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Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate

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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,Knockroe
Date: 11 Oct 19 - 07:20 AM

Some of you still don't get it:

Bob achieved Nobel Prize --

"For having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition"


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 Oct 19 - 01:37 PM

Bob Dylan wrote lyrics, not poetry. Lyrics were meant to be sung period.
Poetry to be read, intoned but not sung. Can you imagine any poet writing the words "Oh What A Beautiful Morning"? They'd be laughed at. Or "I Could Have Danced All Night". Yet these songs defined musical theater writing for years because they were songs, not poetry.

As to Nobel, I'm skeptical of its value. Kissinger and Obama given the Peace Prize?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 19 - 10:26 AM

Nope. Olga Tokarczuk and Peter Handke win Nobel Prize for Literature for 2018 and 2019.

That 2018 prize is kind of snakebit.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 10 Oct 19 - 06:02 AM

I think it will go to Margaret Atwood for literature.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Oct 19 - 01:58 AM

Anybody watching the new Nobels come out? I refreshed this thread because BOB DYLAN WON THE NOBEL IN LITERATURE 3 years ago...


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 01:21 PM

Well good on him, well deserved.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 01:08 PM

Well, he is going to fetch it, finally...


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Dec 16 - 08:03 PM

I do not need that,because there are no deeper meanings to wiggle wiggle or ballad of plain d, his good songs like masters of war need no explaining either.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: bobad
Date: 30 Dec 16 - 08:00 AM

Cambridge University will be offering a course to study Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen...............what, no Ewan MacColl, it's an outrage.

GSS, here's your opportunity to uncover the deeper meanings behind his lyrics that elude you.

Changing Times


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 02:57 PM

At least with Cliff, it was clear, he was going on a summer holiday, true its banal crap. wheras this is an intellectual masterpiece ,very deep and philisophical
Ballad Of A Thin Man
Bob Dylan
You walk into the room with your pencil in your hand
You see somebody naked and you say, "Who is that man?"
You try so hard but you don't understand
Just what you will say when you get home
Because something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?
You raise up your head and you ask, "Is this where it is?"
And somebody points to you and says, "It's his"
And you say, "What's mine?" and somebody else says, "Well, what is?"
And you say, "Oh my God, am I here all alone?"
But something is happening and you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?
You hand in your ticket and you go watch the geek
Who immediately walks up to you when he hears you speak
And says, "How does it feel to be such a freak?"
And you say, "Impossible!" as he hands you a bone
And something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?
You have many contacts among the lumberjacks
To get you facts when someone attacks your imagination
But nobody has any respect, anyway they already expect you to all give a check
To tax-deductible charity organizations
Ah, you've been with the professors and they've all liked your looks
With great lawyers you have discussed lepers and crooks
You've been through all of F. Scott Fitzgerald's books
You're very well-read, it's well-known
But something is happening here and you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?
Well, the sword swallower, he comes up to you and then he kneels
He crosses himself and then he clicks his high heels
And without further notice, he asks you how it feels
And he says, "Here is your throat back, thanks for the loan"
And you know something is happening but you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?
Now, you see this one-eyed midget shouting the word "Now"
And you say, "For what reason?" and he says, "How"
And you say, "What does this mean?" and he screams back, "You're a cow!
Give me some milk or else go home"
And you know something's happening but you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?
Well, you walk into the room like a camel, and then you frown
You put your eyes in your pocket and your nose on the ground
There ought to be a law against you comin' around
You should be made to wear earphones
'Cause something is happening and you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?
Songwriters: Bob Dylan


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 01:45 PM

"Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Gardham - PM
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 05:24 PM

<<>>

So Dylan didn't communicate? I wonder what those millions of people who went to concerts and bought the records were getting out of it then?"      hero worship? pseudish gibberish?
what about the millions of people who attended Cliff Richard concerts?they got enjoyment out of listening to Banal lyrics, and hero worshipping mr squeaky clean, Cliff,Cliff communicated such gems as were all going on a summer holiday
We're all going on a summer holiday
No more working for a week or two.
Fun and laughter on our summer holiday,
No more worries for me or you,
For a week or two.
We're going where the sun shines brightly
We're going where the sea is blue.
We've all seen it on the movies,
Now let's see if it's true.
Everybody has a summer holiday
Doin' things they always wanted to
So we're going on a summer holiday,
To make our dreams come true
For me and you.
For me and you
marginally better than wiggle wiggle


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 09:55 PM

No, you certainly can't


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 08:52 PM

You can't fool all the people all the time!


