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BS: Qu: Regarding Religion

GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Mar 16 - 03:49 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Mar 16 - 03:48 AM
Stu 04 Mar 16 - 03:17 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Mar 16 - 02:45 AM
Greg F. 03 Mar 16 - 04:35 PM
GUEST,Musket 03 Mar 16 - 03:55 PM
GUEST,Raggytash 03 Mar 16 - 02:54 PM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Mar 16 - 02:46 PM
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GUEST,Pete from seven stars link 03 Mar 16 - 12:13 PM
GUEST,Musket 03 Mar 16 - 12:12 PM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 16 - 11:52 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Mar 16 - 11:10 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Mar 16 - 11:08 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Mar 16 - 11:05 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 16 - 10:51 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Mar 16 - 10:44 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Mar 16 - 10:30 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 03:49 AM

My first re-action to reading your hateful babble, was to ask, 'What the fuck are you frothing about'?...but then, it was quite apparent....nothing, just bitter meaningless babble....encased within the frothing foam around your mouth.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 03:48 AM

Keith states the position of all Christian churches.
I'll bet he hasn't even heard of some Christian cults, let alone state their position.


The teaching of Jesus are quite unequivocal, and can only be seen as stated.
He preached love and forgiveness.
"The Methodist Church teaches that war is contrary to the spirit, teaching and purpose of Jesus Christ."
It is not just the Methodists.
That is my position and that of any Christian Church.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Stu
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 03:17 AM

"and he said that, in the Hebrew text, it definitely refers to murder, or murder for gain."

Excellent news! So you can murder for the joy of it and still get to sit at the right tentacle of the flying spaghetti monster?

Is this the sort of bilge the Judaeo/Christian/Islamic moral code is built on? No wonder the world is so utterly fucked and full of needles misery, and explains why they're all such violent lunatics who at the very least are passive in the face of the mindless slaughter their creeds condone.

Unbelievable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 02:45 AM

Boy!!..The bigots are out, and alive and well on THIS thread!!

BTW, I checked with a guy today, who reads, writes, and can speak Hebrew, went to Hebrew school, and is pretty straight with his answers..doesn't know about the argument going on in this thread....and wouldn't care if he did.....and he said that, in the Hebrew text, it definitely refers to murder, or murder for gain.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 04:35 PM

the position of all Christian Churches

You bet, Professor - just like your "All Historians" & etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 03:55 PM

Keith states the position of all Christian churches.

I'll bet he hasn't even heard of some Christian cults, let alone state their position.

After all, Pete is Christian and he states something very different to Keith's assertion. Poor Keith can't even state the view of Christians on Mudcat let alone the rest of the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 02:54 PM

"The Christian pacifist does not necessarily condemn the use of every kind of force, but refuses to employ force unaccountably or to destroy others, for example in either personal or State violence"

I wonder consider the most important phrase her is "OR DESTROY OTHERS"

That is do not KILL them, you can put whatever spin you want on it, as you no doubt will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 02:46 PM

As I said, that is the position of all Christian Churches, and it is also my own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 02:41 PM

Dave,
the position of the Church is fairly clearly one not the other

No.
Their position is, as you said, ""The Methodist Church teaches that war is contrary to the spirit, teaching and purpose of Jesus Christ."

As I said, that is the position of all Christian Churches, and mine.
I am not pacifist and nor are the Methodist Church.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 02:10 PM

And Pete, before you leap to his defence, he doesn't think that much of fundamentalists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 02:07 PM

Tekton apologetics are a bizarre outfit. Or, really, a bizarre individual. This is he.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 02:04 PM

Keith, yes they offer pastoral support to those who espouse both, and uphold the right of individuals to hold either view, but the position of the Church is fairly clearly one not the other. A bit like the position of the Anglican Church on gay priests.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 12:13 PM

Interesting link gfs, . Tekton apolologetics do some thoughtful stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 12:12 PM

Indulging in the tradition for the sake of others is hardly hypocritical, you oaf.

