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BS: The Iowa Caucuses

michaelr 02 Feb 16 - 12:22 AM
Joe Offer 02 Feb 16 - 01:06 AM
michaelr 02 Feb 16 - 01:10 AM
Richard Bridge 02 Feb 16 - 03:58 AM
gnu 02 Feb 16 - 07:21 AM
Stilly River Sage 02 Feb 16 - 07:38 AM
GUEST,# 02 Feb 16 - 09:46 AM
akenaton 02 Feb 16 - 12:24 PM
akenaton 02 Feb 16 - 12:24 PM
GUEST 02 Feb 16 - 12:34 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 02 Feb 16 - 12:50 PM
Amos 02 Feb 16 - 12:58 PM
akenaton 02 Feb 16 - 01:08 PM
olddude 02 Feb 16 - 02:41 PM
olddude 02 Feb 16 - 02:43 PM
GUEST 02 Feb 16 - 02:53 PM
Charmion 02 Feb 16 - 02:58 PM
olddude 02 Feb 16 - 03:25 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 02 Feb 16 - 03:45 PM
olddude 02 Feb 16 - 03:59 PM
olddude 02 Feb 16 - 04:00 PM
olddude 02 Feb 16 - 04:14 PM
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olddude 02 Feb 16 - 04:49 PM
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Subject: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 12:22 AM

Hillary feels the Bern tonight! An amazing result for Sanders who came from nowhere to tie, in nine months, the shoo-in establishment candidate.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 01:06 AM

I wouldn't have been happy with any of the Republican candidates, so I guess I shouldn't care. Still, Trump deserved to lose, and I'm glad he did. But Cruz may scare me more than Trump does. I thought Rubio might be OK - until I heard his speech tonight.
Rubio's scary, too.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 01:10 AM

On the Republican side, they're all scary/ridiculous at the same time.
On the Democratic side, Clinton is scary/boring. Very dangerous combination. Sanders looks better all the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 03:58 AM

Agreed with Joe for once. For a while I was hoping Trump would get the Repuglitard nomination on the grounds that he is too insane to be electable as POTUS, but the views of some Merkin voters are looking SO disgusting that he might indeed have had a shot at the presidency, and in consequence Cruz I now see as the lesser of two weevils. Pun intended.   I'm not terrified by Clinton and I do think she may be more sellable, but Sanders does indeed look better all the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: gnu
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 07:21 AM

Telegraph

"In at least six precincts across Iowa Monday, Democratic caucus votes ended in a tie, forcing a coin toss to decide which candidate would win a county delegate.

Mrs. Clinton won all of these - securing her an incredibly narrow lead.

It seems quite ironic that the more socialist candidate lost because of cold hard cash."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/hillary-clinton/12135394/iowa-caucus-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-coin-toss.html?3434&sf20155081=1


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 07:38 AM

Hillary won. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: GUEST,#
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 09:46 AM

The Iowa caucus brings to mind Will Rogers' remark: 'I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.'

Suppose that Cruz and Clinton become the choices from the Reps and Dems. Both at present have some difficulties: Cruz with whether or not he is entitled to be president and Clinton with the FBI investigation of her emails. Either becomes president and then it's determined that neither can assume the seat in the Oval Office because it's decided after a constitutional challenge that Cruz didn't qualify based on his citizenship when he was born or Clinton facing indictment for breaking the 'official secrets act' (or whatever it's called in the US) regarding her emails.

