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BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues

Greg F. 15 Mar 16 - 02:17 PM
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Donuel 15 Mar 16 - 03:18 PM
Donuel 15 Mar 16 - 03:40 PM
Donuel 15 Mar 16 - 04:39 PM
Greg F. 15 Mar 16 - 06:49 PM
keberoxu 15 Mar 16 - 06:50 PM
GUEST,# 15 Mar 16 - 07:31 PM
olddude 15 Mar 16 - 08:13 PM
Donuel 15 Mar 16 - 09:30 PM
Ebbie 16 Mar 16 - 12:11 AM
GUEST,Lighter 16 Mar 16 - 11:28 AM
GUEST,JTS 16 Mar 16 - 12:44 PM
Joe Offer 16 Mar 16 - 07:42 PM
Stilly River Sage 16 Mar 16 - 07:46 PM
GUEST,# 16 Mar 16 - 08:08 PM
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akenaton 17 Mar 16 - 06:00 AM
Charmion 17 Mar 16 - 07:16 AM
GUEST,# 17 Mar 16 - 08:21 AM
Donuel 17 Mar 16 - 08:43 AM
Greg F. 17 Mar 16 - 08:49 AM
Stilly River Sage 17 Mar 16 - 09:51 AM
akenaton 17 Mar 16 - 09:59 AM
keberoxu 17 Mar 16 - 11:30 AM
Ebbie 17 Mar 16 - 11:35 AM
Donuel 17 Mar 16 - 12:07 PM
GUEST,# 17 Mar 16 - 01:29 PM
GUEST,Richard Bridge on the Intel Quad Core 17 Mar 16 - 02:02 PM
Peter the Squeezer 17 Mar 16 - 02:53 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 16 - 04:17 PM
akenaton 17 Mar 16 - 06:12 PM
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GUEST,LynnH 18 Mar 16 - 03:58 AM
Peter the Squeezer 18 Mar 16 - 04:23 AM
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akenaton 18 Mar 16 - 05:48 AM
Mr Red 18 Mar 16 - 07:18 AM
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Charmion 18 Mar 16 - 09:39 AM
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Ebbie 18 Mar 16 - 12:34 PM
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Subject: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 02:17 PM

This is only a test. There was nothing overtly "confrontational" about the similar thread. However the life expectancy of THIS thread can likely be measured in nanoseconds.

That being said:

Sanders calls himself a socialist

No, he calls himself a DEMOCRATIC socialist, like those of 2/3 of the adminstraions in European countries.

In reality, he's more of an FDR Democrat. Of course the idiotocracy also claimed (and still claim)that FDR was a socialist/communist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: keberoxu
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 02:58 PM

Shouldn't this be Trump III? There was a thread earlier yet about the Genius of Donald Trump...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 03:18 PM

Any discussion of Trump is confrontational.
Protesters will be taught a lesson.
Do not criticize the regime or Trump supporters.
Do not think we are kidding.


IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE !
well you have a big surprise coming.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 03:40 PM

The repression by the right wing tea types is real
I was attacked by a black dually Trump Truck'
It smashed the passenger side of my car and took off.

I have a Bernie bumper sticker 'Bernie the new FDR'
He had a Trump sign.

After coming to a stop side by side he cranked his wheel to the left twice to hit my car.
It was clearly deliberate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 04:39 PM

Just because the visibly angry pick up truck driver was white with a Trump sign in the back window behind an NRA sticker does not mean he was evangelical.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 06:49 PM

Heil Donald!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: keberoxu
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 06:50 PM

Well, let's see about the election results from this week's primaries -- in the next hours....


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 07:31 PM

Looks like Trump has Florida. The GOP in its infinite wisdom and aptitude for skulduggery changed Florida to a 'winner take all' state in order to give Rubio and Bush a little boost. I expect a few people in strategy will have the decency to fall on their swords. But seeing's how they're Republicans, I doubt there is enough honor left in them to do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: olddude
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 08:13 PM

Hillary has more votes right now than all Republican candidates combined. The Republican party is fractured but every one who put Obama in office for eight years is behind her.. She will landslide the general election, and me, I will be visiting the white house yes I am.. I wonder if I can sleep in Lincolns bed.. Hmnn I heard it's haunted


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 09:30 PM

That is a hopeful perspective Dan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Mar 16 - 12:11 AM

Orange Dumpsters come to a bad end.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 16 Mar 16 - 11:28 AM

Trump today has threatened "riots in the street" and "trouble like there's never been before" if he loses the GOP nomination in an open convention.

