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BS: It's time Bernie

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Subject: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 07:43 AM

I am at least as far left as most, even went to SDS meetings back in the day until they started planing to assail a police station! And I thank Mr. Sanders for energizing a vast number of mainly younger citizens to the political process, but the game is up. You have forced Ms. Clinton farther to the left than I would have thought possible, and good job! And I understood not quitting before California and their mass of delegates, but you lost by 400,00 votes. It's time to heal the wounds. We can not have that porcine bigot have any chance of becoming president! WE need you, Bernie, the party needs you, the Country needs you. Please, do the only right thing. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 07:58 AM

A real socialist(as opposed to a "liberal") never gives up.
Mrs Clinton is the voice of the corrupt, organised political establishment and must ALWAYS be opposed.

Her record in foreign affairs is much more frightening than any of Mr Trumps rhetoric......she is the last thing your country needs.

None of my business?......US foreign affairs are very much OUR business.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 08:27 AM

akenaton: I'm not the hugest Hil fan, and I agree it is the worlds concern, but dear lord, Trump is a monster, and we have but two choices and Bernie has no path. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 08:52 AM

I have been following the speeches of the presidential candidates carefully and I think Mrs Clinton is more hawkish on foreign affairs than even Mr Trump.....his views on immigration etc were obviously to consolidate his core vote a common political tactic......why do you reckon Mr Trump is a "monster"? He has advocated building bridges between world powers......he is not a leftover from the "Cold War" like most establishment politicians.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 09:38 AM

I don't know what happened to my post, so if this appears twice, that's why.
He want's to build a wall between Mexico and the US( to keep the horde out I guess. Allow So Korea and Japan to have nukes so they can "defend" then selves, and ban Arabic people from entering the country until we "know what's going on" Listen to this man, and can you really tell me Hilary is more frightening? I keep waiting to hear that Canada is building a wall to keep us out. Mike
ps, don't get me started on his opinions on women.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 10:21 AM

We are in DIRE need of Bernie throwing his support behind the party, if he loses the nomination. Dire need. Dire, dire need.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 10:33 AM

.why do you reckon Mr Trump is a "monster"?

Ake, its long past time you got over your Trump-worship and your unt=reasoning & pathological hatred of Clinton. Its boring if nothing else. Educate yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:10 AM

AMEN,mrrzy and Greg F, if that blow hard were elected, I'd need to dig a deep hole, and I'm somewhat claustrophobic. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:14 AM

If Bernie is swindled out of the nomination by the Party, he should stand as an independent.

He has a strong following in the country from people OF PRINCIPLE.
It could signal a real change in US politics to have a genuine alternative to corporate capitalism.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:17 AM

We are in DIRE need of Bernie throwing his support behind the party, if he loses the nomination. "

Hi, Mrrzy - agreed to a point - BUT don't put all the onus on Bernie himself . He SHOULD fight the good fight right up to the wire.

However, if the last-ditch, diehard, "Clinton will get my vote when they pry it from my cold, dead hands" Sandersnistas are not smart enough and practical enough at the end of the day to vote for Clinton (and I am not and have never been a fan of Hillary OR her husband) to prevent that piece of Trumpshit from gaining the presidency then it will be THEIR fault - not Bernie's - for reprising the 2000 election and the Naderoids who handed the presidency to George Dumbya Bush.

I'm still in hopes that H. L. Mencken was wrong, but there are plenty of current indicators that he was right on the money:

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:21 AM

Jaysus, Ake - see the above post. And educate yourself about political - not to say fundamental - reality.

It could signal a real change in US politics

Yup, putting the Trumpshit in the White House WOULD be a real change - for the worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:27 AM

Mrs Clinton's record on foreign affairs is indeed DIRE, from Iraq to Libya, to Syria, but to those obsessed by minority rights she also opposed homosexual "marriage" until 2013 when her eyes became fixed on the presidency.........does that not make her a "homophobic bigot" like most of you presume me to be?
Or is it all right if you're a hypocrite and a Democrat?


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:56 AM

Ake, please tell me you're just taking the piss, yes? You seem to be getting more irrational by the day.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 12:50 PM

Greg F Don't you believe California WAS the line? ake, I take it you don't live here, in the USA. Still you WILL rue the day if Trumpsterfire is elected. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 01:22 PM

Greg F Don't you believe California WAS the line?

Nope. Take it to the limit, one more time. However more he might influence Hillary's stated positions right up the the bitter end, more power to him.