I used to be in a band with a melodeon player who played for his local Morris team. Is he a hypocrit for using cow shit and fertiliser on his vegetables rather than rely on the good fortune in the dance?

If I happened to be a Christian, should I have snubbed our Sikh friends by saying it would be hypocritical to attend their temple? Or even better, should I have murdered them for not being Christian? After all, we can't be hypocrites can we?

There is no hypocrisy if you don't believe in all that bollocks. Just decency in supporting others in their need and enjoying traditions. Which, I might add, is the main reason some people go to church in the first place. Mrs Musket isn't religious but on Sunday, when we travel down and take her mother out from the nursing home for Mother's Day, she will take her to church (whilst I go for a walk, there are limits...)

Just think, if normal people took heed of your hypocrisy confusion, churches would all shut because they all depend on marriages, christenings and funerals for existence, and if normal people didn't turn up....


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 11:52 AM

"They do not."
Yes they do - it is not a sin to gain wealth in the Christian Church - christ told his followers to take their possessions and give them to the poor, he threw the money-changers out of the temple and told the rich that they had about as much chance of getting into heaven as a camel would have trying to pass through the eye of a needle... go down a bomb with today's christians
The 'Big Yin' would find himself banged up as a raving red if he preached that today.
Go read your bible and stop stupidly denying things that the rest of us have known since we gave up the tit.
You are saying that what purports to be a pacifist religion (Christianity, that is, can't speak for you particular sect) selectively advocates that it is fine to kill some people.
I asked for a a list of who it was OK to kill - and answer came there none - just waffle.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 11:10 AM

Steve, I discussed the actions of the IDF in terms of International Law, not Christian principles which I accept most here do not share.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 11:08 AM

Jim,
The probably would have come up with a similar statement regarding acquisition
They do not.
Are you really trying to present your church as a bunch of killers?
No.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 11:05 AM

Dave, this is what the Methodists say about pacifism.
The bit you left out.

"The Christian pacifist does not necessarily condemn the use of every kind of force, but refuses to employ force unaccountably or to destroy others, for example in either personal or State violence.

The Christian non-pacifist does not justify every war, but reluctantly recognises that violence (force) may be used when authorised to defend against aggression, to rectify a breach of a boundary, or to restrain or replace a 'notorious and tyrannical' despot. The Church upholds the right of individual members conscientiously to choose between these positions, and offers pastoral support to those on both sides of the debate."
http://www.methodist.org.uk/who-we-are/views-of-the-church/peace-and-war


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 10:51 AM

"This is from a CofE site,"
Church again - not people
The probably would have come up with a similar statement regarding acquisition
Are you really trying to present your church as a bunch of killers?
Fine by me.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 10:44 AM

I'm incredibly tempted to ask Keith how be squares that just war theory with the activities of the Israeli regime that he so vehemently defends, but I'm not going to. It might be better for him not to call other people hypocrites though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 10:30 AM

Musket, you excoriate all religions and ridicule people of faith, but you are happy to indulge in Christian ritual and prayer when it suits you.
Seeing that as hypocrisy does not make me a fool Musket.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 10:26 AM

"The Methodist Church teaches that war is contrary to the spirit, teaching and purpose of Jesus Christ.

So does every other Christian Church, but it is not pacifism.

This is from a CofE site,
"5. In just war theory, criteria are set out for the legitimate resort to warfare. A war
must have a just cause, be waged by a proper authority and with a right intention,
be undertaken only if there is a reasonable chance of success and if the total good
outweighs the total evil expected (overall proportionality). It must also be waged as
a last resort and in pursuit of peace. Criteria are also set out for the conduct of war.
These are discrimination (avoiding intentional harm to non-combatants) and
proportionality of means (using such force as is essential to pursue the just cause).
6. Just war theory does not constitute a Christian ideal. The application of just war
theory is a Christian practice, not a doctrine. It is reflected in international law, but
for Christians who accept it, it is an expedient response to the challenges of living in
a fallen world."
https://www.churchofengland.org/media/1376267/defence%20policy%20may%202010.pdf


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 09:17 AM

Greg, can you ever give it a rest?

