almost unanimous that the resukt could never happen. Whatr went wrong. Are human beings no longer capable of common sense?



Subject: BS: Trump
From: SPB-Cooperator - PM
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:09 PM

A challenge to all American folkies.....

In light of one of your presidential candidates calling for increased and more intensive use of torture, why do you think as a country you have any right to participation on the world stage, and do you think you should be subjected to worldwide sanctions?

ps I know there are a lot of decent people in US, including several personal friends.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: TIA
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 02:02 AM

I am ashamed to learn that there are so fucking many hateful racist shitbags in USA. Knew there were some, but so many!?!? Really?


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 02:18 AM

Well you could emigrate, TIA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 03:06 AM

Commiserations. Just try to keep him under control on the world stage and maybe he will not start a war in the next 4 years.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 04:01 AM

I will say here the same as I said of the Brexit vote. I do not believe it is a good decision but it will be nowhere near as bad as the detractors would have us believe. There will be some bad results but there will be some positive things come out of it. Hopefully, like the Brexit vote, it is a shake up of the complacency of establishment politicians. Whether that shake up will be a step too far remains to be seen but we can only hope for the best.

Once more, with feeling.

Good luck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:34 AM

Well they say bad things happen in threes. We've had brexit, we've had Trump. I dread to think what the third thing will be.

Perhaps General Zod will return and take over the world.




No, hang on....that would be an improvement...


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Subject: BS: A Trump in a circus
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:37 AM

Trump is a UK slang word for fart. So the presedential election was a fart in a circus


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Subject: RE: BS: A Trump in a circus
From: JHW
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:57 AM

off she went with a trumpety trump, trump trump trump


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: JHW
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:02 AM

I warned you. Just wait for new sign. TRUMP WHITE HOUSE.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:18 AM

We have always been told the world would end when the Last Trump sounded. Well, hold on to your hats chaps...


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:20 AM

trump supreme court trump house trump senate trump military

a government shut down this December will be different this time.
it will be a punishing, decimating siege starvation of government workers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: skarpi
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 09:55 AM

9/11 again .......what a disaster for the world , a man who have only have half of his brain ...is going to the white house , I feel sorry for you american s ,as I am 1/4 my self I am a shame of it , neither Trump nor Clinton should be a President , the only man who was good enough was Bernie Sanders ...so it will be interesting to see , what will happen in the near future , will he be shot , or will the military and CIA shut up ...that man is a Bad News ...

God help this world

This is just my view ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 12:28 PM

I can only hope Bernie could have fired up America.

the USA as a whole will strive to be a free democracy. Trump hate is not all of who we are, it is the stabbing pain in what we have lost in jobs and homes, wars and fortune to the very rich.

Skarpi, your free speech is dangerous in America.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Peter the Squeezer
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 02:05 PM

From Skarpi - "... what will happen in the near future , will he be shot ..."

I remember some graffiti from the days of Ronald Reagan's time as president - "Lee Harvey Oswald - your country needs you now"

Seriously - the repercussions from an assassination would be worse than having to put up with the outcome of the election.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:08 PM

The media didn't know because the polls didn't know.

Plenty of voters were too ashamed to admit they were going to vote for Donald J Lump. The media, on Tuesday, were saying that was the Democrat's fear. The polls were wrong because they asked the wrong questions. The media were wrong because they believed the polls.

How you ask a person if he is voting for a cretin is obvious. How you get them to tell you: the man is a cretin and they are still going to vote for one - well would you?

We in the UK warned you. Cameroon got in against the odds. Brexit went the same way. For the same reason. Austria nearly got a neo-Nazi and are gunning for a re-run of that election.

My guess is that the pollsters know the problem, think they had the solution, and patently don't.

Anyone got any possible solutions to tell the pollsters? I don't!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:18 PM

I think one potential solution is to keep the media in check. It seems to me that rather than reporting the news, they are now making it. People are seeing politics as a big reality show and not realising that the odds are peoples lives and world economies. Fox news and The Sun have become the opium of the masses in place of religion and it has not made things any better.