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 08:45 PM

Oops, the link to the Dan Bern song is not right, this should get you there:

"Talkin Woody, Bob, Bruce and Dan Blues,"


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,rewster
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 08:42 PM

he fooled us all


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 08:41 PM

Perfect honesty online involves eschewing anonymity. Not wishing to impugn yours, but you could aspire harder.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 08:28 PM

I am not goading you at all MrShaw, I am simply asking a perfectly honest question.. What in your reading of Joyce led you to make your observations . Good on you for taking the high road, admirable I am sure!. I am not an aficionado of Joyce, I enjoy him, nothing more or less .
In any case, I will ask no further, ,,


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 07:49 PM

I'm glad you enjoy Joyce. You can goad me 'til the cows come home but you are unjustified in assuming that I either have or have not read Joyce. That is pretty obvious from all the posts I've made since the matter was first raised. Your pressing on this matter looks suspicious. I'll take the high road and assume that you are such an aficionado of Joyce that you're dying to share. I used to think that about Beethoven. These days I'm content to indulge without drawing people in.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 07:06 PM

If you comment on the intentions of an author it is not unreasonable to assume you have read that author. My anonymity does not negate the question, does it.
In any case, you have denigrated a lot of people who enjoy Bob Dylan, your prerogative... I am simply asking how you draw these conclusion about Joyce. I do read jamesJoyce, so I am simply asking how your reading of him brought you to the opinions you express. Not complicated, just a point for discussion.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 06:04 PM

Time out for a musical interlude. This is a humourous Dylan parody that also incorporates Woody Guthrie and Bruce Springsteen, performed by Dan Bern. I think you'll enjoy it.

"Talkin Woody, Bob, Bruce and Dan Blues,"


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 05:38 PM

A bit like religion then!


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 05:24 PM

<<>>

So Dylan didn't communicate? I wonder what those millions of people who went to concerts and bought the records were getting out of it then?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 03:40 PM

There is notthing I've said that would indicate whether I've read it or not. Not at all keen on sparring with anonymous guests. I battled for months here against a troll who was operating under two identities. Sadly, he's still around but at least he is semi-outed. Unless he's you. See what I mean? Either reveal yourself or talk to someone else. Free country. Over and out.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 01:38 PM

No, I do not have an agenda. I am being anonymous because the rules here allow me to be so. I know your name is Dick Miles, but I don't know what your point is ..do you ? I have simply asked Steve how he came to comment on James Joyce..nothing more, simple question... yes ?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 01:07 PM

Who are you? why be anonymous? do you have an agenda,my name is Dick Miles, what is your name?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 12:53 PM

I guess I assumed that if you were commenting on Joyce, you would have read him. As for not knowing who I am, I don't see that it matters as I have asked a fairly reasonable question. But, as you will.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 11:46 AM

On what are you basing your assumption that I've read him, by the way? And if I don't know who you are I'm not too keen to chat to you. I've been like that on forums for years, you know.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 09:43 AM

So, did you find Joyce obscure in any way, did your reading of him require any moments of stepping back and thinking about his method f communication?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 09:33 AM

Whether he challenges or confronts is just playing with words. Both are means of communication. Which is my point.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 05:57 AM

On the strength of Dylans literary gems that i have previously posted. might i suggest it goes to Cumberland Clark[ theDorsetMcGonagle] instead, for this poetic jewel which is on the same level as wiggle wiggle.
'If you go to the Boscombe Arcade
No excitement you'll meet I'm afraid.
You won't find the place is a tax on your strength
Four hundred and forty three feet is its length.
You walk to and fro with a dignified air:
Then you walk fro and to, or you sit on a chair;
And there isn't much else you can do when you're there.'
('Boscombe Arcade')


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 05:38 AM

So when you read Joyce Steve, what did you think he was doing? Challenging you or confronting you, or art they the same thing.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 05:17 AM

I could say "don't bother reading "em at all," but then I know what would happen - you'd remind me of that ould Guinness ad that said "I've never tried it and I don't like it!"