Either the Bible its the incontrovertible "Word Of God" or it isn't.

It can be sort of the word of God - kinda like being "a little bit pregnant", dontcha think?


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 09:06 AM

Gosh 😱 Are you sure that's what the Methodist church says??

Only I was all up for believing Keith.

You can't be too careful.

As the actress said to... Etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 08:40 AM

With the Methodistchurch, United Reformed, and many other reformed churched, the laity are the church.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 08:34 AM

Keith always has had trouble in distinguishing the difference between church and laity - pretty much as he has with British politicians and the British people as a whole
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 08:22 AM

This is what the Methodist Church actually says on the subject:

"The Methodist Church teaches that war is contrary to the spirit, teaching and purpose of Jesus Christ. On the other hand Jesus did not condemn the Centurion (Luke 7:1-10) or even Pilate himself for being part of the military arm. Instead he reminded Pilate that he had received his authority from a greater power and remained accountable to that power (John 19:10-11)."

Of course people pray for soldiers in Methodist churches, as they pray for the sick, for victims of natural disasters and for sinners. And of course there are ex-soldiers as there will be ex-burglars. Possibly even ex-murderers, even by your definition. That doesn't mean they endorse war.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 08:14 AM

No hypocrisy at all, you fool.

As someone who sings traditional songs, I might ask if you are with the Irish republican sentiment in some, or the need to get pissed all the time in others?

I married first time in a church because it was the thing to do. I doubt anybody who is rational actually listens to the "what God put together" nonsense. It's a tradition. Christening is a tradition. I did the Santa Claus and tooth fairy bit too, not to mention getting them reading Tolkien and JK Rowling at an early age.

Mrs Musket is a bell ringer and although not superstitious, gave years of service as a bell ringer at the cathedral, up till going to university and still rings there when visiting family. It seemed logical to marry there. Unfortunately, I'm a heathen due to being divorced so God said no. At the same time, a divorced employee of the cathedral was told God said yes.

We got married in a hotel. The beer was better, the roast lamb beats dry wafers any day and we didn't need the hypocrisy.

You confuse tradition and family with superstition. I was in church singing hymns only yesterday. The deceased believed in God, as did many others of his advanced years, and I was doing it for his widow and the memory of him. As, I suspect, were the rest of us.

A couple of weeks ago I was back at a Sikh temple for the second time, for the equivalent of christening of our friends' latest offspring. I doubt I or any of the other non Sikhs there had a desire to grow our hair round a turban. Chance would be a fine thing in my case.

This assumption that making use of the traditional community service churches, mosques, synagogues and temples offer is somehow to do with believing nonsense is all part of what Prof Dawkins called "the God delusion." You try to rope intelligent people into your mumbo jumbo to hide your own intellectual embarrassment. (That's a compliment by the way.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 08:07 AM

"I do know that no Christian denomination except Quakers take a pacifist line,"
That's the Church Keith - SFA to do with "Just about every Christian"
We already know they are a bunch of hypocrites
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 07:27 AM

"Just about every Christian understands that the commandment is about murder not killing."
How do you know - know "just about every Christian.


I do know that no Christian denomination except Quakers take a pacifist line, and I knew a Quaker who served in the TA.

Musket, re hypocrisy, did you not marry and attempt to remarry in church, and were not all your children baptised into it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 06:55 AM

"Go into any CofE church and find numerous memorials to those who died fighting, and to the glory of their sacrifice."
Sod all to do with the scriptures - the various churches are the greatest compromisers on their beliefs - always have been (want to attempt to assess how much the Catholic Church is worth - d'you not think Jesus would have his work cut out throwing out the money-changers of the Vatican?
Chritianity has based its existence on its claimed belief in the sanctity of human life - it's opposition is based on that tenet
Now you're telling us it was all a con (as if we didn't know already!!)
"Just about every Christian understands that the commandment is about murder not killing."
How do you know - do you know "just about every Christian.
The question of what the commandment means hasn't crossed their minds - even if they are even aware of it.
SDon't be daft Keith - you have trouble speaking for yourself , let alone "just about every Christian".
The instincts of just about every human being is probably that it is wrong to kill - our streets would be littered with dead bodies if that were not the case.
People don't kill each other because it is a human instinct not to - sod what either the church or the state says.
But if you want to continue to claim that your religion promotes killing - please feel free - suits me down to the ground.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Stu
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 06:21 AM

"Btw, I don't actually call it literalism but reading according to the genre , and you could see the difference as far as the NT is concerned."