Just my 2p but if you look at the number of dubious sound bites posted as facts by people on here you will see the effect that the media has had on them. I know we need free speech and freedom of the press but when their freedoms damage the lives of real people it is time to take a step back.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:32 PM

I read most of the media throughout the election, it was almost exclusively anti "Donal John" as they say in Lewis(his mother's place of birth)

The most biased by far was the New York Times, a publication which has been described by members as "even handed"

Who gets to decide which areas of the media are moderated? Not Dave I hope!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:35 PM

The most biased by far was the New York Times

You really are a freakin idiot, Ake. Give it a rest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:41 PM

When any media frenzy starts to affect the lives of millions of people we have a choice. Either let it carry on until we end up with the type of circus portrayed in Science Fiction or we say enough is enough. I had enough years ago and stopped buying newspapers and watching anything but news in brief. I prefer to form my own opinions of world events and in this age of free information it is really simple to see and analyse all sides of an argument. Many people, particularly of the 'old school', either do not or cannot seem to do this. Fine, they have had their day and cannot evolve. It is not their fault. Fortunately my children and grandchildren will see them slip into history as the dinosaurs before them did and their bigotted viewpoints will die with them. I hope!

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:01 PM

I have never been ashamed to be an American. Until this election


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:06 PM

C'mon Dan, embrace that piece of human excrement that will adorn the White House - he said he's gonna represent all of us.

Don't tell me you don't believe him - just because he can't open his mouth without telling lies out of both sides of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:11 PM

The pendulum of history keeps swinging. When the clock is off balance, the pendulum swings too far in first one direction and then in the other..

I think that the people who oppose President Obama must feel even more strongly than the events of these eight years had shown. They perceive the pendulum as having swung too far and they are correcting it.

And it could scarcely be more opposed:

Where Obama is cerebral and intellectual, Trump lives in the moment and is incurious about the rest.
Obama has class, Trump is crass.
Obama is diplomatic, Trump is reactive.
Obama is faithful, Trump promiscuous.
Obama has two children by one wife; Trump has five children from three wives.
Obama values women, Trump thinks they are on earth for men's titilation.

There are many more conclusions that could be drawn


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:31 PM

The central conclusion to be drawn is that Trump is a piece of gabage and those that support him are not much better.

Cest fini.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Airymouse
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:16 PM

Trump supporters had every right to be angry and frightened. After the financial crisis hardly any of the crooks that caused it went to jail and the ones that were just stupid wound up bailing out with hundreds of millions of dollars as a reward for their incompetence. But people in the middle class lost their houses, their homes, their life savings and their jobs. So they said enough is is enough. This election I'm not going to vote for anyone from the establishment. Both the Republican party and the Democratic party tried to nominate a tried-and true(?) old guard established politician. Unfortunately for our country and the world, only one party succeeded.
I voted for HRC, but it's important to understand why others did not.
Other posters have already noted that had the Democrats nominated Senator Sanders we would have had a Democratic president (and I think we would also have had control of the senate.) Alas, Democrats took a tremendous gamble and lost.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:00 PM

had the Democrats nominated Senator Sanders we would have had a Democratic president

Absolute Fantasy. But keep on keepin' on - that way we'll end up with more Trumps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Airymouse
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:17 PM

You're right: all we know for sure is that if had not nominated Sanders we would have ended up with Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 09:50 AM

I am going to try and get through the next four years without watching him even once. Ignore the pain until it goes away. Focus on grandbabies and fish. They I understand not the country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:02 AM

Declared 100 day intentions by Trump
Deport illegal Mexicans and build the wall
Abolish Obama's health reforms.
Renege on any previous agreements on climate change
Little wonder that decent Americans right across the country - New York, Washington - San Francisco - have taken to the streets claiming he does not speak for them them
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:06 AM

There are lessonsin eevery action in life. Maybe we need a lying piece of shit to show the nation why it's important to elect integrity and leadership in the future. I only hope his staff takes away the launch codes like his twitter account


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:12 AM

You should have stood, Dan! I did nominate you :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 11:30 AM

Guantanamo still exists - the power of a President demonstrated for all to see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:56 PM

they joked about Nixon "would you buy a used car from this man"

I was serious about Obama when he was angry with Trump "even when he is angry I would buy a used car from this man"

And as for the Lump. "I wouldn't buy a used company from the guy". Even for free!

God bless America.
God, GOD! Where the £$"^*?! are you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:05 PM

I like your plan, Dan and I'm going to steal it, "Fish your way through a Trump Life crisis."


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:16 PM

Nixon was just a common criminal.

Trump is a 24 karat piece of shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:30 PM

Gilly plan on going to alaska with me this summer. We can steal my kids truck and camper and slaughter the salmon


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:52 PM

Lump

Whats good for the goose..