And why? "Because there's a lot of anger in this country." He's already busy harnessing it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 16 Mar 16 - 12:44 PM

ABT (anyone but Trump) will win in a landslide.

All they need to do to discredit him is play his own words.

Once people outside the GOP bubble get to know his politics, he is toast.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Mar 16 - 07:42 PM

Olddude says: Hillary has more votes right now than all Republican candidates combined.

Where is that happening, Dan?

I'd like to see a tally of the total number of votes cast for each candidate so far. Reports have been saying that the Republican turnout has been much bigger than that of the Democrats, but is that true?

Anybody know where to find that data?

-Joe-


I should have known. Wikipedia has great data: But I'm too lazy to tally up the total votes cast per candidate just now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Mar 16 - 07:46 PM

This has been reported on NPR today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,#
Date: 16 Mar 16 - 08:08 PM

There are numbers for Democrat popular votes at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

Scroll down to the blue and beside it purple maps which are side by each. I'll check if there's anything similar for the other party.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,#
Date: 16 Mar 16 - 08:16 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016#Result_by_popular_votes

Sixth column to the right in the second part entitled

Candidates and Results.

It's just a little ways down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 06:00 AM

I am more concerned about the demise of Mr Sanders than speculation on the prospects of Mr Trump.

No one has yet given a reasonable answer as to why the left are not supporting him but are supporting someone who is centre right ...at best?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Charmion
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 07:16 AM

Ake, don't be disingenuous. Even a cursory look at Senator Sanders' own website -- www.berniesanders.com (blickifier not working yet) -- tells the tale.

The reasonable answer on Senator Sanders' support (or lack of same) is that not enough Democratic Party members believe that he can push his program through Congress.

Most of what he says makes perfect sense to Brits like you and Canadians like me, who have lived most or all of lives with socialized medicine and substantial public support to higher education, but these ideas are political poison in the United States. Senator Sanders proposes to fund his program with swinging taxes on corporations, Wall Street speculators and the super-rich, but you and I both know that such a plan has no hope of success unless the Democrats take both the Senate and the House of Representatives in a landslide, as well as the presidential election.

President Obama's health care plan is badly flawed precisely because it was designed around the insurance industry, a huge money-spinner in the U.S. economy, and money-pit in the household economies of American families. Senator Sanders' plan would cut the insurance industry out of most health-care spending. How do you think that's going to fly, knowing what you should know by now about how politics is financed in the United States?

Likewise, taxing Wall Street to fund post-secondary education for the un-monied classes is a non-starter in the absence of a revolution in public thinking about the significance of (a) education and (b) social mobility to the well-being of the American polity.

I'm not holding my breath on that.

The pragmatic Mrs Clinton, with all her history of compromises, looks like somebody who can muscle a legislative program past the obstacle course of Congress -- Realpolitik is her middle name. Democrats more interested in winning the election than in overturning their society are planning to vote for her.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 08:21 AM

The 'left' you keep talking about doesn't exist as a cohesive organization. Neither does the 'right'. Never has. Look at large interest groups to consdier what that means. The groups under the umbrella of left/right politics change from year to year and it's easy to assume that either group 'thinks' as a unit. Neither does.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 08:43 AM

We all come at these events in terms of being all about Trumo.

In one sense it is BUT it is equally about all the people who will vote for Trump.

There are Americans who are prominent on this website, who are considering voting for Trump. Right now they are worried about their status and their persona that they have carefully constructed. They risk losing respect should they announce their support for Donald.

At some point they will feel that it is OK to stump for Trump.
It might be after the convention or even later.

Profiling who these people are tend to the religious side. They will nor be the usual gang we would most expect.

I have a time machine that travels into the eternal NOW. It doesn't go to the past or future. It delivers just a simple message.
It is a message that if the German people had heard they would not have allowed Adolf near the Chancellery.