Very handy! So you can basically use any passage in the bible to support any argument you make? You know The Clangers weren't real, right?


"Just about every Christian understands that the commandment is about murder not killing."

Yay! They can kill with justification! God's on their side! Blast the arms and legs of small children, stick a paveway into a wedding party and STILL get into heaven because it wasn't murder, just collateral damage! Yay!

Up to your nuts in blood and guts and still on the way to sit at god's right hand. Damn, that must feel good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 06:18 AM

Of course there are plaques in churches. What has that to do with anything? The whole point here is the hypocrisy of organised religion. Dylan's God on our side springs to mind.

I just googled your Ten Commandments. Every hit I checked said kill, not murder.

Luckily for you, your neighbour will look over to your garden and see the goat I'm going to tether in it, and so long as he doesn't confuse it with an ox, he shouldn't necessarily covet it.

Ok, to be fair, elsewhere in it, I'm sure there are loop holes allowing you to kill. After all, three hundred years ago, the bloody code was propped up by a church edict that said man was in the image of God therefore killing a man or depriving him of property was blasphemous.

You can do anything with a concept that you make up as you go along.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 05:23 AM

..as I just posted: "...then I guess it's up to your 'political' or 'religious' spin whether you agree, or not....but,at least get it accurate"

Are you guys just arguing for the sake of arguing??...trying to rag on Christianity, as an institution??....or actually considering murdering somebody, and just want to find a loophole, that makes it 'alright'???

...Just thought I'd ask.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 05:12 AM

Go into any CofE church and find numerous memorials to those who died fighting, and to the glory of their sacrifice.
All beautifully tended.

Methodist church is quite close to endorsing pacifism.

No they are not.
I often attend a Methodist church, my wife's, and they also pray for our armed forces and there are ex soldiers in the congregation.

Just about every Christian understands that the commandment is about murder not killing.
Ask some.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 04:49 AM

It's alright Goofus. There is no need for confusion. Your bible says thou shalt not kill. It doesn't say anything about murder.

If only Muslims had the PR consultants Christians have? Imagine not having to apologise for the terrorists abusing your faith? Imagine being able to tell people black is white and keeping a straight face whilst doing so?


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 04:34 AM

"Just about every Christian understands that the commandment is about murder not killing."
More unpublished surveys Keith or did you ask them all personally?
Like many things, even practicing Christians, are not interested in what the gospel says or means - they leave that to the preachers and priests.
Having been subjected to a religious education, I was never told at any time that 'thou shalt not kill" meant anything other than what it said.
The fact that Christian leaders have never adhered to that has basically been ignored, just like the rich man not being allowed into heaven -a bit of long accepted hypocrisy.
There are enough quotes from the gospels to indicate that Christianity as preached was basically pacifist - the wannabe warriors among us have chosen to to either adapt or ignore those quotes which don't fit their own warlike agenda.
Rather typical is your refusal to respond to the ones that have been given.
This is a somewhat strange turnaround on your part
Not too long ago you were blaming the Muslim religion for what a few Muslims were doing - 'implanted'.
Now you are saying that Christianity is a philosophy which promotes killing; as you refuse to respond to killing for gain, I can only assume that this is also part of Christian philosophy.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 04:34 AM

This may help, regarding the translation of 'murder' versus 'kill'

...then I guess it's up to your 'political' or 'religious' spin whether you agree, or not....but,at least get it accurate.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 04:03 AM

By the way, club rules dictate I answer for what Musket writes, and I am happy to do so. But it is me with the vicar connections not Musket who Keith quotes.