The country needs it.

(Ake's in the UK & singularly uninformed about the reality of the situation over here in "the colonies".)


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 02:20 PM

Hil would be wise to add Bernie to her ticket. Whether he would consider the job or not is, of course, another question. There are serious questions about the legitimacy of the voting process in various states, and it is possible a sweeping reform of voting processes is needed.

Anyway, if the outcome of the DNC convention is that Bernie is not nominated but Hillary is, I will vote for Hilary in the general, even though under protest.

It would be nice if the process were MUCH more transparent than it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 05:32 PM

Amos,I agree,should also be a right to vote, not a prize to be won. I think most of the "fixed" stuff concerns super delegates which are a flawed fail safe so the dems don't end up with their own trumpfire, and no, I'm not comparing Bernie to Trump, just that in the party's he's only been on board for a year. I'd love to see her offer the veep to Eliz Warren, though my room mate says two women would be pushing things too far. He also thinks Bern should keep going to keep Hil from drifting to the center. I pray you guys are right. ake's a brit, surprising, Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 06:17 PM

NEVER SURRENDER! All the way to the convention! Feel the Bern!

Unpledged MEANS Unpledged. Don't *let* the bastards win. Make them win... or loose. What's the difference? If she wins, she wins. If she doesn't win, the US, and the World, wins.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 07:40 PM

gnu, win with Trump? I don't see it,    I pray you meant Bern. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 08:00 PM

What? Trump? Trump doesn't even enter the equation as far as being president. Trump will never be president. Trump was only ever a ruse to attempt to get Clinton elected so that Bernie would not get elected. It was *their* only hope and the part of "their" that is the Repugnant Party sacrificed their party's reputation on it. Smoke and mirrors. Bullshit extraordinaire. Bait and switch.

Feel the Bern! All the way to the convention AND even if it has to be a write in vote in the election. All the way... or you deserve to be Trumped or sHillaryed.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: toadfrog
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 08:21 PM

The short answer is this.

I voted for Bernie. I was impressed most of all by his promise that he would "never be a spoiler." If he goes on attacking Hilary at this point he is a spoiler, and I have no more respect for him. Trump is very real. Trump can sure as hell get elected, and if the Republicans run somebody else, that person will likely be worse than Trump. You think nobody disagrees with you because you don't associate with people people who disagree with you. There are a whole lot of right wing nuts, and there are a lot more people who identify themselves as like Trump, and don't care who he insults.

If Bernie goes on sabotaging the left, he is responsible for the consequences--just as Ralph Nader will always be remembered as the lovely guy who brought us the war in Iraq.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:36 PM

Bernie is a really nice guy, with pie-in-the-sky ideals. He'd never get any of them accomplished with the House and the Senate as they are today. Hillary will kick some balls and get the job done.

Ake, you need to exhale, inhale, and take a step back from American politics. If, after nearly 3 decades in political life, the likes of Richard Scaife and Kenneth Starr haven't toppled the Clinton machine, (look them up if you don't know who I'm talking about), we're looking at a world where Trump is going to recycle old trash. He has nothing useful, nothing new.

Hopefully most Americans are smarter than Donald Trump, and see him for what he is. And if you're not sure about what has happened to Hillary over the years (why she has had to work 3x as hard as any man to reach this point), read this.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: ragdall
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 01:13 AM

I'm with gnu! Feel the Bern!
Too bad we can't vote, eh, gnu?

The US election system would benefit from a strong purge. Something needs to be done about all the voting irregularities that have been reported.

Hang in there, Bernie! You know what's right.   Do it.

rags


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 01:46 AM

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there have been significant voting irregularities in this primary season. The Republicans had mostly "winner take all" primaries, and that tended to work to Trump's advantage. I think they'd be better off with proportional selection of delegates, like the Democrats have in most states.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 06:41 AM

I don't abuse this forum to "take the piss" Greg.....and I don't think you do either.

I agree almost completely with gnu......sorry gnu.

I cannot understand why you people even contemplate voting for the establishment candidate especially with her abysmal record in office AND the availability of a real reformer to vote for, who the polls reckon has a better chance of beating Mr Trump in the presidential election than Mrs Clinton?    None of it makes sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 08:27 AM

ake,the point is moot now, it's Trump or Clinton and a write in for Bernie is a vote for Trump. I love it that Harry Reid is pushing for Liz Warren, she would cancel Hil's biggest liability (Wall Street} and please the far left of our party with one stone, so to speak. I agree with toadefrog, damage is being done, and Joe that voter irregularities are a republican fiction, always have been. Latly, for now, I apologize to gnu, I knew what you were saying as soon as I posted, and I know of no way to unring that bell. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 08:48 AM

Bernie ran a great campaign and he's moved the conversation considerably to the left and now it's time for him to bow out (in his own good time, he's earned it) and get behind HRC so she can get on with the nasty business of putting down this rabid dog, if the GOP doesn't beat her to it that is.

