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Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate

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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 06:48 PM

My lycopene intake has been huge these last few days, nock. This Mediterranean diet I'm on (and I don't ignore the Negroamaro and the Primitivo and the Nero d'Avola) is damn good for me, though perhaps with a little too much mozzarella. Take a ripe avocado and slice it. Chop up half a pound of the tastiest tomatoes you can find. Slice up a nice big ball of mozzarella. Layer these ingredients informally in a bowl and sprinkle with salt. Tear up some fresh basil over the lot and sprinkle everything with a good dose of the finest olive oil you have. Enjoy with a bit of fresh crusty bread and a bottle of Negroamaro. Tricolore salad with all the colours of the Italian flag. Put on your favourite Dylan album. You'll live forever, and even Dylan fanatics will forgive me once you've eaten this. If it really has to be tomato soup, it has to be pappa di pomodoro for me, cucina povera at its finest. Pick the bones out of that lot, non-Italian speaking Bob fans.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 06:30 PM

And, by the way, good art doesn't spoonfeed. It gives you work to do. But it gives you that work to do by showing it to you, not by laying linguistic obstacles in your path. Good art confronts and challenges you but it doesn't obstruct. Dick, with whom I disagree on a good few things, has set you a challenge that you just can't meet, that just makes you cross instead. Simple but effective. Giving you Bob's literature and asking you to explain. But all you can say is that it gives you feelings. No mention of edification through enlightenment. He's done a bloody good job in this thread, has Dick. Kudos, Dick, but I promise to fall out with you again next week. 😂


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,nock
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 06:30 PM

pauperback will you please feed steve some tomato soup


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 06:11 PM

Well try applying that to other forms of art. It doesn't wash. Caravaggio reached out to you and grabbed you by the lapels. Shakespeare's masterly lyricism and humanity reaches out to people all over the world. Mozart had to make his operas funny, tuneful and riddled with human imperfections and dubious morality to get the crowds in, and his good taste and peerless understanding of his musical heritage turned them into masterpieces that will live forever. Beethoven was totally deaf by the time he wrote his greatest works, and each and every one of them pulls you right into his enforced private world. He wanted you in. John Betjeman's poems, apparently slight as they are, set out to crystallise for us the quirkiness of unpretentious middle England. They all succeeded as artists because they reached out. That's the pattern. An artist isn't an artist unless his priority is to communicate. You don't communicate by using our beautiful language to convolute words into disjointed forms that make it more difficult for people to cut through. If you're not crystallising ideas for people that they find hard to crystallise for themselves, you're failing as an artist. Dylan is offhand, dour, rude and uncommunicative. He's actually made those traits his trademark. He doesn't seem to care about his words and you'll just have to help yourself. He doesn't value them and, going from what he's said, he even recoils from them. There is little sign of any evolution of his art in forty years. But people stick with him because he's a cult. His supporters will defend him to the hilt, and one of those means of defence is to make him exclusive, rather mystical, and to tell demurrers that they "don't get it." The emperor may not quite be naked, but a good few threadbare patches are showing. In times to come, it could well be that discussion of the peculiarity of his cult status will outlive discussion of his artistic legacy.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 05:21 PM

I'm not going to go into particulars.
If I explain (I'm saying this again, but maybe it will be clearer this time), I'll be explaining what it means to ME, and it won't make sense to you a it won't be relevant.
The poems/songs are (in my opinion) intended to evoke feelings. One of my favorite songs really doesn't make any sense if you try to analyze it. I first heard it on the radio while driving. The words came fast enough to register, but they only evoked images, and were gone, and it wasn't possible to linger long enough to nail down concrete meanings. You had no choice but to let the words wash over you and just feel.

So when I say someone "doesn't get it", what I mean isn't that they don't understand the words or their meaning, but they don't understand how to listen to that provocative vagueness and make sense of it. Usually that happens because the person simply doesn't like it. They may like things that have only one single indisputable meaning. I'm guessing that's what Dick prefers, maybe Jim and other folks who don't like Dylan. Maybe they resent having to interpret, to fill in the blanks. I like the blanks.

If you want me to explain how my brain works, and why Dylan's songs have meaning for me when they don't have any for you, well, I'm not stupid enough to try.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Andy7
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 04:02 PM

Something no one has yet asked, is why Bob has not awarded the Nobel Committee a Dylan Prize in return.

How ungracious can you get? ;-)


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 03:49 PM

Please carry on I'm back to the rafters


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 03:48 PM

Sorry, I was a little cross )+:


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 03:45 PM

You're making yourself about as clear as the average Dylan song...


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 03:27 PM

And a another thing, you suck, so there!