Ya know Mr. Red, lump could stick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Airymouse
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:04 PM

My view that Senator Sanders would have been elected president has been deemed absolute fantasy, and of course there is no way for me to prove that I am right. I think, however, that the results from Michigan support my view. HRC lost Michigan by fewer than 12,000 votes.There were 89,000 Michigan voters who went to the polls and voted for all measures except the presidential race. These voters found all the candidates unacceptable, but I believe they would have found Sanders acceptable. Why do I believe that? Well for starters HRC was favored by the pollsters in Michigan by between 8 and 20 points, but lost to Sanders in the primary. Michael Moore, who knows more about voters in Michigan than most of us, said that he believed that Donna Brazile's dishonesty played a crucial part in HRC's defeat. The woman who asked the question (already supplied to HRC) was on TV the week before the election saying that she had been duped and played for a fool. The question was quite predictable, but it was the 2nd time Donna had provided a question, so it played into the image that HRC was dishonest, and that image had already been polished by Comey. Whether or not I'm right, the DNC needs to clean house and be whisker clean in the 2018 election and Democrats need to offer real change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:13 PM

Tell me again which "sides" supporters are rioting and resorting to violence?


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:14 PM

I now know how black people have felt for years and years. People I have known and respected for years and find out they were really closet racists. Trump signs etc. I will never again talk to closet bigots. That is what I hate most of all this


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:26 PM

I can freely accept difference in politics. But never accept bigotry and racism. Never before and now. Lost a lot of friends over this but I am better off without them


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:38 PM

I will never again waste my timevvoting in a Presidential election. Twice now my candidate won the most votes only to lose because of
OOur fucked up system


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:50 PM

"Tell me again which "sides" supporters are rioting and resorting to violence?"

The supporters of the side that:

*won the popular vote
*are disgusted by Trump's misogyny
*are disgusted by Trump's homophobia
*are disgusted by the fact that they are about to be governed by a man who thinks that sexual assault is fun
*want to keep their abortion rights and the right to gay marriage
*want to fight global warming
*want to reach out to the world, not shut themselves away in a country that is isolationist, protectionist and which makes friends with dictators such as Putin and Assad.


And anyone like to bet against the first death in these "riots" being perpetrated by a cop?


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 02:53 PM

People need to just accept it and hope the coolaid wears off by next election


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 06:03 PM

Olddude, those of us who paid attention to earlier posts from you, as well as those who have been here longer than I have, know that Hillary Clinton is more than a name to you, she is someone you care about. Well, Mrs. Clinton may have lost the election, but look at it this way: you have not lost Mrs. Clinton. After observing how she coped and adapted during her husband's two terms -- I did what you are saying you will do, during Monica Lewinsky's metaphorical fifteen minutes of fame -- I am confident that Mrs. Clinton will cope, adapt, and work again.

I am no better than anyone else at viewing something, in that I put my own feelings and experiences into my viewpoint. My family of origin, which used to be virtually cemented into a show of unity, is not what it was in my childhood. There is a future for my relatives in the younger generations, however the family of my past is no more than an historical footnote to their future. And I honestly think this nation will never be the same again. God willing, we may avoid a civil war; we cannot avoid the division that threatens this nation's centralized government. And as olddude says, we will lose relationships as the divisions are confronted. There is much to grieve, and much to be done.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 08:51 PM

You are right my dear friend
I wwill settle down. I talked to her yesterday
Her aand bill
Are fine . It just hurts
Me a lot


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 09:03 PM

Her and bill were going for a hike at a state park. She wants
Us to support him.. I can't


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 09:10 PM

She is a class act for sure. Me not so much


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Rumncoke
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 09:17 PM

I don't know what they are putting in the coffee to give to Trump, but he seems to have been a strong dose of something - and a stern talking to -

Why am I getting an image of Toad of Toad Hall from 'wind in the willows' being berated by Badger Ratty and Mole?

Perhaps he will renege on everything he said pre election - him not being a politician.
We seem to be living in interesting times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Stu
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 05:29 AM

"Tell me again which "sides" supporters are rioting and resorting to violence?"

It was Trump telling people to march on Washington when he thought he was loosing. Now he whines that they are protesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 07:23 AM

There is a difference between protesting and rioting stu.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Stanron
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 07:32 AM

Rumncoke wrote: Perhaps he will renege on everything he said pre election - him not being a politician.
On another thread I tried to post that Trump used to be a Democrat. He was reported to have said that he would do better going for President as a Republican because "those people will believe anything". My point was that he may surprise some of you by implementing Democrat policies. Was I dreaming or did I hear on the news that he will not now get rid of Obamacare?