BTW, congratulations to HRC and American voters who brought about a historic moment with her victory. Her acceptance speech the other night was truly inspirational and was her best public moment that I can recall.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 09:13 AM

It's shameful that this land of the free has taken sooooo long to put a woman in this position, it's not like we didn't have examples from around the world. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 09:18 AM

Food For Thought

If Bernie goes on sabotaging the left, he is responsible for the consequences--just as Ralph Nader...

Bernie is in no way "sabotoging the left". And the "responsibility" would be that of voters irresponsibly throwing their votes away on a candidate who could not possibly win - see above 08 Jun 16 - 11:17 AM

[Bernie] ... has a better chance of beating Mr Trump... [than Clinton]

Not in this universe, Ake. Would that it were so, but its a fantasy. If Bernie had a chance I'd vote for him in a New York Minute - but not at the expense of putting The Trumpshit in the Oval Office.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 09:58 AM

According to the polls, more people would vote Sanders to beat Trump than Clinton......the polls will dictate who the Democratic candidate will be......unless of course the Democrat political establishment would rather have Trump than a socialist.

Greg ......I understand your position, but you should really have been right behind Mr Sanders from the OFF.

Party politics is meaningless, especially in the US where Big business runs everything including the politicians.....you got to break the mould even if it means sacrificing the presidency.......without a new political template nothing meaningful will ever change.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 10:06 AM

you should really have been right behind Mr Sanders from the OFF.

Why do you assume I wasn't?

the polls will dictate who the Democratic candidate will be

Uh, no. That's not how it works. And by the way - WHAT polls, exactly, and where are you getting this information??

you got to break the mould even if it means sacrificing the presidency

That may possibly be the stupidist, mort ridiculous thing you've ever come up with, Ake, allowing that it has some pretty stiff competition.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 10:08 AM

A differential of 3.7 million votes has dictated who the Democratic candidate will be.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 12:57 PM

3.7 is nothing, not so long ago it would have been 37......and the momentum is still with Sanders.
Clinton as president would mean no change and a probable foreign affairs debacle.

If the polls keep showing Sanders with positive numbers and Clinton negative against Trump, Sanders will get the nomination......unless as I said, the Democrat establishment fear socialism (even Bernie's very mild form), more than they fear Mr Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 01:05 PM

If the polls keep showing Sanders with positive numbers and Clinton negative against Trump, Sanders will get the nomination


No.

He.

Will.

Not.

It.

Doesn't

Work.

That.

Way.

Are you being wilfully obtuse on purpose, Ake, or are you really that ignorant about the workings of U.S. Govt, political parties, and election procedures?

I suspect I know the answer, but......


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 01:11 PM

BBC now.....Sanders is going right to the wire, he says he is the only one who can beat Mr Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 01:12 PM

You're probably the only person in the western world that doesn't realize that Bernie's candidacy is over with the exception of a few of his more zealous minions. It seems like even the senator himself is becoming reconciled to it. As for momentum, he took a real beating on Tuesday night.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 02:03 PM

There is a lot of leverage left Mr Sanders could threaten to stand as an independent......He has enough support in the country to do so. The bullets are not all with the Democratic establishment.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 02:17 PM

Cant believe this piece of nonsense, "It's shameful that this land of the free has taken sooooo long to put a woman in this position, it's not like we didn't have examples from around the world"

What in hell does it matter whether the president is a man or a woman? surely it's ability to do the job that counts?

We have had a woman Prime Minister, one Margaret Thatcher......and most of the "liberals" here think she was the worst thing that ever happened to British politics.

I can't take you seriously after a remark like that Mike. Ideological claptrap.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 02:53 PM

Thanks for your support, if she was the second or fifth woman, I'd agree. Seems this claptrap is big news to many, and Thatcher was Reagan without outdoor plumbing, so I would'nt cite her. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 02:59 PM

she was the worst thing that ever happened to British politics.

Not at all, Ake - Maggie was the worst thing to happen to the British PEOPLE since The Black Plague.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 05:41 PM

She was a formidable politician, one of the best of breed, although I disagreed with almost every one of her policies.