If an artist's work isn't communicating, or at least not without a gargantuan effort on the recipient's part, how is the confrontation between artist and layperson going to be achieved? How does anyone know that it's art? Is it really supposed to be reserved for the ultra-refined aficionado?   By the way, I never said that art should be "easy," or even MADE easy, just that there has to be a transaction involved. Fine by me if the artist manages it by by accident. What I'm against is deliberate obstacle-making. That just makes me suspect that the barrier is betraying a hidden emptiness behind the facade. Was Joyce doing that, or was he turning his book into a greater work of art by giving us a struggle? Do we over-interpret? We could argue all day about Joyce but we don't need to be spending all that time on a songsmith who deals largely in near-doggerel. Wouldn't mind betting that he'd agree with that himself.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Will Fly
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 04:53 AM

Art with a Purpose, eh?

I agree with much of what you say, Steve S - with one caveat. I do think that the creative impulse and purpose from within an artist can't always be explained, even by the artist him/herself, and there might not be a "goal" as such.

I don't think artists are always motivated by the desire to communicate, though they must be motivated to create, otherwise there wouldn't be any art. Whether they create for an audience or not is down to them, and I suppose you could say that, if it's not intended to be clear then it shouldn't be laid in front of the public. But that's a vexed question when, as we all know, one man's meat, etc...

I'm always reminded of "Ulysses" and "Finegan's Wake" when these debates arise. Read 'em and be enthralled? Read 'em and weep? Depends on your taste.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 03:44 AM

Art is about edification The true artist urgently wants to communicate and to enlighten.

Really?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 08:31 PM

"Or not in their minds at all." I'll get this right one of these decades. 😟


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 08:27 PM

Bugger. I meant Dave, not Steve.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 08:26 PM

Well, Steve, Dick may well be pissing you off with his postings of lyrics, but I'm quite enjoying them. The one you're defending so ardently is doggerel. You defeat your own argument when you suggest that Dick should go and investigate other sources in order to have the words explained to him. When I'm looking at a painting, or listening to a string quartet, or reading a poem, I don't expect to have to go to have it "explained" by somebody else who is, supposedly, a far lesser talent that the artist himself (otherwise he would have written it!). As long as my mind is open, I expect a confrontation with that work of art that is meaningful on some level to me there and then. As I refine my mind and gain experience, I might return to the work later and be enlightened on more levels. But the onus is on the artist to make that initial communication. Good art can edify on many different levels and good art is not created for an in-crowd or for "sophisticated" aficionados. When I say edify, I mean that it should enlighten, not confuse or turn people off. It's about drawing people in to notions that may have been inchoate in their minds, or. Or in their minds at all, but which the artist can untangle. Inane, meaningless ramblings uttered in a tortuous, sinuous voice have a big hill to climb.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 07:39 PM

HA HA HA HA HA


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 07:10 PM

"Should we then by the same token ask all those abstract artists who won prizes to explain their art?"

Yes we should. If it looks like bullshit it's down to them, if they want to retain our interest, to explain why it isn't. What is art if it doesn't reach out and grab you by the lapels? Art is about edification, not deliberate obfuscation. The true artist urgently wants to communicate and to enlighten. Enjoy your heaps of twisted metal, your piles of bricks, your dirty bed linen, your sliced sheep, your diamond-encrusted skulls, your "enigmatic" paint splodges, your bleeding heads and your piss flowers. Taking-the-piss flowers, more like.