Gives new meaning to "May you live in interesting times."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 12:24 PM

I think the most scary thing for the soft left and centre is the fact that Mr Sanders admits to being a watery socialist.
If he doesn't get the nomination, it will be a straight fight between Hillary the Hawk and Cruz the Crusader......take your pick :0)

Seriously, as # says, there are question marks over both of them, and their platform does not contain any systemic change...both are of the old guard.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 12:24 PM

I think the most scary thing for the soft left and centre is the fact that Mr Sanders admits to being a watery socialist.
If he doesn't get the nomination, it will be a straight fight between Hillary the Hawk and Cruz the Crusader......take your pick :0)

Seriously, as # says, there are question marks over both of them, and their platform does not contain any systemic change...both are of the old guard.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 12:34 PM

I won't be voting for any of them. It wouldn't be British, dammit!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 12:50 PM

The Iowa caucuses don't decide much, and have seldom been an indicator of anything much...other than the first 'indication' of how things are going. In this case, the two presumptive leaders got their noses bruised.
There is nothing worth noting that should put a twist in anyone's knickers, other than it was refreshing to see both Trump and Hillary eat some humble pie!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Amos
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 12:58 PM

It bodes well for Mister Sanders that he came from so far behind to end in a dead-heat and a coin-toss with the royalty favorite.

If he can sustain that momentum, Ms. Clinton may be facing a repeat of her gracious surrender to Barack Obama in the DNC of 2008. That would be a media event indeed.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 01:08 PM

The unsettling thing for me, was the good showing from Mr Rubio, who reminds me of a young Tony Blair.......I would not wish that on anyone.

Clinton v Rubio.....a match made in HELL.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 02:41 PM

Sorry folks but hillary will win the states that have the big populations and will be the candidate


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 02:43 PM

Rubio will do the same and will be the candidate for the Republicans.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 02:53 PM

It must be a great gift to be able to foretell the future, olddude.

First person ever. Do we bow?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Charmion
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 02:58 PM

As a Canadian, I'm a little nervous at the idea of any of them taking power on the other side of our oh-so-porous border.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 03:25 PM

Grovel guest will do Lol
I am right just wait


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 03:45 PM

Akenaton: "Clinton v Rubio.....a match made in HELL"

Because Rubio is Bush's protege, that amounts to a Clinton vs Bush election...which means that history teaches us that man never learns from history!

Hillary's 'nomination' will only depend on her showing, as I've said before' as to whether or not Obama decides to let her be indicted...that's why the delay (deal-lay), in the further releasing of more of the E-mails.

As far as 'ideologies', what is going on has NOTHING to do with them...follow the money trail, because whomever is financing who, is your biggest clue, and the recipients of that financing WILL be obligated to 'fulfill' their 'obligations'. That's the way it has always been...including Obama or Reagan.

..and as a side note, olddude, I'm sorry that your friendship OR admiration for Hillary causes you to look the other way, and ignore her criminal dealings. If it weren't for the deal making, and the power of intimidation of her widespread corruptions, and who else she could 'take-down' with it, she'd already be in jail!

to be FAIR, let the chips fall where they may, SHOCK the American people, and let the information come out.....but don't hold your breath.....the corruption is throughout our body politic!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 03:59 PM

She did nothing wrong, they were classified after the fact. By the way Colin Powell used a private email account also, many did. But you cannot be in politics that long without enemies throwing phantom darts from nowhere


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 04:00 PM

She will be the next president, just watch


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 04:14 PM

I will get you an autograph picture from the inaugural ball


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: GUEST,#
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 04:31 PM

"I will get you an autograph picture from the inaugural ball"

One of Bill's?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 04:49 PM

Both lol


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 05:24 PM

I must say Olddude you have a great personality, you must be a lovely guy to have as a friend.......


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 05:29 PM

olddude, You are adhering to the Clinton line. If you're a Clinton supporter, then you all repeat her talking points...given that, what does that have to do with the TRUTH???....."I guess it all depends what the meaning of 'is' is", huh?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 06:59 PM

Thanks ake, you to


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 07:05 PM

Gfs, I am completely bias when it comes to the Clintons. I support my friends and if you were running I would support you also. I don't pay much attention to the made up rumors about anyone including the other side when it comes to political stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 07:09 PM

olddude: " I don't pay much attention to the made up rumors about anyone including the other side when it comes to political stuff."