Fortunately, her political acumen had very little to do with her gender......she was doing a job for the political system which she supported and she was bloody good at it.
British manufacturing had become unprofitable and to save the system or to buy time it had to be pruned in a manner which devastated the working class......making it almost extinct and removing its political power.
A housing boom based on credit and the sale of "council houses" bought more time and turned most of the population into property owning capitalists.....Blair and New Labour continued her work until the inevitable financial crash of 2008.

The figureheads are really meaningless, you talk of the left of the Democratic Party, there is no left in the Democratic party, only a pissy marshmallow, rights obsessed, ineffective centre and Mrs Clintons stormtroopers........what a bloody choice!

If you really want change you must start by dismantling the socio/ economic system and re constructing it. Mr Sanders would be a start, but it will be a long haul and no one on these pages would see it come to fruition.......Mrs Clinton and her ilk are the heirs to Thatcher and Blair, a two tier society based on financial aspiration and the wealth gap growing ever wider.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 05:51 PM

There is something very worrying about the dissonance between the California poll results and the recorded votes. I understand that litigation is in play. One key factor is the skewness of "provisional votes" and another (sorry if this sounds a bit tinfoil hatty) the possibility of corrupt electronic counting.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 05:53 PM

she was doing a job for the political system which she supported and she was bloody good at it.

So was Pol Pot.

Mrs Clintons stormtroopers & etc.

Its obviously pointless trying to educate you and you adamantly refuse to educate yourself, Ake. You're also starting to display the same alarming behavior as The Professor.

So from here on out, I'll do my damndest to try not to respond to your increasingly bizarre and uninformed rantings.

TTFN


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 09:00 PM

Nobody would expect a football team to concede before the game is over, no matter how impossible the hope of overtaking the other side. The same should be the rule in a political contest. Play to the whistle.

The contests that really matter are the ones for Congress and Senate. As the last eight years has shown, the gerrymandering that means that a country consistently voting Democrat is liable to be saddled with Republican legislatures means that a Democrat president is largely powerless.

The hope must be that Trump will so screw up the whole Republican that enough Democrats will be elected to compensate for the bent electoral system, and that the momentum of the Sanders campaign will mean that the Democrats elected would largely represent that momentum.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 10 Jun 16 - 08:05 AM

Mcgrath of Harlow. You are dead on and that is the dream. Did anyone catch Sen. Warren last night. She has become my favorite politician since RFK. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Jun 16 - 11:15 AM

I just looked at it on Youtube. She's impressive.

Your big worry is that to many people might be looking at Hillary, deciding they don't muxch like her, and thinking Trump is a no hoper, so they might stay home in November, or put in a protest vote - which could mean Trump actually winning, and would definitely hit the hopes of left Democrats getting in across the country.

Having Elizabeth upfront in the campaign, preferably as VP candidate would be a way of addressing that.

"Two women on the slate might be pushing things too far" - you've had two men every time for 240 years, and it hasn't worked out too well a lot of the time. And the two are pretty dramatically different. If Hillary doesn't pick her the suspicion might be she was scared of being outshone by her.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 10 Jun 16 - 12:15 PM

If she leaves the Senate, the Rep. Gov of Mass. would replace her as a fill in 'til special election, only draw back I can see. She'd appeal to Bernie's folk and shore up Hil's wall street creds. I'm not concerned with an all female ticket, as you point out all males haven't fared so well a lot of times. Anyway, she's hot to tear into Trump,anyway. Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 12:02 PM

Rest assured Sen. Sanders will not become a Ralph Nader election buster.


For the sake of argument Bernie is just as capable as Hillary at being an expedient liar. To m knowledge he di not ie during the primaries but as President there woul be times a li is part of the job.

In an elevator my wife heard a Bernie supporter complain about women voting with thir vaginas.

Lets just say that young man will not be voting with his dick this year.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 01:28 PM

Ok then, It would appear that you "liberals" are about to vote for a Presidential candidate who supported war in Iraq, was instrumental in getting president Obama to facilitate the destabilisation of Libya,
pushed for regime change in Syria, which would have left a breeding ground for ISIS terrorists, accepts millions of dollars from US corporations, has made a bollocks of every office of government in which she was involved.........why?


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Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 01:50 PM

yer right Bernie is better but reality offers our own Golda Maier, Angela Merkle...Queen of the free world.

DId you know the pope could be a woman?


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