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 03:24 PM

Get over it. Your making this poor guy sound like some sort of slouch.
There's much more to this then is apparent.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 03:20 PM

Apparently not. Only G_d knows (and apparently The Nobel Committee)


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 03:08 PM

Words come from the heart - does any man know your heart?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 02:25 PM

Exactly, Steve. You and I did o level English lit, We were taught to analyse and understand what Authors of literature were trying to tell us. No teacher of any merit would just say you just do not get it.
no, one on this forum, has yet tried to explain What Dylan is trying to tell us in the 3 examples I have previously quoted, its not unreasonable to assume they do not understand it either you just dont get it, is a cop out


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 02:10 PM

My first line should have said "not getting it."


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 02:07 PM

It's this rather strange concept of "getting it" that I don't get. 😉 It implies some kind of lack. Well in my case (and, whilst not wishing to blow my own trumpet, I don't think I'm an illiterate sort of chap), I've listened to a lot of his stuff, especially in the earlier years when my best mate at school shoved Dylan down my throat somewhat, and came to the conclusion that much of his literary output is somewhat unconnected, rambling and incoherent, too frequently with no real effort to communicate but leaving us with a jumbled mess of words to try to sort out, the literary equivalent of Tracey Emin's unmade bed. That doesn't preclude the possibility that there might be some merit in some of it, but what he does isn't what artists do. Perhaps "not getting it" means not having the patience to engage with someone who doesn't seem to be that bothered about anyone else, who puts little value on the concept of transaction.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Will Fly
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 01:50 PM

You're thrashing a dead horse, Dick.

Imagine a situation where there are three parallel committees for the Man Booker Prize for Literature - each committee made up of 5 judges - all simultaneously sitting and discussing the same shortlist. I guess it would be unlikely that all three committees would choose the same winner - or perhaps they would - or perhaps two would choose the same one - or perhaps all three would choose a different winner.

All of which is a roundabout way of saying that none of the judges at a competition has perfect judgement, or indeed any judgement that necessarily matches another's. Furthermore, the relative merits or demerits of any of the offerings are exactly that - relative.

So, as a judge of poetic literature, you find Dylan lacking in merit; others here do not find him lacking in merit. But the explanation of why will never come to a resolution. Just accept that you have your opinion, which is yours to hold - why demand that anyone should try to change it for you.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Jack Campin
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 01:33 PM

Dylan is behaving in the same way you'd expect Donald Trump to if he got the Peace Prize.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 01:27 PM

should read it certainly does NOT give us any insight into Dylans 3 efforts that i have previously mentioned.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 01:27 PM

...or to quote myself from above, which you didn't see:
Poetry, not songs, or at least not the sort Dick likes, inspire thoughts and feelings in those who hear it. You can't explain what it means, when it means something different to everyone who hears it. They will never get it, then will attempt to make you feel stupid because of their lack of understanding. I won't own someone else's cluelessness, especially when it's because I don't think they really want to understand.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 01:25 PM

"Keb, go into a supermarket of your choice. Ask the first 20 people you meet if they like Dylan. My guess is you'll get mostly "yes" or "no" answers. Then ask them if they like MacColl. You'll probably get a lot of "who!?" responses."
interesting, since when have supermarkets been the places where decisions are made on anything other than what groceries to buy.
logially, Keb, go into a Library of your choice.Ask the the first 20 people you meet if they like white slice bread my guess is youll probably mostly yes or no answers. Then ask them if they like CHIA SEEDS.Youll probably get a lot of "what is that" responses.
Because someone is a well known performer proves nothing, it certainly gives us any insight into Dylans 3 efforts that i have previously mentioned.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 01:20 PM

Dick, I'm fine with you not understanding it.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 12:29 PM

JERI,. Please explain what dylan means in farewell angelina, ballad in plain d and wiggle,
the lonesome death of hattie carroll is a good subject, its clear what he means but it in my opinion not good poetry.
Please enlighten me.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 12:02 PM

President Obama said in a Rolling Stone interview:
Here's what I love about Dylan: He was exactly as you'd expect he would be. He wouldn't come to the rehearsal; usually, all these guys are practicing before the set in the evening. He didn't want to take a picture with me; usually all the talent is dying to take a picture with me and Michelle before the show, but he didn't show up to that. He came in and played "The Times They Are A-Changin'." A beautiful rendition. The guy is so steeped in this stuff that he can just come up with some new arrangement, and the song sounds completely different. Finishes the song, steps off the stage — I'm sitting right in the front row — comes up, shakes my hand, sort of tips his head, gives me just a little grin, and then leaves. And that was it — then he left. That was our only interaction with him. And I thought: That's how you want Bob Dylan, right? You don't want him to be all cheesin' and grinnin' with you. You want him to be a little skeptical about the whole enterprise. So that was a real treat.
My opinion is that once someone starts to do what they do for the awards, they're not who everybody wanted to see. Some awards, maybe most, are hoops that are held up for the "honoree" to jump through. It's like paying somebody in advance for something you want from them, when they may not want to give it. If you're giving somebody something because you expect something from them, it's not an award, it's something else. Something that involves a little bit of domination.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Will Fly
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 10:41 AM

Apparently a Nobel Foundation spokesperson has called Dylan "impolite and arrogant" for not acknowledging the Nobel Prize for Literature.