Is the FBI the 'other side'??

...Oh, and BTW, I love you too!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 07:09 PM

But I wouldn't vote for ya Gfs but would support ya :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 07:21 PM

The fbi looks at everything and will find nothing because nothing was done wrong


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 08:10 PM

On to New Hampshire!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 08:59 PM

Watch this space: http://fivethirtyeight.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiveThirtyEight

It drives me crazy that so many (including right here) are using slogans and rumors to make their decisions.

There are 49 states left to be counted, and Iowa has NEVER been a good indicator of the country in general.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 09:14 PM

Here's an article about the interview of Colin Powell, in which he says he used a private email server while the was Secretary of State:This seems to make it clear that the email issue is just one more "scandal" made up by Republicans who have been attacking Hillary Clinton relentlessly since 1992.

To a great extent, all of the negative aspects of Hillary's image have been manufactured by the Republicans. When I listen directly to what she says and watch directly what she does, she looks to me like a reasonable, capable, moderately progressive person who exactly suits what I'm looking for in a President.

Of course, Barack Obama is like that, too - and I still believe he has done an admirable job as President.

But then, I like Bernie Sanders more and more as time goes by.

Can't say I like any of the Republicans this year. I had some respect for Romney and McCain and Dole and George H.W. Bush, but I can't find anything good to say about the current litter of Republican candidates.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 09:49 PM

I do like bernie Joe, he is a kind soul I really believe. I just don't think he can win. Hillary can


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 10:14 PM

That's called "settling". Good thing people don't pick spouses like that. "Oh, I really like that person, but I don't think they'd ever be interested in me, so I'll settle for that other one."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Neil D
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 01:13 AM

No Jeri, that's called pragmatism, one side of the age old dilemma of primary politics, whether to vote for the candidate whose place in the political spectrum most resembles your own or the one who gives your party the best chance in the national election, the other side being idealism.
Now personally I love Bernie. He has been my favorite senator for a long time and will continue in that regard. His place in the political spectrum does most closely resemble my own. That being said, I fear he can't win in September, mostly because of the dreaded "S" word. Remember, the Republicans haven't even started going after him yet because they have never expected to run against him and probably still don't.
Now take a longer view. What if by some odd twist of circumstance Bernie were to overcome the Clinton machine AND the Citizens United fueled Republican bulldozer to become President. Will he really be able to make headway on any of his core programs, true universal healthcare and free college education to name a couple of my faves. Not without large majorities in both houses, large enough to overcome both Republicans and Red State Dems.
I recall the years of the last Clinton administration as relatively good ones economically, regardless of how you feel about them personally. And that is also called pragmatism.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 02:30 AM

I too support Bernie Sanders- mainly because he espouses ideas and plans that, if enacted, I think would put the US on a new and exciting track.

The problem is in the word "enacted". Bernie has been speaking on the subject for literally years and yet, I can't see where there have been any inroads in the policies and the politics of our country. If he were the President I don't see that he would be able to set in motion the plans that he has. President Obama has been stymied repeatedly in his whole presidency - except for this final year- bless his heart!- and I'm afraid that a President Sanders would face that same brick wall.

On the other hand, I like Hillary Clinton's views and plans too. I feel that as President she would have an excellent chance of getting many of them viable and effective. She is strong, clear thinking and articulate.

As for those people who love to blat on and on about her honesty and her supposed crooked deals and even the murders they prefer to think she has committed- as a certain JoHn would say,

Even in their own lives I wonder if they could make the case that they have never exaggerated, "misremembered", or not told the whole truth. The woman is bright. She is experienced. She already knows a great many world leaders and other people who can get things done. AND the woman is human.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 08:05 AM

When I said I like bernie, yes but not over my hillary no way jeri. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 08:12 AM

As far as I know, not even the Republicans claim that Hillary ever *sent* any classified material on her server, only that classified emails were *on* her server.