Incidentally a day after the election I posted the tablature to Nellie The Elephant on the Acoustic Guitar Forum. It's had over 100 views but no comments so far.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Rumncoke
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 12:14 PM

That is what is being reported, some aspects of Obamacare will be Trumpeted.

We used to dance the long Morris to 'Nellie the elephant' on a wind up gramophone in the playground, must be 60 years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 12:47 PM

Was I dreaming or did I hear on the news that he will not now get rid of Obamacare?

There was no chance that Trunmp was ever going to be able to "get rid of" the Affordable Care Act. Just another one of his lies to energize the cockroaches.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 12:54 PM

"There is a difference between protesting and rioting stu."
Depends on which side you are on, I suppose.
Seem to remember he promised to jail Clinton - sounds like taking political prisoners to me.
This mademan has ticked every box as a fascist, so far.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 06:52 PM

I love that image of Ratty, Mole, and the Badger talking some sense into Toad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 07:19 PM

It's very simple for the powers that be to turn a demonstration into a "riot," Pete. They just have to take lessons from the police behaviour at Orgreave. Nothing to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 03:27 AM

Hmmmm The latest photos I've seen of Trump appear to show him to be in shock. I have never seen more graphic pictures of fear on a face than, maybe, on a mugshot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 03:51 AM

The latest photos I've seen of Trump appear to show him to be in shock.

I've not seen the photos, but, well, he wanted Brexit +++. That seems to be the standard response of the leaders to winning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 03:56 AM

Latest Picture.......No Fear!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 09:10 PM

Yep- I've got it now: Mr. Trump is meek and afraid when he is in the presences of those he recognizes as his betters but hail, fellow, well met among those types he has always known.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 09:30 PM

December 19, baby! There is still hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 06:40 AM

"Latest Picture.......No Fear!"
Wonderful - perhaps they'll pass on their disease to the other and both die
Luvvly-jubbly


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 09:22 AM

" ....jail Clinton ..."    Yes, agreed he did say that .   Do you think he should follow through with that ?   Thought not !   On the one hand he is a liar, and the other intransigent ......fact is , you lot got it in for him whatever. And no I do not condone the stupid and immoral stuff he's said in the past. Neither do I condone those who have taken his win to be an excuse for their inherent racism being displayed. You don't like what he said he would do , but instead of being encouraged that he is open to discussion and adaption you paint him in the worst possible light , and prejudge his performance enforce he officially begins . Oh , and did I hear right that he won't be drawing the huge salary that goes with the job ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 09:44 AM

pete, you're getting increasingly irrational. On the one hand you say Trump is a proven serial liar and on the other you say we should believe what he says. What point, if any- are you trying to make.

(small)(p.s.-pete the piece of garbage is a billionaire. To him the President's salary is chump change. He probably spends more on toilet paper or hair cream.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 11:08 AM

Just to clarify ....on the one hand he will be CALLED a liar...    And whether we should believe what he says ( being as he is a politician as well as business man now!) was not the point I was making . He is showing distinct signs of being open to discussion as to how his pledges will be implemented, and willing to backtrack on policy accordingly. And to the shred it of Obama and Clinton they want to help make it work , as opposed to many here , and on the streets determined to oppose the new administration , by fair means or foul .


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 11:36 AM

No, pete, he is in fact a DOCUMENTED pathological serial liar of long standing. Fact.

And/or - was he lying then, or is he lying now?

It is the new admionistration that is foul and becomming more foul by the day as he adds white supremecists, racists & other undesirables to his inner circle of advisors & cabinet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 11:40 AM

Trump and hillary are fair game guys. Please don't beat up mudcat people. Ake, Pete everyone else here didn't make the mess. Americans did and will have to live with it


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 11:58 AM

Dan, I'm not "beating up" on pete or Ake (if your comment was directed at me)- just pointing out their innacuracies and illogical statements.