The odd thing is that, according to the Nobel rules, you cannot actually refuse the prize if you're chosen for it - you become a Laureate whether you like it or not! (If you choose not to make the relevant speech/concert/blah within 6 months of being awarded the Laureate, then you don't get the cash that comes with the the award.)

But you can't refuse the Laureateship. If they say you're a Laureate, then you are one, and nothing in the world can alter that fact. How arrogant of the Nobel Foundation is that?

I note that no-one in the thread has yet queried the point of any awards like the Nobel Prize, the Man Booker Prize, etc. - all a waste of space in my humble opinion. The awarding of a prize doesn't make the object or point of that prize any worse or better for getting it. In Dylan's case, his lyrics are what they are - (I know very little about them and care less) - and will not be a whit different whether he's a prizewinner or not. If you're a fan - enjoy them. If not, you won't be bothered anyway.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 10:38 AM

So apparently GSS doesn't "get it" and he wants us all to know that.

Poetry, not songs, or at least not the sort Dick likes, inspire thoughts and feelings in those who hear it. You can't explain what it means, when it means something different to everyone who hears it. They will never get it, then will attempt to make you feel stupid because of their lack of understanding. I won't own someone else's cluelessness, especially when it's because I don't think they really want to understand.

Keb, go into a supermarket of your choice. Ask the first 20 people you meet if they like Dylan. My guess is you'll get mostly "yes" or "no" answers. Then ask them if they like MacColl. You'll probably get a lot of "who!?" responses.

Then fly to Mexico, or Bolivia, or South Korea, and do the same experiment. I know who MacColl is. I like his music. I just don't think it's a valid comparison.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 10:09 AM

'S all right, Jim. He was just digging for a word that rhymes with his nickname when he came up with "rancor." 😉


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 08:26 AM

mean while here in my opinion is a poem of note, adersved winner of the prize
Between my finger and my thumb
The squat pen rests; snug as a gun.

Under my window, a clean rasping sound
When the spade sinks into gravelly ground:
My father, digging. I look down

Till his straining rump among the flowerbeds
Bends low, comes up twenty years away
Stooping in rhythm through potato drills
Where he was digging.

The coarse boot nestled on the lug, the shaft
Against the inside knee was levered firmly.
He rooted out tall tops, buried the bright edge deep
To scatter new potatoes that we picked,
Loving their cool hardness in our hands.

By God, the old man could handle a spade.
Just like his old man.

My grandfather cut more turf in a day
Than any other man on Toner's bog.
Once I carried him milk in a bottle
Corked sloppily with paper. He straightened up
To drink it, then fell to right away
Nicking and slicing neatly, heaving sods
Over his shoulder, going down and down
For the good turf. Digging.

The cold smell of potato mould, the squelch and slap
Of soggy peat, the curt cuts of an edge
Through living roots awaken in my head.
But I've no spade to follow men like them.

Between my finger and my thumb
The squat pen rests.
I'll dig with it.
IN MY OPINION, Bob Dylan has not written anything that compares with this, Seamus Justin Heaney was an Irish poet, playwright, translator and lecturer, and the recipient of the 1995 Nobel Prize in Literature.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 08:18 AM

Wonder why people spend so much time praising the work of somebody who has admitted it is meaningless crap.
"Shaw brings his rancor to yet another thread"
On second thoughts - no I don't, taking all into consideration
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: bobad
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 07:35 AM

Shaw brings his rancor to yet another thread.......idiot wind.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 07:16 AM

Well, three people in this thread, including you, have resorted to the lame, dismal accusation that demurrers "don't get it." You might be amazed to discover just how much art, literature, music and other diverse culture some of us "get." It isn't much of a debate on that level, though, is it? And it would be nice to not be told to "grow up" by someone with that particular bee in his bonnet, frankly. Have another last word then drop it, HiLo.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 06:13 AM

