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Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate

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Dave Hanson 13 Oct 16 - 09:45 AM
Johnny J 13 Oct 16 - 09:31 AM
Jack Campin 13 Oct 16 - 09:23 AM
Steve Shaw 13 Oct 16 - 09:19 AM
Johnny J 13 Oct 16 - 09:16 AM
alanabit 13 Oct 16 - 09:08 AM
GUEST,HiLo 13 Oct 16 - 09:04 AM
Roger the Skiffler 13 Oct 16 - 08:58 AM
Johnny J 13 Oct 16 - 08:43 AM
Steve Shaw 13 Oct 16 - 08:28 AM
voyager 13 Oct 16 - 07:40 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 13 Oct 16 - 07:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 09:45 AM

Johnny J. it's called the 'folk process ' it's always happened and it always will.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: Johnny J
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 09:31 AM

Plenty such sessions in Midlothian ;))


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 09:23 AM

If Tom Lehrer wanted another reason why satire was superfluous he just got it...

Maybe I'll drop in to a Dylan-themed singaround and read a chapter of Jose Saramago.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 09:19 AM

He borrowed quite a bit from Nic Jones, didn't he, forgetting to mention it...


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: Johnny J
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 09:16 AM

I'm not saying I don't like him. I do but it can't be denied that he "borrowed" several phrases and melodies over the years.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: alanabit
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 09:08 AM

Well if that was the case, Woody Guthrie would have been a good candidate for it too! Certainly both Dylan and Guthrie took ideas and even lines and tunes from other sources. The argument on their behalf is that they enhanced those ideas and made something more of them. Woody Guthrie saw this as an inevitable part of the folk process.
The case for the significance of Dylan's work rests more on the way he tackled several genres of American song and was able to extend the range of what could be achieved in them. In particular, I can think of no artist before him, who attempted the complex psychological profiles which you get in songs like "Ballad of a Thin Man",or "It's Alright Ma, I'm Only Bleeding". You don't have to like him to recognise that he was artistically very ambitious.
Still, I had better shut up now. Little Hawk will be around at any moment - and he probably has the drop on most Dylanologists around here!


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 09:04 AM

Well, this is a surprise. I have been a lifelong fan of Dylan, I admire his stance on many issues , I love his lyrics and I think he has been a pivotal figure in music.Having said that, if I was going to give a literature prize to a musician, I would give it to Leonard Cohen, or Joni Mitchell perhaps.
But I have no great problem with Bob Dylan getting it, especially when I remind myself of some of the mediocre writers who have been awarded the honour.So, good on Bob.
As for the accusation of plagiarism, utter nonsense !


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 08:58 AM

The times certainly are a-changin'. I thought I'd get that in before the press do!

RtS


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: Johnny J
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 08:43 AM

Is there a Nobel Prize for Plagiarism?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 08:28 AM

I'll go halfway with you, Peter, and agree that it was a surprise. 😉


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: voyager
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 07:40 AM

Huzzah for Mr. Tambourine Man, Nobel Laureate, Bob Dylan -

Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind
Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves
The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves
Let me forget about today until tomorrow

Knock, Knock, Knockin on Nobel's Door (2013 NY Times)

voyager


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Subject: Bob Dylan : Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 07:24 AM

A surprise but deserved win of the Nobel prize for literature.

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