What is that message that is stronger than the mob, stronger than emotional lies that feel good? What words will make them
WAKE UP


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 08:49 AM

For the party of Ronald Reagan, its Mourning in America


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 09:51 AM

Charmion nailed it the first time, a perfect 10. Many like what Bernie says, but know that an obstructionist House and Senate aren't going to let it happen. Hillary has been around the block a few times and knows how to broker a deal. If you'll remember, she was roundly criticized for working on a health care initiative during Bill's terms in office - the insurance companies ganged up when they got wind of her interest in a single-payer system that cut them out. Many of us hope that is still lurking in the background, and and older, wiser, and case-hardened Hillary can get closer to that ideal.

Trump, to his (minuscule) credit, doesn't disagree with everything the GOP tends to. He thinks birth control and abortion should be available, and some of his business and trade attitudes have caught the ears of a few Democrats. But even a stopped clock is right twice a day - don't assume because he takes a couple of more liberal stances that he would serve a liberal agenda. Far from it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 09:59 AM

Thanks Charmion and #.....excellent summation.

I still think that to change society will take several decades and a start must be made somewhere.
In the UK Mr Corbyn was elected leader by the rank and file left, he has no hope of winning an election to form a government. he realises that and most of his supporters realise that.....but the important thing is that he will be explaining and educating the UK public on how socialism is going to work.
We could have voted for a Blair clone(like Mrs Clinton) who could have been "nationally electable" but in another decade we would be no further forward regarding the construction of a fairer society and economic structure.

This is the situation with the US, people with a socialist viewpoint need to play the long game and part of that game is to fracture the stranglehold that the corporations and their servants the Political Parties have over the socioeconomic system.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 11:30 AM

....good riddance to bad rubbish....whew.

This was posted to the closed thread. Maybe it's acceptable, maybe not:

"Trump doesn't know it yet, but he will become one of the guys that he hates very soon. Soon he will be a loser. He's a very poor man who only possesses money."
Alejandro González Iñárritu,
page 64, Rolling Stone magazine,
February 25, 2016

This interview, I would guess, took place before the Academy Awards ceremony with its awards to The Revenant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 11:35 AM

Thanks, Charmion and Acme. I am for Bernie Sanders and if he should get the nomination AND the presidency mine will join the voices of millions. However, if he does not win either, I will work for Hillary Clinton just as hard.

I think Hillary would have a good chance at ramming through a good many of her plans. She knows how the powers work, is forceful and practical and realistic and she has friends in high places. True, she also has enemies in high places, and a goodly share of the country's voters don't trust her. But. I think she may go down in history as another FDR.

Bernie, on the other hand, dreams big and has, for years. That's part of the alarm in my mind. He has been in the legislature for years- and nothing has changed. Indeed, things have gotten much worse.

Can you imagine Bernie being more successful in pushing his agenda than the President has been?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 12:07 PM

Bernie, in the parlance of this race, has a path forward. He has ongoing money, he has a mathematical possibility to win and he has the upper hand if Hillary is indicted or stumbles

FDR had a much more favorable Congress but Bernie should still claim the sweeping changes and paths that FDR had.

It has been done before and we can do it again.

As for what music will bring us forward I prefer to be whispered to than shouted at.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 01:29 PM

And here's a nightmare scenario for everyone.

Cruz gets the Republican nomination.
Trump runs as an independent.
Hillary gets the Democrat nomination.
Sanders runs as an independent.

Sweet dreams.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge on the Intel Quad Core
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 02:02 PM

I had not realised (if it be true) that Drumpf had said anything sensible about abortion or contraception.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Peter the Squeezer
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 02:53 PM

Am I alone in wondering what Tom Lehrer would make of Donald.

On the subject of George W Bush, he is quoted as "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirise George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them - and that's not funny."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 04:17 PM

The trump folks hate the black folks
and the black folks hate the trump folks
To grate all but the right folks
Is American as Donald's lies

Lets hear it for guns and walls
camps and jails
That's where all our neighbors work
when DONALD tRUMP acts like a jerk

Its fun to eulogize
someone you despise
the only thing you really have to fear
Is trump every day and night for years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 06:12 PM

I see quite a number of "black folks" speaking at Mr Trump's meetings?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 07:17 PM

Does my Tom song work better with " brown folks"?
Or is this 60 year old song not PC enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 07:26 PM

'I see quite a number of "black folks" speaking at Mr Trump's meetings?'

Stupidity isn't restricted to non-Blacks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,LynnH
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 03:58 AM

The other day I happened to notice that the edition of USA Today at the local newsagent had a cover picture of Trump giving a two fingered gesture that we in the UK know well as 'Go forth and multiply'..........