Grow up for gods sake. People disagree with, get over it,


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 06:09 AM

That's just nonsense from start to finish, except where you surmise that I think his work is shallow, though I don't think it all is, not by a long chalk. To me, he's a pop singer who has written some good songs, mostly a very long time ago, a few jewels in a rather large crock of shite. The older I get the less I tend to see things in black and white. I'm sorry you feel so threatened. I'm just not keen to be constantly told that I "don't get it" by Dylan in-crowders who don't share my scepticism, you included, unfortunately. Just biting back ever so gently, that's all.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 05:57 AM

You clearly have not read the entire thread. I am a fan of Dylan's work, he is not my hero , he is simply one of many songwriters I admire .if you dislike him or think his work shallow, fine but to suggest that we are all uncritical afficianados or perhaps we are unfamiliar with real literatur is not a dangerous assumption, it is an ill informed and rather pompous one .


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 05:30 AM

Well if you must resort to such desperate slights, who am I to stop you. You are clearly working on the assumption that I'm having a pop at Bob's oeuvre not having experienced any of it. A dangerous assumption, conceivably born of bitterness and insecurity because your hero's work is being questioned and you're not confident that there's no substance in the criticism. A bit like an atheist confronting a God-squadder, eh? That's what having heroes does for you. My hero is Beethoven. Shoot.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 12:40 AM

Your list is an interesting one Jack ! Steve , you are doing your specialty again, banging on about things you clearly know. Little about . Say good night to the people Gracie.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 07:53 PM

And many more worthies even than those. I often disagree with Dick, but his tactic of bombarding us with Dylan's utter ridiculousness in this thread has been a master stroke. Dick has forced Bob's rather uncritical aficionados to resort to the highly-predictable moan that we non-members of the in-crowd "don't get it." Well, if that's what fifty years of Bob have reduced you to, maybe you should think about studying some real literature instead!


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Jack Campin
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 07:29 PM

If you get nothing out of it, perhaps it is not the fault of the write, but the impatience of the reader.

Or the reader being better read than any Dylan fan, so they know the literary sources he was crudely ripping off (i.e. large chunks of the mid-century Anglophone modernist poetic tradition).

If you've got Ezra Pound, Edith Sitwell, George Barker, Louis MacNeice, Kathleen Raine, Allen Ginsberg and Dylan Thomas to compare him with, the derivativeness of Dylan's stuff is hard to put up with.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 06:51 PM

No Steve! It isn,t suffering from strain at all. I suspect that you have not listened to a lot of Dylan. people who appreciate him are not "sycophants", they just see his lyrics in different way.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 05:50 PM

Shakespeare's fist might have lost him his head.
Speaking truth to power, a dangerous occupation.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 05:41 PM

Well, HiLo, it took a clear-headed little boy to reveal to the emperor's sycophants that the great man was actually naked. Your valiant explanation of Dylan's "poetry" is suffering from strain.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 05:21 PM

Well, poetry is often about images. If you don't get that.. fine but if you don't understand it,that does not diminish the imagery of it, it just means you don't get it. To accuse those who do "get" it of shallowness , is well...pompous, or worse. Just my thoughts.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 05:11 PM

GSS "...pseudish nonsense ...."
sounds like that to me too
but there are some attempts at explanations here
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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 04:07 PM

Good soldier - maybe Mr Dylan was only taking us back to simpler times with The Mighty Kong swatting at aeroplanes with machine guns [the "Ma Deuce" M2 Browning perhaps] then 1964's B52s and Doomsday Clocks.

Brilliant song


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 03:59 PM

There's nothing to explain, Dick. There's nothing deep going on. There isn't actually the NEED for anything deep to be going on. It's pop music fer chrissake. Let them see deepness where there is none, the poor deluded souls. Is there no limit to the fundamental depth of these people's shallowness?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 03:32 PM

There is no PROBLEM, it is pseudish nonsense , you cannot explain what you do not understand, if you do understand this waffle please explain it, what is king kong doing for feck sake in this song, this is just a hoax.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 03:03 PM

Goodbye Angelina-

Farewell Angelina
The bells of the crown
Are being stolen by bandits
I must follow the sound
The triangle tingles




Jester's crown replaced by the Early Warning System on Mormond Hill [being the original lyric from "Farewell to Tarwathie"]?

www.secretscotland.org.uk/index.php/Secrets/MormondHill

www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=40025


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 02:40 PM

Thanks, mrrzy, for the link to the Guardian update. Of course, now the Dylan website has removed the reference to winning the Nobel Prize for Literature.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: bobad
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 02:16 PM

My previous comment directed at Shaw, of course, not HiLo.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: bobad
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 02:13 PM

My goodness, the know-it-all Brit doesn't recognize someone taking the piss! Har, har that's a larf and a harf.


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