"Ah, but you only THINK it's a just pile of bricks..." 😂😂😂


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 07:08 PM

i havent bleated on about anything, neither do i need a badly written song explained, i am illustrating some of his gems that got him the prize.
Steve Gardham perhaps you could explain your aggressive post to me. to respond to someone by saying they are bleating on about something is aggressive and flaming, if you said it to me in person in the real world i would tell you in four letter words


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 06:21 PM

GSS - If you want Ballad in Plain D explaining then I suggest that you read the early pages of the countless biographies written about Bob Dylan; its all in there.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 04:11 PM

Dick, you keep bleating on about wanting people to explain Dylan's lyrics. Should we then by the same token ask all those abstract artists who won prizes to explain their art?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: bobad
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 01:53 PM

Nothing quite like an infestation ABOVE the line of a guest-bobad axis...😂

Hey Shaw, Dylan wrote a song about you, it's called "Idiot Wind"


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 01:33 PM

Nothing quite like an infestation ABOVE the line of a guest-bobad axis...😂


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 12:09 PM

and anther corker
Ballad in Plain D
Bob Dylan
I once loved a girl, her skin it was bronze
With the innocence of a lamb, she was gentle like a fawn
I courted her proudly but now she is gone
Gone as the season she's taken
In a young summer's youth, I stole her away
From her mother and sister, though close did they stay
Each one of them suffering from the failures of their day
With strings of guilt they tried hard to guide us
Of the two sisters, I loved the young
With sensitive instincts, she was the creative one
The constant scrapegoat, she was easily undone
By the jealousy of others around her
For her parasite sister, I had no respect
Bound by her boredom, her pride to protect
Countless visions of the other she'd reflect
As a crutch for her scenes and her society
Myself, for what I did, I cannot be excused
The changes I was going through can't even be used
For the lies that I told her in hopes not to lose
The could-be dream-lover of my lifetime
With unseen consciousness, I possessed in my grip
A magnificent mantelpiece, though its heart being chipped
Noticing not that I'd already slipped
To the sin of love's false security
From silhouetted anger to manufactured peace
Answers of emptiness, voice vacancies
'Till the tombstones of damage read me no questions but, "Please
What's wrong and what's exactly the matter?"
And so it did happen like it could have been foreseen
The timeless explosion of fantasy's dream
At the peak of the night, the king and the queen
Tumbled all down into pieces
"The tragic figure!" her sister did shout
"Leave her alone, god damn you, get out!"
And I in my armor, turning about
And nailing her in the ruins of her pettiness
Beneath a bare light bulb the plaster did pound
Her sister and I in a screaming battleground
And she in between, the victim of sound
Soon shattered as a child to the shadows
All is gone, all is gone, admit it, take flight
I gagged in contradiction, tears blinding my sight
My mind it was mangled, I ran into the night
Leaving all of love's ashes behind me
The wind knocks my window, the room it is wet
The words to say I'm sorry, I haven't found yet
I think of her often and hope whoever she's met
Will be fully aware of how precious she is
Ah, my friends from the prison, they ask unto me
"How good, how good does it feel to be free?"
And I answer them most mysteriously
"Are birds free from the chains of the skyway?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 12:05 PM

And here is a wonderful poemWiggle, wiggle, wiggle all dressed in green
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle till the moon is blue
Wiggle till the moon sees you
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle in your boots and shoes
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, you got nothing to lose
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, like a swarm of bees
Wiggle on your hands and knees
Wiggle to the front, wiggle to the rear
Wiggle till you wiggle right out of here
Wiggle till it opens, wiggle till it shuts
Wiggle till it bites, wiggle till it cuts
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle, you can raise the dead
Wiggle till you're high, wiggle till you're higher
Wiggle till you vomit fire
Wiggle till it whispers, wiggle till it hums
Wiggle till it answers, wiggle till it comes
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like satin and silk
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a pail of milk
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, rattle and shake
Wiggle like a big fat snake


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 12:02 PM

I agree with Will.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 11:14 AM

"What a Stupid observation Bobad"...Will Fly.
Well, I seriously disagree with you Will Fly. Mr. Shaw has referred to Dylan fans in the following manner long before Bobad made the comment to which you objected.... Mr. Shaw suggested that Fans of Dylan were Self regarding ex hippies, an army of sycophants, self appointed in crowd, poor deluded souls, shallow, uncritical aficinanados and were not familiar with "real" literature. So I do not see that Bobad is the problem. Mr. Shaw, as per usual, came to argue not to discuss and it IS getting very tiresome !


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 10:29 AM

YooHoo! DYLAN! DYLAN! DYLAN! DYLAN!


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan: Nobel laureate
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 09:52 AM

Go, Bobad! That's from a Brit, a died in the wool traddie who never was a Dylan fan, but can appreciate his impact and talent.


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