And I sure as sh*t didn't make the Trumpist mess!!   ;>)


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 01:11 PM

Greg couldn't "beat" his way out of a wet paper bag! :0)

I'm much more frightened of old Danny Boy!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 01:52 PM

If Palin becomes sec of the interior, I wonder how long it will take for our national parks to be strip mines


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 02:46 PM

"He is showing distinct signs of being open to discussion as to how his pledges will be implemented,"
Are you seriously suggesting that those who voted for him are "open to discussion"?
He was elected on a ticket of evil and the voters bought it.
It's not Trump we have to be worried about - he will be controlled by those who control such things for their own interests.
The possibility is that the totally unprecedented protests turn into something -else - a fight between 'good and evil' perhaps?
Don't know how 'good' the protesters are, but Trump was elected on a t5icket of pure evil and the responses from LePen, The Klan, the European radical right - and our own Nigel Farage are proof enough, if any is needed.
A strange response here - "It's OK because he's not going to do what he promised to do"- you couldn't make it up!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 02:57 PM

100!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 04:51 PM

our national parks to be strip mines

HEY!! Youse gortta problem wid dat??? Take it up wid Giuliani!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 01:57 AM

Pete from ss: "Oh , and did I hear right that he won't be drawing the huge salary that goes with the job ?"

Pete, I'll make you - and anyone else - a bet: Donald Trump WILL draw the salary. No matter what he says now.

As for waiting and giving him a chance to see what he will do in the office of the Presidency- OK, we can do that- we really don't have a choice.

HOWEVER. Judging by the choices for the staff that he has already announced, there is little reason to hope.

Stephen Bannon? REALLY??


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 02:59 AM

No ebbie , I won't bet on it. You might be right , but as Greg says he is already a billionaire so he might keep that promise. I say again I think he was the best of the two , not the best that could be. And of course, people differ on what constitutes good and bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 03:19 AM

I can't even express how much I disagree.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 03:30 AM

"but as Greg says he is already a billionaire so he might keep that promise. "
What a basis to elect a President - has "The Land of the Free" really sunk as low as to have elected a fascist who advocates grabbing womens' genitals when the mood takes you because "he might keep his promise".
Nice to know the world's in a safe pair of hands "when they're not busy doing other things"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Stu
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 06:18 AM

"And of course, people differ on what constitutes good and bad."

Here are things I think are bad that Trump doesn't:

❌ Misogyny
❌ Xenophobia
❌ Mocking the Disabled
❌ Appointing anti-semites and white supremacists as key advisors
❌ Asking what the point of having nukes is if you don't use them
❌ Grabbing women "by the pussy" and other forms of sexual assault
❌ Demonising entire sections of society based on their ethnicity
❌ Climate Change denial that will condemn millions to death and suffering
❌ Being a billionaire and saying you identify with poor people when you have zero idea what it's like to be poor
❌ Being a liar
❌ The oppression of women by denying them choice
❌ Having no taste in interior decor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 07:48 AM

Be fair, Stu. Apart from all that, he's OK!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 08:17 AM

"Here are things..."
You forgot the appalling hairstyle Stu
Still chuckling about the one line letter in the Irish Times - "We shall overcomb"
Brightened up a very depressing week no end.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 03:16 PM

people differ on what constitutes good and bad.

True enough, Pete.

And according to you, good Christian that you are, a lying, racist, white-supremecist, Islamaphobic, misogynist, sexual predator, corrupt, tax-evading swindler, multiple divorceé and all around despicable excuse for a human being constitutes "good".

Jesus wept.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 04:56 PM

In a heaven can wait scenario or as in the movie Selfless I suppose I would gladly become Trump. Except for being older thing I would like it. To be an evil genius without a conscience and grab me some pussy while lying about some grandiose thing about myself would be quite a change. Learning about all things including need to know could be fun. I could order Bannon to fire some schlub and appoint some ass hole I would fire the next month, maybe with extreme prejudice. I could use prejudice to fire that grease ball ginnie Giuliani. Maybe the sex with my daughter thing is OK. Jews, spics and uppidy blacks won't see the purge coming. No burdensome empathy, no guilt. Trump for a month and if that's not long enough, king for life. psssss its good to be the king. Ahh revenge makes me feel so warm and horny.

oh to be good luck Trump for a month, what a life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 05:26 PM

Giulaini for seç of state. Oh for fuck sake, where is my jack daniels bottle


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 05:44 PM

Only the beginning, Dan, only the beginning. Better lay in a couple of cases.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 09:01 PM

Anyone have any
Extra weed also


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 05:11 AM

Never mind chaps, I know it doesn't sound much but WW3 has just been averted......every cloud has a silver lining.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 08:42 AM

For some weed try some Rocky mountain stream fishing. At the restaurants its legal to smoke weed.

I thought of a story how a Trump White House cook cleverly uses "edibles" to mellow out the Donald and family, hillarlity ensues when Hillary...


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