So somebody *else* must have sent whatever emails they're talking about, and those somebodies should be even more culpable.

They have never been named, BTW.

Any "classified material" so far unearthed was *unclassified* at the time she received it. Basically, Clinton is being held responsible for decisions made in the future by other people.

One retroactively "secret" document was a published N.Y. Times article.

As Sec'y of State, Clinton had easy access to *other* channels for the sending and receiving of sensitive documents. She didn't have to use that personal server for classified material, and where's the evidence that she did?

So far, nowhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 08:14 AM

They are afraid of her lighter because she would beat them


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 09:33 AM

But the President/Government always gets elected :0)

Saw Mr Sanders on TV this morning...I feel sorry for the guy.
How do you sell even watery socialism to the Americans?

I think maybe Mr Cruz would be best, get back to the values that made America great, the pioneer spirit, raise the drawbridge, fortress America.......the left will sell their souls as usual when they discover the public don't want organisation, they want the lottery, Big Brother and the X factor.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 10:05 AM

Cruz and his brain will be history once again in a few months. Rubio is the Republican golden boy and the one to watch. Trump has screw-ed up and he will serve as the comedy facet of Republican blatherings in the coming campaign. My money's on Rubio getting the Republican nomination because he more projects the image they want to get back. But still another one who will prove the adage about putting lipstick on pigs. It's not that he's any less off-the-wall, but he looks better on camera and comes off well with the audience. The 'evangelical faction' in the Republican party will get its agenda curtailed and they'll do it to themselves. Poetic justice at its finest. Most Republicans in the faction are talking directly with God. But most Americans aren't.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 10:28 AM

Joe said, in part:

To a great extent, all of the negative aspects of Hillary's image have been manufactured by the Republicans.

Which is it you believe, Joe, "all" or "to a great extent"?

If you mean "all", I THINK that's true.

If it's "to a great extent", that's a hedge, leaving possible
true negative aspects. I doubt that.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 10:40 AM

Well, Dave, she can be glib.

But wait, she's a politician...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 11:40 AM

In the interests of accuracy: Part of my last post went awry. I said "... a certain JoHn would say,blar, blar, blar..."

And the final paragraph was not italicised.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 11:42 AM

Don't want to upset my pal OD, but I think she's a monster.....cant get out of my mind her laughing at the brutal murder of Gaddafi.
She has no statesmanship and all her misdemeanours will come back to haunt her.
IRAQ, LIBYA, BENGHAZI.....and so much more.

The little change that has been garnered by President Obama will be lost, Mrs Clinton appears to be a professional corporatist.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 12:21 PM

People are almost as goddamn tired of hearing about Benghazi as they are hearing about those goddamn e-mails, Ake.

Aside from you, that is - for some reason you persist in believing 100% in the Republican horseshit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 12:40 PM

We don't get any "Republican horseshit" over here Greg, I study politics and get my news from various serious channels on the web.
I am not a supporter of the Republicans.

I have been watching Mrs Clinton for years, Pres. Obama made a serious mistake in appointing her to his administration, IMO her primary purpose was to prepare the ground for "Team Clinton's" presidential campaign.

Dan has been saying for years that she wont run, but I knew she would.
Libya turned out to be an horrific mistake as far as the Obama Presidency was concerned, but it was orchestrated by Mrs Clinton to raise her profile ....I have several of her speeches at the time.
The whole project backfired big style but the Teflon Mrs Clinton took none of the shit which ensued.....The buck stops with the Commander in Chief.
Mr Obama no doubt was a GOOD man, but he was weak when it mattered most and now you are left with the choice of an unelectable centre leftie, or a Hawkish corporatist.......take your pick!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Iowa Caucuses
From: olddude
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 02:21 PM

The absolute beauty of freedom is the ability to disagree on candidates for elected office. I never take offense when another friend sees things differently. It is always a good thing to have choices


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