We move in mysterious ways. Although we don't kill or murder along the way. The other two Muskets have this hypocritical oath thingy and imagine if you could interpret rather than accept that? Oh, some doctors in The USA and other third world countries do. Together with prison chaplains as they work together at executions.

It's the "Christians this that and the other" bits that gets my goat. I'll tether it outside Keith's house when I get around to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 03:59 AM

Sadly Guest,Musket, those aren't repeats, its an actual new series.

I am with Pete on this one, and many Christians are. Not sure its most, but many. Quakers obviously, and the Methodist church is quite close to endorsing pacifism. Then there are individual examples like Bruce Kent, Paul Oestreicher and Rowan Williams.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 03:38 AM

Just about every Christian qualifies "thou shalt not kill"??? Really???

I have an in law about to start his first rector job after two years learning Ancient Greek and how to talk in public. I have a good friend who is a vicar. The former is clever but smiles too much and the latter sees his role as a social worker without rules. Incidentally, he uses the word metaphor rather than the word historical. He can't reconcile metaphysical nonsense with scientific reality but says that doesn't stop his bible being his moral compass.

There again I have a friend who reckons we never went to the moon and is possibly watching repeats of The X Files at this minute.

Military Padres are about as awful an interpretation of hypocrisy as I can think of. I assume their bibles are edited to remove the bits about turning the other cheek and not killing. Although presumably they convince themselves the enemy are gay witches? Both fair game to your all loving, all forgiving, all embracing god delusion.

Talk to pete about pacifism. He's a real Christian apparently.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 03:09 AM

GfS, freedom was summed up in song by Kris Kristofferson.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 03:02 AM

Islam providing chaplains ................................ there's novel


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 02:39 AM

Musket,
A sweeping statement like that, which just about every Christian would bristle at isn't "merely" anything but is provocative.

No.
Just about every Christian understands that the commandment is about murder not killing.
Ask some.
You have family members who are Christian, and a priest I seem to remember.
Prayers are regularly offered for our armed forces in my typical CofE church, and there are Chaplains provided by all the main Churches including Islam.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 06:48 PM

Ed T.: "Music is (and has been) a highly effective war propaganda vehicle (as religion is, and has been in many conflicts)."

Propaganda for which?:
__Freedom
__Communism
__Socialism
__Democracy
__Religion
__Monarchies
__Corporate Globalism
__Totalitarianism
__All of the above
__None of the above

It can also be used for healing...and uniting..and inspiration.
HOWEVER, the ABUSE of ANY of the above, can be, and has been damaging.

That all being said, music is a powerful medium, that should be studied, as to what makes it resonate within the souls of man.

BTW, I'm not disputing your post...just want those in here, who are politically, or religiously deluded, to take a closer look beyond their delusions.

Regards,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 12:16 PM

Music is (and has been) a highly effective war propaganda vehicle (as religion is, and has been in many conflicts):




war and music 


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 11:59 AM

Yes, you contributed to the discussion by saying Christians have to believe the Hebrew bit and that KJV is false.

A sweeping statement like that, which just about every Christian would bristle at isn't "merely" anything but is provocative.

Still, it's all bollocks anyway eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 11:29 AM

But Pete keeps saying it's true. All true.

Any stance other than analogy would indicate the god and Jesus stuff is actually true. No intelligent person falls for that nonsense, not even those employed to perpetuate control over others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 11:28 AM

Thank you, frog prince. I was merely contributing to the discussion but some posters are just looking for confrontation. Btw, I don't actually call it literalism but reading according to the genre , and you could see the difference as far as the NT is concerned. Seems some have a harder time doing so !


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Subject: RE: BS: Qu: Regarding Religion
From: frogprince
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 11:11 AM

Greg, can you ever give it a rest? I'm in disagreement with Pete's literalism, but he knows what he's talking about in this instance. He's not referring here to alleged facts in the Bible that others don't accept; he's referring to instances in which the writer is not narrating, but is instead clearly using an analogy to convey a concept; "sermonizing" in a letter to a church group.


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