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Peter the Squeezer
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 04:23 AM

No Lynn

It only means he's learnt to count that far.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 05:02 AM

Meanwhile here in The UK, The Guardian newspaper has run an article reminding us that The Simpsons, sixteen years ago, did an episode looking into the future portraying The USA hitting rock bottom. They came up with ludicrous ideas and ran with the one where Trump becomes President.

You know, there a myth over here that Americans don't understand irony. One way of blowing the idea out of the water I suppose.....

Mind you, some over here are somewhat confused over language. Left and right over here would translate as commie and goddam commie, whilst Bernie's left would be comfortable in the cabinet of our rather right wing government. So this is why we seemed confused when Obama didn't close Guantanamo, based his health reforms, however well intentioned on the share price of a few insurance multinationals and carried on bombing the fuck out of the Middle East. We were reliably informed he was left wing...

Still, all a sideshow. I have a degree of faith in the US electorate. Bush got in first time on a dubious technicality and second time by scaring people into wanting strong arm foreign policy. I spend more time reading articles about what President Elect Clinton is going to do than irrelevant sideshow circuses.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 05:48 AM

Hi Don, I don't care about PC nonsense, but seriously, I've seen a couple of meetings where black people were on camera supporting Mr Trump and there appeared to be quite a few black faces in the audience?

I suppose they could have been "plants", but it's even stranger to see supposed centre left people on here supporting someone who is in the employment of the corporations and has a dreadful record in foreign affairs?

Is it really as # says, all about winning elections where the electorate have no real choice?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 07:18 AM

Hey Guys, you in the USA, this is one of you. He has the right idea.
www.ted.com/talks/arthur_brooks_a_conservative_s_plea_let_s_work_together
But if ever there was a demonstration of "pissing into the wind" this was it, sadly.

(Trump and wind - pun intended)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 07:30 AM

Ake, there are very few black people at the Trump rallies that I've seen on television.

One of his ads implies quite the opposite.

He's been endorsed by a small group of black pastors, one of whom has strongly urged Bernie Sanders to turn to Jesus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 08:15 AM

In many ways, akenaton, this election is about something more than just this election. It's about the kind of world people want to have. Every vote cast is the expression of a person's desire to have things work in certain ways. Forget the candidates for a while and look at the audiences. They will tell more about a candidate than any pundit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 09:11 AM

The black faces in the Trump rallies are called "protesters," Akenaton. They have something AGAINST Trump. And they are often pushed, shoved, and punched on their way out while being "escorted" out of the room.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Charmion
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 09:39 AM

I hope the Blickifier is working today, 'cause here's a really interesting video on HuffPost's Facebook page:

Win or Lose, Bernie Sanders Has Changed America

It's a public post, so non-members should be able to see it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 11:56 AM

I like how you put "protesters" rather than protesters. Helps him get things into his perspective.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 12:33 PM

Yes Charmion that is exactly what I was getting at further up the thread.   It's not about "electability". It's about educating the populace and a vote for Mrs Clinton seems to me to be a reinforcement of the status quo?

The PUB/ DEM machine has America in chains.....sometime, somewhere, somehow, the mould has to be broken.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 12:34 PM

On Facebook today there is an offering (paraphrased): To American voters this is an election. To foreigners it is an intelligence test.

There is one hopeful element in all this: We can't go much lower. We ARE dumbed down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 12:53 PM

I assume that everybody has picked up the news that an enquiry by The Economist team has listed Thump as more of a threat to world security than Al Qaeda
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 01:01 PM

I had a conversation today with a middle aged man who seems to know what is at stake regarding a runaway right wing movement.

As strangers h took me or an academic and I sensed he was being sincere.
Incredibly he admitted he would leave this country if a Trump order took over despite the safeguards America has to prevent a take over of the Republic by know nothings.

When Ebbie said something similar I assume it was half in jest.

I am sobered that people have considered escape rather than than stay.

It seems so soon to consider such things today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 02:26 PM

a vote for Mrs Clinton seems to me to be a reinforcement of the status quo

Oh yes??? As opposed to?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 03:12 PM

Mr Sanders of course, and arguably Mr Trump.

If you want change you have to split the cosy PUB/DEM monopoly.
Perhaps Mr Trump will be forced to lead a third party?


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